From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #63 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 063 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Fw: If a man has a sex change......NJC [colin ] Bree's voice NJC [colin ] bent out of shape njc [colin ] RE: re first thing NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: turning gay njc ["kasey simpson" ] Re: first thing njc ["kasey simpson" ] Re: Bree's voice NJC ["kasey simpson" ] SEX CHANGE ["Lucy Hone" ] Video Tree #1 [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: NJC NJC NJC NJC [vince ] RE: re first thing NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: re first thing NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] RE: re first thing NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Bree's voice NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Bree's voice NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: turning gay njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] BLUE ["janine sherman" ] Re: turning gay njc [colin ] Re: Re: STANDARD oil [] re: Bob's epiphany "my old man"...and "for free" ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Did you buy a CD from 1995 thru 2ooo? NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Most things going on on the list NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Sex Kills, Blue Tapestry & Proto-Sex! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Most things going on on the list =?ISO-8859-1?B?oE5KQw==?= [Murphycop] Re: "Dark Side Of The Moon" to be re-release this year in SACDsurround-sound: , njc JMDL Digest V2003 #61 ["Ery] When did she stop? [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: "Dark Side Of The Moon" to be re-release this year in SACDsurround-sound: , njc JMDL Digest V2003 #61 ["Er] Re: Did you buy a CD from 1995 thru 2ooo? NJC [Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fw: If a man has a sex change......NJC > Losing your children and parent's love is no small >deal. > the problem lies with them, not with the person they rejected. > And then there is the social stigma and the difficulties it will >cause in your life. If a person weighs all that, and decides to 'become' > >the opposite sex, I support their decision to live their life as they >see fit. Just know it is a rocky path, to say the least. > I am sure they know this! The need to change is obviously verys trong or who would go thru all this? > > > >>I doubt veyr much that people go thru this because they desire sex! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:00:09 +0000 From: colin Subject: Bree's voice NJC Bree and I had a chat last night. She sounded quite normal to me! To me, her accent is a cross between north and south. Had i nt known where she was from, I would said she had a southern twag. I was a little worried tho about ther rection to my accent-I wouldn't wnat to turn a lesbian straight! It was great talking to you Bree and put a voice to the character. It is amazing how easy t is talk to someone one knows only thru email. The initial barriers of metting a 'stranger' are already over and done with. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:09:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: bent out of shape njc if youthink we can get uptight here on this list, you should read what is going on my knitting list right now! Everyone is up in arms over the cover picture of the latest knitting mag. Why? They think the model is ugly and her hair is awful. I don't know how they noticed as the garment she is modelling is just disgusting! My very first mail to this list caused a riot. You know how well I type? well I wrote about a tuck stitch garment I made and wrote 'fuck stitch'. well! some thought it hilarious but others got their knickers in a twist over it. It was then I relaised that the knittinglists are mainly blue hairs! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:47:18 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: re first thing NJC >>oh mike oh mike!!!!!! jon vickers! god incarnate! the most wonderful tristan and don jose in history. a man of such psychological and mystical depth that even hearing him on record makes go into a trance. and must have sung a million times at the liceu in barcelona. check him out, PLEASE!<< OK, Wally, I'll give him a try. I was only kidding, Catherine; my not knowing Jon Vickers is my ignorance and my loss, but this is less a problem of Canada but of (my) living in a country where 'trashy' US culture is seen by many, especially the young, as the type to acquire. My remark means he is no longer unknown to me and your response (and Wally's) to my comment has led me to a new name, for which I am happy. I'll send my comments when I have listened to the recordings. I just remembered that I like Michael Ignatiev too, another Canadian. >>wallyK, wishing he could hear you speak welsh and of course say the llan word. (but now i know how to pronounce the "ll" sound in welsh!!!!)<< How did you find out, and do you know how it's written phonetically? meic ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:00:02 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: turning gay njc Oh Bree, the second love in my life :) Hitting on you? I prefer the term smooth talking :) Does this mean you can no longer be an impartial judge? Did you really mean BITCH, or was that a typo for BUTCH? Now you know even though you SAID there was someone in your life you still invited me over for dinner, you big TEASE! Besides some people on this list believe we are one and the same, which I find funny. You are 5'10" dark brown hair, and fem. I'm 5'8" light brown, with blond frosted hair, and not fem at all. But, then maybe because we are both white with blue eyes. All lesbians look alike :) Kasey If you have such a wonderful relationship then why were you flirting with me ..BITCH? HUH?? Yeah..when you first joined this list...you were hitting on moi. Susan will back me up. >From: "kasey simpson" >Reply-To: "kasey