From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #56 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 056 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: THE YES CHORUS (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC [Catherine McKay ] Favorite Joni look [Steve Dulson ] RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka ["Lori Fye" ] Re: speaking english NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: drew NJC ["Lori Fye" ] RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka ["Jerry Notaro" ] RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka [Murphycopy@aol.com] cover art njc I think... [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Sarah sl.m@shaw.ca JMDL Digest V2003 #54 ["Eryl B Davies" JMDL Digest V2003 #54 ["Eryl B Davies" ] RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka ["Lori Fye" ] Re: speaking english NJC ["Lori Fye" ] RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka ["Lori Fye" ] trying to get whales to speak english NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joke about Wales and phonetics NJC sl.m@shaw.ca JMDL Digest V2003 #55 ["Eryl B Davies" ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Sarah sl.m@shaw.ca JMDL Digest V2003 #54 [Catherine McKay ] Re: speaking english NJC ["Lori Fye" ] RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Favorite Joni look [colin ] Re: speaking english NJC [colin ] Re: Favorite Joni look ["chuty001" ] Shadows and Light DVD ["Benjamin Pearce" ] Re: Shadows & Light DVD [Randy Remote ] Re: THE YES CHORUS (NJC) [Ricw1217@aol.com] Shakey, Neil & Joni [Randy Remote ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: discussion on abortion (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: trying to speak english in Wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians [sl.m@sh] NJC New Steely Dan on the way ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: voice (njc) ["kasey simpson" ] Re: speaking english NJC ["courtandspark@earthlink.net" ] Dreams and seeing the future NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Ohio accents, Very NJC ["kasey simpson" ] Today's Library Links: January 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: njc terminology (beware not fluffy subject) ["kasey simpson" ] Re: Joke about Wales and phonetics NJC ["mike pritchard" Subject: re: THE YES CHORUS (njc) --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > In a word, "huh?" > > Either I've had too much wine or not enough... > Not enough. There is never enough. Drink up now, it's getting on time to close. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:21:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC --- kasey simpson wrote: > Well Sarah, it's 2 degrees Fahrenheit here in Ohio > and > no I'm not taking credit for that, even the wind > leaves > Canada to come to the USA :) > Kasey Couldn't be from Canada. We speak Celsius here. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC --- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > And in defence of my adopted country, Canada has not > only produced > Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen, but also...: I could be mistaken but I think Andrea Martin is American, but she moved to Canada around the time of the Second City TV show (maybe before - she could have been in a Canadian production of "Hair" or whatever. (And it's Lorne Green(e), not Lauren!) > > I can recite these names like an incantation because > Canadians are > forever talking about them. Watch television or > listen to music here > and it's: "he's Canadian", "oh look, Canadian" and > "hey, bet you > didn't know that she's Canadian, eh!" and so on. You're right. It's embarassing, eh? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:34:55 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NJC Someone stole the kishka The Rev wrote: >You know that no one not ethnic will have no idea who Frankie Yankovic >is, let alone songs about kishka... Yo, Vince, whaddaya mean I ain't et'nic? My buddy Bob Franke explained all that stuff when he wrote "Acid Polka" - sample lyrics: "When Bill Winiewski's nephew cam back home from San Francisca, He looked a little goofy as he dug into the kiszka. He passed around some candy to the band and all the crowd, The crowd got awful rowdy and the band got awful loud ... Was Stosh Winiewski chewing mints, or was he chewing coca? It gets a little hazy when you do the Acid Polka." Hey, AND I dance a mean polka, too! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:36:42 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Favorite Joni look Ok, Ok, before that filthy swine Scott Price beats me to it (talk about a dirty old man!) I have to say that the inside of FTR is the look *I* treasure. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:09:53 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka > You know that no one not ethnic will have no idea who Frankie > Yankovic is I'm *only* German, Dutch, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh (and maybe a little bit Spanish and French), but anyone who grew up within 50 miles of Cleveland during the '60s watched at least one episode of "Polka Varieties." EVERYONE "back home" knows who Frankie Yankovic was! He was "America's Polka King"!! A less-known fact is that Frankie was also Weird Al's dad. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:11:31 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC > Oh... come on now Lori! There is, of course, no "JMDL-Cleveland" > list. You'll have to settle for joining the "JMDL-Ohio" list instead. With Bree and Kasey? We'd just be fightin' about Bush all the time! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:13:19 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: drew NJC > well, believe it or not, i DO look a little like drew carey. to my > chagrin... Wally, I've seen you in person. You do. NOT!!! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:17:45 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka Sorry. Not true. But widely believed to be so. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Fye [mailto:lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:10 PM To: vince; Fauchja@aol.com; Jerry Notaro; joni@smoe.org Cc: sherman@netrax.net Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka A less-known fact is that Frankie was also Weird Al's dad. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:18:13 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: speaking english NJC Lori Fye wrote: > We'd just be fightin' about Bush all the >time! ; ) > > > There is no reason to fight about Bush other than to decide which match is the best. http://deoxy.lycaeum.org/chimp/index.pl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:25:14 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka Lori writes: << A less-known fact is that Frankie was also Weird Al's dad. >> And aren't Frankie and his band also featured in "Goundhog Day?" I am pretty sure they are the polka band at the groundhog site, and because Feb. 2 is lived over and over again in the movie, they are seen quite a few times. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:27:25 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: cover art njc I think... > Blonde on the Tracks? That would actually be a pretty good title for a record... or perhaps even a Dylan cover band. Imagine the cover art, too. I think the cover art would look something like the cover of "Misses" lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:50:02 -0000 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Sarah sl.m@shaw.ca JMDL Digest V2003 #54 Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC JMDL Digest V2003 #54 Sarah sl.m@shaw.ca wrote "And in defence of my adopted country, Canada has not only produced Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen, but also: Alanis Morrisette, Neil Young, Avril Lavine, Paul Anka, Gordon Lightfoot, Shania Twain, Bruce Cockburn, Ian Tyson, Burton Cummings, Celine Dion, Sarah McLaughlin, Anne Murray, Bare Naked Ladies, Donald Sutherland, Kiefer Sutherland, Leslie Nielson, John Candy, Martin Short, Andrea Martin, Robert Goulet, Raymond Burr, Dan Aykroyd, Glenn Ford, Michael J. Fox, Mike Myres, Matthew Perry, Christopher Plummer, Jason Priestley, Keanu Reeves, Jim Carey, Lauren Green the actor that played Ben Cartwright in Bonanza, and the great William Shatner, the original Captain Kirk of Star Trek." Are you realy proud to connect yourself with all of those names? Eryl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:29:53 -0000 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Re: speaking english VLJC "mike pritchard" JMDL Digest V2003 #54 Mike - you forgot Rhys Ifans, Ioan Gruffudd, The Superfurry Animals, the late Catatonia, Bryn Terfel, Griff Rhys Jones, Nicole Cook, Joe Calzaghe and a number whose names I can't remember at the moment. And in case the Yanks have forgot their past I have heard that Abraham Lincoln was of Welsh decent. And so, unfortunately, was Murry the Hump. Eryl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:30:53 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Favorite Joni look Dressed as the brother on the cover of DJRD. Well, okay. Maybe that's my second favorite. First - far and away - is the cover of "The Complete Poems and Lyrics." http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0609600087.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:34:30 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka Jerry, re "Weird Al": > Sorry. Not true. > But widely believed to be so. Well, color me embarrassed! You're right. I should've checked my FAQs first! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:40:42 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC That explains a lot, especially the framed photo of Bonzo in the Texas Capitol when Bush was governor. All this time, Bush thought it was Reagan ... > There is no reason to fight about Bush other than to decide which > match is the best. > > http://deoxy.lycaeum.org/chimp/index.pl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:42:47 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka > And aren't Frankie and his band also featured in "Goundhog Day?" Frankie and his band? Or Al and his band? I haven't seen that movie often enough to remember. Lori, suddenly hungry for kishka ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:47:44 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: trying to get whales to speak english NJC Shamu, say "Sea World sucks." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:48:13 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: trying to get whales to speak english NJC Oops, sorry. Wrong list. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:52:12 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka I wrote: << And aren't Frankie and his band also featured in "Goundhog Day?" >> Then Lori answered with: Frankie and his band? Or Al and his band? Now me again: FRANKIE AND HIS BAND, DAMN IT!!! FRANKIE ! ! ! Why are you treating me like a retiree, Lori? FRANKIE AND HIS DAMN BAND ! ! ! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:55:17 +0000 From: "Count Husten-Tousser" Subject: NJC, so there I hate John K. Toole. His writing, that is. He didn't seem to have much of a grasp on reality. For instance, if someone comes into the movie theater you work at & causes trouble EVERY SINGLE WEEK, you don't kick him out every time, you BAN him....... J. K. Toole did do one thing I wish every antiabortion type would do, namely kill himself....Hey, if you want to make room for all the new babies you want to be born, GO FOR IT...... I'm here because my mom had a miscarriage, then had me.... Hey anti-choice types: Have you thought about how many Americans born since '73 are ON EARTH NOW only 'cause their moms had a LEGAL abortion, then had them? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:55:24 -0000 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Re: Joke about Wales and phonetics NJC sl.m@shaw.ca JMDL Digest V2003 #55 >Two tourists were driving through Wales. > >As they were approaching >Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob-wllllantysiliogogogoch, they >started arguing about the pronunciation of the town's name. > >They argued back and forth until they stopped for lunch. > >As they stood at the counter, one tourist asked the blonde employee, >"Before we order, could you please settle an argument for us? Would >you please pronounce where we are... very slowly?" > >The girl leaned over the counter and said, > >"Burrrrrrrr, gerrrrrrr, Kiiiiing." I don't think there is a B.K. within fifty miles of Llanfair P.G. An oral joke: Q. How do you get to Wales in a car? A. One in the front and one in the back. Eryl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:55:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians NJC --- Mags N Brei wrote: > and of course I failed to mention our very own > Catherine McKay in Toronto Ontariariarioooooo so > sorry m'dear...a thousand apologies to you!!!! you > shine in the spot light for sure. thanks for the > reminder Wahwah. > Bah. People are always forgetting about me. You get used to it after a while. Waaaah. Not really. It's the price you pay for being a middle child, I think. My Dad used to do the Charlie Chan thing and call us Number One Child, Number Two child and so on. I was number three no matter which way you went - not even second best! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:59:05 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Favorite Joni look At 04:36 PM 1/23/2003 -0800, Steve Dulson wrote: >Ok, Ok, before that filthy swine Scott Price beats me to it >(talk about a dirty old man!) I have to say that the inside of >FTR is the look *I* treasure. :) Steve, I *never* would have thought of that particular Joni "look" until *you* brought it up. :-) But now that you mention it.... Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Sarah sl.m@shaw.ca JMDL Digest V2003 #54 --- Eryl B Davies wrote: > > > Are you realy proud to connect yourself with all of > those names? > Hey, c'mon - Shatner not only played (overacted?) James Tiberius Kirk, he was also the Big Giant Head on Third Rock from the Sun. (Such talent!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:00:25 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: trying to get whales to speak english NJC --- Lori Fye wrote: > Oops, sorry. Wrong list. It didn't seem all that out of place, somehow. (Heh-heh.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:13:13 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: speaking english NJC > Lori Fye wrote: > >> We'd just be fightin' about Bush all the time! ; ) >> >> >> couldn't you girls learn to be nice and share? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:15:18 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC >> We'd just be fightin' about Bush all the time! ; ) > couldn't you girls learn to be nice and share? Share Bush? Or share bush? Hmm ... Lori, being bad again ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:18:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka > FRANKIE AND HIS BAND, DAMN IT!!! FRANKIE ! ! ! Why are you treating > me like a retiree, Lori? FRANKIE AND HIS DAMN BAND ! ! ! You're telling me you're NOT retired? Dammit, now I'll have to return the lifetime AARP membership I bought for your birthday. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:19:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Favorite Joni look the cover of Hejira. the best imo. Beautiful and striking ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:20:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: speaking english NJC Lori Fye wrote: >>>We'd just be fightin' about Bush all the time! ; ) >>> >>> > > > >>couldn't you girls learn to be nice and share? >> >> > >Share Bush? Or share bush? Hmm ... > you had to ask? > > >Lori, >being bad again ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:34:25 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Favorite Joni look - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Favorite Joni look > the cover of Hejira. the best imo. Beautiful and striking My favorite as well colin. It's also my favorite Van Morrison look(cover of Wave length). Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:57:13 -0500 From: "Benjamin Pearce" Subject: Shadows and Light DVD Thanks to all of you who responded to my request. I'm gonna go with the place in Japan. I have a region free player, so should be fine. I've been looking forward to seeing this for years. It was actually my first Joni album. Being a bass player I was a huge Jaco fan as well as a big fan of Pat Metheny. I bought the album because of that. I personally think that the stuff Jaco did with Joni was the best he ever did. Well after that I started back (and forward) tracking through her entire catalog, got it all. Up till I started listening to Joni, I have to say I wasn't really interested in listening to the lyrics of songs, I was always more interested in the tunes. That's all changed, especially as I've gotten older. Anyway thanks again. Cheers, Greg (Sydney - Australia) - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Meet Singles http://corp.mail.com/lavalife ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:07:39 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Shadows & Light DVD Jerry Notaro wrote: > Randy Remote wrote: > > > You will have to get it in the 'grey' market-as it has apparently not > > been released anywhere but Singapore. You can find it on ebay > > for about $25. It claims to be 5.1 surround, but I have my doubts > > about that. Maybe they ran it through some kind of a simulator. > > Anyone know? > > It is remastered from the original recording in 5.1 surround, which is > typical. I find the result to be excellent. I'm curious about this. Have you heard it in surround? If so, how was the mixing handled? Did they pan the band members around the room, or set it up more like a concert with the rear speakers adding ambience and audience? Or something else? I'm wondering, because mixing to 5.1 is kind of a big deal, ie expensive for the record label. Also, while the back cover of the DVD does say "5.1 Surround" across the bottom, there is no credit listed on the package for "surround remixing" , remastering, or other new engineering, as one might expect there to be. RR ps For that matter, is PWWAM truly 5.1, if so, how was the mix handled? (one Amazon reviewer referred to the mix as "The guitar dominated watery/echoey "mono" sounding surround sound mix(no better in 2 channel stereo)", other reviewers complained about the sound not being great. I know for sure that "The Last Waltz" was remixed in true surround, there was much fanfare in the audio magazines about it. I guess my point is that it is much easier to do a "pseudo" surround mix than a real one. I don't have a 5.1 system, so I haven't heard any of them. > And, of course, you can always > choose to hear the original stereo. If you buy it on Ebay (which I did) make > sure you are getting the DVD and not the CD-ROM video recording. There is a > big difference in quality. > > Jerry > > NP: Shawn Colvin - Someone Like You ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:22:53 -0500 From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: THE YES CHORUS (NJC) marcel, in drag.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:30:37 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Shakey, Neil & Joni I've been reading (devouring) "Shakey" , the recent biography of Neil Young by Jimmy McDonough. Lots of Joni references. Has anyone else read it? Has it been discussed on the list yet? Here is one interesting passage from the sessions in LA for "Tonight's The Night" in 1973: On August 26, Young and the band blasted throught five performances that would form the core of the finished record- "Tonight's the Night", "Tired Eyes," "Mellow My Mind," "Speakin' Out" and "World on a String." They also cut a track with an unlikely guest star. "Somebody said, 'Listen, open up another mike, wi've got another guitar player,'" recalls assistant engineer Andy Block. "We started rolling tape, and the most awful-sounding electric guitar came down the wires-a person slamming the strings as if it were a big twelve-string acoustic. It wasn't more than five minutes later that we took a break. I wandered into the room, and there's Neil trying to teach Joni Mitchell the difference between electric and acoustic." Mitchell had entered with Joel Bernstein and Young immediately handed her a Gretsch. Soon the band was plowing through a train- wreck rendition of Joni's "Raised on Robbery," complete with boozy off-key harmonies from Young. When Briggs later played Mitchell a tape, she winced, shaking her head over the racket. [Producer David] Briggs said he threw her out of his house. How dare he treat the Queen this way! I wonder if these tapes still exist. The author talks about listening to session tapes for this album, but doesn't actually say he heard the Joni part. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:48:28 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC LOL ;-) (Hope we're not being racist) Sarah At 12:14 AM +0000 01/24/2003, colin wrote: >there is a picture of two men in wales with sheep. One man is >standing behind the sheep, sheep stood up. >The other man has his sheep on the floor, on it's back and you >cnanot see the other man's head. > >the man standing behind his sheep says'you are such a pervert'. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:51:41 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC But you didn't know I would turn right, Ron. You believed I would, and you turned out to be correct. But you didn't know it. That's what makes the difference. Had you known I would turn right before I did, it would have been true that I was going to turn right before I did, and if it was already true before the act, then the act itself was not the result of my choice, but of something else, something pre-ordained, determined, whatever you want to call it. Sarah From: "RSM" . . . Just because someone knows what you are going to do does not mean that you had no choice in doing what you did. An example: You are at a stop sign. The cross street is a two way street. I am in a car behind you. I see your turn indicator flashing. I now predict that you are going to turn right. I claim psychic powers. You do turn right. Are you saying that you had no choice in turning right because I foresaw that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:56:00 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Oops. I told some friends tonight that I called Lorne Greene "Lauren Green" and there was much shaking of heads. . . I've been demoted several rungs down the ladder of "becoming a Canadian". Sarah At 7:25 PM -0500 01/23/2003, Catherine McKay wrote: >(And it's Lorne Green(e), not Lauren!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:00:03 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: discussion on abortion (njc) Hi Marianne...I've missed your *post* on the list. As I was telling a lister on the phone tonight there was a case in Cincinnati a few years ago involving road rage. The two drivers were women and one of the women involved was pregnant. I don't remember all the details but apparently one of the women cut in front of the other..rage took hold and they chased each other on the expressway. The pregnant women crashed and was killed..the fetus did not make it either. The other woman was charged with not one, but TWO counts of vehicular homicide. Mixed messages I would say? And yes...I would agree.. it's moving..heart-wrenching for all involved. Btw..is it cold up there in upstate NY? Windchill here is something like 25 below 0. Bree >I have found the discussion on abortion to be interesting and moving. > >It is so hard to talk in absolutes on this one. > >Marianne > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:21:17 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: trying to speak english in Wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians Thanks, Sara. You've no idea how old I feel when you have to explain who Loren Green and Bill Shatner are. It's as if you think they were from another century all together or some- ....... uh........ never mind. Lama, who is hoping that his French name will make him an honorary Quebecer. Is it really pronounced "keb-a-KWA"? sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: >>>Jim Carey, Lauren Green the actor that played Ben Cartwright in Bonanza, and the great William Shatner, the original Captain Kirk of Star Trek. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:27:00 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: New covers project, njc Right. That's the new covers project where gansta rappers cover Dylan. (think about it..... I'll wait.....) And I suppose the latter was Debbie Harry covering Dylan. Okay, that was TOO easy. Lama Bob Muller said, Don't you mean "Blood on Blonde"? ;~) >>jamiezubairi@yahoo.co.uk writes: >>Dylan's Blonde On The Tracks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:35:59 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: trying to speak english in Wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians Jim, Ben Cartwright goes back almost to the beginnings of television. Who wasn't in love with little Joe? I'm old enough myself to remember them, and clearly. Ditto the first (and only in my view) Captain Kirk. Sorry if I made you feel aghast agewise -- I know the feeling only too well. I remember the original Fugitive too -- another early love of mine. That was the only program I was allowed to stay up late for. I spent years asking "why is this called the fugitive?" meaning "what does the word fugitive mean?" But my parents didn't know I didn't know what the word meant, so they just kept answering: "That's the name they gave it, dear". So I spent my formative pre-school years wondering why anyone would make up an interesting sounding, but meaningless, word for such a good program, when they could have called it something relevant. ;-) Yes, I'm told it really is "keb-a-KWA". Catherine, you were right about Andrea Martin - born in Portland, Oregon apparently, of Armenian descent. Another blow to Canada. David Kronenberg is another one. Sarah At 12:21 AM -0500 01/24/2003, Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) wrote: >Thanks, Sara. You've no idea how old I feel when you have to explain who >Loren Green and Bill Shatner are. It's as if you think they were from >another century all together or some- ....... uh........ never mind. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:35:41 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: NJC New Steely Dan on the way As MG would say, "Holy guacamole!" I thought those guys were gonna disappear for 20 years again. I can hear SCJoniGuy's review: "They keep making the same record. Their drummers never cut loose." That's okay, Bob. I'll buy them ALL. Ever since they got passed "Pretzel Logic", every single Dan album has been great. Same with Donald Fagan's solo work. Do check out the link folks, just to find out the new title. I won't spoil it but it's at once exactly in their bag, AND timely. Sly, sad, and wry. Yah, give me a lifetime subscription to that. http://steelydan.com/newcd.html Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:56:22 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC "It's the kind of night, so cold, when ya spit, it freezes before it hits the ground. And when a bum asks for a quarter ya give a dollar (CND). 'If he's out tonight, he must be truly down.'" Michael Timmins, famous for being a brother to Our Blessed Virgin Margo, of the Cowboy Junkies- a Canadian band. Lama Sara wrote: >>>>Try minus 27 for size, and it's dropping as I write. And that's without wind chill. I just went out to post a letter, and wore FOUR fleeces, one with goose down stuffing, plus a jacket over the top, also with goose down. I looked like a walking duvet. Plus heavy boots, woolen hat, gloves with fingers AND mittens over the top of them. Takes about 15 minutes to get dressed. No wonder all Canadians are living in the USA.>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:58:28 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC Lori, I'm sooooooo hurt. There is always enough Bush to go around :) Please join me and Bree, we could teach you more about Bush than you ever thought possible. You, me, and Bree makes three:0 Kasey being bad > Oh... come on now Lori! There is, of course, no "JMDL-Cleveland" > list. You'll have to settle for joining the "JMDL-Ohio" list instead. With Bree and Kasey? We'd just be fightin' about Bush all the time! ; ) LoriGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:07:48 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC One night I vividly dreamt "What if I had to replace my red tool box. Would I buy a different brand? Do I like the hip roof style well enough to get it again? Can I get a better value?" I shrugged it off in the morning. On my way home from work, I had a head-on collision. I saw the hood buckle towards me, then up. When I opened my eyes, the car had spun around 180 degrees. Beyond the crumpled hood, lying in the street, was my mangled red toolbox. Lama, who STILL doesn't believe in signs but shit like that stays with a person, ya know? Sarah said, >Do you have a personal example? If so, please tell -- if it's not too personal. That kind of thing fascinates me.> At 8:44 PM +0000 01/23/2003, colin wrote: >>but you made a distinction earlier between believing and knowing. I >>KNOW the future can and has been foretold. no doubt. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:13:43 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Article about role of god in Europe NJC http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/joan_smith/story.jsp?story=371878 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:17:25 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Ohio accents, Very NJC Oh, boy. Ohio accents. Here we go. "POO-sh" in place of 'push' is from eastern Ohio. Just like "BOO-sh" in place of 'bush'. Actually, saying it's an "Eastern Ohio" pronunciation is a euphamism for saying it's Appalachian-hill-jack-ignorant. Ooops. In fact, in central Ohio, we mis-pronounced Appalachian as "Apa-LAY-chan". It was only later that a painfully correct social work major took me aside and explained how deeply I must be offended those "who didn't have the same ACCESS to education that I had." As I recall, I said something like, "Oh. I thought they just hated school and wanted to get home to drink apple wine and neck with their cousins." My father, who was raised on Long Island. He always says "lie-LACK" in place of "LI-lock" for lilac. Anyway, when transplanted into Ohio, he already knew that the top of a building is a "r-ooo-f" and was appalled by the [eastern Ohio] "ruff". As in, "Clem, take these here shingles, an' a hammer, an' go-an' that there ruff but be careful so'es ya don't fall in the booshes." That's Apa-LAY-chan. My favorite local pronunciation though was an odd combination explaining a labor dispute at a place of business where they mix coal and iron. The Cleveland broadcaster explained, "Negotiations continue today at the Armco STILL MEAL." I swear as G*d is my witness I heard it as plainly as I am breathing. It made a big impression as I'm still talking about it more than 20 years on.......... I am my mother's son, for better or worse. I'm just lucky that she taught me to be a bigot toward undereducated folks rather than some other bigotry I could name. It's okay to make fun of stupid people, right?....... No? One more story: This week someone broke a