From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #54 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 054 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shadows & Light DVD [arid@geneva-link.ch] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #51NJC [colin ] Re: terminology NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Damned if you do....., njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] SHADOWS AND LIGHT DVD [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: speaking english VLJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: A New Standard? [AzeemAK@aol.com] daft NJC [colin ] NJC [colin ] speaking english NJC [Ron Greer ] gods home movie??? NJC [Ron Greer ] Dancing and Architecture. NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] NJC Lyrics of the moment for me, ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Worry - NJC [Ricw1217@aol.com] NJC New Steely Dan on the way [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re : terminology SJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Dancing and Architecture (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] THE YES CHORUS ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: THE YES CHORUS [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: gods home movie??? NJC ["Moni Kellermann" ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians [Mags N Brei ] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [colin ] CMIARS [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] NJC Re: CMIARS [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Free will and determinism NJC [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC ["kasey simpson" ] Re: PC on the JMDL (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC New Steely Dan on the way [Deb Messling ] Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC [Mags N Brei ] Re: NRH/Favorite Joni "look" [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Shadows & Light DVD [Jerry Notaro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:52:59 +0100 From: arid@geneva-link.ch Subject: Re: Shadows & Light DVD A place in Japan: Catalog No.: COBY-91011 * Media: DVD * Number of discs (or other units): 1 * Release Date: 2002/12/11 * Price: 2800 Yen (US$ 23.43) Cast JONI MITCHELL Description Priced-down reissue, housed in a keepcase. Joni Mitchell herself directed the filmig of this 1979 show that features guest performances from the late Jaco Pastorius, Pat Metheny, among others. Edition Details * Running Time: 74 mins. * DVD Video * Color * Layers: single-sided/single-layered * Aspect Ratio(s): 4:3 * Regional Encoding: 2 * NTSC Format http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=COBY-91011 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:22:47 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #51NJC Eryl B Davies wrote: >Re: don't discuss-suggestionNJC [colin ] > >colin could we discuss this non discussion list? > as long as no one gets upset. > >Eryl > >P.S. I think English is more interesting than just the variety of accents. For >instance: If a vegetarian eats vegetables what does a humanitarian eat? or Why >is there a difference between a wise man and a wise guy? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:07:29 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: terminology NJC >>No one is "pro-abortion." Everyone is "pro-life." The accurate terms are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice."<< OK. I can live with that. Thanks. mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:15:51 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Damned if you do....., njc Not surprising, but funny anyway. Laurent Arab League ''condemns'' NASA shuttle launch=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 DUBAI, - The Arab League ''strongly condemned'' this week the = launch of the NASA space shuttle Columbia with Israeli astronaut Col. = Ilan Ramon on board. ''We strongly condemn this illegal Zionist = activity'' said Arab League spokesman Abr Souffla. ''We will not sit = idly by and permit this usurpation of a cosmos that by birthright = belongs to the Palestinian people and their Arab and Muslim brethren. = The Zionists must not be permitted any further territorial grabs of = Historic Palestine, whether in the West Bank or in low earth orbit''.=20 Souffla added that Palestinians and Muslims in general have a = historic linkage to outer space arising from Mohammed's "celestial night = journey" to the heavens. The celestial zone was described by Souffla as = "Islam's fourth holiest site". In New York today, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said that an = Israeli presence in space is ''unhelpful'' and would only serve to = further aggravate tensions between Israelis and Arabs. The sentiment was = echoed from Madrid by EU representative Javier Solana, who said that = what the Middle East needed was more negotiation, and ''less cosmic = adventurism.'' In Gaza City, thousands of Palestinians marched in the streets, = many firing weapons into the air. ''With our blood and our souls, we = will strike the orbital Zionists,'' chanted the protestors. Sheikh = Yermani-Makr, appearing on Palestinian television, said, ''It is not = enough that the unbelievers have come on our land, but now they defile = our heavens? =20 =20 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image002.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 05:17:46 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: SHADOWS AND LIGHT DVD Ive actually seen it in stores I live in Jersey and we have a place called CD World ( they sell video also) and its like 50bux..I had to return a dvd player I recieved for christmas and somehow I left my copy in the dvd player I returned UGGH!!!anyway ill get one someday again..Its worth it though joni sounds great and the audience is really great also.. PEACE AND LOVE EVERYONES WAY.....