From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #36 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 036 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 [colin ] Joni and Symphony Space in NYC [Aaron Goldberg ] Re: Just war (NJC) [vince ] Joni PWWAM on cable & more [Randy Remote ] Re: quick jokes and other persiflage!!! NJC [colin ] RE: Best CD's of 2002 NJC ["michael o'malley" ] re;talking about Joni Mitchell with my writing group [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: Best CD's of 2002 NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Just war (NJC) ["chuty001" ] NION ["Kate Bennett" ] ACOY Covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The True Bush Agenda In Iraq [Kent Southard ] Re: Just war (NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: My Epiphany jc now oops now back to NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The True Bush Agenda In Iraq [Phyliss Ward ] Re: war protests Kosovo njc ["kakki" ] Re: ACOY Covers [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: NION (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: My Epiphany - HOSL ["Bree Mcdonough" ] The unknown Joni [Little Bird ] "Yellow checkers for the kitchen" [Little Bird ] Note to Joni: 'hits' brought in a new rabid fan! ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama] Brian and Joni, sittin' in a tree- was "My epiphany" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(] Re: Travelogue Opinion, short, njc really ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] more lying njc pc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Smoking gun? ["Arlene T." ] Today's Library Links: January 17 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:20:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 However, as far as > I'm concerned she really did ruin her voice through smoking this is not backed up by people who know-voice teachers. A voice can be ruined by lack of proper use of the vocal chords, by lacking of training and udnerstanding. It hs nothing to do with smoking. A common falacy. (and naturally > through no fault of her own just by the aging process). The ageing process does have a part to play tho agian, if properly used, that can be minimised. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Goldberg Subject: Joni and Symphony Space in NYC Hi, This is my first post to the forum. I've been a Joniphile for years ( too many to mention). Here is my contribution, my post: Symphony Space presents Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell, March, 22, 2003. Please go to the site: Symphony space.org for more info. Be sure to click on music. This is a great forum and I've really enjoy reading the posts. Thanks, Aaron Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:48:09 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Just war (NJC) sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: >Following that argument, you would have respected Germany's right to >elect Adolf Hitler, with all the consequences thereof, and you would >have condemned any other nation that tried to interfere with what the >Germans (let's face it, the Germans, not just Hitler) were doing to >the Jews, the gays, the mentally ill, the physically disabled, the >dissenters, the academics? > Oh, how easy to cheap and easily and glibly moralize. >Nationhood cannot be a curtain behind which people may act as they please. > >One of the very great advances of the last century was the >advancement of human rights as a universal concept. No group of >people can now arbitrarily decide to destroy any other group with >impunity. If they do, regardless of whether they're an independent >nation-state, or a gang of thugs on a street corner, they risk being >hunted down and tried internationally, or attacked militarily if a >trial is not possible. Their claim to statehood and the right to be >self-determining is no longer respected, just as a man attacking his >wife behind closed doors is no longer regarded as a private matter. > Bin Laden could, and did, make that same argument as to the why the United States must be destroyed. However, your argument and Bin Laden's argument fail on precisely the same points. Who makes the decisions in your framework? You? Bin laden? Who? I continue to await the presentation of evidence to the international war crimes tribunal. I continue to wait for my country - under two successive presidents - to become a signatory to the war crimes treaty. > It refers to a government that does not rule >arbitrarily and which is accountable to the people and the law. > And the policy of the so-called "Bush doctrine" of last September places my nation outside of any restraints other than to act in pre-emptory way towards any thing that it chooses. > >Whether some of these conditions apply are arguable. But the first >and most important - "having just cause" does apply. The people of >Iraq are being destroyed. > By what? Who does the defining? Many peoples have been destroyed in the last, say, fifteen years. 