From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #76 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 076 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- non-joan posting and that french guy [twoshoes@sasktel.net] Comfort Food (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] BEEF CUTS and spotted dick NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: non-joan posting and that french guy ["Lori Fye" ] Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: food/beef cuts NJC [colin ] Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: non-joan posting and that french guy njc [colin ] Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans [colin ] Joni in Record Collector ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: dogs/ FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: NJC Re: Joni songs on piano NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: dogs/ FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC [colin ] NJC shows on Radio Times tomorrow Friday Jan 31st that might be of interest NJC [Mags N Brei ] RE: nature/nurture njc [Catherine McKay ] Coco (Really NJC), short ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] "converting" to HIV positive/Another reason to hate Rolling StoneNJC [KJH] Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive njc [colin ] RE: BEEF CUTS and spotted dick NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Just being Nabor-ly - NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC ["Blair Fraipo] Big Yellow Crows [Randy Remote ] food cravings NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC [Murphycopy@ao] Re: Just being Nabor-ly - NJC [frasere@intergate.ca] sowing the seeds of love (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] RE: sowing the seeds of love (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Accounting career: HELP! njc ["Wally Kairuz" From: MARBOLI79@aol.com > non, je corrige, let me rectify : JONI MITCHELL'S SIMPLY THE BEST ! > VIVE JONI ! > LONGUE CARRIERE A JONI ! > MERCI POUR TOUT, JONI ! > EN FRANCE AUSSI, ON S'EMBRASSE SUR LES AVENUES ! > EN FRANCE AUSSI, ON AIME JONI ! Now you're talkin! > From: Chris Marshall > Forgive me for asking this, but... when a message comes > through to the Joni-only list, with a subject line that > should be NJC, and, say, is clearly political, isn't > the delete key the answer? You don't *have* to read every > message - If you get the digest version, as I do, you have no choice but to scroll past posts you aren't interested in. Not only is it irritating to scroll past paragraph after paragraph of postings that those of us on the list have specifically requested not be posted (if I want to read about politics, for instance, there are no shortage of places to do so; I don't care to have it foisted on me here, even if I am only scrolling past it), but I am also impatient when people don't delete parts of posts they are not replying specifically to -- so I have to scroll again past entire posts I've already read. > I don't understand why you > get infuriated when you have a choice. Digesters don't have a choice -- yeah we scroll by and don't read, but we shouldn't have to in the first place. It's just as Ken said -- some people know damn well the joni-only list is not for their political rants, but they steamroll over everybody else anyway. It's rude, it's disrespectful, and damn right it's self-serving. I'm not talking about accidentally forgetting the njc. Everyone does that once in a while, and that doesn't call for ripping their skin off. It's the deliberate "Screw you guys, I'm taking over the soapbox" attitude of people who Just Can't Believe that *everyone* is not interested in everything they themselves care about. For god's sake -- we understand you need to tell *someone* but please go tell someone who is willing to listen! Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:02:29 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Comfort Food (NJC) Lucy wrote: > Wall Pork Sausages, mashed potatoes and Heinz Baked Beans Bangers and mash! STILL one of my favorites. I can get English style bangers at a shop near work. >Cottage (shepherds) Pie with carrots and peas .. Another favorite! > Lancashire hot pot Well, I've converted Michele to bangers and mash and shepherd's pie...but not this. Do you have a recipe? I haven't had this since I was a wee lad in Stockport. Steve (looking forward to some Southern comfort food in Nashville next week. Bring on them hush puppies!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:03:50 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: BEEF CUTS and spotted dick NJC Wally you asked about meat cuts.......frankly I have not got a clue! They are (from cows and sheep and pigs) leg shaped, have bits of rib in them, no bones at all with names like "rolled sirloin". there are also names such as... Brisket, chump chops, back chops, scrag end, skirt, BEst end of Neck (scrag end being the bad end I assume) ...Oh then there are things like trotters, tails and then the offal stuff!! The best laugh I had on a very dire holiday in Spain was finding a can of some unidentifiable meat something or other... in the local "supermercardo" run by two very charming "hey senorita you want to marry me or by brother" Spanish guys not a day under 70...and I was 24 at the time.....anyway.....I digress....... the label read...... "Various pig bits, boneless paws, jellied varietous scrapings, brain parts, sockets, marrow jelly, gelatinous liquid, water, colouring additions, pig flavourings. Cattle." The label showed a happy pig lying on its back rubbing its tummy!!! It was so wonderful