****KEVIN**** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:26:08 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: speaking english VLJC >>Here in Canada - which is I don't know how many times the size of the UK...<< According to my Economist screensaver, Canada is 41 times bigger than the UK. What surprised me when checking this out is that New Zealand is also bigger than the UK, but only by a little. Wales, in comparison, is 460 times smaller than Canada and although Canada has Leonard Cohen, Mags and of course, Joni; Wales has David Grey, Gwynedd Jones, Tom Jones, Catherine Zeta-Jones, John Cale, Anthony Hopkins, Sian Phillips, Bonnie Tyler, the Manic Street Preachers and my not inconsiderable good self. IMHO, of course. And you know there may be more... mike in exile NPIMH Tom Jones. The Green, Green Grass of Home PS Wally, send me your phone number if you want to hear my north-walian accent... Then you can die in peace and believe you've gone to heaven. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:12:14 -0500 From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: A New Standard? I'd say one criterion by which this can be judged is whether a song sounds like a standard *when it first appears*. Blue Motel Room fits here, IMHO: even on a first hearing, it has a timelessness about it. River fits into this category too, especially with its musical quoting of Jingle Bells. The Circle Game, meanwhile, has a nursery-rhyme feel to it, which I'm sure explains its enduring popularity. Obviously, this doesn't mean that a song which appears to have these qualities will necessarily become a standard, so I guess this measure is more of a song's *potential* to become a standard. By contrast, much as I love Hejira (understatement - it's my nfavourite song from my favourite album ever), I don't think it will ever be a standard - it's too long, too complex, the melody is too elliptical. I've probably mentioned this before, but a modern song that has a most extraordinary feel of permanence is Mary Margaret O'Hara's Keeping You In Mind, a sublime marriage of melody, arrangement and lyric which sounds for all the world as if it were a recently unearthed Cole Porter tune. It's a song that ruddy well *should* be a standard! The folk tradition is a rich source of songs that sound as old as the hills, even though they are newly minted. In the hands of a real master of the form, such as Richard Thompson or Kate Rusby, you could listen to an album and not be sure which songs were originals and which were "trad/arr". Although RT rarely records trad material these days, in the Fairport days songs like Crazy Man Michael and Farewell Farewell fitted in seamlessly with the hoary old songs of death at sea and adultery. Come to think of it, that sounds like a Nick Cave album... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:18:54 +0000 From: colin Subject: daft NJC I went for my regular gp checkup on Monday. Just for blood pressure(which is fine) and a chat. Juts to make sure I am still on the planet I guess. Anyway, I mentioned that the mole on my tummy has been bothering me. I have had it there since forever. Well, I think it got caught by my trouser top when i wore them for a show. I normally wear jogging trousers at home. It doesn't look any different o me. My gp however said she would cut it out and send it off for biopsy. I didn't really register this at the time but by today I am thinking about it and my shouders hurt like mad. so I am tense. The mole looks the way it always does to me. It has a hiar growing out of it and it is right where the hair is that bled and was sore for a day or two. It doesn't bother me at all now. I still think it is best to have it removed. I am just having difficulty keeping my thoughts sensible. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:19:52 +0000 From: colin Subject: NJC > Four Catholic ladies are having coffee together. > > The first one tells her friends, 'My son is > a Priest. When he walks into a room, everyone > says 'Father'. > > The second one chirps 'My son is a Bishop. > Whenever he walks into a room, everyone says > 'your Grace'.' > > The third Catholic lady says smugly, 'My son > is a Cardinal. When he walks into a room, > everyone says 'Your Eminence'.' > > The fourth Catholic lady sips her coffee > in silence. > > The first three ladies all ask, 'Well...?' > > She replies, 'My son is a 6' 2' ,hard-bodied > stripper, and hung like a rhino. When he > walks into a room, everyone says, 'Oh, > my God... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:47:59 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: speaking english NJC hi since dubya moved in its pronounced "war - shington"??? >>>fauchja wrote > that is what my 7th grade English teacher told me. She said that the > American spoken around Cleveland was the purest dialect of the > language. 7th grade English teachers do not lie. >>>>>lori wrote >Fauch no, they don't! ; ) > >Now here's a question: do you say "wash" or "worsh"? (Washington or >Worshington?) ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:02:50 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: gods home movie??? NJC hi >>ron in LA wrote >>>When it gets boiled down to God and his vcr, who can refute that logic? ROTFLMAO! & ron in SA responds npimh - "gods home movie" by horse. a truly beautiful song. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:03:39 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Dancing and Architecture. NJC m: Steve Dulson Subject: Dancing (NJC) Steve copied in what Bob wrote: >Don't know about dancing to it, but hey, I suppose one can dance to anything. AND steve replied Except architecture! :) OH I have to disagree. the Thames Embankment makes me want to dance when I see the skylline and some of the buildings... It is just such a wonderful view. I can never resist the ureg to High kick when going up and down broad sweeps of stairs either... or am I just mad? Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:20:14 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: NJC Lyrics of the moment for me, Trying to figure out how you all get to answer each other before postings!! I am missing out somehow......DURRR BRAIN ME! Lyrics at the moment (some pertinent some very impertinent with their arrival in my head at odd moments) Pertinent... "I know it would be outrageous, to come on all courageous And offer you my hand To pull you up on to dry land when all I got is sinking sand the trick aint worth the time it buys I'm sick and tired of my own lies And love's a raven when it flies Honey now if I'm honest I still don't know what love is" David Gray, "The other side" (New day at Midnight) Impertinent lyrics How about "postman Pat, postman pat, post man Pat and his black and white cat"...... that one is really hard to shake off and I do not even have any kids who watch the show, but I was in a school the other day and one of the infants sang it loudly..... The other one impertinent one which is haunting me is Johnny's not a high concept guy but he's front page news Let me tell you why He's on the cover of the New York Post All three networks coast to coast All he needed was a hot night in june 'Cos he had the needle and he had the spoon When he spiked it bit, and man he flew Into America's living room.... Paul Brady "Marriage made in Hollywood" Spirits colliding.....Brilliant album Ah well the mind is strange as to what it hangs onto at times.... I have come to the conclusion that some of the VERY abstract thoughts that pop into our brains are actually parts of other people's mobile phone conversations and text messages that somehow stick to your brain. Otherwise why did I suddenly look to buy bananas in a shoe shop? I knew I needed shoes but suddenly thought "oh whlie I am here I must get some bananas"...... and they are my least favourite fruit....... or is someone going to tell me bananas are veg! Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:43:52 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Worry - NJC save the country indeed. my only consolation in all this preparation for mr. bush's war is that, perhaps, by insisting on this catastrophic war he so desperately wants, he may in fact destroy his presidency and help oust himself from the office he never won in the first place. he seems to be proving that he is every bit as dangerous to the future of the world as the man he is so committed to removing from power, and so, with the rising level of protest over this arrogant and swaggering policy of his, both in this country and abroad, i find reason to hope. on the other hand, a good dog and some trees sounds like a nice idea too.... hang in there heather my dear. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:47:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC New Steely Dan on the way For those of you who are Becker-Fagen nuts like me: http://steelydan.com/newcd.html Also, the boys will be guests on Marian McPartland's wonderful "Piano Jazz" NPR radio show in February. Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Up In Arms" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:42:53 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: re : terminology SJC In last digest I got, and thanks to all who explained the "reply before publishing anomaly" I get the degst not all mail......., Fred wrote "The accurate terms are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice." - - -Fred" Well done Fred... that says it all really... Whether we are involved in the philosophical debate of "free will or determinism" or just bumbling along trying to make sense of how to do an oil change on your car without upsetting neighbours.... we all like to feel we have a choice in life.... however it is spurred along and whatever the conclusion we "do things". We are humans and "things" is what we do. Some "things" we do well... some not so well. Our decisions may offend the sensibilities of others, the choices we make may not always be the best ones, but we do have to learn to live with the consequences of the actions we take at the time, and acknowledge the factors that were operating at the time we made the choice. I think it would be nice to be JOni, as she must know that the THING she does is brilliant ....in our humble opinion, anyway...... Well that is my two pence worth (I wonder what that is in Euros) for now. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:09:01 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Dancing and Architecture (NJC) Hi Lucy! >OH I have to disagree. the Thames Embankment makes me want to dance >when I see the skylline and some of the buildings... It is just such >a wonderful view. I can never resist the ureg to High kick when >going up and down broad sweeps of stairs either... or am I just mad? No, not at all! I was just riffing on the statement (attributed to Elvis Costello, David Byrne and others) that "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." I like the Thames Embankment too...I was walking on it in October. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:16:50 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: THE YES CHORUS Watching all come and go pretending knowledge of Michelangelo - Was contemplating Reubens Rembrandt and the like - are we strong enough to admit we have been a bit hasty and wrong in our conclusions on War etc? I know some moron will say but you only know of these greats because it was taught to you - to which I must reply - PLEASE PLEASE JUST PREPARE THE COMPARATIVE LIST OF EQUALS TO ALL THE GREATS OF OUR ACADEMIC HISTORY FOR ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLES YOU HAVE ABANDONED US FOR AND I WILL FOLLOW IN THE GREAT TRADITION MY GENES COME FROM AND INVESTIGATE THE AUTHENTICITY OF YOUR LIST. I don't mean to scream but damnit enough is enough you all talk like 911 happened somewhere else - just what will it take to make you realize they dont find your emails or clever twists of words cute, inspiring or anything - THEY WANT TO FUCKING KILL US! They