simpson" >To: "colin" , "jmdl" >Subject: Re: turning gay njc >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:50:15 -0600 > >Colin, >You understand! My partner and I are starting on >our sixth wonderful year together. She is not a lesbian. >Never been with a woman before me. But the connection >between us is very powerful. I've never 'turned out' any one >before, and in the beginning we were both a little scared. She >told me then she wasn't gay and never would be. I have no fear >she will ever leave me, or doubt her love for me. But she likes guys. >She likes male bodies. She did not turn gay. But we do love each other >deeply, and have made commitments to a future together. She is >my fantasy come true............A REPUBLICAN :) just kidding. >Kasey > >Wally Kairuz wrote: > > >after all, can a heterosexual person > >*turn* gay? > >wallyK, amazed at all there is to learn about human feelings. > > > > > > >imo, no. (i don't lay it out as fact). >Being gay is much more than who you have sex with. >Men in isoaltion do have sex with eachtoher(prisons etc) but that does >not make them gay. >Hetero men rape the 'enemey'soldiers during war. it is do with power and >humilition-does not make them gay. > >I think that even now, many gay men marry and try their hardest to be >hetero. It usually does not work, causes much grief for all concerned. >Gay women too. >Being gay, depsite these so called liberal times, is still a difficult >life. who would choose it?(not that I would change it either). We are >still the one minority it is okay for all the others to dump on and it >is sanctioned by religion and state. We provide a valuable service for >all those sad people that need someone to hate or feel superior to. >bw >colinGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com The _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:05:41 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: first thing njc 1) answer the phone. I work second shift, and my partner calls me every morning to wake me up. 2) pee 3) let the dog out 4) pour a cup of coffee 5) let dog in 6) turn on pc 7) light a cig 8) read and answer e-mail 9) get dressed 10) go have lunch with my partner Kasey what do you do first thing upon waking? me: 1. turn on pc 2. pee 3. let dogs out 4. make coffee 5. feed dogs 6 drink coffee and have a fag and read /answer emailGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:15:34 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: Bree's voice NJC Colin, I'm not sure I would use the term NORMAL to describe Bree. I don't hear the southern accent, but then I'm also from Ohio. Now you need to meet her, and have her show you the hillbilly shuffle she does. This is a dance step she made up all on her own, well with a little help from Jack Daniels :) Kasey Bree and I had a chat last night. She sounded quite normal to me! To me, her accent is a cross between north and south. Had i nt known where she was from, I would said she had a southern twag. I was a little worried tho about ther rection to my accent-I wouldn't wnat to turn a lesbian straight! It was great talking to you Bree and put a voice to the character. It is amazing how easy t is talk to someone one knows only thru email. The initial barriers of metting a 'stranger' are already over and done with. bw colinGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:28:42 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: SEX CHANGE I wrote in the other day about a very very dear friend and the real living hell of him having been born into the wrong body. Gender dysmorphia is NOT ABOUT CHASING A SEXUAL FANTASTY, as Randy Remote wrote. It is not about a whim of cosmetic irritation with your body,like having a nose job or a tummy tuck.It is not some casual "HMMM wonder what its like to be a woman" idle wondering .... Gender dysmorphia is a real hell for the people it affects. Some of them never make the change, many of them commit suicide, some of them are physically enormous so even if they make the change, are never actually going to look like anything other than large men dressed as women, but with breasts and no penis. My friend is only 5'6" with size 6 feet and very slim, as a man she was not someone who was macho or very masculine but did all the things that macho guys do, car rally, drove buses, a great car mechanic and handi person and that is because (if you read about this condition) the man and women affected try to liveout the role they have been dealt... and they do try hard to live this lie convincingly....THAT IS THE LIE THEY LIVE, the life prior to reassignment surgery, not the life they live after it. Nobody undergoes that sort of surgery on any sort of whim....nor for any sort of sexual fantasy... As a woman, (we met up again yesterday) she is quiet, unobtrusive and utterly feminine. In the time we were friends prior to losing touch and "him" re-emerging as a woman, "He" was a wonderful friend, and great person to spend time with, but so unhappy and constantly trying to be someone that would never be "found out". As a woman, despite having lost the love of his parents and children (but not the support of any of his three ex-wives) she has found peace. We were talking yesterday about the fact that she has found love in the arms of another woman, but she said, "Actually its not about sex... its about acceptance, its about knowing I am loved for the woman I have always been, for the person I really am, and I realise that only women really understand the complexities of the female condition".. BUT PLEASE, understand (those who are in doubt,) this is not some freak show. Its not about SHEMALES or FEMALE IMPERSONATION or GETTING A LIFESTYLE or about pretending to be a woman to get sex from a man its truly about having all the emotional and mental make up of a woman trapped in the wrong body.. Put GENDER DYSMORPHIA into a search engine and read about it properly then maybe you will better understand the real problems that these people face. CAtching up on the digests as I styed with some friends in Wiltshire last night and came back to huge amounts of e-mails...thank you all who wrote.... Lucy Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:29:59 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Video Tree #1 I am interested in obtaining a copy of Video Tree #1 and would appreciate any assistance. Thank you. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:09:34 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC NJC NJC NJC You know Christopher, what I do not understand anymore is that you jumped on Suzanne . I used your exact terminology in reply and you call that "so persnikety about technicalities and attempting to make me feel like I'd done something wrong." All I did was use your exact two word phrase, horse shit, and flip it back to you. If your own words upset you so, why did you use them against Suzanne? And of course, I replied OFF LIST to keep it private, I did not reply to the JMDL simply to you and Suzanne. That was to keep it *not* going after you, but a private sharing of a thought. But you blast full away on the list. But I will again quote you and say, hey, back to you! "Let's keep our priorities in order, shall we? Over and Out." Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:30:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: re first thing NJC --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>oh I was only kidding, > Catherine; my not knowing Jon Vickers is my > ignorance and my loss, but this is less a problem of > Canada but of (my) living in a country where > 'trashy' US culture is seen by many, especially the > young, as the type to acquire. My remark means he is > no longer unknown to me and your response (and > Wally's) to my comment has led me to a new name, for > which I am happy. See, the thing is, the whole time I thought you were kidding anyway, since you referred to Jon Vickers as "she" and you ended your post with something goofy (Salmon chanted evening, or something like that.) I was under the impression that you knew *everything*. Everything trashy about the US culture is also the big thing here, so we get to be second-rate trashy on top of it all. My daughter listens to Jennifer Lopez and I feel the urge to slash one of my arteries or find a wall against which to bang my head on a fairly regular basis. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:47:37 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: re first thing NJC Hi Catherine, The only thing I'm sure about is that I know less than I would like to know. I don't see Canada as 'inferior' to the US, in fact most of my northamerican friends here are from Canada rather than the US, (Montreal, Toronto Island, Whitby, Ajax). Fine people, all of them and some of them feel a little embarrassed about the way Canada is treated by the US or by the way they themselves feel about their country. I wouldn't like to generalise that this is a common experience, but I would imagine that it is a similar feeling to the one the Welsh have about being next to big brother England. I'm sick and tired of having to explain the difference between the UK, GB and England. "So Wales is a kinda county of England?". Hell NO!, My original point about the comparative size of Canada and Wales was simply to show solidarity with a fellow country living in a big sister/little sister relationship. My comment about the musicians was intended to give Canadians a chance to trot out the names that they are proud of. I would have mentioned Oscar Peterson myself but forgot. I'm sure there are many great things about the country and although you are small in population, as we Welsh are, this doesn't imply small in talent, as you rightly mention. Except for Pamela Anderson, of course. mike in barcelona NP Sanougue Kouyate. Balendala Djibe. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Catherine McKay To: mike pritchard , wally kairuz CC: list Subject: RE: re first thing NJC Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:30:04 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from web14102.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.172.132]) by mc10-f2.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:30:04 -0800 Received: from [65.95.149.75] by web14102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:30:04 EST X-Message-Info: dHZMQeBBv44lPE7o4B5bAg== Message-ID: <20030126143004.19858.qmail@web14102.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Return-Path: anima_rising@yahoo.ca X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2003 14:30:04.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AE7A0F0:01C2C547] --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>oh I was only kidding, > Catherine; my not knowing Jon Vickers is my > ignorance and my loss, but this is less a problem of > Canada but of (my) living in a country where > 'trashy' US culture is seen by many, especially the > young, as the type to acquire. My remark means he is > no longer unknown to me and your response (and > Wally's) to my comment has led me to a new name, for > which I am happy. See, the thing is, the whole time I thought you were kidding anyway, since you referred to Jon Vickers as "she" and you ended your post with something goofy (Salmon chanted evening, or something like that.) I was under the impression that you knew *everything*. Everything trashy about the US culture is also the big thing here, so we get to be second-rate trashy on top of it all. My daughter listens to Jennifer Lopez and I feel the urge to slash one of my arteries or find a wall against which to bang my head on a fairly regular basis. