From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #79 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 31 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 079 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc so you are better than joni? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Big Yellow Crows [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Message Board NJC [Mags N Brei ] names/heat njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! [CoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! ["Maggie McNally" ] so you are better than Joni...... Lucy's dog...NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: harvey (njc) [colin ] Re: JIM NABORS...Lucy's rant about 50's and 60's tv in the UK...... NJC [colin ] Re: names/heat njc [colin ] Re: Comfort Food (NJC) [colin ] Chicago (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Solving the popups problem - NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JIM NABORS...Lucy's rant about 50's and 60's tv in the UK...... NJC [] Re: E Mail Interception (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Big Yellow Crows/Vanessa Carlton - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] A line that bugs me a little ["Mark Tatum" ] Comfort food - carbs vs protein NJC ["Tamsin Lucas" ] Re: Accounting career: HELP! njc ["kasey simpson" ] Re: njc so you are better than joni? [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Mandela vs Bush NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: njc so you are better than joni? [colin ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [Scott Price ] Re: njc so you are better than joni? ["kasey simpson" ] LAST WORD ON JIM NABORS. maybe? hopefully?.. still NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: My Pet is named _______ NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni in Record Collector ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: LAST WORD ON JIM NABORS. maybe? hopefully?.. still NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] NJC The shoe bomber [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: food cravings NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Comfort Food (NJC) [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: A line that bugs me a little ["Mark Tatum" ] Re: Big Yellow Crows [Randy Remote ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [Mags N Brei ] former CIA analyst's opinion NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Comfort food NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:54:56 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc so you are better than joni? In a message dated 1/31/03 7:52:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Ok, everyone, reveal your pets' names, and why. Lets see how much more > > creative anyone was than Coco > I have a black Persian male feline named Mr. Peepers rosie in nj Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:08:52 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Crows In a message dated 1/30/2003 8:55:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > Shoooo, bop bop bop bop, But was it the version with the Shoo Bops (Vanessa) or without? Bob NP: Buddy Guy, "Please Don't Drive Me Away" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 05:35:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: JMDL Message Board NJC Rosie confessed: <<>>> Hey isnt it wonderful Rose that you finally found the Bruce Cockburn message board... .I knew you would love him. ;-P mischievous magsie ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:23:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: names/heat njc i've never had a dog long enough to think of a name. however, i long ago decided that when i have a dog i will call it: 1- julia if it's female 2- jimmy mac, if male. i will play the piano (i will have a piano too) and sing the chorus of jimmy mac when are you coming back, and jimmy mac will recognize its tune and bark along. jack is another favorite for my future dog. breeds i'm considering (in order): labrador, german shepherd, spaniel, pointer, beagle, golden retriever. i will have my first dog when i am 48. i will have my first piano a little sooner, maybe when i'm 45. which breed is the most intelligent? they say german shepherds. is that true? by the way, catherine, i do the same with names. i can't call a person her/his name just like that. i need to change it beyond recognition. it's not that i'm friendly or playful. it's more of a pathological thing with me. it's also because i have a lot of repressed creativity and i need an outlet. maybe i've been ranting because it's 39 celsius (102F) and the heat and humidity index is 52 (126F). no power, no air conditioning. i wonder if i'll die today and never reach 48, thus no dog, either julia or jimmy mac/jack. no piano either. wallyK, suggestions on how to deal with this temperature will be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:30:07 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! Hi Gang: On August 6, 2003, Joni will appear at the Hollywood Bowl in Wayne Shorter's "Life and Music" concert. The concert begins at 8:00 PM. With Joni, Herbie Hancock is also billed as a special guest. The release says, "The consummate jazz saxophonist and visionary celebrates his varied career with some of his closest friends in this specially programmed concert." Right now, the Bowl is filling subscriber seats for series sales (This is in series JZ2). Others in this series of four concerts are Etta James (July 9), Joao Gilberto (July 23), and Medeski, Martin, and Wood (August 20). I am not sure when non-subscriber seats will go on