played us like a fiddle, studying everything - how we react, how our ad cool driven culture effects us and now that they are reasonably sure that we all are brain dead they will ignore what we do and concentrate on future strikes! Here is a question that ought to silence all of you - HOW MUCH MONEY AND EQUIPMENT AND MEANS OF SELF DEFENSE HAVE YOU STORED AWAY FOR A RAINY DAY? NOTHING? Just as I suspected - its all a tv fiction - again my favorite song of Mitchells - LOVE OR MONEY and our whole hole population is stuck in that truth Am I scared shitless living 30 minutes away from ground zero - is it cold in winter in the north?! By the way - I didnt do much in the event of - we do not think death because we do not breed our people to believe in a God of death - I am sure this one will be buried in the much speaking of the second tier peacocks that strut along the pages here Suzanne MarcAurele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:25:04 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC God (or, say, a psychic) may have a thousand vcr tapes, or images, or whatever, each one a POSSIBLE future. No problem with that. No incompatibility with choice. But if god or the psychic KNOWS which choices we will pick, then there is no longer any choice. If they know it, it must be true. We cannot know things that are false. If it is true -- when god knows -- it that I will do X at point t2 in the future, then it is also true NOW that I will do X at point t2 in the future. So I may FEEL I am making a choice - and I may spend years "deliberating", as I see it, whether to do the thing that god knows I will do -- but the sense of choice is illusory, because it is already an object of knowledge for god. Sarah From: "RSM" What if God has a thousand vcr tapes of your life, each one a possibility. (I would hope that God uses cdr or something a bit more modern, of course -- saves all that time rewinding!!) But God knows precisely which choices that you will pick, using your free will. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: THE YES CHORUS uh, who's "they" - --- Suzanne MarcAurele wrote: > Watching all come and go pretending knowledge of > Michelangelo - > > Was contemplating Reubens Rembrandt and the like - > are we strong enough to > admit we have been a bit hasty and wrong in our > conclusions on War etc? I > know some moron will say but you only know of these > greats because it was > taught to you - to which I must reply - PLEASE > PLEASE JUST PREPARE THE > COMPARATIVE LIST OF EQUALS TO ALL THE GREATS OF OUR > ACADEMIC HISTORY FOR ALL > THESE OTHER PEOPLES YOU HAVE ABANDONED US FOR AND I > WILL FOLLOW IN THE GREAT > TRADITION MY GENES COME FROM AND INVESTIGATE THE > AUTHENTICITY OF YOUR LIST. > > I don't mean to scream but damnit enough is enough > you all talk like 911 > happened somewhere else - just what will it take to > make you realize they > dont find your emails or clever twists of words > cute, inspiring or > anything - THEY WANT TO FUCKING KILL US! > > They played us like a fiddle, studying everything - > how we react, how our ad > cool driven culture effects us and now that they are > reasonably sure that we > all are brain dead they will ignore what we do and > concentrate on future > strikes! Here is a question that ought to silence > all of you - HOW MUCH > MONEY AND EQUIPMENT AND MEANS OF SELF DEFENSE HAVE > YOU STORED AWAY FOR A > RAINY DAY? NOTHING? Just as I suspected - its all > a tv fiction - again my > favorite song of Mitchells - LOVE OR MONEY and our > whole hole population is > stuck in that truth > > Am I scared shitless living 30 minutes away from > ground zero - is it cold in > winter in the north?! > > By the way - I didnt do much in the event of - we do > not think death because > we do not breed our people to believe in a God of > death - > > I am sure this one will be buried in the much > speaking of the second tier > peacocks that strut along the pages here > > Suzanne MarcAurele Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:06:28 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: gods home movie??? NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Greer" > npimh - "gods home movie" by horse. a truly beautiful song. Great you mention Horse! They made 2 good albums before they split, probably because they weren't successful. God's Home Movie is excellent and the opener of that album, "Celebrate" should have been a No.1-hit if the record company had had a clue how to market them. I remember that once Horse were a supporting act on a concert and the reviewer in the daily paper wrote about the singer as "he" and "him" - he didn't notice that Horse McDonald was a woman! Okay, she looked a little butch ;))) Now the singer has blonde hair, looks less butch and has a website. There you can download a couple of mp3s from the Horse era, including "God's Home Movie". So get it from: http://www.horse-randan.com/av.html In the U.K. you can get the latest album here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005O7Q6/ Germans can get it here: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005O7Q6/ref=nosim/cagnlace/ It's not available at Amazon US (also, the one album listed there by "Horse" is NOT from this band here). moni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:17:22 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC A Sunday Times food critic got into trouble a few years ago for calling all Welshmen "sheep shaggers" because there's nothing else to do in Wales, apparently. It was the old story of them putting the sheep's back legs into wellington boots to stabilize them. Perhaps Mike can verify whether this happens, due to boredom, or whatever. A group of indignant Welshmen threatened to sue, so the food critic had to issue a humble apology, which he did by repeating the slander at very great length: "I am VERY SORRY FOR CALLING ALL WELSH MEN SHEEP SHAGGERS; I should never have implied that Welsh men SHAG SHEEP ALL DAY LONG", which only