From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 055 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- canadian products NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC ["RSM" ] John Kennedy Toole NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Botox or the Blade - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: speaking english NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: speaking english NJC [Mags N Brei ] Vienna Teng - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: re : terminology SJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: Laura Nyro NJC ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: NJC Re: CMIARS [David Sadowski ] mole and Steely Dan (NJC) [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: Vienna Teng - NJC [dsk ] Re: NJC Re: CMIARS [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Lyrics of the moment for me [sl.m@shaw.ca] Favorite Joni "look" ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: THE YES CHORUS NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Favorite Joni "look" ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [colin ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [colin ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [colin ] Re: mole and Steely Dan (NJC) [colin ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Miniapolis (sp) NJC [colin ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC [dsk ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: John Kennedy Toole NJC [colin ] Re: NJC Lyrics of the moment for me [colin ] Re: NJC Lyrics of the moment for me [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: terminology NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: trying to speak english in wales [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: trying to speak english in wales [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: John Kennedy Toole NJC ["Lori Fye" ] discussion on abortion (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: discussion on abortion (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: speaking english NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: speaking english NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #51 -- Ohio accents, Very NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: voice (njc) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians [Fauchja@ao] Fauch (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: speaking english NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: speaking english NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians NJC [Mags N Brei ] NJC Someone stole the kishka [vince ] RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: canadian products NJC [Catherine McKay ] drew NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC Someone stole the kishka [vince ] fauch yeah! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: daft NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Someone stole the kishka [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Favorite Joni "look" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [Catherine McKay ] Joke about Wales and phonetics NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: NRH/Favorite Joni "look" [Catherine McKay ] Re: daft NJC [colin ] RE: NRH/Favorite Joni "look" ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: daft NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hey Eddie, can you lend me a few bucks (njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:57:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: canadian products NJC and don't forget the kids in the hall, bacon and catherine mckay! wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:57:54 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC Last time for me on this thread: I side with Colin (for once!). Just because someone knows what you are going to do does not mean that you had no choice in doing what you did. An example: You are at a stop sign. The cross street is a two way street. I am in a car behind you. I see your turn indicator flashing. I now predict that you are going to turn right. I claim psychic powers. You do turn right. Are you saying that you had no choice in turning right because I foresaw that? You had no choice? What if I am an all knowing God? Does it make any difference if I knew that you would turn right? Ron LA - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "colin" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC | Colin, if you KNOW (as opposed to believe) that Kevin has come in an | eggcup, then it must be TRUE that Kevin has come in an eggcup, or | else you would only have (falsely) believed it, not known it. | | We can only KNOW what is TRUE. And if something is true in the | future, it is true always, and therefore true now. If the | proposition "Kevin will come in an eggcup on September 22 2010" is | true then, it is true now, and always was and always will be true. | | So -- if god or a psychic knows that I will do X in the future, it | must already be true that I will do X. | | And if it is true now that I will do X, it means it is true BEFORE I | DO IT. And THAT means, although I felt I had choice when faced with | the decision to do X, in fact I had no choice, and there was no | decision, just an illusion of one. | | A very logical conclusion, in fact. ;-) | | Sarah | | | | At 5:42 PM +0000 01/23/2003, colin wrote: | >sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: | >>But if god or the psychic KNOWS which choices we will pick, then | >>there is no longer any choice. | >> | | >Colin wrote: | >i don't think that is logical conclusion. | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:59:45 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: John Kennedy Toole NJC Joseph (in Manila) wrote, of "A Confederacy of Dunces" (my favorite book, too): > But I have to admit that there are parts of the book I don't > understand. Or maybe its the local Southern joke that kept it private > from non-US Southerners. It helps to have visited New Orleans at least once, and preferably many times. I love to eat those strangely-colored hotdogs from the street carts, but only after drinking several hurricanes. Lori, on her way to N.O. again in three weeks!