750,000 in Rwanda, and who gave a damn? Is what has happened to the Kurds, as reprehensible as that is, not in fact something that happened directly because of the first Bush administration that encouraged revolt and then stood by and did nothing? And can what has happened to the Kurds in Iraq be distinguished from what has happened to the Kurds in Turkey, or groups of people in Saudi Arabia, or other nations that we choose AT THIS MOMENT to have as allies? Why pick and choose the moral atrocities that we care about and respond to? The total failure of any consistent morality in foreign policy is its only constant. And we remember that the last US administration to make morality an issue was Carter's, for which he was roundly attacked and defeated by the same people who make the current US administration. > There is NO doubt about that. You can >doubt the weapons of mass destruction. You can doubt the oil >interests. But the humanitarian aspect stands in stark undoubted >contrast to all the other murkiness. > And bin Laden makes the same argument against the US, that our policy systemically and intentionally destroys peoples and cultures. So who makes the decisions? The one with the most power? Might makes right? Remembering your previous attacks upon Islam and advocating of rejecting people "out of hand" I hardly wish to entrust you with the ability to fairly and objectively be the arbitrator of morality on the international scene. What is totally lacking from you, and from the Bush administration, is any realization of the fact that if we were on the other side, our arguments would be the same. Take North Korea. We have 10,000 nuclear weapons pointed at their part of the world. The Bush Doctrine of September 2002 rejects forbearance of no first strike and in fact advocates presumptive strikes. And our nation under this administration tore up the ABM treaty in a unilateral action. And now we object to North Korea doing exactly what we did, pull of a treaty unilaterally, and wanting one of what we have 10,000 of. Saddem Hussein is a neighborhood bully. Unfortunately, my country is prepared to act in the same way. There has been nothing advanced that distinguishes one side from the other that then the presumption that we are the good guys (and both sides will claim that) and the other side is the bad guy (both sides claim that). Lets face reality and that is under the daddy Bush administration, this nation made commitments to Afghanistan and then to the Kurds and then walked away leaving people responsible to their fate for doing what we told them to do, and then we denied that we have any role. The moral distinction there is negligible if it exists at all. >It was exactly the same during >WW2. > No it is not. > It was this moral clarity that >made that war just. > Moral clarity making that war just? And geo-political and economic considerations had nothing to do with world war 2, in anything that led to that war to its denouement. > A similar moral clarity applies to Iraq too. >Don't let the murk blind you to that. > > > Sarah, you believe what you do, fine. I have a long standing, life time long, problem with people who advocate policies that they are not affected by. You want to go to war, but you will not go to war yourself personally, you will go to war with other people's children. I do have a problem with that. In the 1930s, many US citizens who wanted to fight fascism in Spain joined the Lincoln brigade and went and fought Franco. And in the same decade, many US citizens went to Canada or England to join the armies of those countries. I know for myself, for moral clarity, that I do not advocate that others do anything that I myself am excused from. When I opposed apartheid, I went to the South African embassy and got myself arrested in July 1983, protesting apartheid, and put in jail. When I opposed the nuclear arms race, I withheld my taxes and notified the federal government and at least was involved in the issue, and took the consequences thereof. What are you personally going to do to fight this war you want? Your moral clarity means you must do more than post in the JMDL. Is there a brigade you join and become a part of the battle, an army you will join and be a part of the fighting force, even if not on the front lines but near them as a doctor or nurse or medic? Will you go and engage in civil disobedience which will consequences? I await your plan of action by which you personally act on your moral clarity to wage war and cause death. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:50:42 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni PWWAM on cable & more ALL TIMES ARE EASTERN Trio Network will run Joni's concert film "Painting With Words and Music" twice tomorrow, Friday Jan 17; 10AM & 4PM Other Joni related: Furry Lewis, the Memphis bluesman, has a small part in the 1975 movie "WW and the Dixie Dancekings", which FXM will show Sun at 2pm and again 1/30 @ 12pm I've never seen it. Also (njc): FRIDAY The Nobel Peace Concert on A&E 1PM with J Lopez, Willie Nelson, Carlos Santana & others The 1943 movie "Stormy Weather" features a number of jazz greats including Cab Calloway, Fats Waller, Bojangles Robinson, Lena Horne, showing on FXM @2pm SATURDAY THE ROLLING STONES live from NYC on HBO 9pm The Donnas on Sat Night Live NBC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:00:14 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: quick jokes and other persiflage!!! NJC an elf was sitting on wall ,bent over, rocking back and forth, holding his head. A man could see him form the other side and couldn't make up hi smind what he was seeing. So he went over to the elf. 