got him into more trouble. And in defence of my adopted country, Canada has not only produced Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen, but also: Alanis Morrisette, Neil Young, Avril Lavine, Paul Anka, Gordon Lightfoot, Shania Twain, Bruce Cockburn, Ian Tyson, Burton Cummings, Celine Dion, Sarah McLaughlin, Anne Murray, Bare Naked Ladies, Donald Sutherland, Kiefer Sutherland, Leslie Nielson, John Candy, Martin Short, Andrea Martin, Robert Goulet, Raymond Burr, Dan Aykroyd, Glenn Ford, Michael J. Fox, Mike Myres, Matthew Perry, Christopher Plummer, Jason Priestley, Keanu Reeves, Jim Carey, Lauren Green the actor that played Ben Cartwright in Bonanza, and the great William Shatner, the original Captain Kirk of Star Trek. I can recite these names like an incantation because Canadians are forever talking about them. Watch television or listen to music here and it's: "he's Canadian", "oh look, Canadian" and "hey, bet you didn't know that she's Canadian, eh!" and so on. Canada is 41 times bigger than the UK but has a smaller population, which to me is incredible. Good in the sense that you can drive for miles without seeing any towns, houses or cars. Bad in the sense that you can drive for miles without seeing any towns, houses . . . ;-) Sarah At 11:26 AM +0100 01/23/2003, mike pritchard wrote: >According to my Economist screensaver, Canada is 41 times bigger >than the UK. What surprised me when checking this out is that New >Zealand is also bigger than the UK, but only by a little. Wales, in >comparison, is 460 times smaller than Canada and although Canada has >Leonard Cohen, Mags and of course, Joni; Wales has David Grey, >Gwynedd Jones, Tom Jones, Catherine Zeta-Jones, John Cale, Anthony >Hopkins, Sian Phillips, Bonnie Tyler, the Manic Street Preachers and >my not inconsiderable good self. IMHO, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian musicians sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: And in defence of my adopted country, Canada has not only produced Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen, but also: Alanis Morrisette, Neil Young, Avril Lavine, Paul Anka, Gordon Lightfoot, Shania Twain, Bruce Cockburn, Ian Tyson, Burton Cummings, Celine Dion, Sarah McLaughlin, Anne Murray, Bare Naked Ladies, Donald Sutherland, Kiefer Sutherland, Leslie Nielson, John Candy, Martin Short, Andrea Martin, Robert Goulet, Raymond Burr, Dan Aykroyd, Glenn Ford, Michael J. Fox, Mike Myres, Matthew Perry, Christopher Plummer, Jason Priestley, Keanu Reeves, Jim Carey, Lauren Green the actor that played Ben Cartwright in Bonanza, and the great William Shatner, the original Captain Kirk of Star Trek. I can recite these names like an incantation because Canadians are forever talking about them. Watch television or listen to music here and it's: "he's Canadian", "oh look, Canadian" and "hey, bet you didn't know that she's Canadian, eh!" and so on. Canada is 41 times bigger than the UK but has a smaller population, which to me is incredible. Good in the sense that you can drive for miles without seeing any towns, houses or cars. Bad in the sense that you can drive for miles without seeing any towns, houses . . . ;-) Hi Sarah... Don't forget Stan Rogers, his brother Garnet Rogers, Stan's son David Rogers and Stan's other son Nathan Rogers, who people dont know as well.Also, Loreena McKennitt, Sarah Harmer..... to mention but a few more Mags, thrilled to see so much talk of Canada on the list these days hi Stephen, hi Roberto, hi Michael, hi Chuck, hi Andrew np: Beth Orton Brilliant Bits...thanks to honorary Canadians JohnNClaud ;-) ooooo bits of norwegian wood You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:34:12 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC I would just like to point out that all these people came to the my country....USA!!!!!! :) Kasey.....who grew up south of Cleveland and speaks excellent Amarakan:) And in defence of my adopted country, Canada has not only produced Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen, but also: Alanis Morrisette, Neil Young, Avril Lavine, Paul Anka, Gordon Lightfoot, Shania Twain, Bruce Cockburn, Ian Tyson, Burton Cummings, Celine Dion, Sarah McLaughlin, Anne Murray, Bare Naked Ladies, Donald Sutherland, Kiefer Sutherland, Leslie Nielson, John Candy, Martin Short, Andrea Martin, Robert Goulet, Raymond Burr, Dan Aykroyd, Glenn Ford, Michael J. Fox, Mike Myres, Matthew Perry, Christopher Plummer, Jason Priestley, Keanu Reeves, Jim Carey, Lauren Green the actor that played Ben Cartwright in Bonanza, and the great William Shatner, the original Captain Kirk of Star Trek. I can recite these names like an incantation because Canadians are forever talking about them. Watch television or listen to music here and it's: "he's Canadian", "oh look, Canadian" and "hey, bet you didn't know that she's Canadian, eh!" and so on. Canada is 41 times bigger than the UK but has a smaller population, which to me is incredible. Good in the sense that you can drive for miles without seeing any towns, houses or cars. Bad in the sense that you can drive for miles without seeing any towns, houses . . . ;-) Sarah At 11:26 AM +0100 01/23/2003, mike pritchard wrote: >According to my Economist screensaver, Canada is 41 times bigger >than the UK. What surprised me when checking this out is that New >Zealand is also bigger than the UK, but only by a little. Wales, in >comparison, is 460 times smaller than Canada and although Canada has >Leonard Cohen, Mags and of course, Joni; Wales has David Grey, >Gwynedd Jones, Tom Jones, Catherine Zeta-Jones, John Cale, Anthony >Hopkins, Sian Phillips, Bonnie Tyler, the Manic Street Preachers and >my not inconsiderable good self. IMHO, of course.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:35:55 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Hey Eddie, can you lend me a few bucks (njc) Here's and article about a group that's trying to preserve a landmark in Bruce's old stomping grounds: http://www.boston.com/dailynews/023/region/Former_Asbury_Park_amusement_a:.