I bought the tin to see what it was... I opened the tin and it seemed to have in it exactly what it said on the can!!! I assujme it was BRAWN... which consists of the above mentioned ingredients.... Could not bring myself to eat it though..... gave it to a hungry local dog who, I have to say hesitated before eating it a bit carefully.... never saw the dog again! Spotted dick....... Is a fruit pudding made using suet..... Suet is traditionally refined and grated beef fat but you can now get vegetable suet... It includes flour, suet (or butter) milk, eggs, raisins and lemon zest. mix it all together, put it in a very greased bowl, put greasproof paper on the top, tie it all up and then boil the whole thing in a pan for about an hour and a half... My grandmother used to make it and the secret, she said, was to have cold hands!!! You eat it traditionally with custard.... I hate custard so that is one of the reasons I don't eat it I suppose!! The best pastry for traditional pork pies is Suet crust pastry and you make it with hot water and suet and it is sort of gooey but bakes rock hard with a sort of bready inside..... MMMMM. any one would think reading this that I must be the size of a house and live with nothing but the thought of food ...I have lost my sense of smell, so taste exists as a memory at the moment... Have listened to C and S today again and again..... NO... just cannot choose the track I like best...... same with BLUE which was my first album..... its a cold cold night here now and my kids will be coming home soon..... they have phoned to say they have eaten at their father's so we will no be having stri fry after all......... Gosh, now you are on tenterhooks arn't you..... by the way I talk like I write!!! Bye for now Lucy N.P. Nuit d'ivresse... Les Rita Mitsoukou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:03:49 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: non-joan posting and that french guy Kate wrote: > If you get the digest version, as I do, you have no choice but to > scroll past posts you aren't interested in. There is a choice, assuming your email program will allow you to do it. First read the "TOPICS and authors in this Digest." Then do a "search" or "find" for the topic (subject) you want to read. Repeat as necessary. : ) If your email program doesn't support search/find, use this link to find the latest digest, which will appear at the bottom of the list: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni/ Then use your browser's search/find feature. Lori, just trying to be helpful ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:09:35 +0000 From: "Count Husten-Tousser" Subject: NbloodyJC I want to know the rude joke, Colin! (Why God gave women yeast infections) If you tell me I'll tell you my favorite Essex girl and/or Challenger space shuttle jokes......privately, of course........ _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:37:02 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans > From: "walterphil" > > (thread #1) > whenever i want to impress someone who isn't a joni fan > i usually try cold blue steel and sweet fire > followed by maybe, song for sharon > usually gets at least a grudgingly positive reaction > > (jeeez how could they not?) > That's an interesting thread. Back in the days when I was still trying to turn non-Joni fans on, I usually played them first the song Blue to show the vocal performance. Then I would try to show the variety of styles with tracks from Mingus (The Wolf for instance) and DJRD (this was at least 10 years ago) I would never think of playing Song for Sharon nor Cold Blue Steel though. But again I've never succeeded at this (that's why I gave up). If anyone has had better luck, what songs do you find impress non-fans best? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:40:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Lucy Hone wrote: > I have tried it smooth or stodgey and >its horrible....BLEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH. Looks like sick.... > LOL! But it tastes so good and I love the consistancy. ready Brek is afst verison of it whichis also good. > > > >Despite my raving about all the foods I fancied for todays weird weather >(two whiteouts and another coming but not one speck of snow left to show for >any of it......... I told you we have wierd weather) We will have chicken >stirfry with noodles...... Now I am sure you are all feeling relieved!!!!! > Ours has stayed. we have about 8ins here. The dogs abosloutely love it. Theyw ent mad hurthling around the garden. Mind you, i have to then soak their feet in warm water becasue they areLhasa Apso with long hair and the snow forms ice balls around their feet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:44:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: food/beef cuts NJC actaully(just for Lori), I have not seen brains here in the UK. Ate them a lot in Aussie. Wally Kairuz wrote: > i love brains, sauteed in butter or breaded and fried. >brains > and I would neevr eat tipe. My dogs do tho-raw and green and very smelly. they adore it-most of them anyway. Not Dayna who is a fussy bitch-she will only eat raw chicken wings and thighs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:46:29 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans In a message dated 1/30/2003 3:37:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > If anyone has had better luck, what songs do you find > impress non-fans best? I used SFS as well with a friend (on a sampler tape I made with other non-Joni songs), she was so impressed she bought 4 or 5 Joni's in the next week. Matter of