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: re first thing NJC --- Mike Pritchard wrote: - --------------------------------- "I'm sure there are many great things about the country and although you are small in population, as we Welsh are, this doesn't imply small in talent, as you rightly mention. Except for Pamela Anderson, of course." She's big in the things that trashy US culture believes to be important. The whole thing makes sense, in its own way. I too am guilty of ignorance about so many things, things I've only figured out since joining the jmdl. For instance, it isn't always hot in Argentina - I always thought of it was an equitorial country (duh. Hi, Wally, if you're listening. It's cold here, you'd love it. Actually it's only about -6C which is balmy compared to last week, so I may go swimming.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:03:39 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bree's voice NJC It was wonderful talking to you! And what a nice voice you have. He's quite the charmer everyone. Oh..what a pity that we had to hang up..when we were just getting to the "dirt" about the list. ;-) Bree >Bree and I had a chat last night. She sounded quite normal to me! To me, >her accent is a cross between north and south. Had i nt known where she was >from, I would said she had a southern twag. >I was a little worried tho about ther rection to my accent-I wouldn't wnat >to turn a lesbian straight! >It was great talking to you Bree and put a voice to the character. It is >amazing how easy t is talk to someone one knows only thru email. The >initial barriers of metting a 'stranger' are already over and done with. >bw >colin _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bree's voice NJC --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > It was wonderful talking to you! And what a nice > voice you have. He's > quite the charmer everyone. Oh..what a pity that we > had to hang up..when we > were just getting to the "dirt" about the list. ;-) > Ooh - was it one of those "let's talk about people" kind of things? My sister Annie and I used to love doing that. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:17:08 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: turning gay njc Oh my! Outed by Susan ..now this. You shared my PRIVATE e-mail with the whole list!!?? >Oh Bree, the second love in my life :) Hitting on >you? I prefer the term smooth talking :) Does this >mean you can no longer be an impartial judge? Did >you really mean BITCH, or was that a typo for BUTCH? >Now you know even though you SAID there was someone in >your life you still invited me over for dinner, you big TEASE! >Besides some people on this list believe we are one and the >same, which I find funny. You are 5'10" dark brown hair, and >fem. I'm 5'8" light brown, with blond frosted hair, and not >fem at all. But, then maybe because we are both white with >blue eyes. All lesbians look alike :) >Kasey > >If you have such a wonderful relationship then why were you flirting with >me >..BITCH? HUH?? Yeah..when you first joined this list...you were hitting >on >moi. Susan will back me up. > > > > > > > >From: "kasey simpson" > >Reply-To: "kasey simpson" > >To: "colin" , "jmdl" > >Subject: Re: turning gay njc > >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:50:15 -0600 > > > >Colin, > >You understand! My partner and I are starting on > >our sixth wonderful year together. She is not a lesbian. > >Never been with a woman before me. But the connection > >between us is very powerful. I've never 'turned out' any one > >before, and in the beginning we were both a little scared. She > >told me then she wasn't gay and never would be. I have no fear > >she will ever leave me, or doubt her love for me. But she likes guys. > >She likes male bodies. She did not turn gay. But we do love each other > >deeply, and have made commitments to a future together. She is > >my fantasy come true............A REPUBLICAN :) just kidding. > >Kasey > > > >Wally Kairuz wrote: > > > > >after all, can a heterosexual person > > >*turn* gay? > > >wallyK, amazed at all there is to learn about human feelings. > > > > > > > > > > >imo, no. (i don't lay it out as fact). > >Being gay is much more than who you have sex with. > >Men in isoaltion do have sex with eachtoher(prisons etc) but that does > >not make them gay. > >Hetero men rape the 'enemey'soldiers during war. it is do with power and > >humilition-does not make them gay. > > > >I think that even now, many gay men marry and try their hardest to be > >hetero. It usually does not work, causes much grief for all concerned. > >Gay women too. > >Being gay, depsite these so called liberal times, is still a difficult > >life. who would choose it?(not that I would change it either). We are > >still the one minority it is okay for all the others to dump on and it > >is sanctioned by religion and state. We provide a valuable service for > >all those sad people that need someone to hate or feel superior to. > >bw > >colinGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com >The > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailGet more from the Web. >FREE >MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:27:41 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: BLUE I love the "Bob's art" moniker and chuckle like crazy at your numerical rankings. I can't do it, I have tried but 6 mo. later I change it. Just your point. What are you an actuary? HEHE Blue is the only song I ever memorized on piano. I will have to give it try again. I got it back all in one piece a while ago. Thanks for the prompt return. Those lyrics......... Blue songs are like tattoos You know I've been to sea before Crown and anchor me Or let me sail away Hey Blue, here is a song for you Ink on a pin Underneath the skin An empty space to fill in Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs lots of laughs Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though Blue I love you Blue here is a shell for you Inside you'll hear a sigh A foggy lullaby There is your song from me Janine NP: Paprika Plains DJRD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:02:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: turning gay njc kasey simpson wrote: >Besides some people on this list believe we are one and the >same, which I find funny. > .okay, okay, I might as well confess, I am sure to slip up anyway and let th cat out of the bag. Kasey and Bree are BOTH made up people. i thought I'd reinvent myself as a lesbian woman and when it worked so well with with one, i thought, 'why not try two'. so i did. Oh and Vince is me too. Now that one is pretty good, don't you think? a gay joni loving rapping Bishop? I thought it was pretty clever. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:35:48 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: STANDARD oil Dear SUSAN (and ALL): I wasn't suggesting that folks couldn't/shouldn't cover ANY of La Joni's songs -- the more the merrier, as far as I'm concerned. What I was trying to get at was this: that a true "standard" tends to be less personal, more universal -- like MY FUNNY VALENTINE, say, or STORMY WEATHER; BOTH SIDES NOW, BIG YELLOW TAXI and CIRCLE GAME; or, God forbid, FEELINGS and YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE. There's a kind of easy-to-grasp simplicity to them. That's what I perceive a standard to be, in the strictest sense. But then, what do I know? ;-) MICHAEL P.S. I've always wondered why JERICHO hasn't been covered (to my knowledge). I think it so beautifully captures a modern, universal sentiment. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:15:40 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Bob's epiphany "my old man"...and "for free" Bob, thanks for sharing your experience of learning to play "My Old Man" on the piano. That song is amazing and those lyrics- how do you top "the bed's too big, the frying pan's too wide" ? I've always loved and wanted to play the song "For Free" on the piano. I've never had piano lessons before, but a couple months ago I thought-what the heck - I've taught myself guitar without lessons, surely I can teach myself piano. So I printed out Howard Wright's piano transcription and went over to my dear, patient friend's house where there is a piano. After learning the gist of it, I was absolutely amazed by the beauty of it all. With the right hand, you only have to use 2 fingers and keep them the same distance apart while moving up and down the keyboard. It's so easy! Leave it to Joni to find something so simple, yet so incredibly beautiful at the same time. If there are any other non-piano players out there who have also had a craving to play "For Free" on the piano, I encourage you to try it! All you need is a little patience, a cheat sheet that tells you the notes on the piano, then plot out the notes from Howard's transcription to the piano keys and "magic" will happen! Mia _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:17:45 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Thank you for your support Treacle - cloying flattery - that lady from new jersey will never be accused of that! thanks for your kindnesses - we grow from Mitchell and hey any other person lunatic enough to go against the tide to see what it will do! have fun until my next eruption! S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:54:30 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Did you buy a CD from 1995 thru 2ooo? NJC IF so..there has been a class action lawsuit settlement. The suit was brought because of the big boys price fixing. Anyway..you don't have to show proof or anything that you purchased a cd between those dates given. Go to ..MusicCDsettlement.com to claim your twenty $$. Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:10:09 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: turning gay njc On Saturday, Jan 25, 2003, at 10:41 Europe/London, colin wrote: > Being gay, depsite these so called liberal times, is still a difficult > life. who would choose it?(not that I would change it either). We are > still the one minority it is okay for all the others to dump on and it > is sanctioned by religion and state. We provide a valuable service for > all those sad people that need someone to hate or feel superior to. It's not just that, but the whole gay culture thing is, in itself, fundamentally screwed up as far as I'm concerned. For the most part, too much emphasis is placed on sex, and not enough on love. Gay life is littered with commitment-o-phobes, lurching from one short-term fling to another, too scared to *feel* (no sniggering at the back), too scared to commit. And, of course, assuming you are predisposed to admit to your emotions, to actually examine your feelings, to actually commit to someone should the right situation arise, where the hell do you find them? Straight people, for the most part, can pretty much guarantee to run across people they like, and perhaps want to like more, through the course of their everyday life. Gay people don't have that option open to them in reality. So they have to go seek out other gay people through the Internet, clubs, bars, etc, where we wind back around to the whole sex first, "hello, do you actually have a brain or intellect" second thing. Bollocks to that. So, while I wouldn't change what I am (I like the male form too much for that), I would agree with Colin that it is indeed hard, especially if you fear spending life alone in the "deep, meaningful, loving connection" sense. Oh, and don't forget that gay men (in particular) have the whole body fascism thing to deal with in spades. If you're not a complete adonis, then you have to fall back on the stuff that really matters: personality, humour, sensitivity, and so on. Of course, in an environment where all *that* doesn't matter until the next morning, if you're lucky, then it all starts to look like a vicious circle. Which it is. Welcome to the inner workings of my mind... :) - --Chris Marshall (a bit drunk, and a bit sensitive about this stuff) chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer", http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:23:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Did you buy a CD from 1995 thru 2ooo? NJC The fine print- They have $67 million to distribute. Depending on the amount of claimants, you could recieve a check for between $5 and $20. However, if the amount