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:40:11 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Dancing and Architecture , and FANTASY DINNER PARTY SJC. Oh Talking Heads....David Byrne.......I so like his mind!!! I think "once in a lifetime" would come to the desert island. Now I am sure this has been a topic that rears its head all over the various lists but could any of us choose 10 tracks a la "Desert Island Discs" (BBC Radio 4 every friday at 9 am) that would be soooo unbelievably hard just to only have the 10.. but for my luxury/fantasy item it would probably be the entire lineup from the '70 Isle of wight concert. Couldn't go and see it, too young but what a lineup!!! and of course I would get to have Joni there And that would be wonderful except that Blue and Court and Spark were still in the making but I would have some great stuff anyway.... OK forget the choice of records.... Who would any of us invite to a dinner party... from all spheres of life and from all eras of history with no problem about understanding their language and all of them eating whatever you put in front of them? Smoking would be entirely permitted... and no one would complain Mine would be Joni, Degas, Rodin, TS Eliot, and WB Yeats, Katherine the Great, Gary Larson, Garrison Keillor, Alan Rickman, Adolph Hitler and Mother Teresa, Anna Akhmatova, Margaret Atwood, Virginia Woolf, Adrienne Rich, Dylan Thomas, David Byrne, Nelson Mandela, Tennyson, Martin Luther King, J F Kennedy, Winston Churchill, Marie Curie, Gallieleo, Caravaggio and finally, Edward Hopper.......... That would do for a cross section for me.... some arts, some sciences and some politics......They would each have to design a hat and wear it and explain why they had made the hat they wore and what it meant to them. Who would you all invite? Lucy NP "If it doesn't come naturally leave it" Al Stewart. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dulson" To: "Lucy Hone" ; Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: Dancing and Architecture (NJC) > Hi Lucy! > > >OH I have to disagree. the Thames Embankment makes me want to dance > >when I see the skylline and some of the buildings... It is just such > >a wonderful view. I can never resist the ureg to High kick when > >going up and down broad sweeps of stairs either... or am I just mad? > > No, not at all! I was just riffing on the statement (attributed > to Elvis Costello, David Byrne and others) that "Writing about > music is like dancing about architecture." > > I like the Thames Embankment too...I was walking on it in October. :) > -- > ######################################################## > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com > "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com > "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:40:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC now in praise of Canadian news anchors Can I add Peter Jennings to the list? For some reason I just love Peter Jennings. Oh, and one of my other favorite Canadians: Kurt Browning! Jenny a Canadian wannabe - --- Mags N Brei wrote: > sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > And in defence of my adopted country, Canada has not > only produced > Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen, but also: Alanis > Morrisette, Neil > Young, Avril Lavine, Paul Anka, Gordon Lightfoot, > Shania Twain, Bruce > Cockburn, Ian Tyson, Burton Cummings, Celine Dion, > Sarah McLaughlin, > Anne Murray, Bare Naked Ladies, Donald Sutherland, > Kiefer Sutherland, > Leslie Nielson, John Candy, Martin Short, Andrea > Martin, Robert > Goulet, Raymond Burr, Dan Aykroyd, Glenn Ford, > Michael J. Fox, Mike > Myres, Matthew Perry, Christopher Plummer, Jason > Priestley, Keanu > Reeves, Jim Carey, Lauren Green the actor that > played Ben Cartwright > in Bonanza, and the great William Shatner, the > original Captain Kirk > of Star Trek. > > I can recite these names like an incantation because > Canadians are > forever talking about them. Watch television or > listen to music here > and it's: "he's Canadian", "oh look, Canadian" and > "hey, bet you > didn't know that she's Canadian, eh!" and so on. > > Canada is 41 times bigger than the UK but has a > smaller population, > which to me is incredible. Good in the sense that > you can drive for > miles without seeing any towns, houses or cars. Bad > in the sense > that you can drive for miles without seeing any > towns, houses . . . > ;-) > > > Hi Sarah... > > Don't forget Stan Rogers, his brother Garnet Rogers, > Stan's son David Rogers and Stan's other son Nathan > Rogers, who people dont know as well.Also, Loreena > McKennitt, Sarah Harmer..... to mention but a few > more > > Mags, thrilled to see so much talk of Canada on the > list these days > > hi Stephen, hi Roberto, hi Michael, hi Chuck, hi > Andrew > > np: Beth Orton Brilliant Bits...thanks to honorary > Canadians JohnNClaud ;-) > > ooooo bits of norwegian wood > > > > > > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:41:46 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: terminology NJC I think it depends on what side of the fence you are on. The two sides are Right to Life, and Pro-Choice. The RTL would say it's pro-life, or anti-life. Being pro-choice would mean you are for (pro) abortion. Kasey No one is "pro-abortion." Everyone is "pro-life." The accurate terms are "pro-choice" and "anti-choice." - -FredGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:42:42 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > God (or, say, a psychic) may have a thousand vcr tapes, or images, or > whatever, each one a POSSIBLE future. No problem with that. No > incompatibility with choice. > > But if god or the psychic KNOWS which choices we will pick, then there > is no longer any choice. > i don't think that is logical conclusion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:45:22 