From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #75 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 075 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: turning gay NJC [colin ] Re: E-mail interception (NJC) ["kakki" ] FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Joni + Don ["kakki" ] Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC ["hell" ] Joni and John [Cactustree78@aol.com] hejira cover [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC [colin ] Re: dogs/ FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC [colin ] RE: Down To You [Ron Greer ] Re: Why I don't like tuna.... NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Joni songs on piano ["Sarah Cartwright" ] Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC [colin ] Re: things that have to do with the JMDL (NJC) ["kasey simpson" ] NJC one more thing on food NJC ["kasey simpson" ] such disrespect.... [Ron Greer ] Re: such disrespect.... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Coco (Really NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC [colin ] Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: MarcAurele njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: nature/nurture njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Down To You ["J.David Sapp" ] RE: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] food/beef cuts NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: E-mail interception (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Real versus New (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC one more thing on food NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni + Don (probably njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Those errant posters, NJC [Scott Price ] Re: E-mail interception (NJC) ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:29:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: turning gay NJC Yael Harlap wrote: > for instance, three siblings growing up in the same family have the > same parents, live in the same house, probably attend the same schools - but they do not have the same experiences nor do they have the same meaning structures. They do not even have the same parenting..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:55:03 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: E-mail interception (NJC) Hi Mary, you wrote: >While I don't agree with Kakki that the U.S. Department of Labor can be spurred into action on a > moment's notice by the mere suspicion of a violation (I don't think they're that powerful, or more importantly, that >efficient ;-) ) That's not what I meant to convey. They can come in on a "moment's notice" to the employer, not on their own whim, of course. I have worked at one company where they made a surprise visit, without any notice and with demands to turn over records, and a threat of shutdown, and have worked on a case where they arrived, with U.S. Marshalls, simultaneously at four offices and taped the doors closed and came back the next day to take documents and dismantle computer hard drives. They want to "surprise" the place of business before people can start hiding or destroying files. But of course, they have to have good cause and evidence to do so. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:39:37 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Hi all its a horrible horrible day and I still ave this awful cold and it is sleeting here on the South coast of England... I have to go and walk the dog (and his friend who is staying...ye gods its mad enough when the kids have sleepovers...but the dog!!!!!!!) All the talk of Tuna and whether you like it or not... I do, but in the summer with pasta and huge tomatoes with balsamic vinegar on them....... has got me thinking about what I would like to eat today as it is sooooooo f*****g cold......SO, cue music, here are some of my Favourite meals for really cold days.... these all have childhood memories attached to them and they never fail to remind me of us all sat round the dining table drooling.... 1 Wall Pork Sausages, mashed potatoes and Heinz Baked Beans 2 Birds Eye Cod Fish fingers with mashed potatoes and peas 3 Cottage (shepherds) Pie with carrots and peas .. there will now be debate about whether cottage and shepherds pie are the same thing... Its minced meat in a sumptuous gravy with mashed potato on the top baked in the oven until the mash has attained that golden edge that makes you have to (You just HAVE TO) tug a bit off it... 4 Lancashire hot pot 5 Beef and Ale stew with dumplings 6 Corned beef hash (not the illegal hash .... all though that would certainly cheer things up :-) In the UK at out table this is like a poor mans version of Shepherds pie, but you use Corned beef from tins instead of minced meat.... I think that will do for now.... for main courses... Puddings... sweets, whatever you may call them? Apple pie, Apple pie, Apple Pie, Apple pie Apple Crumble Sponge pudding with loads of golden syrup on it Baked Apples and did I mention Apple pie? Oh I am so hungry now and I think I will do something yummy for supper tonight, the kids come back to me tonight and that is always great.... they have a day off from school tomorrow and each have two friends staying tonight so there will be Me, Liz plus two, Sam plus two and Danny the dog plus one!!! Enjoy your days all of you..... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni songs on piano NJC Fred Simon wrote: >> >> Some >> >> folks on this list claim to enjoy [Songs of My Youth, Vol. 1] very >>much; Allow me to gush one more time...Every so often, Brian and I write to Fred to tell him how much we enjoy listening to this very CD which just happens to be our favourite dinner music. The conversations that are sparked from this gorgeous work are amazing. Does this mean if I get a piano you will come over and play for us live? Let me know what you like for dinner and I will be sure to have our very own personal Chef Monsieur Vantiel over ;-) MagsnBrei, encouraging everyone to get this CD! You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:29:51 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni + Don Andrew wrote: > Oh well - I guess Joni just isn't the "commitment" > type. I think any man who enters into a relationship > with Joni now probably understands that, if she > doesn't make it clear to them from the outset. Please don't get that impression from what I wrote. She has spokenly publically of her hurt and sense of loss regarding the end of the relationship - and he broke it off with her. If she now says she enjoys being unattached, that could mean any number of things - and not that she doesn't want a commitment. Maybe she is still healing from her loss. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:11:57 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Lucy wrote: > 3 Cottage (shepherds) Pie with carrots and peas .. there will now be debate > about whether cottage and shepherds pie are the same thing... Its minced > meat in a sumptuous gravy with mashed potato on the top baked in the oven > until the mash has attained that golden edge that makes you have to (You > just HAVE TO) tug a bit off it... Well, you suggested debating it ;o)...... I don't think of them as the same thing. Cottage pie is made from scratch ie. all fresh ingredients, using fresh mince (ground beef for those in the US), but shepherd's pie is made using left over cold roast meat (and left-over gravy), usually beef, because there was never any left-overs if we had roast lamb! At least that's how my mother always made them, and how I do now, too! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 05:48:15 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Joni and John Hello all :) I was reading an old interview where madame Joni talked about a conversation she had with John Lennon and he said something to her like why do you give all of your hits away, throw some horns on the record or something close,I just cant imagine the creative juju flowin in that room..IMHO the two greatest song writers EVER in the same room..Wow whatta collaboration that would have made.. Anyway I hope you all are doin great if not then you bettre try!! p.s. I sense alot of anger lately, lets try and give eachother a lil slack!!! insert Rodney King quote here :) ****kev**** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 05:51:40 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: hejira cover Sorry I forgot...Someone, cant remember who, mentioned something about seein Joni hidden in the clouds on the inside sleeve of Hejira ,is that the sleeve with her lookin lika crow on the opposite side??(the sleeve the record is in) Ive never seen it before and am curious...Thanx again ****kev*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:24:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Lucy Hone wrote: >Hi all its a horrible horrible day and I still ave this awful cold and it is >sleeting here on the South coast of England... I have to go and walk the dog >(and his friend who is staying...ye gods its mad enough when the kids have >sleepovers...but the dog!!!!!!!) All the talk of Tuna and whether you like >it or not... I do, but in the summer with pasta and huge tomatoes with >balsamic vinegar on them....... has got me thinking about what I would like >to eat today as it is sooooooo f*****g cold......SO, cue music, here are >some of my Favourite meals for really cold days.... these all have >childhood memories attached to them and they never fail to remind me of us >all sat round the dining table drooling.... > >1 Wall Pork Sausages, mashed potatoes and Heinz Baked Beans >2 Birds Eye Cod Fish fingers with mashed potatoes and peas >3 Cottage (shepherds) Pie with carrots and peas .. there will now be debate >about whether cottage and shepherds pie are the same thing... > I think the difference is that one is lamb and the other beef buti don;t know which way around it is and also the veggies are different. > >Puddings... sweets, whatever you may call them? > Pudding is the correct 'Queens English'. >Apple Crumble > yummy >Sponge pudding with loads of golden syrup on it > even more yummy-tho I love suet puddings too. Likre Spotted Dick with custard.(if you make custard or buy the paket to put in milk-always add a little salt-just a pinch-it really makes a difference to the taste-much creamier) > > I should also mention Lucy that it is really cruel to emntion all theses foods. They are on my banned list! (allergic) bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:26:51 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: dogs/ FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Lucy Hone wrote: >Hi all its a horrible horrible day and I still ave this awful cold and it is >sleeting here on the South coast of England... I have to go and walk the dog >(and his friend who is staying...ye gods its mad enough when the kids have >sleepovers...but the dog!!!!!!!) > My youngest Harvey has discovered his maleness. Napoli is in season and Hravey is now cocking his leg all over at 8mths of gae. Kevin, who is 5.5yrs is not a happy bunny and is cocking his leg over where Harvey has. Not only that, when he gets the cha ce he has a go at Harvey thru the baby gate. Haervy knows he can't get him so taunts him.