'Excuse, me sir, but are you a goblin?' asked the man. 'No,' replied the elf,'I have a headache.' What is green and smells of pork? Kermit's middle finger. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:03:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: oops!Re: Bush lies--who lies? NJC, PC dyeing because of him. yes they dye thesleves blue1 Of course I emant dying. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:48:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Symphony Space in NYC NJC In a message dated 1/16/2003 7:27:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, cwboyx_99@yahoo.com writes: > This is my first post to the forum. I've been a Joniphile for years ( too > many to mention). Here is my contribution, my post: > > Hi Aaron - welcome, and thanks for your post! That date/show has been discussed here, and several of us are in the midst of making our plans. Should be a great day - I assume you're going? If so, I look forward to meeting you! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Goldberg Subject: direct link Hi. For those interested, here is the direct link to "wall to wall " Joni at Symphony Space in NYC. I hope this will post: http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 Good Evening, Aaron Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:16:10 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: RE: Best CD's of 2002 NJC Well I thought I'd chime in with a list of CD's that we played with great pleasure and frequency over the past year: In no particular order - Gigi - Ethiopian diva doing world-fusion dub, jazz, funk, afro-asiatic pop, with appearances by Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock, among others. Susie Arioli Swing Band - Pennies From Heaven. Montreal swing trio doing lovely, pared-down jazzy renditions of old standards. Lila Downs - Border (La Linea). Stunning political pop from a great Mexican diva Bia -Sources. Gentle Franco-Quebecoise bossa-nova ballads Susanna Baca - Luaka Bop - Heart-rending ballads from the great voice of black Peru. Karrin Allyson - In Blue. Is Karrin the next great chanteuse from the USA? Suba - Tributo. Posthumous electro-bossa tribute album to a famed Brazilian music producer. Coral Egan and Alex Cattaneo - The Path of Least Resistance. Debut album from a haunting and lovely Montreal jazz duo. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:14:26 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: re;talking about Joni Mitchell with my writing group Yesterday at my writing group I mentioned Joni Mitchell to one of the members of the group. This woman loves poetry and is a good writer. We started talking about music and I asked her about Joni's writing-what she thought. She told me she never really listened to her but disliked the few hits she had. I told her about Joni's poetry and how well she wrote. She said,":You sound just like this friend I used to teach with. he said she was the best too." I told her I would copy some of her songs and she could read the lyrics for herself. When our break was over I went over to the table and told another member that we discussing Joni Mitchell and he said he had never heard of her! He's about 60 or so and was a professor etc etc. My personal experience is that most people know little or nothing about her work or stopped listening after Court and Spark. Maureen Walsh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:32:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best CD's of 2002 NJC In a message dated 1/16/2003 9:11:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelo@webnet.qc.ca writes: > Karrin Allyson - In Blue. Is Karrin the next great chanteuse from the USA? > Don't know about that Michael, but this IS one great CD! I would say that anyone who dug the Norah Jones would also love Allyson. Not just because she does a fine version of Blue Motel Room, but for the whole thing. Like Norah, Allyson has an "unambitious" voice, meaning to me that she just sings and doesn't play the role of a diva or show off. Bob NP: Jimmy Hill, "I'm Old Fashioned" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:37:53 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Just war (NJC) > > sl.m@shaw.ca wrote: > > > > >Following that argument, you would have respected Germany's right to > > >elect Adolf Hitler, with all the consequences thereof, and you would > > >have condemned any other nation that tried to interfere with what the > > >Germans (let's face it, the Germans, not just Hitler) were doing to > > >the Jews, the gays, the mentally ill, the physically disabled, the > > >dissenters, the academics? > > > > What about the genocide of the american indian, slavery ,segrigation the buffalo etc.. . What the germans were doing give me a break. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:44:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NION not sure what is meant by significant impetus...could you be specific & & point me to where NION makes this reference, if they do...thanks kakki >>Another significant antiwar organization is Not In Our Names... Significant impetus behind NION comes from the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP). RCP identifies itself as followers of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. <<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:43:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: ACOY Covers In a message dated 1/16/2003 6:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, hejira57@worldnet.att.net writes: > To me, Diana Krall's version of "A Case of You" on the JM Tribute that was > broadcast here in the States in April of 2000 just blows any other version > away. > Well, Arlene...how many have you heard? Diana's is excellent, but these artists also turn in great ACOY's: Tori Amos Betty Buckley Michael Holland Brian Kennedy Prince Phoebe Snow Susan Webb Of course, there are many more...and there may be somone here who blows Diana away! :~) (In my opinion Brian Kennedy, Prince, Tori Amos are all better than Diana's...of course it IS all opinion) What do y'all who have lots of covers think? Bob NP: Bent, "Five" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:02:00 -0800 From: Kent Southard Subject: The True Bush Agenda In Iraq I've browsed this place for some months now, having become an ardent lover of the sublime Ms. Mitchell. I feel somewhat odd using my first post here on a political subject, but the issue is of such import, and the truth of the matter is in such short supply, I feel compelled to put this forward. It's generally been printed in only the 'better' papers, but this war on Iraq has been desired and planned, by Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, etc., for some years now; as the first step towards American military domination of the oil of the Middle East. Their plan was codified most recently in the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) written in the fall of 2000, in which they openly stated the need for a new 'Pearl Harbor' in order to galvanize American public support for such a plan - this was supplied by 9/11. Saddam Hussein and whatever WMD may remain are fairly beside the point - Hussein was largely a creation of the Reagan/Bush years because he was seen as a counter-weight to revolutionary Iran; those administrations were Hussein's major suppliers of WMD, chemical and bio weapons included; and has been emphasized with recovered video clips, Donald Rumsfeld was basically the chief sales rep on the account, smiling broadly while shaking Hussein's hand. When Hussein sought to invade Kuwait because they were drilling slantwise under the border, he sought our permission, and our ambassador, April Glaspie, gave it. Hussein's a thug, but he was 'our' thug, and he's never been stupid enough to threaten us. The essential purpose of the entirety of the Bush administration is to establish this global empire based on military domination of the world's oil. It began office by announcing a huge, new 'energy crisis,' the evidence of which was provided by Enron and its other buddies who immediately jacked up the electricity prices here in California; and something that's been forgotten, gasoline prices immediately doubled too, even though, as reported in the Orange County Register, refineries had so much gasoline on inventory they were running out of room to store it. So they cooked up a phony energy crisis in order to get support for their then unannounced ambitions; but then Jeffords switched and the GOP no longer controlled the government, and the 'energy crisis' disappeared. Meanwhile, the Bush administration had re-opened negotiations with the Taliban, cut off by Clinton because of their human rights record, for the building of oil and gas pipelines through Afghanistan; these pipelines providing access to the reserves of the Caspian Sea, thought to be among the world's largest. The Taliban wasn't coming around, so Bush's representative, Tom Simons, told them 'Either accept our carpet of gold, or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs.' This was in late July 2001, I believe. Hamid Kharzai, the new 'President' of Afghanistan, is a former Unocal employee. Those pipelines are now being built. Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, nothing to do with Wahabi fundamentalist terrorism. The CIA funded bin Laden as part of its effort to contain and subvert the Soviet Union with Islamic fundamentalism, and what we have now is what's known as 'Blowback,' or the threat of unintended consequences. If there were to be popular elections in Saudi Arabia, where bin Laden and most of the hijackers are from, bin Laden would probably be elected President. Which is probably the immediate impetus for invading Iraq - Wahabism is so strong in Saudi Arabia that the House of Saud could fall pretty soon, and so no more cheap oil for us. We get Iraq, we get the cheap oil, we get a permanent military base to keep Saudi Arabia in line, whether Wahabi or not. It's not about finding a dozen empty artillery shells. Hell, Rumsfeld said last year the Pentagon couldn't account for $4 trillion worth of spending over the last few decades. Avusblue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:47:56 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Just war (NJC) >So I am not impressed by throngs of text and articles, not that you two >have done this, >but we do have a culprit or two here who believe this is the end all, it's >not. Susan..I would point you to the following articles and links: WWW.NEWSMAX.COM (Saddam today, gone tomorrow P.22 ) NY TIMES.COM (Who will be right in the end?.. If there is anybody still living to tell about it) Time magazine p.45 (Are the U.N. inspectors