window in my car and stole one thing: a bookshelf speaker from the backseat. That's stupid enough but the really stupid part is that the woofer was blown out. I bought it for the BOX alone at Goodwill for $5. The next night someone broke into the inner-city barber shop and got about $200 worth of quarters. The barber charges $9.50 so when someone gives him $10, he makes change and drops 50 cents into a can. Well, someone stole the inner-city barber's collection of spare change for a rainy day. That's a stupid and desperate person. I figure someone just got out of jail and will soon be back among his friends, "on the inside" as they say. "Oooh, baby, baby, it's a wild world." Lama >>that is what my 7th grade English teacher told me. She said that the American spoken around Cleveland was the purest dialect of the language. 7th grade English teachers do not lie. Hmmmm??? I'll have to look up "dialect" to see exactly what it means, but I believe this Cleveland reference refers to language usage (lack of odd local colloquialisms) and not to accent. I remember quite clearly Clevelanders having distinct accents. To the south, locals in Columbus and central Ohio have their own oddities ("pushe" rather than "push"). Anyway, that's more info than any of you needed I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:18:17 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: voice (njc) Now hold on a moment, I've been told I sound like Bree. I do not have an accent. I speak fluent American, and on occasion a very good Wine-o. So let's not be making fun of Bree. Kasey I will be selling narratives of Bree's voice for a small fee or in trade! Please contact me off line. LOL! Come on Marianne, play a game I can play - I've heard the Honcho talk! Peace, Susan - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Cindy wrote: > > >(and incidentally, mags and lori and susan, and all you others > >who insist that i sound sooooo southern... please note that > >Colin has not referred to my accent in his assessment (see above) > >at all. why? clearly, it's BECAUSE I HAVE NO ACCENT!!) > > > ;o) > > I'd like to hear your voice Cindy. > > Speaking of another voice, you should all hear Bree's voice, (for those of > you who haven't). > > It's is SO ReMaRKAbLE that I will give a prize to the first five people who > can find a way to talk to her (who have not previously spoken to her) by > Saturday midnight. > > The only thing you have to do is write me back a narrative (with a copy to > the jmdl) describing it. > > Go. > > Marianne > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:20:07 -0500 From: "courtandspark@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC Kasey wrote: There is always enough Bush to go around :) Please join me and Bree, I'd join you two anywhere, anytime. At least I thought I would but not that, anything but that. mack np:madonna - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:25:18 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC Mack, you can join us any time, any where. Don't be afraid, just think how happy my mother will be when I tell her I've shared Bush with a man:) Love Kasey Kasey wrote: There is always enough Bush to go around :) Please join me and Bree, I'd join you two anywhere, anytime. At least I thought I would but not that, anything but that. mackGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:38:02 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Dreams and seeing the future NJC That is very weird, gives me the shivers! Hard to believe it could be a cooincidence. I think Jung would call your dream an example of synchronicity, which I've never understood. Sarah At 1:07 AM -0500 01/24/2003, Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) wrote: >One night I vividly dreamt "What if I had to replace my red tool box. Would >I buy a different brand? Do I like the hip roof style well enough to get it >again? Can I get a better value?" I shrugged it off in the morning. > >On my way home from work, I had a head-on collision. I saw the hood buckle >towards me, then up. When I opened my eyes, the car had spun around 180 >degrees. Beyond the crumpled hood, lying in the street, was my mangled red >toolbox. > >Lama, who STILL doesn't believe in signs but shit like that stays with a >person, ya know? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:58:07 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: Ohio accents, Very NJC And there's more........towed for told, coby for Colby cheese Riga mortise for rigmarole, left for let, seal for sill, and my all time favorite......pacific for specific. Kasey Oh, boy. Ohio accents. Here we go. "POO-sh" in place of 'push' is from eastern Ohio. Just like "BOO-sh" in place of 'bush'. Actually, saying it's an "Eastern Ohio" pronunciation is a euphamism for saying it's Appalachian-hill-jack-ignorant. Ooops. In fact, in central Ohio, we mis-pronounced Appalachian as "Apa-LAY-chan". It was only later that a painfully correct social work major took me aside and explained how deeply I must be offended those "who didn't have the same ACCESS to education that I had." As I recall, I said something like, "Oh. I thought they just hated school and wanted to get home to drink apple wine and neck with their cousins." My father, who was raised on Long Island. He always says "lie-LACK" in