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:28:54 +0000 From: colin Subject: I've Had It Off NJC This morning I had my mole removed. It was so easy and totally painless tho it bled like hell. I told my gp a rude joke about why God gave women Thrush which perhaps wasn't the wisest thing to do when she had a scalpel so close to me..... (The joke is really rude so if you wnat to hear it,it will be private) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:49:08 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: RE: Down To You Hi >>>>bob wrote >>>>>Also Ron, your post brought out an interesting point...in "Down To You" the protagonist is craving WARMTH & beauty, not TRUTH & beauty, as Joni is to define a couple records later in "Black Crow"(Of course she originally wrote 'love & music' but has always to my recall substituted 'Truth & Beauty' in its stead. So in the first case, there is no truth, only the despair & loneliness which seeks only warmth. "maybe ive never really loved, maybe that is the truth ive spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitudes" is anothe line which ties in very strongly on this theme. ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:55:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why I don't like tuna.... NJC --- Lori Fye wrote: > > cottage cheese???? > > Should be banned from the planet. Ewwwwwwwwww!!! > I've tried and tried to like cottage cheese. Y'know, it's a great diet food, so when I'm being really "good" and serious about wanting to lose weight, into the grocery cart goes the cottage cheese -the lo-fat (not low-fat, there's probably a difference, like maybe lo-fat is some kind of chemical additive?) cottage cheese. It sits in my fridge unopened until the best-by date has passed, then into the garbage it goes. After all these years, hope springs eternal. Just MAYBE I'll eat the cottage cheese; but nope. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:11:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC --- colin wrote: > Lucy Hone wrote: > All the talk of > Tuna and whether you like > >it or not... I do, but in the summer with pasta and > huge tomatoes with > >balsamic vinegar on them....... has got me thinking > about what I would like > >to eat today Lucy and Colin - when Brits start talking about food, I never have a clue what they're talking about. Ironic, that, since my grandmother was English. The dog sleepover thing made me laugh. I bet you don't get any sleep at all with the constant carrying-on that happens when two dogs meet (over and over again...) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:19:45 +0000 From: colin Subject: finally njc it is snowing. or more rpecisely , we have a blizzrd. Lovely. i adore snow. I can see Joni sakitng al la Hejira in my garden..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:53:22 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Hey There Colin & Lucy! Just wanted to mention this particular dessert is also on my banned list: Colin mentioned: "Spotted Dick with custard." For OBVIOUS reasons! Not really allergic - more like REPULSED! LOL! Okay now you've made me late for work! Peace, Susan > I should also mention Lucy that it is really cruel to emntion all theses > foods. They are on my banned list! (allergic) > bw > colin Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:58:08 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Catherine wrote...... Lucy and Colin - when Brits start talking about food, > I never have a clue what they're talking about. > Ironic, that, since my grandmother was English. > > The dog sleepover thing made me laugh. I bet you don't > get any sleep at all with the constant carrying-on > that happens when two dogs meet (over and over > again...) Ah, you see Catherine (and colin will back me up here) we just talk the same language really get a BRITISH Dictionary and you will understand a bit better.... Have you been to the UK? Have you experienced good old basic English fare? It is wonderfully warming of the soul and of the cockles of our hearts..(now there is an expression I have never understood... Now as to food and and the differences abroad, the Brits have a reputation for being very very staid and unadventurous....... I go to France a lot and just love all the sea food... and also like Escargots... So many people blanche at the thought of snails but... Cooked in their shells, Drenched in garlic butterand parsley, and eaten with hunks of fresh bread I think they are one of the little things that everyone should try..... the number of French who place snails in front of you thinking you will say "EEEEEWW" (I do think the USA has proveided a wonderful expression there) and look quite shocked when your eyes light up..... Good to have one over on the French they still have not got over Agincourt so its a good thing to keep them on their toes....(don't you think so Colin .....even if you hate snails).. Things I will not eat are... BRAINS, TRIPE, COD ROE (but will eat caviar) JELLIED EELS, BLOOD SAUSAGE....CUSTARD......and will only eat liver if I cook it myself.... Sorry, Colin, that so many of the things I have mentioned are banned from your day but ITs just one of those type of "hmmm what to eat" type days.... Also need dog food and cat food... I took Dan the dog and his mate (Smokey the Whoppet ...huge whippety thing but too small for a greyhound and too big for a whippet but NOT a lurcher) and another dog friend for a walk and it was beautiful and then all of a sudden it just blizzarded snow from absolutely NOWHERE.... Ah the beauty of England.... Going to the supermarket to stock up with food for the kids.... It will be a big trolley I think as I am feeling foody.... Enjoy the day... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:11:03 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Down to you >Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:43:19 -0500 >From: >Subject: Re: Down To You >Another interesting component of this song is that it utilizes a technique >that >Joni employs in some of her other songs as well; that is, it opens and >closes >with a similar phraseology. > >The opening/closing/middle repeats: >"Everything comes & goes... >Constant stranger... >It all comes down to you" >Like Hejira, where she opens and closes with "I'm travelling in some >vehicle, >sitting in some cafe", and "Conversation". It's like she's using the >technique >to close the loop on the thought, or perhaps show the cyclical nature of >the >issue at hand, or the lack of resolution. It's as if she's saying 'here I >am at >the end of this thought and I'm right back where I started from'. I have no >idea >if this is intentional or if she means it that way. I just find it an >interesting technique. >Bob Thanks for this Bob. I love the analysis/observation very much. I love circles and cycles, in nature, in art, etc. Life is like that, you know? Now I will have to go back, listen and pay more attention. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:33:23 +0000 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: Re: Joni songs on piano All I know of Howard is he is one of the revered gurus of the JMDL and writes beautiful piano arrangements and puts them on jmdl.com so people can sneakily go on the internet at work and print them off ( hint hint, any more due soon?!!! : ) I have loved all of the recent discussion on Down To You, it being one of my real joni favourites and a song which has the ability to make me cry just by the sheer beauty of its' sounds, and the emotions it invokes in me. I experienced a very unique moment at the weekend when something somebody said to me actually made me cry as it was so beautiful. It probably will sound out of context here but I'll give it a try. I was at a party and met an artist friend of my fathers who had painted a picture of - in basic terms - a scene of a lonely beach, no people just colours. I was looking at it and he looked at me right into my eyes and said, " It's somewhere between the sea and the sky, what you're looking for, isn't it?" I don't know why but it just really moved and inspired me and will stay with me forever. I know it's strictly not joni-related but most of her lyrics have similar effects on me, as they do for most of you. Ron - your post re. Down to You was incredible. best wishes sarah NP Paula Cole. You Make Me Feel Love >From: FredNow@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >CC: sarc25@hotmail.com >Subject: Joni songs on piano >Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:06:02 EST > > >"Sarah Cartwright" writes: > > >Totally agree on your praise for Howard's 'For Free' . I would recommend > >his rendition of 'Blue' aswell - that is really beautiful and is a real > >pleasure to play. > > >Who is Howard? Where can I hear his renditions? > >My favorite piano rendition of "My Old Man" is by Fred Hersch on his >wonderful live solo album, Let Yourself Go. Highly recommended. > >Speaking of recommendations, I guess the vestigial entrepreneur in me would >be disappointed if I didn't seize this opportunity to plug my own piano >renditions of Joni songs: Both Sides Now, For Free, and Michael From >Mountains, all available on my private release album Songs of My Youth, Vol. >1, which also includes songs by The Beatles, Dylan, Beethoven, and me. Some >folks on this list claim to enjoy it very much; anyone interested in copping >one please feel free to e-mail off-list. > >-Fred Simon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's fast, it's easy and it's free! Click here to download MSN Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:29:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Lucy Hone wrote: >Catherine wrote...... > >Lucy and Colin - when Brits start talking about food, > > >>I never have a clue what they're talking about. >>Ironic, that, since my grandmother was English. >> >>The dog sleepover thing made me laugh. I bet you don't >>get any sleep at all with the constant carrying-on >>that happens when two dogs meet (over and over >>again...) >> >> > > > >I go to France a lot and just love all the sea food... and also like >Escargots... So many people blanche at the thought of snails but... Cooked >in their shells, Drenched in garlic butterand parsley, and eaten with hunks >of fresh bread I think they are one of the little things that everyone >should try..... the number of French who place snails in front of you >thinking you will say "EEEEEWW" (I do think the USA has proveided a >wonderful expression there) and look quite shocked when your eyes light >up..... Good to have one over on the French they still have not got over >Agincourt so its a good thing to keep them on their toes....(don't you think >so Colin .....even if you hate snails).. > I am faird to say i have eaten them as you describe, will eat anything, but didn't enjoy them. The only food i have eaten that really made me feel ill was in Japanese Sushi bar. > >Things I will not eat are... BRAINS, > dipped in breadcrumbs and fired. mmmmm > TRIPE, > ick > COD ROE (but will eat caviar) > ick to both >JELLIED EELS, > double ick > BLOOD SAUSAGE.... > Black Pudding-is good1 >CUSTARD...... > yummy >and will only eat liver if I >cook it myself.... > same her-so it is still pink. > > > >I took Dan the dog and his mate (Smokey the Whoppet ...huge whippety thing >but too small for a greyhound and too big for a whippet but NOT a lurcher) >and another dog friend for a walk and it was beautiful and then all of a >sudden it just blizzarded snow from absolutely NOWHERE.... Ah the beauty of >England.... > same here. we have a whit out. sevral ins in juts an hour. The dogs LOVE IT. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:32:39 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC >>some of my Favourite meals for really cold days.... these all have >>childhood memories attached to them and they never fail to remind me of us >>all sat round the dining table drooling.... >> >>1 Wall Pork Sausages, mashed potatoes and Heinz Baked Beans >>2 Birds Eye Cod Fish fingers with mashed potatoes and peas >>3 Cottage (shepherds) Pie with carrots and peas .. there will now be >>debate >>about whether cottage and shepherds pie are the same thing... Mashed potatoes and beans? I find this interesting.. two heavy duty carbs at one meal. Okay..Lucy and Colin.. what is porridge (sp?)? Bree are on my banned list! (allergic) >bw >colin _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:42:53 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: Those errant posters, njc > Les Irvin wrote: > > I think those topics add to the flavor of the list as a whole. > This is the only list I receive. Several people have mentioned it's the best list on the web, and also spoke about the Lee Shore (CSN) list. I have been reading that one for just a couple of days, not enough to get a definite opinion. So far it seems that the Lee Shore is very focused, which is OK if that's what one wishes, but perhaps too much to my own taste. The "flavor" just isn't the same (variety is the spice of life, isn't it?). I'm enjoying JMDL even more by comparison. Nothing more to add to Les' post about NJC. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:40:38 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: things that have to do with the JMDL (NJC) I'm glad you added kidding here, I was about to get my feelings hurt. I know you would have missed me had I not joined :) Kasey It's become clear that it's all the fault of the new JMDLers. I say: NO MORE NEW JMDLers, THEN! That would solve everything - wouldn't it? Lori, kidding of course : )Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:54:31 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: NJC food for cold cold days NJC This is an interesting thread, with all the different types of people on this list. Here are some of my favorites. 1) Cincinnati style chili 2) Tomato soup and grilled cheese 3) Pot Pies 4) Veggie soup 5) Liver and onions (if cooked right) mashed potatoes and spinach 6) Chicken and noodles 7) Lasagna (any time) I hate any thing that comes out of the water, fish of any kind, shrimp, lobster, etc., and go ahead and laugh Lori, but I don't like most fruit either. KaseyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:56:45 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: NJC one more thing on food NJC Will some of you post your favorite recipes so the rest of us can try them? KaseyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:41:37 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: such disrespect.... hi just sitting listening to the "remastered" version of CSNY's "so far" i see they misspelt the writer of woodstock. someone by the name of "jone mitchell" ron np - csny - suite judy blue eyes (classic!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:50:43 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: such disrespect.... In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:41:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, greerr@rav.co.za writes: > i see they misspelt the writer of woodstock. someone by the > name of "jone > mitchell" It could be worse, Ron...on one of the LP's I bought with a BSN cover they credit Judy Collins as the writer! :~O Also, there are a couple of Woodstock covers that appear on CSNY tributes, but I guess that's cool. The song IS associated with them after all, and it does send some royalty pennies Joni's way. Bob, with news of Volume #37 right around the virtual corner... NP: Green Day, "Stuart & The Ave." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:52:28 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Coco (Really NJC) Randy Remote wrote: >I have a jpg of Joni, Klein and Coco with Bernie Grundman, >mastering T'Log from Music Connection mag last fall. You mean a DOG mastered T'log? Hmmmm....could explain a few things... :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:56:56 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC > Mashed potatoes and beans? I find this interesting.. two heavy duty > carbs at one meal. Okay..Lucy and Colin.. what is porridge (sp?)? oast boiled in milk and the sugar added OR the old way is boiled inw ater with salt added. I know which I rpefer..... > > > Bree > > > > are on my banned list! (allergic) > >> bw >> colin > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:09:43 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC Bree wrote Mashed potatoes and beans? I find this interesting.. two heavy duty carbs > at one meal. Okay..Lucy and Colin.. what is porridge (sp?)? Mashed potatoes have to be piled into a mound with a huge dob of butter in it which is then concealed to "erupt" into the beans....... I DID say these were childhood things and carbs on a cold day are soooooo comforting... Yep load up with those carbs...... HOWEVER TO ANSWER THE LAST POINT....... Porridge is a torture designed by the Scots to slow down the English..... My daughter loves it..I hate it... You buy "oats" these are not the oats you give to horses but sort of white crushed things (like you use in Flapjacks? or is that another thing you don't know about.....or are flapjacks something else in the US and Canada...same language different perspective..ANY WAY Flapjacks here are..... oats, butter, golden syrup all mixed together and then smeared into a pan and baked.... YUMMMMMYYYYY) Take some oats.