sale, but you can try this link: http://www.hollywoodbowl.com No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:34:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! In a message dated 1/31/2003 9:30:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, CoyoteRick writes: > On August 6, 2003, Joni will appear at the Hollywood Bowl in Wayne Shorter's > "Life and Music" concert. The concert begins at 8:00 PM. > With Joni, Herbie > Hancock is also billed as a special guest. That sounds awesome! Maybe it will whet her appetite for singing with a small combo and spark a tour much like the orchestrated 'Stormy Weather' show did for her last one. Bob NP: Junior Wells/Buddy Guy, "High Heel Sneakers" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:48:29 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! Wow...some lucky person/people can go to this, then hop on a plane and still make it to NEJonifest in time. A full and complete report will be required dinner entertainment. Maggie > -----Original Message----- > From: CoyoteRick@aol.com [mailto:CoyoteRick@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:30 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! > > > Hi Gang: > > On August 6, 2003, Joni will appear at the Hollywood Bowl in > Wayne Shorter's > "Life and Music" concert. The concert begins at 8:00 PM. > With Joni, Herbie > Hancock is also billed as a special guest. The release says, > "The consummate > jazz saxophonist and visionary celebrates his varied career > with some of his > closest friends in this specially programmed concert." Right > now, the Bowl > is filling subscriber seats for series sales (This is in > series JZ2). Others > in this series of four concerts are Etta James (July 9), Joao > Gilberto (July > 23), and Medeski, Martin, and Wood (August 20). I am not sure when > non-subscriber seats will go on sale, but you can try this link: > > HREF="http://www.hollywoodbowl.com">http://www.hollywoodbowl.com > > > No regrets, > > Coyote Rick > Casa Alegre > Hollywood, California > > "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:53:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: JMDL Message Board Kevin - I checked out the message board - Netscape 4.79 couldn't load the page; in Explorer, though it came right up. And of course, the pop-up ads drove me nuts - are those eliminated with the $45? Or will we all need software? I'm all for a trial run. Once the pop up ads are gone, that is. Jenny - --- dean2302@fsmail.net wrote: > Hello everyone. I've been reading quite a few posts > recently regarding problems with posts i.e. NJC not > being put in > the headers etc. and wondered again about the > possibility of a JMDL message board to resolve the > problems. I did a > little searching and found that one already exists > here: > > http://pub97.ezboard.com/bjmdlmessageboard > > > > What I see as the main features: > > Upside > > 1) No full email boxes > 2) No risk of viruses or spam > 3) Messages can be sent and read in real time (a > real boon for those on digest or those in a non-US > time-zone). > 4) Messages can be posted on an Joni-Only or Non > Joni board with few mistakes. The administrator can > also easily > transfer messages quickly. The frustration of > Joni-Onlyites is virtually eliminated. No having to > remember to type in > NJC. > 5) Message boards allow graphics, private messages, > emails, profiles, moderator controls and other > features. > 6) Messages can be edited once posted. This would > help avoid certain things being sent and then > regretted. Also it > helps the presentation of messages. > 7) Subjects can be categorised more easily. i.e. > important administrator messages can be highlighted > etc. > 8) Links to other messages can be utilised with > urls, making cross reference easy. > 9) The subscriber can alter the screens as he/she > wishes to view individual messages or threads or > only new > messages. > 10)Quicker and easier for people to use at work (and > maybe no subpoena's) > 11) Viewers can be 'membership' to post or 'guests' > just to view. > 12) Search functions > > > > Downside > > 1) The cost, although this is quite nominal. Ezboard > for instance is $45.00 every six months after the > initial six > month period, easily found with the subscribers we > have. > 2) Ads. Eliminated with payment of the $45.00. > 3) Pop-ups. Easily controlled with a good pop-up > stopper. > > I know that some of the features are already covered > on the smoe.org site but I think that the extra > flexibility of > Ezboard could be beneficial to all. > > One of the problems particular to UK listers is that > because most of the posters are from the U.S. if you > only have > time to read the digest once a day the discussions > have normally run their course or moved on to > another topic by > the time you get to them. At least on the Message > Board you can post in real time as it were, and you > feel as if you > are actually part of the discussion. I know that > regular posters from the U.K. like Colin, Azeem etc. > cope but I > notice that Colin tends to post a group of messages > in response to previous subjects. > > I have spoken to Les about this and he has given us > the green light to try out the message board on a > trial basis > running concurrently with the mailing list. I've > posted a few messages in the General Discussions > forum to get us > started. Obviously the board will only work if > people use it so please give it a try, have a look > around and post a few > messages. Ezboard has lots of interesting features > and I am sure we can utilise them to full effect. > Dedicated lurkers > who do not want to post can view the messages as > guests. > > Incidentally, just a personal thought. When you > register it would be nice if you used your real name > (I know most of > you already do). This will give it a real sense of > community and motivate poster integrity. As nice as > it is to talk to > Blazing Apostle or Spanky the Monkey or pyramus :) > it's nicer to converse with real people. :) > > Cheers! > > ~Kevin > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for > just #6.99 a month for > your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then > it's just #13.99 a month > after that. > > For more information visit > http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on > 0800 970 8890 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:02:54 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: so you are better than Joni...... Lucy's dog...NJC From the war in Iraq, to bug chasers, Nature versus nurture, free will or determinism to wonderful personal revelations about feelings about Joni's music, musings on food and now DOG NAMES.... Ah COCO for a Jack Russel...... obviously its to do with either Madame Chanel or maybe COCO the Clown or maybe the dog is called COCOLOCKALEEKIECUCURACCAZING, but Joni has a previuosly undocumented stammer and can only get the first syllable out and so the dog is known as COCO out of a misguided politeness... Who k nows what creative rage has been prompted by this ...... she is a very moody and interpretive painter (very Van Gogh........ do explain how this name is pronounced world wide... are we VAN GO... Van GOCH, VAN GOFF or what?... Van What is not the answer ;-)) and VAn G was moved by uncertain rage.......... MY DOG is called Dan...His real name is something complicated and very Pedigree but I got him from the Rescue society for Labradors who showed me his registration at the Kennel Club but covered over his name....and his usual name was SAM when he arrived here... 9 months old and the result of a divorce!!! Now this presented problems as my son is called SAM. We could have gone for the "two for the price of one call back" but I felt this was unfair on my son so we wanted a name that sounded like SAM but was not... RESULT=DAN.... HOWEVER...... I call the dog and my son asks "are you calling me?" and I call Sam and the dog comes......SO he gets referred to as D the D, or DEEFER as in D for Dog....He will also answer to "anyone for a coffee?" "who has not put the phone back on the hook" and also "Breakfast" or "lunch" or "Dinner". I have the feeling his own name for himself may be the sound that is made by slicing through a big cabbage as I only have to crunch through one with a large French cooks knife and he comes running...... I should be happy to receive the correct way of spelling this noise so that I can call it out......I have managed SSSSCCCCHHHHHCRRREEEEAAACCHHHHH. but it does not sound right when said.......answers on a post card... Oh dear I really do need to get myself out more!!! Good day to you all from me, who is waiting for the break maker to deliver its first loaf, and we got the yeast wrong!!!! I will let you know later....... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:09:34 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) Colin wrote: Crabs are really quite bad for one in the disease it can cause(diabetes, heart dsiease etc and insulin resistance) > And then everyone wonders why there's an obesity problem. :-) Me: One more reason to be careful when choosing a sex partner :)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:24:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: harvey (njc) definately AGE And Harvey islikehis father, Brad-very horny.(and Harvey has never net his dad but they are so alike in temper. Nature? Nutrture? Ron Greer wrote: >hi > > > >>>colin wrote > >>>>My youngest Harvey has discovered his maleness. Napoli is in >season and Hravey is now cocking his leg all over at 8mths of gae. > > >now i can normally follow your typing colin, but this ones got me stumped!! > >should gae read gay or age ???? :-) > >ron >who believe it or not once had a dog called harvey who was without a doubt >the horniest dog ever invented - excluding Wally :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:25:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: JIM NABORS...Lucy's rant about 50's and 60's tv in the UK...... NJC what is brown and steams under a piano stool? Beethovens last movement. Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Lucy Hone wrote: > > >>Somehow, I feel we may have NOT lost out by not >>knowing Jim Nabors..... >>GOMER PYLE..... what a name!!! >> >> > >You're correct. You missed nothing. > >(Stupid jokes from the times: What's brown and lies on >the ground? Gomer's pile. What's big and white and >found in the ocean? Moby's Dick. and so on.) > > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:28:06 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Mandela vs Bush NJC > but i >really dont think the situation can be likened to the holocaust. > > > he sin't likening it to the ww2 holocaust. he is talking about the holocaust about to be unleashed. i.r ww3 when we will all be fucked. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:31:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: names/heat njc Wally Kairuz wrote: >breeds i'm considering (in order): labrador, german shepherd, spaniel, >pointer, beagle, golden retriever. > > all of those dogs are a 'hanful' in the trainign/temperemant department. Great as adults(3yrs) but hell till then. As regards the Spaniel, well which sort< Tibetan? Water? Welsh?Ebglish?Clumber?Cavalier? King Charles? Cocker? American Coccker?and there are more..