drops below $5, there will be no cash paid to individuals at all, but instead will be donated to "not-for- profit, charitable, governmental or public entities in each state, territory and possession, to be used for music-related purposes or programs." My own conspiracy theory is that they made sure that no proof of purchase would be required to make a claim, insuring lots of claims. That way, they could set up some kind of a non-profit and pay the money (or at least part of it) out to themselves masked as some other legal configuration. The upside-unlike the lottery, it costs you nothing to register a claim, and they promise they will not sell your name to spammers. RR ps conspiracy theory pt 2: Besides the cash settlement, they will be required to distribute CD's to schools, libraries, etc to the tune of $76 million. I predict they will count every CD they give away as list price ($18) even though they cost about a buck each to make. And I wouldn't be too shocked if they found a way not to pay the artists for these freebies. Bree Mcdonough wrote: > IF so..there has been a class action lawsuit settlement. The suit was > brought because of the big boys price fixing. Anyway..you don't have to > show proof or anything that you purchased a cd between those dates given. > > Go to ..MusicCDsettlement.com to claim your twenty $$. > > Bree > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:31:16 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Did you buy a CD from 1995 thru 2ooo? NJC pps when I tried to register (through 2 different browsers, no less) I got a page saying that it wasn't working, to try again tomorrow. conspiracy theory #3 Put up a non operational website. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:32:10 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Sex Kills, Blue Tapestry & Proto-Sex! Hi 1. On BBC Radio 2 today the guest of Clive Andersen (sitting in for Michael Parkinson) was jazz singer, Claire Martin choosing 3 favourite tracks. Her third pick was Sex Kills from T'log. Andersen (jerk) expressed surprise that a jazz singer would pick Joni - he's probably heard nothing since Blue... One of her other picks was Mile Davis (Blues & Green), I didn't catch the other. 2. Any other jmdl'ers in the North West of England? On Saturday April 12th, Chris While & Julie Matthews are doing their 'Blue Tapestry' show - - a celebration of the songs of Carole King & Joni - at Southport Arts Centre. Chris & Julie are fine singer-songwriters in their own right and their band comprises various Fairport/Tull/Albion/Thompson luminaries. THIS IS NOT A TRIBUTE SHOW - it's genuine musicians reinterpreting songs they love. Thought it might be a good opportunity for local list correspondents to say 'hi' to each other? Tickets are #10 (#8 concessions), box office 01704 540011. Drop me a line if you're coming.. [... ok, I confess a vested interest; I'm Marketing Manager at Southport Arts Centre! But I'm a Joni Mitchell fan first!....] 3. ... ok, my 'epiphany'... heard 'Boho Dance' on the Kid Jensen Show, Radio 1 circa 1977 - can you think of a less typical song to serve as an intro to Joni? Then went babysitting with a girlfriend and the people she was sitting for had HOSL - probably a subconscious association between Joni's music and sweet teenage proto-sex has lived with me ever since! I didn't love it immediately (the album!... I loved the proto- sex!) but I was intrigued enough to buy it. In fact, to this day I remain suspicious of any Joni album I like on first hearing (C&S is the only one I remember responding to that way - its not a favourite now..). Anyway, of course I grew to love HOSL and it is a favourite still. Mingus was the first release I remember actively waiting for - prior to that I was catching up on the back catalogue. I love Mingus and, personally, wish Joni had travelled a little further down that road. I only saw Joni once in concert - Wembley, 1983? - I was in love with a girl at university who shared my enthusiasm for Joni but, instead of inviting her to come to the concert with me, I invited the old girlfriend of proto-sex days; a sentimental, nostalgic gesture but a big mistake (sigh!). Hey, has Joni played a formative role in anyone else's love-life? OK, let me rephrase that; has Joni NOT played a formative role in anyone else's love-life?! John - -- John Sprackland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: turning gay njc --- Chris Marshall wrote: > the whole gay culture thing > is, in itself, > fundamentally screwed up as far as I'm concerned. > For the most part, > too much emphasis is placed on sex, and not enough > on love. Gay life > is littered with commitment-o-phobes, lurching from > one short-term > fling to another, too scared to *feel* (no > sniggering at the back), > too scared to commit. > Welcome to the inner workings of my mind... :) > > --Chris Marshall (a bit drunk, and a bit sensitive > about this stuff) > Awwwww. Joni said it so well: "You're bound to lose If you let the blues get you scared to feel." We all love you just the way you are. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:47:48 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Most things going on on the list NJC Patrick wrote to me.... a virtual pub. great idea. when i first joined this list almost six years > ago, an early lister julie z. webb and i used to talk about this strange new > shape for a community. people have been connecting this way for a while > now, but the novelty of it still amuses me, and the possible depth of it > often amazes me. thanks for reminding me. > > now about that lesbian flirting... eww.... > > patrick, a secret lesbian My reply Thanks for you mail and for letting me feel I am not totally alone in the way I think..To comment on your last few lines..... I am not a secret lesbian or even a lesbian at all...... I am hetero and thinking of going to some sort of "Hetero Pride" to encourage me to express my sexuality with out feeling ashamed !!!!! I feel I am part of a minority on the