(Quaker Brand is the best known one).. not a lot (half a cup or less) cos they swell... put them in a pan.... Now here the company will divide.... there are those who say you add only water and salt... there are others who say you add MILK and a bit of butter.... I hate the stuff either way... You add enough water (or milk) to cover the oats and about half again and apply heat.... keep stirring the horrid stuff until it starts to congeal.. add more liquid until it is either runny or thick depending on your depravity..... You then turn the ghastly stodge into a bowl and top it with sugar or golden syrup or whatever..some people have it with peanut butter........others with jam or raisins or chocolate sauce...... I hate porridge because of its texture.... I have tried it smooth or stodgey and its horrible....BLEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH. Looks like sick.... Oats make a great addition to the crumble on Apple Crumble and wonderful on the crust of home baked bread... Hey, those of you in UK..ASDA are selling Pacific Bread makers for under #30.... I bought one today and I am going to try my first loaf tonight!!!! YUP MORE CARBS... Despite my raving about all the foods I fancied for todays weird weather (two whiteouts and another coming but not one speck of snow left to show for any of it......... I told you we have wierd weather) We will have chicken stirfry with noodles...... Now I am sure you are all feeling relieved!!!!! That ends the culinary bulleitein from OLD (real)Hampshire in OLD (real)England from Lucy (who has resisted the application of Stepford Wives apron despite her the domestic tone of her day!!!) Both dogs are asleep on the couches (Bad dogs.... Oh ..... Bad dogs) in my lounge and stir only to wag tails as I check on them and tell them to shift, and then they just go back to sleep!!! I want to be my dog in my next life, but then that would involve being conscious to two levels of existance and I find one hard enough! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:25:25 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC food for cold cold days NJC >This is an interesting thread, with all the different types >of people on this list. Here are some of my favorites. > >1) Cincinnati style chili I just read a survey they did for the Cincinnati's Enquirer food section discussing Cincy chili. I believe it was...59% of Cincinnatian's have Cincinnati chili once a month. I don't know of the percentage surveyed how many ordered the chili out or fixed it at home? But growing up..... we had it once a week. Saturday was my father's day to cook.. and chili is what he usually fixed. Bree >I hate any thing that comes out of the water, fish of any >kind, shrimp, lobster, etc., and go ahead and laugh Lori, but >I don't like most fruit either. >KaseyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:17:45 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: MarcAurele njc >From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" >To: >Subject: Really Hot >If Mitchell is reading any of this she is probably gagging on the stuff - >really hot - not Joni content - just plain what? Over time Mitchell has >gone out of her way in words and obviously in her lowkeyed lifestyle to >discourage anyone from being an idiot voyeur hoping for time with her in >the way we all love the most no doubt! >As to "settle for less than fascination" - She might have meant - recognize >this? No longer starry eyed in love and nothing fascinating >at all about >this person , drink some more and then be a capitalist - most of Mitchell >is a stream of consciousness of her own mind - damn I know where that is at >- should have put my own meanderings over all the angles that usual >ends up me not seeking the less than fascinating because it is all so > >contrived!!! >I am none the less amazed how some of you always have time to write - >can >you send your clock over here?! >Kisses S. S, I've got to say you have me curious about who you are. . . can you tell us a little about yourself? and anything astrological would be interesting also. . . Thanks, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:28:42 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC >>Mashed potatoes and beans? I find this interesting.. two heavy duty carbs >>at one meal. Okay..Lucy and Colin.. what is porridge (sp?)? > > >oast boiled in milk and the sugar added OR the old way is boiled inw ater >with salt added. I know which I rpefer..... Oatmeal! I thought maybe it was soup? >>Bree >> >> >>are on my banned list! (allergic) And I thought the conversation went so well? >>>bw >>>colin >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:35:33 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Coco (Really NJC) LOl! Cruel but good! (Bree..who loves T'log!) Bree >Randy Remote wrote: > >>I have a jpg of Joni, Klein and Coco with Bernie Grundman, >>mastering T'Log from Music Connection mag last fall. > >You mean a DOG mastered T'log? Hmmmm....could explain a few things... :) >-- >######################################################## >Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com >"The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com >"The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:42:55 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: MarcAurele njc I liked the way