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:38:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) kasey simpson wrote: > Colin wrote: > Crabs are really quite > bad for one in the disease it can cause(diabetes, heart dsiease etc and > insulin resistance) > > > And then everyone wonders why there's an obesity problem. :-) > Me: > One more reason to be careful when choosing a sex partner :) ha ha! yes I missed that one! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:59:17 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Chicago (NJC) Vince wrote: >I leave shortly for Chicago A little early to be lining up for that first White Sox game Vince.... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:26:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Solving the popups problem - NJC The best popup stopper I've found so far is "Pop-Up Stopper" (go figure) from Panicware, Inc. I downloaded and installed their free version a few months ago, and it works very well. So well, in fact, that if you want to open another browser session - or see popups you're used to seeing and want to see - you have to hold down the Ctrl key as you open the session. I quickly got used to doing that, though. The free version can be found here: http://www.panicware.com/product_psfree.html Or email me privately and I'll be happy to send you a copy. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:29:54 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: JIM NABORS...Lucy's rant about 50's and 60's tv in the UK...... NJC >Mostly us Brits were brought up on a diet of "terribleh clipt" voices >saying >things like "Oh I say, shall we take our gins on the terrace darling" and >the reply would be something like "Oh topping idea".... But I love this kind of talk! >Somehow, I feel we may have NOT lost out by not knowing Jim Nabors..... >GOMER PYLE..... what a name!!! You forgot to mention Gomer's cousin, GOOBER PYLE. Bree >It is a cold bright day here in England (Oh shades of Garrison Keillor) >dogs >to walk and bacon sandwich is calling!!! > >Lucy _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:33:25 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: E Mail Interception (NJC) Sarah and Ron, thanks for answering my question. Ron wrote: > we had a trial run a while ago with a snooping program called > languard. > > kept details of all internet access, sites visited, pages (with > content) viewed, items downloaded, time statistics etc. the > supervisor can view exactly what youre seeing. That information ought to slow down the traffic around here ... ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:45:44 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Crows/Vanessa Carlton - NJC The kinder, gentler Bob writes: << But was it the version with the Shoo Bops (Vanessa) or without? >> Today has been one long senior moment, although I was quite lucid yesterday . . . I saw a promo yesterday for a show on NBC, I think. The show -- a drama -- has something to do with life in the '70s in the US, but I have forgotten the name of it. (American something, I think.) Anyway, they said that Vanessa Carlton is going to play Dusty Springfield on its next episode. Now if I could just find my teeth! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:51:39 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: A line that bugs me a little Bob started an interesting thread about the line in DTY that bugged him a bit, and he received some really good responses. I also have a Joni line that bothers me a little, and I wonder what your thoughts will be. In Little Green, there are these lines where the mother tells the father about the child and he responds with a poem: He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer These are the lyrics as they appear on JM.com. and on JMDL. What does line four mean to you? Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:53:13 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: best songs to impress non-Joni fans I've tried so hard to convert my ex-boyfriends into Joni fans to no avail. (perhaps that is why they are ex's now :) There was one boyfriend who was really impressed with "The Jungle Line", but no other song. It almost seems like there is an unspoken rule between some men that one is not supposed to like Joni, even if one knows nothing of her. After hearing me being teased so often about liking Joni, my own son has caught on and is in on the act. He used to really like "Rainy Night House" and "Electricity" - - especially the line 'the technical manual's busy' - when he was a little tyke. None of my friends seem to like her either. Before I found this list, I used to think maybe I was a freak, and the only person in Wisconsin, or the world for that matter, who was in awe of Joni Mitchell. Thank God for this community! I successfully converted my mom by playing the "Blue" cd for her on a road trip recently. She is the same age as Joni, yet never has heard of her before. Mia - who may still be a freak, but not for the liking of Joni ;) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:12:09 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Crows/Vanessa Carlton - NJC The show is called "American Dreams" and the episode with Vanessa Carlton airs on February 9. Here's the info from the NBC site: Heartache: Vanessa Carlton guest stars as Dusty Springfield (and sings Springfield's 1964 hit "Wishin' and Hopin'") on a Valentine's Day-themed episode that's short on romance. There's a dance at East Catholic, but Luke (Jamie Elman), true to form, is ambivalent about attending. And Roxanne doesn't have a date. Neither does J.J., because Beth won't return his calls. Meanwhile, Patty is planning her first boy-girl party, but Helen sees to it that opportunies for romance will be few and far between. And in another matter of the heart, Jack is having chest pains. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little "He sends you a poem and she's lost to you" My translation: The father sends the daughter a poem and yet the daughter is lost to the father. The first "You" is a reference to the daughter and the second "You" is a reference to the father. Joni is speaking to both parties in the same line, which makes a bit confusing. - -Andrew Mark Tatum wrote:Bob started an interesting thread about the line in DTY that bugged him a bit, and he received some really good responses. I also have a Joni line that bothers me a little, and I wonder what your thoughts will be. In Little Green, there are these lines where the mother tells the father about the child and he responds with a poem: He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer These are the lyrics as they appear on JM.com. and on JMDL. What does line four mean to you? Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:18:09 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Comfort food - carbs vs protein NJC After Colin & Sarah's talk about low carb diets I wondered if anyone has tried doing this being a vegetarian? I tried it once for 2 days but much as I enjoyed eating a whole packet of cheese it didn't really seem sustainable. Shame really cause I think I am a huge carb addict, I work long hours and can pin point that mid afternoon slide of blood sugar which leaves me ready to beat people up for a bowl of pasta. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to lose weight as a vegetarian? I was always very slim until I stopped smoking 2 years ago but now feel I'm a few pounds overweight since I am only 5'1". I have tried cutting down on sweet stuff but the long hours are a killer when they leave you craving a quick fix and veg just doesn't seem to do it!! _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:24:23 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc so you are better than joni? > Ok, everyone, reveal your pets' names, and why. Lets see how much > more creative anyone was than Coco Bob Muller, I know this is your very favorite subject! ; ) Cats, from the beginning: "PW" - gray tabby - had one white paw (the letters were reversed) "Euphrates" - solid black - I was really into Seals & Crofts back in their "Hummingbird" days "BJ" - gray tabby - my roommate brought home a dog the very same day, who she named "Bear," hence "BJ & the Bear" (anyone remember that show?) "Drummer" - gray tabby - he would sit on his hind legs and "drum" with his front paws "Rebel" - solid gray - I couldn't name him "Yank" since he wasn't blue "Chloe" - tortoise tabby - it was the only name she seemed to like "Olive" - gray tabby (is there a trend here?) - her eyes were that shade of green Current cats: "Fred" and "Ethyl" - Mertz (although they are brother and sister cats) "Marbles" - Mary and I stopped at an antique shop in Plymouth NC one day to see if they had any glass marbles for sale. The shop had about three dozen cats, many of them calico. There was one who was a day shy of 6 weeks old, and she was SO CUTE! Turned out the shop didn't have any glass marbles, but since that's why we'd stopped, on the way home our new kitten was given that name. The only dog I ever loved: "Boozer" - probably a Rottweiler/German Shepherd mix - he was a stray puppy who walked into the open door of my apartment the day after xmas (I was living in Texas and it was warm), and I had no plans to keep him. I referred to him as "Bowser." He and I went visiting some friends of mine who are big drinkers. They had a box of chocolate- covered liqueurs on the coffee table, and the dog started nipping at the box. One of my friends said, "That dog's name isn't Bowser, it's BOOZER!" It stuck. And you know there may be more ... Lori, who thinks Coco for Chanel is just fine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:26:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little Mark Tatum wrote: <<>> He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer These are the lyrics as they appear on JM.com. and on JMDL. What does line four mean to you? Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother? some of my thoughts: One of my favourite songs... here's one read on this ...imho I think 'he' has made it clear that 'she' , the baby's mother, has to deal with things on her own with the pregnancy/baby. .. the impression I get is that he doesnt want anything to do with the situation... sends her a poem telling her so. the mother then 'explains' to her little green, the baby, that the reason why 'he' isnt around is that in fact he is a non-conformer..meaning that his leaving them is not so bad, he's just not someone who wants to be tied down in 'traditional" ways. sounds to me like she's trying to cover his ass perhaps, because she may still have feelings for him, on top of which, perhaps 'she' feels a need to protect little green from another truth 'him'. that's one interpretation. another might be that 'he' is an irresponsible sh** with no room in his life for babies so he takes off for warmer climes, leaving her to deal with the situation/pregnancy/baby all by herself. Mags You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:28:50 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: Accounting career: HELP! njc I have a business degree from Urbana U. I couldn't find good work either, now I'm a electronic tech. Still working, but it's slow. If I do hear of anything I'll let you know. Kasey Poverty sucks and I'm thinking about canning IT all together and going into accounting instead. There must be 15x more accounting jobs than IT jobs. Is there such a thing as an entry level accounting job. In the paper, they all smell like "data entry" which, of course, leads nowhere too. How can I make this freakin' business degree pay for my school loan? What say ye? Lama, desperateGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:32:31 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc so you are better than joni? I have a bear named Wally. I keep him in South America, since bears are so hard to domesticate. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:34:58 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Mandela vs Bush NJC Ron wrote: > i really dont think the situation can be likened to the holocaust. Mandela said "a" holocaust, not "the" Holocaust. From Merriam-Webster OnLine: Main Entry: ho7lo7caust Pronunciation: 'hO-l&-"kost, 'hd- also -"kdst or 'ho-l&-kost Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old French holocauste, from Late Latin holocaustum, from Greek holokauston, from neuter of holokaustos burnt whole, from hol- + kaustos burnt, from kaiein to burn -- more at CAUSTIC Date: 13th century 1 : a sacrifice consumed by fire 2 : a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire 3 a often capitalized : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II -- usually used with the b : a mass slaughter of people; especially : GENOCIDE Mandela's choice of noun is perfectly appropriate. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:43:10 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: njc so you are better than joni? you are such a tart..... Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >I have a bear named Wally. I keep him in South America, since bears are so hard to domesticate. > >--Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:49:42 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little At 10:51 AM 1/31/2003 -0600, Mark Tatum wrote: >He sends you a poem and she's lost to you > >Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother? I think so, Mark. If you substitute "me" for the two "yous" it would read: "He sends me a poem and she's (Little Green) lost to me." I think the lyrics reflect the difficult time Joni was facing...giving birth to her daughter, the father running off, and her decision to place the child up for adoption. She's lamenting the loss of Kelly. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:47:53 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: njc so you are better than joni? > Ok, everyone, reveal your pets' names, and why. Lets see how much more > > creative anyone was than Coco > I have a 15 year old west highland who was named Kathryn Dianne after Kathryn Hepbern, but my southern family quickly changed it to Katie Jo. We also have two male cats, Sydney Lee, and Jr. Sydney picked his own name, we had tried other names but wouldn't answer, then one day my partner said Sydney, and he came to her. Jr. was named because he looks just like Sid. We also had a 10 year old dalmatian named Sparky Allen, that was my partners dog and I haven't a clue as to why. When I was younger I had a dog named Hobart Shane. My oldest sister was expecting her first child and my mother and brother-in-law could not agree on a name. He wanted Dallas, she wanted Robert. My brother in law came over one day and said if it were a boy it would be Hobart Shane, and if a girl Hobartress Lavern, so when I got the dog, it was named Hobart Shane. One more note, my brother-in-law got a dog and named it Dallas, my nephew was named Dustin Robert. KaseyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:32:55 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: LAST WORD ON JIM NABORS. maybe? hopefully?.. still NJC Catherine.....You wrote....in response to my ranting about 50's and 60's telly.. > You're correct. You missed nothing. > > (Stupid jokes from the times: What's brown and lies on > the ground? Gomer's pile. What's big and white and > found in the ocean? Moby's Dick. and so on.) > > So I can see... so I can see.. I still like the joke "What is Brown and sticky"........" A Stick" What worries me is the fact I have been making anagrams out of GOMER PYLE... MEREL YGOP (MI6 agent and political activist and Polish double agent) PERLY EGMO (Great Jewish drama agent and well known impressario famous for the "17 talking chickens" and the (quickly banned) "Hey that is MY Donkey" blindfold guest show....) LEGO PYMER (film and TV Critic disliked by Perly Egmo following some very dry comments about the donkey show) OGLY PREME (a small English village population 302) LYPO MERGE (a wished for button on our computers to smooth those bulges!!) Oh dear! Oh dear! Oh dear!..... Oh the bread has worked but there is 3" in between the crust and the bread....... Very tasy though... interesting sculpture... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:05:39 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: My Pet is named _______ NJC In a message dated 1/31/2003 12:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > Bob Muller, I know this is your very favorite subject! ; ) Here I was having a nice quiet nap in Joni-only land and you wake me up to ask me about PET NAMES?! ;~) Um, I have a cat named Piper. But I call her by about a dozen other nicknames. Before that there was a Lilly, a Jackson (named for Jackson Browne), and a Kita. Plus we had a dog named Max. Now, back to my nap...zzzzzzzzzz Bob NP: John Hall, "Only Got Today" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:10:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little In a message dated 1/31/2003 12:26:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Good question, Mark...and it's funny, I'll have to go back and give it another listen, because I've always HEARD: "He sends you a poem and HE'S lost to you" Which I interpreted as meaning that when Joni told him (Brad McMath) about Kelly, he sent her (Joni) some piece of flaky poetry as a response, in effect telling her that he was not going to take any parental responsibility, and therefore HE was lost to HER (Joni), and also of course lost to Kelly as the father. Either way, and any of the interpretations I've read work just fine. Bob NP: John Hall, "Calcutta" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:11:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: My Pet is named _______ NJC > a Jackson (named for Jackson Browne) Let me guess ... if Jackson piddled somewhere other than the litter box, he was not to blame? ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:22:55 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Pet is named _______ NJC In a message dated 1/31/2003 1:11:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > Let me guess ... if Jackson piddled somewhere other than > the litter > box, he was not to blame? LOL!!! Jackson was one cool cat! He worked the whole neighborhood for food. When we had a Christmas get-together one year, all the neighbors referred to Jackson as "their cat" because they fed him! Sybil, 4 doors down, even said she had taught him to roll over to get his treats! My father-in-law used to call him "The Reverend Jackson", in reference to Jesse who is a Greenville SC native (and who was in town last week lobbying the legislature for a recognized holiday for MLK). And I don't recall him EVER piddling anywhere but outside. The cat, I mean, not the Rev. ;~) Bob NP: John Hall, "Litany" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:24:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni in Record Collector there is something called soundscan that tabulates sales via a barcode on the item...i'm guessing the period if for the (previous?) week as doesn't it change weekly? brenda probably knows the real details...brenda are you still with us i hope? >Is it the RATE at which they're selling (taken over what period), and do I understand correctly that sales only "count" if they're from major chains like Tower. What's up with that?< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:35:36 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: LAST WORD ON JIM NABORS. maybe? hopefully?.. still NJC In a message dated 1/31/2003 12:51:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, lulu.hone@virgin.net writes: > What worries me is the fact I have been making anagrams out of GOMER PYLE... > LOL Lucy! AND Marianne reminded me (and here is some Joni content). For the UK JMDLers who've never heard of Gomer Pyle, listen to Miles of Aisles. You'll hear is name mentioned on the CD. Happy Weekend Everybody! "Clones are people two" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:45:10 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: NJC The shoe bomber Jimmy wrote: The AOL main screen was flashing a photo of the shoe bomber (Richard Reid) all day today, since he was sentenced to life. My partner in crime (Ed) said it looked like Michael Paz on acid. LOL Mikey, it must be the hair. You're much cuter :~) Jimmy Ha, thanks Jimmy, coward me can confess now: I SAW IT TOO!!! I thought: "He looks like Michael's ugly brother!" In other words, people can look alike but one can be attractive, the other not, you know what I mean, grovel grovel... And Michael, if you're reading this and I've grovelled enough, could you tell me: how's Christina doing? We haven't heard anything from her for so long - have I missed something? Lots of love to all - off for the weekend now, Lieve. PS Lucy, how spooky: I am also experiencing my first dog sleepover this weekend!!! For my kids it's been the rule for years (a weekend cannot exist without sleepovers) but for my dog Barney it's a first. Another reason why I should rush out of this office now! ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:36:07 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: food cravings NJC My mother, when pregnant, apparently had a craving for cream horns and pilchards. That's right, cream and pilchards but with the pilchards inserted INTO the cream horns. I guess that explains a lot, some of you must be thinking, and I think I agree with you. mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:48:49 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Comfort Food (NJC) Coilin, interesting, I was vegetarian for 16 years and this cooincided with my getting heavy, and I wonder whether it contributed to it, because it meant a high carb, low protein diet. It doesn't have to, but it did in my case. So when I started my weight loss diet, I very reluctantly factored in fish and organic chicken breast, and it seemed to make all the difference, because it filled me up, but without carbs, with little fat, and with lots of protein, which helps muscle and speeds up the metabolism, which in turn helps you lose more weight. I can't understand where the low fat/high carb thing ever came from. When I was a teenager in the 70, diets were always low carb - no potatoes, no pasta, little bread, no sugar etc - then suddenly in the early 80s, the high carb thing took off, with Weightwatchers and so on, and I couldn't understand it. Anyway, it's on its way out now, but it's left a lot of people overweight and addicted. Look at a lot of so-called diet food in supermarkets, and it's often low fat and very high carb. Sarah At 11:49 AM +0000 