place of "LI-lock" for lilac. Anyway, when transplanted into Ohio, he already knew that the top of a building is a "r-ooo-f" and was appalled by the [eastern Ohio] "ruff". As in, "Clem, take these here shingles, an' a hammer, an' go-an' that there ruff but be careful so'es ya don't fall in the booshes." That's Apa-LAY-chan. My favorite local pronunciation though was an odd combination explaining a labor dispute at a place of business where they mix coal and iron. The Cleveland broadcaster explained, "Negotiations continue today at the Armco STILL MEAL." I swear as G*d is my witness I heard it as plainly as I am breathing. It made a big impression as I'm still talking about it more than 20 years on.......... I am my mother's son, for better or worse. I'm just lucky that she taught me to be a bigot toward undereducated folks rather than some other bigotry I could name. It's okay to make fun of stupid people, right?....... No?Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:02:28 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 24 On January 24 the following item was published: 1974: "Joni's Beauty Hard to Beat" - Chicago Sun Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=816 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:08:55 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: njc terminology (beware not fluffy subject) OK Vince where the hell did this come from? I was not defining anything. I was simply stating that I believed the RTL would use that way of thinking. I've never said I was pro or anti anything in this debate. Simply questioning phrases that where posted for my own understanding of this issue. Chill out Vince, and might I suggest a little less caffeine in your diet. Kasey Kasey, You cannot and will not define what I believe. No more than I can do that to you. I am not pro-abortion and frankly I do not give a damn what definitions Right to life uses. Those are their categories, not mine, and I do not buy into their attempt to define the debate to suit them. I am not pro-abortion. I am pro choice. Funny that for those supporting the propsoed military action in Iraq you would scream if I called you pro war - you would say no you are not pro war but in some circumstances, in some instances, there can be a just war but you are not pro war... So then grant the same consideration that you demand. In some circumstances, in some instances, there can be a just abortion. And that doesn't make anyone pro abortion. You can't claim all leeway on your side and not grant it to others. VinceGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:42:40 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Christo project okayed for NYC [NJC] From the NYTimes: A work of art featuring 23 miles of billowing saffron-colored fabric by the artist Christo and his wife Jeanne-Claude will be displayed along Central Park's pedestrian paths for two weeks in February 2005, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg announced yesterday. It will be the first public art project in New York for the Bulgarian-born artist and his wife, who have previously wrapped the German Reichstag in white cloth and scattered several thousand blue and yellow umbrellas across Japan and California. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/23/arts/design/23CHRI.html I'm so excited about this! I can't wait to walk through the park while this project is up. It'll be beautiful, all that billowing marigold colored fabric marking the paths and visible even from afar through the trees when winter is at its grayest. I've never seen a Christo creation in person and have always wanted to, and am very happy Christo and Jeanne-Claude have finally been given the go-ahead. Has anyone here experienced one of Christo's projects? Debra Shea Now imagining strolling under huge pieces of bright cloth being made alive and blown by the wind into unexpected and uncontrollable shapes... magnificent! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:51:06 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Joke about Wales and phonetics NJC >>Two tourists were driving through Wales. As they were approaching Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob-wllllantysiliogogogoch, they started arguing about the pronunciation of the town's name. They argued back and forth until they stopped for lunch. As they stood at the counter, one tourist asked the blonde employee, "Before we order, could you please settle an argument for us? Would you please pronounce where we are... very slowly?" The girl leaned over the counter and said, "Burrrrrrrr, gerrrrrrr, Kiiiiing."<< Nice try Sarah, but I can tell you for certain that there is no Burger King in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob-wllllantysiliogogogoch, or 'Llan' as it usually called when context allows, for obvious reasons. Most tourists eat in the Penrhos Arms, or Pringle's. There are no prizes, but the next five jonilistas who telephone me will get to hear me pronounce the name of the village. (e-mail me off list for telephone number). meic in bcn PS Are you sure the waitress was blonde? Not very Celtic, that. PPS Did you type out the name or didja cut'n'paste? Yeah, I thought so. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #56 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)