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:46 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Botox or the Blade - njc Ken writes: << Arty, intelligent and vibrant and conveying the youthful energy unavailable from botox or the blade. >> As Dave Letterman might say, "'Botox or the Blade' . . . wasn't that an old Joni Mitchell album?" - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: speaking english NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: <<<. Here in Canada - which is I don't know how many times the size of the UK - we have basically two accents: Newfoundland and everywhere else, eh.>>> only two??? 'scuse me??? ;-) Mags... You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: speaking english NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: <<<. Here in Canada - which is I don't know how many times the size of the UK - we have basically two accents: Newfoundland and everywhere else, eh.>>> only two??? 'scuse me??? ;-) Mags... You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:26:04 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Vienna Teng - NJC Speaking of Letterman, did anyone see this singer/songwriter on Dave's show on Monday? She was very good. Letterman loved her. I was surprised that I had never seen her mentioned here before. She's from the SF area, I think. Anyone? - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:36:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: re : terminology SJC <<>> powerful words there Lucy, thanks for that. rings of forgiveness to me :-) Mags np: please forgive me by David Gray (i kid you not!!!) p.s...Im so easily influenced in what I play ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:39:41 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Laura Nyro NJC "Jamie Zubairi" wrote:- > Also beenlistening to Nyro's 'Tendaberry' album which I didn't really get into when I first heard it. It's probably gonna take more listenings to get me into her... I already had 'First Songs' and 'Eli...' when I got 'NYT' just after Christmas. I know it's good but it's not as easy to get into. I had to give HEJIRA loads of plays before I actually liked it.so I will keep trying with 'NYT'. 'Eli...' is one of my fave albums of all time already so she is worth the effort. Peace STEVE T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:45:10 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: NJC Re: CMIARS Blonde on the Tracks? That would actually be a pretty good title for a record... or perhaps even a Dylan cover band. Imagine the cover art, too. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/23/2003 12:45:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamiezubairi@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > > >>Dylan's Blonde On The Tracks >> >> > >Don't you mean "Blood on Blonde"? ;~) > >Bob > >NP: Aretha, "Day Dreaming" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:51:52 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: mole and Steely Dan (NJC) Colin, I know how you must feel about that mole needing to be cut out and analysed. But I have good news, I think! I go regularly to a dermatologist (as one does, when one suffers from eczema! :-) ) and he's a pretty competent guy. Anyway, I remember once showing him a mole that had suddenly appeared (with a hair on) and he said "We can cut it out if you like, but I can tell you now that you don't need to fear anything like cancer, because then there wouldn't be any hair growing on it." So there! I hope that will make you sleep a bit better, tonight! And Bob: YES YES YES, add me to the list of Becker and Fagen fans who will very much appreciate any update! I think Steely Dan are totally brilliant, although to my liking their last CD (Two Against Nature) was rather a disappointment. Back to work now if I want to get home before midnight! Lieve. ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. 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Letterman loved her. I was surprised that I had never seen her mentioned here before. She's from the SF area, I think. Anyone? > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:55:05 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: CMIARS In a message dated 1/23/2003 2:45:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsadowski@ameritech.net writes: > Blonde on the Tracks? That would actually be a pretty good title for a > record... or perhaps even a Dylan cover band. Imagine the > cover art, too. I'm guessing it would feature Dudley Dooright & Snidely Whiplash...hey come to think of it Dudley is another Canadian! :~) Bob NP: Fun Lovin' Criminals, "Bombin' The L" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:56:29 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: NJC Lyrics of the moment for me What about "It would be just my luck to come back as your tampon", as an example of someone's mobile phone conversation sticking to our brains? ;-) Sarah From: "Lucy Hone" I have come to the conclusion that some of the VERY abstract thoughts that pop into our brains are actually parts of other people's mobile phone conversations and text messages that somehow stick to your brain. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:02:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Favorite Joni "look" i have a favorite photo of joni but i'm not sure where i've seen it or how to find it...she's in her home studio & recording (in front of a mic i think) ... i recall it also looks like an art studio ... she has on a white (i think) shirt & maybe turquoise jewlery & her hair is very blond...her look is very southwestern... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:05:51 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: THE YES CHORUS NJC Suzanne, not buried at all. You are right. Survival of the fittest just means that the survivors will survive. That's probably not going to be us for all the reasons you listed: the not-paying-attention, the-not-realizing they want to and will kill us, for reasons good and bad, or for no reasons. And also because of the Michelangelos and the Rembrandts. Maybe like the Athenians, we've outlived our usefulness and become too cultured and soft, and forgotten that survival means struggle. While the Athenians were making vases and listening to Socrates, the Spartans were getting ready to attack. Sarah From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Watching all come and go pretending knowledge of Michelangelo - Was contemplating Reubens Rembrandt and the like - are we strong enough to admit we have been a bit hasty and wrong in our conclusions on War etc? I know some moron will say but you only know of these greats because it was taught to you - to which I must reply - PLEASE PLEASE JUST PREPARE THE COMPARATIVE LIST OF EQUALS TO ALL THE GREATS OF OUR ACADEMIC HISTORY FOR ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLES YOU HAVE ABANDONED US FOR AND I WILL FOLLOW IN THE GREAT TRADITION MY GENES COME FROM AND INVESTIGATE THE AUTHENTICITY OF YOUR LIST. I don't mean to scream but damnit enough is enough you all talk like 911 happened somewhere else - just what will it take to make you realize they dont find your emails or clever twists of words cute, inspiring or anything - THEY WANT TO FUCKING KILL US! I am sure this one will be buried in the much speaking of the second tier peacocks that strut along the pages here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:10:27 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Favorite Joni "look" I am going to stick with the inside of HOSL. Call me shallow and stupid but it was great listening to the Boho Dance and conjuring up vision of me and joni strutting it at some tribal ritual beach fire. Oh to be young and stupid again. What about the mysterious look on NRH. Kind of liked that one two. Peace, Craig NP: IRIS DEMENT - Let the mystery be. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:14:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC RSM wrote: > I side with Colin (for once!). > well don't feel ashamed. the important thing is you admitted it. That is a huge step. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:10:29 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC I know I may appear thick at times. I wasn't telling you I didn't understand you, I was telling you I don't agree with your conslsuion. I don't think your conclusion is logical. However, if your conclusion is correct, and I have no doubt that future events have been, can be, and will be forseeen, then we are stuffed aren't we? because, according to your theory, it would mean we have no free will and that we are puppets. So evryone is blameless and no amount of worrying or good behaviour, or intelleingence, or enlightenment will alter a damn thing. So fuck it! -:) sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Colin, if you KNOW (as opposed to believe) that Kevin has come in an > eggcup, then it must be TRUE that Kevin has come in an eggcup, or else > you would only have (falsely) believed it, not known it. > > We can only KNOW what is TRUE. And if something is true in the > future, it is true always, and therefore true now. If the proposition > "Kevin will come in an eggcup on September 22 2010" is true then, it > is true now, and always was and always will be true. > > So -- if god or a psychic knows that I will do X in the future, it > must already be true that I will do X. > > And if it is true now that I will do X, it means it is true BEFORE I > DO IT. And THAT means, although I felt I had choice when faced with > the decision to do X, in fact I had no choice, and there was no > decision, just an illusion of one. > > A very logical conclusion, in fact. ;-) > > Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:16:00 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC kasey simpson wrote: > I had just gotten this image out of my mind, and > was eating eggs again.........oh well eggs are bad > for me anyway. > Kasey > > > unless you are alegic to them, eggs are an excellent food. Almost a complete meal. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:16:11 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: mole and Steely Dan (NJC) ReckersL@ebrd.com wrote: >Anyway, I remember once showing him a mole that had suddenly appeared (with >a hair on) and he said "We can cut it out if you like, but I can tell you >now that you don't need to fear anything like cancer, because then there >wouldn't be any hair growing on it." So there! I hope that will make you >sleep a bit better, tonight! > > > thank you! That is really really good to know. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:19:55 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Kasey, 2 degrees F is for, what we call in England, big girls' blouses! ;-) Try minus 27 for size, and it's dropping as I write. And that's without wind chill. I just went out to post a letter, and wore FOUR fleeces, one with goose down stuffing, plus a jacket over the top, also with goose down. I looked like a walking duvet. Plus heavy boots, woollen hat, gloves with fingers AND mittens over the top of them. Takes about 15 minutes to get dressed. No wonder all Canadians are living in the USA. You find out interesting things about the cold living here. Like: never wear tight clothes because they'll make you colder. You should always wear baggy things so that you have a pocket of air between your skin and the material. Weird but true. And never let your hands get cold. Once your hands are cold, the rest of you will follow. And never do what a friend of mine from Texas did during her first winter here. Trying to get into her car one day, her hands were frozen and she dropped her keys. Took off gloves, picked up keys, put keys in her mouth while she got her gloves back on. Reached up to take keys out of mouth and found they were stuck firmly to her tongue! Had to go back inside to gargle with hot water to loosen them. ;-) Sarah From: "kasey simpson" Well Sarah, it's 2 degrees Fahrenheit here in Ohio and no I'm not taking credit for that, even the wind leaves Canada to come to the USA :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:28:49 +0000 From: colin Subject: Miniapolis (sp) NJC At present John is in Jamaica(30c) and when he gtes back he is here for a few dyas then flies off to Miniapolis(-30 I am told). He HATES the cold, whereas I love it. And yes I have experienced it that cold-in New England. although to be honest, id rather he wasn't flying anywhere especially the USA. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:39:47 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > > Try minus 27 for size, and it's dropping as I write. And that's > without wind chill. No wonder there are fewer people in all of Canada than there are in tiny England! This weather info gives new meaning to Joni's Urge for Going. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:38:26 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC Or you can conclude that the future cannot be foretold, which is what I believe. So I think we ARE responsible for our behaviour. But I think if psychics do have any powers, it is only to see possible futures, and that we can change them. Like the film Sliding Doors (at least as I remember it). Sarah At 8:10 PM +0000 01/23/2003, colin wrote: >However, if your conclusion is correct, and I have no doubt that >future events have been, can be, and will be forseeen, then we are >stuffed aren't we? because, according to your theory, it would mean >we have no free will and that we are puppets. So evryone is >blameless and no amount of worrying or good behaviour, or >intelleingence, or enlightenment will alter a damn thing. So fuck >it! -:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:38:41 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: John Kennedy Toole NJC Lori Fye wrote: >Joseph (in Manila) wrote, of "A Confederacy of Dunces" (my favorite >book, too): > > > >>But I have to admit that there are parts of the book I don't >>understand. Or maybe its the local Southern joke that kept it private >>from non-US Southerners. >> >> > >It helps to have visited New Orleans at least once, and preferably many >times. > >I love to eat those strangely-colored hotdogs > you haven;'t gone all straight on us have you? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:39:38 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Lyrics of the moment for me sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > What about "It would be just my luck to come back as your tampon", as > an example of someone's mobile phone conversation sticking to our > brains? ;-) > > Sarah > > Prince Charles? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:44:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Or you can conclude that the future cannot be foretold, which is what > I believe. but you made a disnction earlier bewteen believing and knowing. I KNOW the furture can and has been foretold. no doubt. > So I think we ARE responsible for our behaviour. But I think if > psychics do have any powers, it is only to see possible futures, and > that we can change them. Like the film Sliding Doors (at least as I > remember it). > > Sarah > > > > > At 8:10 PM +0000 01/23/2003, colin wrote: > >> However, if your conclusion is correct, and I have no doubt that >> future events have been, can be, and will be forseeen, then we are >> stuffed aren't we? because, according to your theory, it would mean >> we have no free will and that we are puppets. So evryone is blameless >> and no amount of worrying or good behaviour, or intelleingence, or >> enlightenment will alter a damn thing. So fuck it! -:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:47:34 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: NJC Lyrics of the moment for me Well spotted Colin. Charles to Camilla, circa 1995. ;-) Sarah At 8:39 PM +0000 01/23/2003, colin wrote: >sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > >>What about "It would be just my luck to come back as your tampon", >>as an example of someone's mobile phone conversation sticking to >>our brains? ;-) >> >>Sarah >> >> >Prince Charles? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:51:28 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: terminology NJC I wrote: >>No one is "pro-abortion." >>Everyone is "pro-life." >>The accurate terms are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice." "kasey simpson" wrote: >I think it depends on what side of the fence you are on. >The two sides are Right to Life, and Pro-Choice. The >RTL would say it's pro-life, or anti-life. Being pro-choice >would mean you are for (pro) abortion. On the issue of actual abortion, most sentient beings are on the fence. That's why, regardless of whether or not one would choose an abortion, the crucial issue is choice. "Pro-choice does" *not* mean "pro-abortion" ... no one is "for abortion," it's a heart rending and difficult choice. Case in point, Mario Cuomo, who says that because of his Catholic faith he himself would not choose abortion, but he does support a woman's right to choose for herself. And that's as it should be. The anti-choice minority may claim to be "pro-life" (again, who, really is "against life"?) except that if a mother's life is in danger unless she has an abortion, they are not "pro-life" (the mother's) if they are anti-choice. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:48:57 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC Do you have a personal example? If so, please tell -- if it's not too personal. That kind of thing fascinates me. Sarah At 8:44 PM +0000 01/23/2003, colin wrote: >but you made a disnction earlier bewteen believing and knowing. I >KNOW the furture can and has been foretold. no doubt. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:00:34 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales Sarah writes: << I looked like a walking duvet. >> Was it Miyake? Sounds like my LEAST favorite Joni look -- the BSN tour, when she dressed like a very expensive sofa. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:03:12 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales Miyake - sadly no. North Face. ;-) Sarah At 4:00 PM -0500 01/23/2003, Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Was it Miyake? Sounds like my LEAST favorite Joni look -- the BSN >tour, when she dressed like a very expensive sofa. > >--Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:19:40 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: John Kennedy Toole NJC >>I love to eat those strangely-colored hotdogs > you haven;'t gone all straight on us have you? Oh lord, Colin! For THAT I'd have to drink all the hurricanes in New Orleans!! : D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:12:55 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: discussion on abortion (njc) I have found the discussion on abortion to be interesting and moving. It is so hard to talk in absolutes on this one. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:24:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: discussion on abortion (njc) Marianne Rizzo wrote: > I have found the discussion on abortion to be interesting and moving. > > It is so hard to talk in absolutes on this one. Well, as the Jesuits always told us, there are no absolutes, except that there are no absolutes! I, too, find the discussions interesting, though others may find them tedious. This is the brightest group around, and no matter whether I agree with the opinions expressed, or not, they are always well stated and presented. Jerry np: Eva Cassidy - Fever ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:28:38 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: voice (njc) Cindy wrote: >(and incidentally, mags and lori and susan, and all you others >who insist that i sound sooooo southern... please note that >Colin has not referred to my accent in his assessment (see above) >at all. why? clearly, it's BECAUSE I HAVE NO ACCENT!!) > ;o) I'd like to hear your voice Cindy. Speaking of another voice, you should all hear Bree's voice, (for those of you who haven't). It's is SO ReMaRKAbLE that I will give a prize to the first five people who can find a way to talk to her (who have not previously spoken to her) by Saturday midnight. The only thing you have to do is write me back a narrative (with a copy to the jmdl) describing it. Go. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:41:57 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: speaking english NJC Wash... How about Creek or Crick? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:44:45 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: speaking english NJC And probably look like him too... NS Moon over parma come fly with me to night ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:49:06 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #51 -- Ohio accents, Very NJC and they were very nasal in southern and southeast ohio. And my 7th grade English teacher called it a dialect. I remember because I didn't know what a dialect was in that context, and she made me look it up. 7th grade english teachers do not lie.... Fauchja (I don't get the Fauch joke. Fatcha (spelled that way because I think it looks Slavic) is my Dog!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: voice (njc) I will be selling narratives of Bree's voice for a small fee or in trade! Please contact me off line. LOL! Come on Marianne, play a game I can play - I've heard the Honcho talk! Peace, Susan - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Cindy wrote: > > >(and incidentally, mags and lori and susan, and all you others > >who insist that i sound sooooo southern... please note that > >Colin has not referred to my accent in his assessment (see above) > >at all. why? clearly, it's BECAUSE I HAVE NO ACCENT!!) > > > ;o) > > I'd like to hear your voice Cindy. > > Speaking of another voice, you should all hear Bree's voice, (for those of > you who haven't). > > It's is SO ReMaRKAbLE that I will give a prize to the first five people who > can find a way to talk to her (who have not previously spoken to her) by > Saturday midnight. > > The only thing you have to do is write me back a narrative (with a copy to > the jmdl) describing it. > > Go. > > Marianne > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:54:32 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians And you forgot 80% of the Band, Ronnie Hawkins, Oscar Peterson, and so many others ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:56:30 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Fauch (njc) > (I don't get the Fauch joke. To me it looks like it would be pronounced "fawk." If "ja" were pronounced as it is in German (yah), it would sound like "fawk yah." (Fuck yeah.) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:12 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC > Moon over parma come fly with me to night How many pairs of Parma socks do you own? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:57:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC > How about Creek or Crick? When I was growing up in Northeast Ohio, it was crick. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:03:23 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians NJC and of course I failed to mention our very own Catherine McKay in Toronto Ontariariarioooooo so sorry m'dear...a thousand apologies to you!!!! you shine in the spot light for sure. thanks for the reminder Wahwah. and you know, Fauchja, there could be more ;-) count on it. hmmm Jacob Moon, Tannis Slimmon, Brent Titcomb...Ron Sexsmith... Mags, still Canadian to the core !!!!! Fauchja@aol.com wrote:And you forgot 80% of the Band, Ronnie Hawkins, Oscar Peterson, and so many others You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:03:54 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: speaking english NJC Many, and I mourned the Day Frankie Yankovic died. Played Who stole the Kishka for hours. And, I have a Ghoulardi T-Shirt. Cool, it Group Fauchja ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:16:56 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: speaking english NJC > Many, and I mourned the Day Frankie Yankovic died. Played Who stole > the Kishka for hours. And, I have a Ghoulardi T-Shirt. Much more of this, and Les is going to ask us to move ourselves to the "JMDL-Cleveland" discussion list. ; ) Lori, whose mom (http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/index2.html) owned several Frankie Y albums ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:52:54 -0500 From: vince Subject: NJC Someone stole the kishka You know that no one not ethnic will have no idea who Frankie Yankovic is, let alone songs about kishka... Vince grandmother's maiden name: Statkiewicz http://www.polka-store.com/frankieyankovic/cds.htm http://www.polkas.com/yankovic/yankbio.htm and Someone stole the kishka Someone stole the kishka Who stole the kishka, from the butcher's shop? Who stole the kishka? Who stole the kishka? Who stole the kishka? Someone call the cops! Fat and round and firmly packed It was hanging on the rack Someone stole the kishka When I turned my back Who stole the kishka? Who stole the kishka? Who stole the kishka? Someone bring it back! Someone stole the kishka Someone stole the kishka Who stole the kishka, from the butcher shop? Who stole the kishka? Who stole the kishka? Who stole the kishka? Someone call the cops! Yusef found the kishka Yusef found the kishka Yusef found the kishka And he hung it on the rack. He found the kishka He found the kishka He found the kishka Yusef brought it back Heeeeeyyyyyyyy Hey! huh-huh-huh-huh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:00:33 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: NJC Someone stole the kishka - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of vince Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:53 PM To: Lori Fye Cc: Fauchja@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC Someone stole the kishka You know that no one not ethnic will have no idea who Frankie Yankovic is, let alone songs about kishka... Well we Buffalonians all sure know the song. Right up there with Roll Out the Barrel, and Too Fat Polka! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: NJC Someone stole the kishka Hey - I may be Guzzi on my father's side but I am Gasinski on my Matka's side, as we say in Polish. And I live in the largest Polish city in the world - CHICAGO! Yes it is! So I grew up in a house with Frankie Yankovic records. And yes I do know how to polka, thank you! Wouldn't that be a sight to see! Ah ... maybe at fest! Now you'll all start sending that money in! Debranutz!(sp) = Good Day! Peace, Susan - --- vince wrote: > You know that no one not ethnic will have no idea who Frankie Yankovic > is, let alone songs about kishka... > > Vince > grandmother's maiden name: Statkiewicz > > http://www.polka-store.com/frankieyankovic/cds.htm > http://www.polkas.com/yankovic/yankbio.htm > > and > > Someone stole the kishka > Someone stole the kishka > Who stole the kishka, > from the butcher's shop? > Who stole the kishka? > Who stole the kishka? > Who stole the kishka? > Someone call the cops! > > Fat and round and firmly packed > It was hanging on the rack > Someone stole the kishka > When I turned my back > Who stole the kishka? > Who stole the kishka? > Who stole the kishka? > Someone bring it back! > > Someone stole the kishka > Someone stole the kishka > Who stole the kishka, > from the butcher shop? > Who stole the kishka? > Who stole the kishka? > Who stole the kishka? > Someone call the cops! > > Yusef found the kishka > Yusef found the kishka > Yusef found the kishka > And he hung it on the rack. > He found the kishka > He found the kishka > He found the kishka > Yusef brought it back > Heeeeeyyyyyyyy > Hey! > huh-huh-huh-huh Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: canadian products NJC --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > and don't forget the kids in the hall, bacon and > catherine mckay! > wally Awwww, ain't you sweet? Being in the company of the kids in the hall - and bacon! what more could a girl ask? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:14:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: drew NJC well, believe it or not, i DO look a little like drew carey. to my chagrin... wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Fauchja@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 23 de Enero de 2003 06:45 p.m. Para: lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: speaking english NJC And probably look like him too... NS Moon over parma come fly with me to night ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:16:29 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC Someone stole the kishka Susan Guzzi wrote: >Hey - I may be Guzzi on my father's side but I am Gasinski on my Matka's side, as we say in >Polish. And I live in the largest Polish city in the world - CHICAGO! Yes it is! > And just where do you think I grew up? My Polish great-grandfather threw my grandmother out of the house because she married an Italian, which was beneath them... So Grandma lived at Hull House for a while until she and Pop could save the money to get married, which they did at Holy Trinity Church. And I polka better than you! :-) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:17:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: fauch yeah! njc i always thought that *fauchja* was *f*uck you* in the bronx. but i know the story behind the nickname. wasn't it something about a dog, fauchja? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Fauchja@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 23 de Enero de 2003 06:55 p.m. Para: magsnbrei@yahoo.com; sl.m@shaw.ca; ink08@hotmail.com; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar CC: joni@smoe.org; briangross@rocketmail.com Asunto: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians And you forgot 80% of the Band, Ronnie Hawkins, Oscar Peterson, and so many others ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:20:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: daft NJC --- colin wrote: > I went for my regular gp checkup on Monday. Just for > blood > pressure(which is fine) and a chat. Juts to make > sure I am still on the > planet I guess. > > Anyway, I mentioned that the mole on my tummy has > been bothering me. I > have had it there since forever. Well, I think it > got caught by my > trouser top when i wore them for a show. I normally > wear jogging > trousers at home. It doesn't look any different o > me. My gp however said > she would cut it out and send it off for biopsy. Synchronicity again? I went for my annual physical yesterday. Was all worried about blood pressure and so on, but the doc sez it's incredibly healthily low, lower than it has been for a while. Probably related to no longer living with SHex (Shit Head Ex). Get the mole removed. If you're lucky you can get by with one of those procedures where they shave it off rather than gouge it out, and the biopsy will be fine. I think my GP is great, but the one time he let me down was not reacting quickly enough to a mole I had on my left arm that I bugged him about for a few years before he finally sent me to a specialist who sent me for surgery and rather quickly too. It wasn't cancer, but it was severely dysplastic, which is "thinking about becoming cancer." I had to have two biopsies done - the first time to find out what it was about, the second time to make sure they had got all the bad stuff out the first time (hence a second biopsy). I have a hole in my arm now and feel like I have to wear an armband whenever I'm wearing short sleeves because I think everyone's going to notice. Maybe they don't, but I do. Better safe than sorry, my friend - get it taken out. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: NJC Someone stole the kishka Yeah Brother! Well I dare you to come to fest and join me for the first official Joni Polkathon! Oh I guess not, cause our White Sox will be in a pennant race by then! Come on Vince, the Sox will keep till September! Jenkuya! (certainly it's not spelled right) Thank You! Peace, Susan - --- vince wrote: > > > Susan Guzzi wrote: > > >Hey - I may be Guzzi on my father's side but I am Gasinski on my Matka's side, as we say in > >Polish. And I live in the largest Polish city in the world - CHICAGO! Yes it is! > > > And just where do you think I grew up? > > My Polish great-grandfather threw my grandmother out of the house > because she married an Italian, which was beneath them... > > So Grandma lived at Hull House for a while until she and Pop could save > the money to get married, which they did at Holy Trinity Church. > > And I polka better than you! :-) > > Vince Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:24:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Favorite Joni "look" --- Happy The Man wrote: > Oh to be young and stupid again. > I'm still stupid. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:26:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC --- sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Or you can conclude that the future cannot be > foretold, which is what > I believe. So I think we ARE responsible for our > behaviour. But I > think if psychics do have any powers, it is only to > see possible > futures, and that we can change them. Like the film > Sliding Doors > (at least as I remember it). That makes sense to me (if anything does.) There are theories (or maybe just science fiction stories) about parallel universes and so on. Maybe we exist in other temporal planes. I want to find the right temporal plane and get right on it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:35:54 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC >>It was the old story of them putting the sheep's back legs into wellington boots to stabilize them.<< NO, NO, NO. It's not to stabilise them, it's to stop them running away. Jeez, how come this isn't obvious? mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: re: THE YES CHORUS (njc) In a word, "huh?" Either I've had too much wine or not enough... Well, for the record, I really like Yes, always have. And I can still play Mood for a Day when sober, even if there is no chorus. Maybe that's not what the original email was about, but hey where's Smurph when we need him? See, I can spin a non-sequitor with the best of 'em :-) Do, I win, Bob? LOL! BTW, really interesting stuff on the latest covers. OK, I'm done. Next... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:55:01 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Aha! There speaks a man of experience!! Okay, to stabilize them in a stationary position then. . . The Welsh are such fusspots! Sarah At 12:35 AM +0100 01/24/2003, mike pritchard wrote: > >>It was the old story of them putting the sheep's back legs into >wellington boots to stabilize them.<< > >NO, NO, NO. It's not to stabilise them, it's to stop them running >away. Jeez, how come this isn't obvious? > >mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:01:10 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: speaking english NJC At 1/23/2003 03:16 PM, Lori Fye wrote: >Much more of this, and Les is going to ask us to move ourselves to >the "JMDL-Cleveland" discussion list. Oh... come on now Lori! There is, of course, no "JMDL-Cleveland" list. You'll have to settle for joining the "JMDL-Ohio" list instead. :-) Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:09:18 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Joke about Wales and phonetics NJC Two tourists were driving through Wales. As they were approaching Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob-wllllantysiliogogogoch, they started arguing about the pronunciation of the town's name. They argued back and forth until they stopped for lunch. As they stood at the counter, one tourist asked the blonde employee, "Before we order, could you please settle an argument for us? Would you please pronounce where we are... very slowly?" The girl leaned over the counter and said, "Burrrrrrrr, gerrrrrrr, Kiiiiing." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:11:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NRH/Favorite Joni "look" I love the way Joni looked in the "Shadows and light" era. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:11:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: daft NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > Better safe than sorry, my friend - get it >taken out. > i am booked in for the 30th at 9.40am. thanks catherine > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:14:20 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: NRH/Favorite Joni "look" 1994 Much Music in Toronto. I thought she never looked or sounded better. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:12 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NRH/Favorite Joni "look" I love the way Joni looked in the "Shadows and light" era. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:14:35 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC there is a picture of two men in wales with sheep. One man is standing behind the sheep, sheep stood up. The other man has his sheep on the floor, on it's back and you cnanot see the other man's head. the man standing behind his sheep says'you are such a pervert'. sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > Aha! There speaks a man of experience!! > > Okay, to stabilize them in a stationary position then. . . The Welsh > are such fusspots! > > Sarah > > > > > At 12:35 AM +0100 01/24/2003, mike pritchard wrote: > >> >>It was the old story of them putting the sheep's back legs into >> wellington boots to stabilize them.<< > >> NO, NO, NO. It's not to stabilise them, it's to stop them running >> away. Jeez, how come this isn't obvious? > >> >> mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:16:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: daft NJC --- colin wrote: > > > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > Better safe than sorry, my friend - get it > >taken out. > > > i am booked in for the 30th at 9.40am. > thanks catherine If it makes you feel any better, I've also heard that if there's a hair in it, it isn't cancer. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:16:58 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hey Eddie, can you lend me a few bucks (njc) In a message dated 1/23/03 12:37:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Here's and article about a group that's trying to preserve a landmark in > Bruce's old stomping grounds: > > Rosie LOVES Tillie. Tillie's neon wink and six foot grin glowed for the last time on November 27, 1988. Then without notice the Palace went dark and has remained dark ever since, without so much as a dime's worth of upkeep. Here is what The Palace Amusement use to look like http://www.flynnwriting.homestead.com/palace_glory.html I'm a supporter of this preservation campaign . I've sent several emails to the Governor of the fine State of New Jersey to save Tillie!!!. I'm temping for a very wealthy real estate land developer who I know could get the funding to buy The Palace Amusements, but why bother, he'd only want to tear her down and put up an apartment high-rise. BTW, Smurfie, Bruce to play a Benefit concert in your neck of the woods........... BRUCE & PATTI TO PLAY BOSTON-AREA BENEFIT As reported in the Boston Herald, Bruce Springsteen and Patti Scialfa will be playing an intimate benefit concert in Somerville, MA, on February 20. The Somerville Theatre holds roughly 900 people, and tickets are expected to be between $1000 and $5000, to benefit DoubleTake magazine. Springsteen was interviewed by Will Percy in the Spring 1998 issue of DoubleTake; five years later, the quarterly magazine has "temporarily suspended publication pending further funding." - - January 23, 2003 I've got money for a bus ticket, but could anyone spare an extra 1,000.00?? =) rosie in nj Beyond the Palace hemi-powered drones scream down the boulevard The girls comb their hair in rearview mirrors And the boys try to look so hard The amusement park rises bold and stark Kids are huddled on the beach in a mist I wanna die with you Wendy on the streets tonight In an everlasting kiss ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #55 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)