01/31/2003, colin wrote: >The good thing about low carb is that after a few days the craving >goes, your appetitte decrease and you begin to felel really good. >Okay, you can feel awful for 1 week maybe 2 but if you persevere it >will pass and then wow, you really feel good. > >is topped being veggy tho as it wa simpossible to do this otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:01:32 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little In response to my post, it seems others (Andrew, Mags, Scott, and Bob M.)also heard "he's" instead of "she's" and/or interpreted the line to indicate that the poem signaled the loss of the father to the child and mother. But accepting the printed lyrics as correct, I am wondering if they may indicate that receipt of the poem, instead of some indication of the father's willingness to take responsibility, may have also brought the mother to realize that she would not be able to raise her daughter alone. Thus, "she's lost to [the mother]." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:08:38 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little I have missed somehting major. I thought Chuck Mitchell was the father? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/31/2003 12:26:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > > > >>He sends you a poem and she's lost to you >> >> > >Good question, Mark...and it's funny, I'll have to go back and give it another listen, because I've always HEARD: > >"He sends you a poem and HE'S lost to you" > >Which I interpreted as meaning that when Joni told him (Brad McMath) about Kelly, he sent her (Joni) some piece of flaky poetry as a response, in effect telling her that he was not going to take any parental responsibility, and therefore HE was lost to HER (Joni), and also of course lost to Kelly as the father. > >Either way, and any of the interpretations I've read work just fine. > >Bob > >NP: John Hall, "Calcutta" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:10:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Big Yellow Crows Yes, it had a shitload of shoo-bops. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/30/2003 8:55:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > > > Shoooo, bop bop bop bop, > > But was it the version with the Shoo Bops (Vanessa) or without? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:18:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little Mark Tatum wrote: In response to my post, it seems others (Andrew, Mags, Scott, and Bob M.)also heard "he's" instead of "she's" and/or interpreted the line to indicate that the poem signaled the loss of the father to the child and mother. But accepting the printed lyrics as correct, I am wondering if they may indicate that receipt of the poem, instead of some indication of the father's willingness to take responsibility, may have also brought the mother to realize that she would not be able to raise her daughter alone. Thus, "she's lost to [the mother]." Mark, I still think that his poem , the proverbial kiss of death...see ya later alligator message to her (the mother/Joni) indicates that he's "gone" to California (or wherever) ... "split city" and the baby / little green is lost to her/the mother/Joni.(is now her problem, not his) .. meaning she is left with the responsibility/decision making process from there on in. As Scott said, it's a twist of you/she as in both are "me" or the woman who has little green. gawd ... hesaidshesaidyousaidweallsaid. Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:11:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: former CIA analyst's opinion NJC Central Intelligence Agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war gives his opinion on Bush's State of the Union address & poses another motivation for the USA wanting to attack Iraq: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31PELL.html?pagewanted=1 ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:26:10 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Comfort food NJC Colin, I've been reading about the chaos in England. Why does this happen when there's snow over there? Nothing changes when it snows here, and we have very heavy snow six months of the year. I wonder if it's because England's snow is mushier because it doesn't get so cold, and when it thaws and then freezes again, which it must do all the time as you're hovering around zero, it gets very slippery? Here the temperatures are so low it never gets a chance to thaw, so the snow tends not to be slippery - except today is actually zero, and people are out celebrating in shorts. :-) Bizzy Lizzy with her magic daisy was also my favourite, and Andy Pandy and Teddy (I fancied Andy Pandy -- how can that be? but I remember the feeling very well), and I also loved Bill and Ben. Do you remember the one with the low voice, I think Ben, was always muttering something, but you couldn't understand what it was? Well, during the war in Bosnia, I finally realized that all those years ago, Ben was actually saying: "Slobodan Milosevic" :-) Here's the Telegraph article on junk food. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F01%2F30%2Fwfood30.xml Sarah At 11:41 AM +0000 01/31/2003, colin wrote: >well we had even more snow-about a foot deep with more forecast. of >course the UK has come to a standstill. Stupid buggers. > >As for TV, I was an army child so forthe first 5 years of my life I >had no tv as we lived in Germany. Then briefly in UK and I remeber >Watch With Mother(Bizzie Lizze with her majic daisy was my fave). ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #79 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)