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: CMIARS Hello All I have been working in legaltechnology firm for the past 2 weeks (yawn) in between auditions/living etc... and the only saviour this job has has been the fact that while we are inputting data, we can listen to music played on our pcs over the headphones. I have brought in a wealth of Joni's this past few weeks but the only one that I have played everyday is CMIARS. It must be the slick production (I prefer it to DED) and maybe the themes... lawyers, etc. The other songs that I have been made to listen is Sex Kills (I usually skip it when I play it at home) and Sire Of Sorrow (TI Version). I must say that listening only to the Travelogue version for the past few weeks, I have really opened my ears to the harmonies on Job's Sad Song, and the subtle guitar arrangement on the original version that Mendoza has brought to the fore on the current version. Sublime. I must say that I do prefer the Travelogue version of Sex Kills but it needs more than my headphones can manage volume wise! Also Dancin' Clown really rocks, not a favourite but I do enjoy the video of her dancing around the kitchen with the cats. And there is a song whose rhythms are very close to the opening sound of Harlem In Havana but I can't remember which, it might be The Beat Of Black Wings... In fact it is. Also beenlistening to Nyro's 'Tendaberry' album which I didn't really get into when I first heard it. It's probably gonna take more listenings to get me into her... Tom Waits' Closing Time, also very good. Dylan's Blonde On The Tracks Hope everyone is well, it's HOME TIME!!!!!!!!!!! - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:54:02 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: CMIARS In a message dated 1/23/2003 12:45:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamiezubairi@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Dylan's Blonde On The Tracks Don't you mean "Blood on Blonde"? ;~) Bob NP: Aretha, "Day Dreaming" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:01:10 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Only because it's so very cold here Kasey (minus 27 C today here and snowing). Americans can't claim the credit for their CLIMATE. ;-) Sarah At 12:34 PM -0600 01/23/2003, kasey simpson wrote: >I would just like to point out that all these people came to >the my country....USA!!!!!! :) >Kasey.....who grew up south of Cleveland and >speaks excellent Amarakan:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:10:15 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC Colin, if you KNOW (as opposed to believe) that Kevin has come in an eggcup, then it must be TRUE that Kevin has come in an eggcup, or else you would only have (falsely) believed it, not known it. We can only KNOW what is TRUE. And if something is true in the future, it is true always, and therefore true now. If the proposition "Kevin will come in an eggcup on September 22 2010" is true then, it is true now, and always was and always will be true. So -- if god or a psychic knows that I will do X in the future, it must already be true that I will do X. And if it is true now that I will do X, it means it is true BEFORE I DO IT. And THAT means, although I felt I had choice when faced with the decision to do X, in fact I had no choice, and there was no decision, just an illusion of one. A very logical conclusion, in fact. ;-) Sarah At 5:42 PM +0000 01/23/2003, colin wrote: >sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: >>But if god or the psychic KNOWS which choices we will pick, then >>there is no longer any choice. >> >Colin wrote: >i don't think that is logical conclusion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:13:27 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC Well Sarah, it's 2 degrees Fahrenheit here in Ohio and no I'm not taking credit for that, even the wind leaves Canada to come to the USA :) Kasey Only because it's so very cold here Kasey (minus 27 C today here and snowing). Americans can't claim the credit for their CLIMATE. ;-) Sarah At 12:34 PM -0600 01/23/2003, kasey simpson wrote: >I would just like to point out that all these people came to >the my country....USA!!!!!! :) >Kasey.....who grew up south of Cleveland and >speaks excellent Amarakan:)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:20:57 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC I had just gotten this image out of my mind, and was eating eggs again.........oh well eggs are bad for me anyway. Kasey Colin, if you KNOW (as opposed to believe) that Kevin has come in an eggcup, then it must be TRUE that Kevin has come in an eggcup, or else you would only have (falsely) believed it, not known it.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:29:42 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: PC on the JMDL (njc) If anyone is looking for an alternate space in which to argue about things non-Joni (other than at JMDLPC@yahoogroups.com, where there are 14 of us waiting and ready to spar), I've found another potentially cool place: http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/scripts/perl/ikonboard3/ikonboard.cgi For those of you who don't have DishTV, or do but haven't yet tuned into Channel 9415, you might want to visit the Free Speech TV website: http://www.fstv.org (or http://www.freespeech.org) FSTV is quickly becoming a regular part of my television viewing. Rock on, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:33:27 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: NJC New Steely Dan on the way Great news! I love these guys. Joni has expressed admiration for them also, and chose the song "Gaucho" for one of her picks on "My Top Twelve." At 08:47 AM 1/23/03 -0500, you wrote: >For those of you who are Becker-Fagen nuts like me: >http://steelydan.com/newcd.