fact, that's how I got Mingus...she bought it, didn't like it, gave it to me. I used Amelia when my Dad & I were spinning tunes at the beach. Because he's a lyrics nut like I am, he appreciated it greatly. Or maybe I should say that I'm a lyric nut like he is, after all he was here first. Anyway, the choice would vary according to the person...I would bet there's a Joni song out there for just about everyone. Bob NP: Green On Red, "Easy Way Out" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:49:26 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: non-joan posting and that french guy njc twoshoes@sasktel.net wrote: >> >> > >Digesters don't have a choice -- > > > yes they do-they can recieve individual emails ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:48:51 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans ohhh that's a tough one...it all depends on the people you are trying to impress. Way back when I was dating my husband we smoked a joint turned the lights off and I played Blue album for him.....he was HOOKED after that (on Joni that is :). I remember he said "I didn't realize she had so much to say!". I've run into people who don't realize Joni isn't just some airy-fairy lalala singer, for those types I've played "Talk To Me", "Sweetbird", "Hejira".....basically hard core Joni fans are usually great listeners, you just need to get people to sit, relax and LISTEN. Jericho Hissing OSL LOTC also seem to have worked for me Take care!! Erica in NH _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:48:25 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC LUCY HONE wrote: Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans Laurent wrote: If anyone has had better luck, what songs do you find impress non-fans best? Donna responded: I love this thread!! Laurent, recently I had good luck with HOSL. The same folks also like DJRD. I too, however, have had bad luck trying to convert people with her very early works, I personally can't understand why they just don't love every note she sings like i do (ha ha), but have found it's easier if you break them in slowly. These same people did not respond til the SECOND time they heard HOSL, then said "wow that's really good, maybe I just wasn't listening the first time". donna >>> "Laurent Olszer" 01/30/03 02:37PM >>> > From: "walterphil" > > (thread #1) > whenever i want to impress someone who isn't a joni fan > i usually try cold blue steel and sweet fire > followed by maybe, song for sharon > usually gets at least a grudgingly positive reaction > > (jeeez how could they not?) > That's an interesting thread. Back in the days when I was still trying to turn non-Joni fans on, I usually played them first the song Blue to show the vocal performance. Then I would try to show the variety of styles with tracks from Mingus (The Wolf for instance) and DJRD (this was at least 10 years ago) I would never think of playing Song for Sharon nor Cold Blue Steel though. But again I've never succeeded at this (that's why I gave up). Laurent This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:52:14 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans > If anyone has had better luck, what songs do you find impress > non-fans best? Help Me Free Man In Paris just about anything from Night Ride Home Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:57:00 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Hi Gill, and welcome!! > As for Joni, got into her in the early 70's and and have never gotten > out of her. She's a goddess. Tell us more? Your favorite Joni album and/or song? Why? Et cetera, et cetera ... It's great to have you here! Lori, who works with a guy named Matthew Apter in Bethesda, Maryland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:53:11 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: other lists? njc >Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:42:53 -0000 >From: "Laurent Olszer" >Subject: Tr: Those errant posters, njc >This is the only list I receive. Several people have mentioned it's >the best list on the web. you mean people on this list belong to OTHER lists? Well! . . . and all this time I thought you all were monogamous. (I wouldn't dream of going anywhere else. . . there's only one for me) Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:59:21 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans In a message dated 1/30/2003 2:33:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > If anyone has had better luck, what songs do you find impress non-fans best? > > I still put on C&S, play "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris", and they say "Oh, I remember those songs. That's Joni Mitchell?" Then I hook them with the rest of C&S. Then, I give them the lyrics to the song "Hejira", and have them read while I play the song. They are amazed by her gift of words and the music. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:06:44 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans >> what songs do you find impress non-fans best? >> >> none. I gave up trying a long time ago. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:47:45 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: other lists? njc In a message dated 1/30/2003 2:58:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: > you mean people on this list belong to OTHER lists? > > Yes Mariane, as a lot of old timers on the list already know, I belong to the JNDL. It's the Jim Nabors Discussion List. It's not as big as the JMDL, but we have about 140 members. It's not moderated, but we mostly stick to the life and times of Jim Nabors (we call him "our Jimmy"). Just like the Lee Shore list, "our Jimmy" will post something to the list, and his parents Mavis and Fred Nabors have posted a few times. That way we get a little input to his childhood. Just like Joni suffered from polio, Jim had to eventually move to LA because of asthma. Of course as you all know he spends most of his time in Honolulu now. We get together once a year (Just like jonifests) in the town where he grew up, Sylacauga, Alabama. Since the list is not moderated, some people get a little off topic and discuss why lesbian sheepherders are attracted to Jim, or why George Bush is the Gomer of today. Since I'm on both lists, it's easy for me to remember the NJC tag (I'm the one that came up with that :~) ) He's real nice in person. He'd give you the shirt off his back. Oh, but that was when he was hitting on me that time. So, yes it's possible to be on more than one list Marianne. Jimmy, who's looking forward to watching "Stroker Ace" on tv night. SIGOMER, isn't he? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:09:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans I don't know what works the best, but I have this lovely little memory of hosting a party in my tiny apartment my sophomore year in college. When we all had a good buzz going, I gathered a bunch of my girlfriends around my tape player and played The Last Time I Saw Richard. They were all floored and asked me to play it again. I was in heaven, watching them recognize the brilliance of the song. In retrospect, we were probably all just high of our rockers, but it sure was nice! In my senior year, I made a mixed tape for a guy I just started dating - I tried to pick out the songs I thought he'd like best...lots from C&S and Blue. A year into our relationship he was singing along word for word to all the songs...if he did it to impress me, it worked. I married him. (Okay, it took me 10 years to marry him, but I finally did). Jenny Laurent Olszer wrote:> From: "walterphil" > > (thread #1) > whenever i want to impress someone who isn't a joni fan > i usually try cold blue steel and sweet fire > followed by maybe, song for sharon > usually gets at least a grudgingly positive reaction > > (jeeez how could they not?) > That's an interesting thread. Back in the days when I was still trying to turn non-Joni fans on, I usually played them first the song Blue to show the vocal performance. Then I would try to show the variety of styles with tracks from Mingus (The Wolf for instance) and DJRD (this was at least 10 years ago) I would never think of playing Song for Sharon nor Cold Blue Steel though. But again I've never succeeded at this (that's why I gave up). If anyone has had better luck, what songs do you find impress non-fans best? Laurent Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:16:12 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Lucy, I think the difference is that cottage pie can be made with beef or anything, but shepherd's pie should be made with lamb or mutton. But I always called it shepherd's pie even though I was making it with Linda MacCartney's soya mince. Can't buy that in Canada so I'm pie-less at the moment. Loved your list of British comfort food! I have to add custard to your apple pie. ;-) My beloved South Coast of England! I love it when it rains there. But Lucy, I used to think it got cold there too, until I came here and experienced minus 30. But it does get very damp and drizzly. When I lived there, I woke up once during the night because my pillow was freezing cold, and when I felt it, I realized it was not only cold but actuallly wet, even though my house had no damp in it, at least no more than normal. But I lived just a minute's walk from the sea and in winter we had very wet air -- fresh and glorious. At least winter doesn't last long. Here we have six month winters, then no spring, straight into summer heat. At the beginning of June last year, we had snow on the ground, no flowers, no leaves on the trees. But by the end of June, it was boiling hot and everything was blooming. Then came the dust storms. . . Sarah From: "Lucy Hone" Hi all its a horrible horrible day and I still ave this awful cold and it is sleeting here on the South coast of England... I have to go and walk the dog (and his friend who is staying...ye gods its mad enough when the kids have sleepovers...but the dog!!!!!!!) All the talk of Tuna and whether you like it or not... I do, but in the summer with pasta and huge tomatoes with balsamic vinegar on them....... has got me thinking about what I would like to eat today as it is sooooooo f*****g cold...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:58:16 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni likes ... I'm guessing Coco is the little dog in the picture in the TLOG booklet! Is that a painting or a photo btw? It looks so life like and so artistic and colourful at the same time! Stephen Toogood "God goes up the cimney Like childhood Santa Claus The good slaves love the good book A rebel loves a cause" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Lori Fye" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:54 AM Subject: Re: Joni likes ... > Quoting Lori Fye : > > > Maybe Joni likes pugs. ;-) > > > > She may, but I think the dog she has now is a Jack Russell terrier. > > Kakki? Stephen? You two met up with Joni at the Daily Grill. Is that > > right? > > Joni's current dog of choice is indeed the lovely Coco- a Jack Russell. > > Best > Stephen in Vancouver > > Hey Lori- thanks so much for the book- WOW! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:22:28 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Joni in Record Collector Has anyone seen the Record Collector mag yet? Right at the back they do a '25 years ago' thing and this month they mentioned that DJRD got to number 20 in the UK this month 25 years ago. There is also a photo of Joni holding a rose. I'm guessing it was used to promote the album when it came out. She looks so pretty. One of the best Joni photos I've seen! Stephen Toogood "God goes up the cimney Like childhood Santa Claus The good slaves love the good book A rebel loves a cause" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:27:36 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: dogs/ FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC An ex-boyfriend of mine had two kittens, brother and sister, which he didn't get neutered fast enough - he didn't realize how young cats tend to begin - and he woke up one night to find them having sex on top of him while he slept. He said it put him off the idea of a threesome for life. Sarah From: colin My youngest Harvey has discovered his maleness. Napoli is in season and Hravey is now cocking his leg all over at 8mths of gae. Kevin, who is 5.5yrs is not a happy bunny and is cocking his leg over where Harvey has. Not only that, when he gets the cha ce he has a go at Harvey thru the baby gate. Haervy knows he can't get him so taunts him.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:34:34 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni songs on piano NJC In a message dated 1/30/03 3:42:06 AM, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: >Allow me to gush one more time...Every so often, Brian and I write to Fred >to tell him how much we enjoy listening to this very CD which just happens >to be our favourite dinner music. The conversations that are sparked from >this gorgeous work are amazing. Does this mean if I get a piano you will >come over and play for us live? Let me know what you like for dinner and >I will be sure to have our very own personal Chef Monsieur Vantiel over ;-) > >MagsnBrei, encouraging everyone to get this CD! MagsnBrei, unlimited gushing is allowed here, even encouraged. Thanks so much for the kind words. If you get a piano, I am available for house concerts and would love to do it. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:59:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: dogs/ FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > An ex-boyfriend of mine had two kittens, brother and sister, which he > didn't get neutered fast enough - he didn't realize how young cats > tend to begin - and he woke up one night to find them having sex on > top of him while he slept. > > He said it put him off the idea of a threesome for life. > > Sarah > > screwing cats are scary! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:06:21 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: E-mail interception (NJC) Lori, my understanding is that any email you download onto the computer to read (using an email client like Eudora, Outlook Express etc) can be read by the systems dept/employer if the computer is networked, and the information remains on the hard drive even if you think you've deleted it. But if you go online to read your mail as webmail (Yahoo, Hotmail etc), then those emails can't be read by other people even if the computer is networked, although as Kakki says, the fact that you accessed the account would be recorded. But this would not reveal your account name or password: just the fact that you went to, say, www.hotmail.com at such-and-such a date and time. Sarah Lori asked: > Which of you tech-savvy types knows whether email that is simply sent > or received via an employer-owned computer (but not via an employer- > provided account), particularly a networked computer, can be > monitored/read? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:40:16 -0800 (PST) From: Thom Byrd Subject: Joni and commitment I believe she luvs her luvin~ but not like she luvs he freedom* Keep your pencil sharp, thom http://www.artistnation.com/members/paris/thom/ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: NJC shows on Radio Times tomorrow Friday Jan 31st that might be of interest NJC If you dont get this via the radio, I believe it is available on line as well. Rather timely topics. np: Kate Rusby Sleepless RADIO TIMES with Marty Moss-Coane 10-NOON Hour One: Broadway producer, director, playwright and author Philip Rose is in the studio to talk about his career in the theater and his commitment to social justice expressed through the arts. Rose is best known for bringing the hit play "A Raisin in the Sun" to the stage. Hour Two: "Coming out" is extraordinarily difficult for teenagers and for a parent, accepting that a child is gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered or questioning may be equally difficult. Kevin Jennings, of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network is the author of a new book to help parents understand and support their children through this time. The Radio Times toll free call-in number is 1-888-477-WHYY (1-888-477-9499). Visit the Radio Times web site at http://www.whyy.org/91FM/RadioTimes.html You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:55:58 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans I love making tapes for people and have been doing that a lot lately, it's one of the ways I impress women! Or try! I kind of do a combo of songs one that means a lot to me, one that is fairly popular just to connect them to her and then one I really think they will like. Like this woman I am kind of seeing now (yeah yeah so the sleeping giant is finally dating again), is a huge FTR