you put MarcAurele ..sweetie..Like SM wrote Mitchell.. Are you going to that meeting after school? I love you! I'll call you a few minutes tonight...in bed my eight..you cutie you... >From: "Marianne Rizzo" >Reply-To: "Marianne Rizzo" >To: joni-digest@smoe.org >Subject: MarcAurele njc >Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:17:45 -0500 > > >From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" > >To: > >Subject: Really Hot > > >>If Mitchell is reading any of this she is probably gagging on the stuff - >>really hot - not Joni content - just plain what? Over time Mitchell has >>gone out of her way in words and obviously in her lowkeyed lifestyle to >>discourage anyone from being an idiot voyeur hoping for time with her in >>the way we all love the most no doubt! > >>As to "settle for less than fascination" - She might have meant - >>recognize this? No longer starry eyed in love and nothing fascinating >at >>all about this person , drink some more and then be a capitalist - most >>of Mitchell is a stream of consciousness of her own mind - damn I know >>where that is at - should have put my own meanderings over all the angles >>that usual >>ends up me not seeking the less than fascinating because it is all so >> >contrived!!! > >>I am none the less amazed how some of you always have time to write - >can >>you send your clock over here?! > >>Kisses S. > > >S, >I've got to say you have me curious about who you are. . . can you tell us >a little about yourself? > > >and anything astrological would be interesting also. . . > >Thanks, >Marianne > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:53:05 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: nature/nurture njc - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:57 PM To: Joni@Smoe. Org Subject: nature/nurture njc are... however it seems to me that if this was able to be proven in some way that it is biological that this would help to quiet those who consider being gay/lesbian a choice & in the case of some religions something that is a sin...in theory anyway... Would be nice. But the church already has this one covered. That it is irrelevant how one became homosexual, it is acting upon it which is the sin. Pretty clever of them, n'est pas? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:38:25 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Down To You Yo Bob I read an interview after the TTT release where Joni was questioned about that technique in re: "the general offered no apologies". As I recall she said it was a theatrical device similar to ending a film with the same image. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:27:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC what is suet pudding? somebody's always eating or going to eat suet this or suet that in english novels, and then english nannies complain that you can't get suet in paris, etc.. i know what suet is. but i refuse to believe you make a dessert with suet. do you?!?! what's a spotted dick? a penis with a bad complexion? colin, thanks for the tip about adding a pinch a salt to custard! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Jueves, 30 de Enero de 2003 08:25 a.m. Para: Lucy Hone CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC >Sponge pudding with loads of golden syrup on it > even more yummy-tho I love suet puddings too. Likre Spotted Dick with custard. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:28:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: I've Had It Off NJC colin, you know i WANT to hear it. don't tease. send. w - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Jueves, 30 de Enero de 2003 08:29 a.m. Para: Joni Asunto: I've Had It Off NJC This morning I had my mole removed. It was so easy and totally painless tho it bled like hell. I told my gp a rude joke about why God gave women Thrush which perhaps wasn't the wisest thing to do when she had a scalpel so close to me..... (The joke is really rude so if you wnat to hear it,it will be private) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:40:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: food/beef cuts NJC but you eat all the same stuff as we eat here in argentina! amazing! i thought we were the only people that ate brains, tripe, sweetbreads, and all that morgue material. i love brains, sauteed in butter or breaded and fried. brains are a typical ravioli filling stuff here. tripe is absolutely beyond my endurance. i'd rather chew on a towel. but most people i know adore tripe stew, cold weather staple here. one thing i've noticed is that beef cuts are totally different in the us. are cuts in the uk different from those in the us? maybe we cut the british style here. wallyK, who finds escargots a great excuse to eat the sauce. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:42:27 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: E-mail interception (NJC) Mary P wrote: > 1) At least in the U.S., your employer will probably be found by law > to have the perfect, relatively unfettered right to monitor e-mail > sent or received on employer-owned equipment, and/or through an > employer-provided account. Which of you tech-savvy types knows whether email that is simply sent or received via an employer-owned computer (but not via an employer- provided account), particularly a networked computer, can be monitored/read? Curiously, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:46:33 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: FOOD FOR COLD COLD DAYS ABSOLUTELY NJC >> Okay..Lucy and Colin.. what is porridge (sp?)