list.... does that entitle me to government funding, can I maybe get a grant to study the effect of conforming to society's narrow viewpoint? Ooh how much to ask for ...how much is that worth? Hmmmmm (thinks with fingers wriggling in a miserly sort of way) Can I get anger management for my longing to hit people who are judgemental, who would not dream of walking a mile in anyone else's shoes in case they got a verucca or worse still, the shoes were unfashionable? What I like about the list though is the amazing cross section of everyone and all brought together because of a liking/loving/passionate feeling for Joni's music... I have never had so many wonderful mails from unknown people and every day and there is always something to spark my brain into life.... I am a fundraiser for a large children's charity and so work from home when not press ganging students into wringing money from their parents....It can be isolating so you make my day that much brighter and I don't feel so lonely......... I have a horrible cold by the way and am going to bed clutching a glass of whisky with hot lemon and honey.....anyone got any other cold remedies? Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:22:54 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Did you buy a CD from 1995 thru 2ooo? NJC In a message dated 1/26/2003 4:34:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > conspiracy theory #3 > Put up a non operational website. > It worked fine for me...I did it in reference to an article in today's paper that said that lots of this money was going to go undistributed because people weren't signing up. While I truly believe in conspiracies, I don't think is one of them. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:24:09 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: turning gay njc Chris Marshall wrote: > On Saturday, Jan 25, 2003, at 10:41 Europe/London, colin wrote: > >> Being gay, depsite these so called liberal times, is still a >> difficult life. who would choose it?(not that I would change it >> either). We are still the one minority it is okay for all the others >> to dump on and it is sanctioned by religion and state. We provide a >> valuable service for all those sad people that need someone to hate >> or feel superior to. > > > It's not just that, but the whole gay culture thing is, in itself, > fundamentally screwed up as far as I'm concerned. Chris-there is not a 'gay culture'. Oh yes, there is the club scene, and the 'queer as folk' type thing but that is NOT the whole gay thing. There are other ways to meet gay men. Admittedly, one has to look them out-clubs, book groups etc. There are PLENTY of gay men who want love and committment and to whom looks are not the number one priority. The thing about the gay scene-it is populated by so many people who have a low self image, where physical beauty and sex mask that feeling and the longing for real love. It becomes an addiction at least whilst one can still pass as young and beautiful! Apart formt hat, society makes it very very difficult for gay men to meet and to stay together. I cannot imagine the difficulty there might have been for John and I if I had a career path of my own. How would we have managed that? What you are looking for IS out there. If you have it to give, there will be someone who wants it. As you know, Johna nd I have been together almost 22 years now. Niether of us liked the 'scene' and in fact didn't bother with it after a while. Yet we still met. Whilst in a way it is good that gay people get such exposure now thu tv etc it is very sad, and I think not good, that all that gets portrayed is the 'queer as folk ' club scene and one night stands and fickle relationships. Life for many gay people is not like that. Most gay people want just what you want. I ahve yet to see a 'normal' gay couple portrayed on film or tv or anywhere really. But you are right, there is a gay scene that is flawed, that revolves around sex and drugs and music. Just like it does for many str8 people too. But it isn;t all like that. you have to search in different ways. The problem is NOT that there is something wrong with you. to me, unless one is really lucky, looking for love and committment in a sex and drugs dominated scene is liking trying to find water in the Sahara. love colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:26:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sex Kills, Blue Tapestry & Proto-Sex! In a message dated 1/26/2003 4:34:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, john@sprackland.demon.co.uk writes: > [... ok, I confess a vested interest; I'm Marketing Manager at Southport > Arts Centre! But I'm a Joni Mitchell fan first!....] > I'll chime in with a thumbs up for Blue Tapestry. I've got a copy of their CD and it's excellent all the way through - the King & the Joni stuff! And they do some inspired selections! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:10:43 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Most things going on on the list =?ISO-8859-1?B?oE5KQw==?= Lucy writes: << I am hetero and thinking of going to some sort of "Hetero Pride" to encourage me to express my sexuality with out feeling ashamed !!!!! >> Me: But if you really want your Hetero Pride celebration to be a smash, Lucy, you're going to *have* to call in the staple-gun fairies for the floats and costumes . . . Lucy: << I feel I am part of a minority on the list.... does that entitle me to government funding >> Me: In a word, Lucy, no. But you are welcome to use the JMDL Dating Club to find your ideal mate -- a kind, sensitive and soulful partner who lives thousands of miles away. Lucy: << Can I get anger management for my longing to hit people >> Me: Whatever for? The object of our affection is a maid kicker and frequent recording industry basher! Lucy: << What I like about the list though is the amazing cross section of everyone and all brought together because of a liking/loving/passionate feeling for Joni's music... >> Me: And you've gotta love the cash and generous gift certificates Les sends to his favorite listers! (Can't thank you enough, Les!) Welcome, Lucy! Hope your cold is better in the morning. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:23:42 -0000 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Re: "Dark Side Of The Moon" to be re-release this year in SACDsurround-sound: , njc JMDL Digest V2003 #61 I saw an article recently stating that the only advantage of SACD over DVDA was the compatability issue. i.e. they can make one disc which will play in a CD player or an SACD player. The SACD system uses a technique known a DSD (direct steam digital) which is different to the PCM (pulse code modulation) used for CD and DVD. The players then use a technique called Super Bit Mapping which they claim improves the transparency and musicality of the sound. A counter claim is that in doing so it generates a lot of distortion. The claim was that DVDA was a basically superior medium (but then so was Beta video). The main problem at the moment is that no trully high quality DVDA players are made at a price which most punters are likely to pay. (a complete Meridian system is around the price of a car! but for a review check out http://www.avguide.com/newsletter/2003.01/meridian.jsp) the audio section of current DVD players is quite poor and the main reason they sound better than CD is that the DVDA system carries much higher quality in the first place. At the moment I have more pressing needs so surround will have to wait until quality hardware becomes affordable. I'm skeptical about the idea of listening to music whilst apparently being sat in the middle of the band. It brings back memories of early HI FI nuts who listened to recordings of passing trains just because it demonstrated stereo. Eryl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:56:52 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: When did she stop? I put on O&M from T'log today while a friend was visiting. She listened for awhile and asked me who it was. When I told her it was Joni, my friend said, "When did she stop being white?" For what it's worth, my friend is a 50-ish, smart, cultured, multiracial -- Ancestors from four contintents! -- jazz lover and cigarette smoker. She isn't a big Joni fan but she loves Joni's 'new' voice. Poor Joni. I don't think people are even getting a chance to hear T'log unless one of us plays it for them . . . and we don't all exactly love it anyway. I wonder if Joni will really climb into that box of paints now that T'log hasn't been a megahit with anyone, from the public to the critics to her own fans. And yet, if T'log had been released by any new artist, it would have been hailed as the CD of the 21st century. (Sure, that's kind of a stupid thing to say since T'log is a career retrospective and no *new* artist could do that, but you know what I mean.) One more thing: I showed my friend the little T'log booklet of Joni paintings and she commented, "They're nice, but no one would ever see them if they weren't Joni Mitchell's." - --Bob (Proudly posting to the Joni Mitchell Discussion List during the Super Bowl. How gay is that?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:54:10 -0000 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Re: "Dark Side Of The Moon" to be re-release this year in SACDsurround-sound: , njc JMDL Digest V2003 #61 I've found the link to the SACD v DVD article http://sound.westhost.com/cd-sacd-dvda.htm It takes some reading but if you have the patience it's a real eye opener (or should I say ear opener) Eryl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:45:22 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Did you buy a CD from 1995 thru 2ooo? NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > It worked fine for me...I did it in reference to an article in today's > paper that said that lots of this money was going to go undistributed > because people weren't signing up. > While I truly believe in conspiracies, I don't think is one of them. conspiracy theory #4 Bob Muller is working for .....them ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:54:02 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Dark Side Of The Moon" to be re-release this year in SACDsurround-sound: , njc JMDL Digest V2003 #61 Eryl B Davies wrote: > I saw an article recently stating that the only advantage of SACD over DVDA > was the compatability issue. i.e. they can make one disc which will play in a > CD player or an SACD player. The SACD system uses a technique known a DSD > (direct steam digital) which is different to the PCM (pulse code modulation) > used for CD and DVD. The players then use a technique called Super Bit Mapping > which they claim improves the transparency and musicality of the sound. A > counter claim is that in doing so it generates a lot of distortion. The claim > was that DVDA was a basically superior medium (but then so was Beta video). > The main problem at the moment is that no trully high quality DVDA players are > made at a price which most punters are likely to pay. Not to mention 5 speakers and a sub ain't cheap, either. And a hefty 5 channel amp, and an acoustically decent room....I drift off... > (a complete Meridian > system is around the price of a car! but for a review check out > http://www.avguide.com/newsletter/2003.01/meridian.jsp) the audio section of > current DVD players is quite poor and the main reason they sound better than > CD is that the DVDA system carries much higher quality in the first place. > At the moment I have more pressing needs so surround will have to wait until > quality hardware becomes affordable. I'm skeptical about the idea of listening > to music whilst apparently being sat in the middle of the band. It brings back > memories of early HI FI nuts who listened to recordings of passing trains just > because it demonstrated stereo. Good points. I liked those "stereo demonstration" records, especially the ping-pong in stereo. 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