fan. So yes she is a Joni fan, but she needs to be more so. So I included "Woman of Heart and Mind." I love Blue so I included "All I Want." And from her most succesful commercial album and jazzy ... since she digs that too, I included "Car On A Hill." Not to mention she confiscated some of the Jonifest cds for a listen. Sure to be dumped after she hears the channeling thing! LOL! There goes that romantic image I had going! I love this thread as well, and will be using many of the suggestions posted! Peace, Susan - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > In my senior year, I made a mixed tape for a guy I just started dating - I tried to pick out the > songs I thought he'd like best...lots from C&S and Blue. A year into our relationship he was > singing along word for word to all the songs...if he did it to impress me, it worked. I married > him. (Okay, it took me 10 years to marry him, but I finally did). Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:21:07 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC The shoe bomber The AOL main screen was flashing a photo of the shoe bomber (Richard Reid) all day today, since he was sentenced to life. My partner in crime (Ed) said it looked like Michael Paz on acid. LOL Mikey, it must be the hair. You're much cuter :~) Jimmy NP : Jim Nabors "BSN" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:36:41 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive Strange story in this week's Spectator about gay men who deliberately "convert" (as the article puts it) to HIV positive status. Thought it might be of interest. http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2003-02-01&id=2744 Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:37:31 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Sorry Sorry, did it again. No NJC. Off to put gun in mouth. Strange story in this week's Spectator about gay men who deliberately "convert" (as the article puts it) to HIV positive status. Thought it might be of interest. http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2003-02-01&id=2744 Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:37:54 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Why I don't like tuna.... NJC Yeah, nothing better than a fresh tomato. Except for tuna. Preferably a pair of tomatoes. Yum. Lama, skating close to the line and hoping 'the kids' aren't reading this..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:44:52 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Call the President (NJC) Exactly what I've been thinking. Let's add it up: Deficit spending all ready? Climbing jobless rate? Building weapons we don't need against enemies we don't have? Ignoring all of our domestic problems while we obsess on a colony gone wrong? Am I leaving anything out? Yeah, the Soviets went belly up and we're right behind 'em- having learned nothing. Like Enron, when the USA goes off the rails, it's gonna be going hundreds of miles an hour. Lama Corry said, >>>>> Me, I'm hoarding toilet paper, so when our economy goes bust from doing a "Russia" and having a ridiculously top-heavy military, I won't have to wait in some line. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:36:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: nature/nurture njc --- Jerry Notaro wrote: But the church already has this one > covered. That it is > irrelevant how one became homosexual, it is acting > upon it which is the sin. > Pretty clever of them, n'est pas? It must have been Jesuits, don't you think? It sll fits the damned if you do, damned if you don't style. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:39:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Coco (Really NJC), short No, not at all. This is a common misconception. Coco was merely a consultant. Lama Steve Dulson asked: > You mean a DOG mastered T'log? Hmmmm....could explain a few things... :) Randy Remote wrote: >>I have a jpg of Joni, Klein and Coco with Bernie Grundman, >>mastering T'Log from Music Connection mag last fall. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:40:31 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: "converting" to HIV positive/Another reason to hate Rolling StoneNJC In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:37:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, sl.m@shaw.ca writes: > Strange story in this week's Spectator about gay men who deliberately > "convert" This article reminds me of an article in a recent Rolling Stone about "Bug Chasers." Now, Rolling Stone is under great scrutiny about this, because apparently the investigators fudged or made up many of the facts they printed, including saying things like 25% of the men who seroconvert (change from negative to positive) were actively trying to become exposed to HIV. Sources quoted in the article have come out publicly saying that they were either misquoted or did not provide the statistics attributed to them in this piece of rubbish. Joni is right about Rolling Stone. It's a big sh*t rag. Ken P/S As a Joni-only, am I allowed to post NJC stuff? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:40:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC --- Lori Fye wrote: > >> Okay..Lucy and Colin.. what is porridge (sp?)? > > > oast boiled in milk and the sugar added OR the old > way is boiled in > > water with salt added. I know which I rpefer..... > > And imo, McCann's Original Steel-cut Irish Oatmeal > is best for porridge: > > http://www.mccanns.ie/pages/products.html > > Yum! MMMMmmm, yummy! I love the stuff, especially on a cold winter day. I make mine with water, but add brown sugar and some milk on top. Don't mix it together, though - it tastes better when you get a little bitta dis and a little bitta dat. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:53:05 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: "converting" to HIV positive/Another reason to hate Rolling Stone NJC Oh, interesting. Yes, I was wondering when I read it whether someone was having them on. And yes, as a Joni-only, you're allowed to post NJC stuff! Just remember to label it, unlike me. Can someone tell me please: when I post, do I need to send to joni@smoe.org AND joni-digest@smoe.org, so the digest people get it. Or is one sufficient? I've noticed that sometimes when I send to both addresses my posts show up twice, and sometimes only once, so it's got me confused. Sarah At 7:40 PM -0500 01/30/2003, KJHSF@aol.com wrote: >This article reminds me of an article in a recent Rolling Stone >about "Bug Chasers." Now, Rolling Stone is under great scrutiny >about this, because apparently the investigators fudged or made up >many of the facts they printed, including saying things like 25% of >the men who seroconvert (change from negative to positive) were >actively trying to become exposed to HIV. Sources quoted in the >article have come out publicly saying that they were either >misquoted or did not provide the statistics attributed to them in >this piece of rubbish. >Joni is right about Rolling Stone. It's a big sh*t rag. >Ken >P/S As a Joni-only, am I allowed to post NJC stuff? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:12:10 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Just being Nabor-ly - NJC Jimmy, dear ... I am beginning to worry about you and this Jim Nabors fetish. Please step away from the stereo and let Ed remove this for you. Also, you know much too much about Jim Nabors, as evidenced in your previous post. Get a grip man! Let him go ... it's okay, just let him go - OR I may have to make a citizens arrest! Let's see who gets that one! Peace, Susan > Jimmy wrote: > NP : Jim Nabors "BSN" Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:22:13 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive njc how terribly sad. It is amazing hoe peopl can ratoonlize themselves into anything. Self hatred is wickedly strong and will do anythign to make itself better-even killing oneself off. sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Strange story in this week's Spectator about gay men who deliberately > "convert" (as the article puts it) to HIV positive status. Thought it > might be of interest. > http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2003-02-01&id=2744 > > > Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:23:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Just being Nabor-ly - NJC I gathered Jimmmy's post was ajoke but have no idea who Jim Nabors is. Susan Guzzi wrote: >Jimmy, dear ... > >I am beginning to worry about you and this Jim Nabors fetish. Please step away from the stereo >and let Ed remove this for you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:23:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: BEEF CUTS and spotted dick NJC lucy, i love your posts!!!!!! if you talk like you write, i would love to be your neighbor. just wanted to say that. love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:25:32 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Coco (Really NJC), short I just have to say one thing about Joni and her dog "COCO" - for such a creative type couldn't she come up with a real name! Geez why didn't she just call him "Spot!" Come on Siquomb get those creative juices flowing - COCO? Reeeeaally! Just sitting here with my cat, Isabella Rosellini, who is snickering at the very thought of being called COCO! Peace, Susan - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > No, not at all. This is a common misconception. Coco was merely a > consultant. > Lama > > > Steve Dulson asked: > > You mean a DOG mastered T'log? Hmmmm....could explain a few things... :) > > > Randy Remote wrote: > >>I have a jpg of Joni, Klein and Coco with Bernie Grundman, > >>mastering T'Log from Music Connection mag last fall. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:41:38 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Just being Nabor-ly - NJC In a message dated 1/30/03 8:24:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > I gathered Jimmmy's post was ajoke but have no idea who Jim Nabors is. > > Colin, you don't know who Jim Nabors is?????? I'm sure you do, even if you watched tv as a child, I'm sure you saw some of the US shows. Jim was Gomer on "The Andy Griffith Show", one of the greatest comedy series IMO, ever! He also was starred in another show " Gomer Pyle USMC". He started out as a singer with a very good voice (if you like that sort of thing). He was did a cover of Joni's "Both Sides Now", which is my favorite cheese cover :~) If you still don't know who he is, I'm going to fly over to the UK and flog you :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:53:42 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC Oddly enough in the new Rolling Stone (with Shania Twain on the cover) has an article about the very same thing. So for those in American and elsewhere also interested about this phenomena, check it out. Blair NP: "The Dialogues of the Carmalites" by Poulenc > >Strange story in this week's Spectator about gay men who deliberately >"convert" (as the article puts it) to HIV positive status. Thought it >might be of interest. >http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2003-02-01&id=2744 > >Sarah _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:55:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Big Yellow Crows I just heard Big Yellow Taxi by Counting Crows for the first time on the radio. First time I have heard something by them I liked. Shoooo, bop bop bop bop, RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:12:03 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: food cravings NJC i LOVE cottage cheese although i don't eat as much as i used to...when i was pregnant all i wanted to eat was cottage cheese & mustard...as much as i love tomatoes, salsa & sauce when i was pregnant the smell of tomato sauce repulsed me... i stopped eating tuna when it was hard to figure out which was which as far as being dolphin safe (i think its still controversial) & i don't miss it anyway as i try to avoid fish from the ocean due to the high mercury levels (having had enough mercury exposure thanks to the old fillings i received as a child) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:19:38 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Artlcle about gay men "converting" to HIV positive NJC Blair writes: << So for those in American and elsewhere also interested about this phenomena, check it out. >> Although ths phenomenon exists, it is quite rare -- from all reports except Rolling Stone's. This story HAS BEEN DISCREDITED. The doctors in the article DENY MAKING THE STATEMENTS that were attributed to them. It appears that Rolling Stone MADE IT UP! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:26:56 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Just being Nabor-ly - NJC Quoting FMYFL@aol.com: > > > Colin, you don't know who Jim Nabors is?????? > I'm sure you do, even if you watched tv as a child, I'm sure you saw some of.... And don't forget the famous affair with Rock Hudson;-) Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:42:28 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: sowing the seeds of love (NJC) I've been hearing a song on the radio that I think is called "Sowing the Seeds of Love". At least that's the chorus; it may not be the title. But I haven't heard who it's by. Don't know if it's old or new or what. Anyone know? It's really pretty cool. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:41:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: sowing the seeds of love (NJC) it's by tears for fears. love, wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Bruce Kimerer Enviado el: Jueves, 30 de Enero de 2003 11:42 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: sowing the seeds of love (NJC) I've been hearing a song on the radio that I think is called "Sowing the Seeds of Love". At least that's the chorus; it may not be the title. But I haven't heard who it's by. Don't know if it's old or new or what. Anyone know? It's really pretty cool. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:03:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Best Joni Songs to impress non-fans --- colin wrote: > >> what songs do you find impress non-fans best? > >> > >> > none. I gave up trying a long time ago. Atta boy, Colin. Let them find her on their own, the wretches. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:05:26 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Accounting career: HELP! njc Poverty sucks and I'm thinking about canning IT all together and going into accounting instead. There must be 15x more accounting jobs than IT jobs. Is there such a thing as an entry level accounting job. In the paper, they all smell like "data entry" which, of course, leads nowhere too. How can I make this freakin' business degree pay for my school loan? What say ye? Lama, desperate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "converting" to HIV positive/Another reason to hate Rolling Stone NJC --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > As a Joni-only, am I allowed to post NJC stuff? Yes, but you're not allowed to read them. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:16:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Just being Nabor-ly - NJC --- colin wrote: > I gathered Jimmmy's post was ajoke but have no idea > who Jim Nabors is. > > Susan Guzzi wrote: > > >Jimmy, dear ... > > > >I am beginning to worry about you and this Jim > Nabors fetish. Please step away from the stereo > >and let Ed remove this for you. You're better off not knowing. Don't even ask. The whole thing is too sick and twisted to be believed. Jimmy has sunk to an all-time low. (Did you ever see Gomer Pyle USMC? or the Andy Griffith Show? Jim Nabors was Gomer. Or maybe Gomer was Jim Nabors. Well, go-o-o-llllly!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:19:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Accounting career: HELP! njc i think that your best shot is with a big consulting firm like PricewaterhouseCoopers http://www.pwcglobal.com/. they hire lots of accountants and business majors as analysts (entry level job) every year. an MBA degree would help a lot too. i hope it helps, wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) Enviado el: Viernes, 31 de Enero de 2003 12:05 a.m. Para: _JMDL Asunto: Accounting career: HELP! njc Poverty sucks and I'm thinking about canning IT all together and going into accounting instead. There must be 15x more accounting jobs than IT jobs. Is there such a thing as an entry level accounting job. In the paper, they all smell like "data entry" which, of course, leads nowhere too. How can I make this freakin' business degree pay for my school loan? What say ye? Lama, desperate ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #76 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)