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/03 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: trying to speak english in wales NJC kasey simpson wrote: I would just like to point out that all these people came to the my country....USA!!!!!! :) Kasey.....who grew up south of Cleveland and speaks excellent Amarakan:) LOL Kasey, even Mags did and we are working on Stephen next ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:45:06 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Free will and determinism NJC Sorry to ruin your breakfast Kasey, LOL Sarah At 1:20 PM -0600 01/23/2003, kasey simpson wrote: > I had just gotten this image out of my mind, and >was eating eggs again.........oh well eggs are bad >for me anyway. >Kasey > > >Colin, if you KNOW (as opposed to believe) that Kevin has come in an >eggcup, then it must be TRUE that Kevin has come in an eggcup, or >else you would only have (falsely) believed it, not known it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:45:54 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: njc terminology (beware not fluffy subject) Kasey, You cannot and will not define what I believe. No more than I can do that to you. I am not pro-abortion and frankly I do not give a damn what definitions Right to life uses. Those are their categories, not mine, and I do not buy into their attempt to define the debate to suit them. I am not pro-abortion. I am pro choice. Funny that for those supporting the propsoed military action in Iraq you would scream if I called you pro war - you would say no you are not pro war but in some circumstances, in some instances, there can be a just war but you are not pro war... So then grant the same consideration that you demand. In some circumstances, in some instances, there can be a just abortion. And that doesn't make anyone pro abortion. You can't claim all leeway on your side and not grant it to others. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:51:45 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: THE YES CHORUS Let's watch it with the NJC, folks...please? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: THE YES CHORUS > Watching all come and go pretending knowledge of Michelangelo - > > Was contemplating Reubens Rembrandt and the like - are we strong enough to > admit we have been a bit hasty and wrong in our conclusions on War etc? I > know some moron will say but you only know of these greats because it was > taught to you - to which I must reply - PLEASE PLEASE JUST PREPARE THE > COMPARATIVE LIST OF EQUALS TO ALL THE GREATS OF OUR ACADEMIC HISTORY FOR ALL > THESE OTHER PEOPLES YOU HAVE ABANDONED US FOR AND I WILL FOLLOW IN THE GREAT > TRADITION MY GENES COME FROM AND INVESTIGATE THE AUTHENTICITY OF YOUR LIST. > > I don't mean to scream but damnit enough is enough you all talk like 911 > happened somewhere else - just what will it take to make you realize they > dont find your emails or clever twists of words cute, inspiring or > anything - THEY WANT TO FUCKING KILL US! > > They played us like a fiddle, studying everything - how we react, how our ad > cool driven culture effects us and now that they are reasonably sure that we > all are brain dead they will ignore what we do and concentrate on future > strikes! Here is a question that ought to silence all of you - HOW MUCH > MONEY AND EQUIPMENT AND MEANS OF SELF DEFENSE HAVE YOU STORED AWAY FOR A > RAINY DAY? NOTHING? Just as I suspected - its all a tv fiction - again my > favorite song of Mitchells - LOVE OR MONEY and our whole hole population is > stuck in that truth > > Am I scared shitless living 30 minutes away from ground zero - is it cold in > winter in the north?! > > By the way - I didnt do much in the event of - we do not think death because > we do not breed our people to believe in a God of death - > > I am sure this one will be buried in the much speaking of the second tier > peacocks that strut along the pages here > > Suzanne MarcAurele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:52:51 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: NRH/Favorite Joni "look" I don't think I could pinpoint my "favorite" Joni look, but these are the highlights for me: The Hejira Cover-she projects a hawk-like gaze and an icy facade betrayed by the sensuality of those lips! Intelligence and sensuality, and, as Kev mentioned, that fierce beret! The silhouette in Court and Spark-a still image that conveys the movement and passion of freedom and youthful love Chalk Mark Cover-the slanted brim of the hat and again those lips! PWWAM-absolutely stunning! Love Puts on a New Face (Jay Leno Show) She's wearing a knitted skullcap and her brow and eye make-up is a little heavier than usual for her and it gives her a Georgia O'Keefe-ian quality that is quite painterly and bohemian--you can picture this woman painting and smoking cigarettes and living the artist's life at an age when many have settled into a quiet and empty mid-life. What I love about this, is that it's an archetype you NEVER see in the Midwest, and rarely anywhere at all. I would see women like this in Santa Fe and in some places in Northern California. Arty, intelligent and vibrant and conveying the youthful energy unavailable from botox or the blade. KEN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:30:18 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Shadows & Light DVD Randy Remote wrote: > You will have to get it in the 'grey' market-as it has apparently not > been released anywhere but Singapore. You can find it on ebay > for about $25. It claims to be 5.1 surround, but I have my doubts > about that. Maybe they ran it through some kind of a simulator. > Anyone know? It is remastered from the original recording in 5.1 surround, which is typical. I find the result to be excellent. And, of course, you can always choose to hear the original stereo. If you buy it on Ebay (which I did) make sure you are getting the DVD and not the CD-ROM video recording. There is a big difference in quality. Jerry NP: Shawn Colvin - Someone Like You ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #54 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)