? > oast boiled in milk and the sugar added OR the old way is boiled in > water with salt added. I know which I rpefer..... And imo, McCann's Original Steel-cut Irish Oatmeal is best for porridge: http://www.mccanns.ie/pages/products.html Yum! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:48:25 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni + Don No. Don's with me now. Jerry kakki wrote: >Andrew asked: > > > > >>Are there any insiders on this list who know whether >>Joni and Don Freed are still an item? I'm curious if >>he too has joined the legions of Joni's ex-bows. >> >> > >When I met Joni and Coco ;-) with Stephen in around Sept. 2001, she told us >all about their then-recent break-up. I don't think they've gotten back >together because in an interview a few months ago she was saying she kind of >liked being unattached at this point. > >Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:51:41 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Real versus New (NJC) Lucy wrote: > That ends the culinary bulleitein from OLD (real)Hampshire in OLD > (real)England I love this!!! Real York, Real Jersey, Real Mexico ... Real Zealand?? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:55:58 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC one more thing on food NJC > Will some of you post your favorite recipes so the rest of us can try > them? Sure, although this is really a warm-weather concoction. Seacoast Salad 6 to 8 servings 1 7-1/4 oz package macaroni and cheese dinner (or approx. 3 servings leftover macaroni and cheese casserole) 1 8-1/2 oz can peas, drained (or same amount frozen or fresh peas, cooked & drained) 1 6-1/2 oz can tuna*, drained, flaked 1 cup mayonnaise or salad dressing 1 cup chopped celery 1/4 cup sweet pickle relish, drained 2 tsp. finely chopped onion dash of salt, pepper if desired *canned or fresh cooked shrimp, crab, or chicken may be substituted, but in my experience, tuna works best (Sorry, Hell!) Prepare dinner as directed. Add remaining ingredients; mix lightly. CHILL. Add additional mayonnaise or salad dressing before serving, if desired. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:14:06 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Those errant posters, njc Laurent wrote: > Several people have mentioned it's the best list on the web, and also spoke about the Lee Shore (CSN) list. > I have been reading that one for just a couple of days, not enough to get a definite opinion. > So far it seems that the Lee Shore is very focused, which is OK if that's > what one wishes, but perhaps too much to my own taste. The "flavor" just isn't the same > (variety is the spice of life, isn't it?). The Lee Shore is more focused around the music of CSN & sometimes Y and their affiliated musicians and friends like Joni, the Byrds, Poco, etc. The listmembers and listowners there have had their debates on other content and made the decision to stay pretty strictly on topic. It is a very different list from the JMDL and so is its flavor. To me it is like a supplemental source of information on Joni and those particular artists but not a replacement for the JMDL. You will find less range of opinion and intellectual discourse there. On the upside, Crosby, Pevar, sometimes Nash, their engineers and producers over the years and many other of the principals post to that list and when they do, the first hand accounts are really fascinating. It would be as if Joni, Joel Bernstein, Mr. Kratzman, Larry Klein, Sharon and Betsy posted to the JMDL occasionally with stories from the old days. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:15:01 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni + Don (probably njc) Congratulations Jerry! Another JMDL love connection! ;-) ;-) Kakki > No. Don's with me now. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:15:28 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Those errant posters, NJC At 09:14 AM 1/30/2003 -0800, kakki wrote: >The Lee Shore is more focused around the music of CSN & sometimes Y >listmembers and listowners there have had their debates on other content and >made the decision to stay pretty strictly on topic. The "Shore" has had its share of battles...they have a "three strikes" rule...when a post is deemed offensive the writer is given a first warning; the third incident results in expulsion, and the list gods are not hesitant to get rid of the perpetrator. Additionally, due to at times *intense* political discussion, a separate list was formed, the "Windward Shore," which is the designated forum for CSN/CSNY folks to go rant all they want. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:26:56 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: E-mail interception (NJC) Lori asked: > Which of you tech-savvy types knows whether email that is simply sent > or received via an employer-owned computer (but not via an employer- > provided account), particularly a networked computer, can be > monitored/read? I have been wondering the same thing. At the last two places I've worked, they banned having or accessing outside email accounts from the work computer. I forget some of their reasoning at this point, however. One of the reasons was what they thought there was a greater risk of receiving viral-infected downloads and spam from outside accounts. I can't see how reading hotmail off the internet could be written in stone on the company's system somewhere, but I guess the record of accessing the hotmail account, for instance, would be there - possibly leading to another subpoena for the hotmail email, but probably not neccessarily being as much of a direct liability problem. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #75 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)