wimps?) Newsweek p.189 (That crazy madman is a real charmer) (some tales from his ex's) News and World Report p.73 (Fasten your seatbelts.. it's going to be a bumpy ride) LA Times.org p.547 (What's with these protesters...and who is behind them?) Christian Science Monitor P.67 ( Fool me once shame on you..fool me..never can remember this..) I have more sites..articles ..links...studies....documents...if interested. Let me know? Bree >Peace, >Susan > > > > > > Sarah wrote, in her very comprehensive and thought-provoking response: > > > > "A question for you: what facts would convince you that this is a just >war?" > > > > It's very simple: a clear, undisputed link between Iraq and the >terrorist attacks against the > > U.S. on September 11, 2001, or a much more foreful statement than any I >have heard from those in > > the know that such a link exists, but that sources can't be revealed for >obvious reasons. > > >And it does not give the U.S. carte blanche to attack another nation, whose >link to the September >11 attacks is unclear at best, in order to further its own domestic and >international agenda. To >me, such action cheapens the memories and lives of all those who lost their >lives that day, and is >a travesty. > >There. I've felt that for a long time. Now I've finally said it. > > > > Mary. >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:49:54 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Epiphany jc now oops now back to NJC In a message dated 1/16/2003 5:58:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@yahoo.com writes: > That means that she feared that people would buy the > hits collection and never buy anything else. That's > probably very true of some bands. [A new thread?] > Sure, there are a couple of artists that Greatest Hits are all you need - among them: Jim Croce Bachman-Turner Overdrive Bread Seals & Crofts Guess Who Like Joni herself says, she never really had enough "hits" to justify the package, but hey if it makes a gateway, then play on MacDuff! Now if we can just convince her about the boxset of unreleased goodies! ;~) Bob NP: Asher, "Lose Myself" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:58:06 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: The True Bush Agenda In Iraq Kent Southard wrote: > I feel somewhat odd using my first post here on a political subject And, since you are new, may I gently request that you please follow list etiquette by placing the letters NJC (No Joni Content) in your subject line in the future? That is, at least when the subject is clearly not Joni. Thanks, Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:00:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: war protests pc njc okay, i left out an important word & it should have said- there is a misconception that ALL those who oppose this war are 'left' or that marxists are responsible for the protests...the point i was trying to make was that many types of people & organizations are involved in the antiwar protests... here is another bomb...lol...from what i recall learning about marxism, there are many interpretations & forms, & some of it resonates with me as i tend to lean towards socialism too (hi lori!)... >is it a misconception to say that ANSWER and the IAC, who have been the principal organizers of the large antiwar rallies in several cities are left and/or Marxist/Socialist? < ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:16:58 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: war protests Kosovo njc Vince wrote: > Then, Kakki, I respectfully submit that you go back and re-read the JMDL > posts from that time period, for beginners. There was much anguish > expressed in the JMDL over military force being used to counter the > genocide in Kosovo. There was much, and severe criticism, of the > Clinton administration's policies in Kosovo from many who were otherwise > favorably disposed towards Clinton. Those discussions lasted for many, > many months, and were very passionate. I have taken the time to go throught the archives day by day from late March through May 1999. Discussions on the war in Bosnia/Kosovo occurred from April 7 through May 17, 1999, (5-6 weeks - not "many, many months") were few and far between and were completely dwarfted by discussions of Columbine and gun control. Four people wrote 18 posts written in support of the war (10 of those posts were from one person in Germany who is no longer on the list). Four people, including myself, wrote approximately 13 posts in opposition. (I opposed indiscrimate bombing and not necessarily intervention). One person appeared to oppose and then appeared to support. Two people wrote non-politically about the wish for peace in general. Vince, you wrote that you were "conflicted" about that war and then you appeared to write in support of the Kosovans vs. the Serbs. Most all of the posts appeared to me to be respectful (as opposed to the gun control threads where several major brushfires and flamings raged). > I will not be responsible for what you do not remember. It makes me > very cynical about your viewpoints, given how convenient your memory is, > and how limited your knowledge is of communities that lay outside of > your circles of friends. Convenient? Well, I do seek out clarification if my memory is faulty. I did not remember the discussions the way you have and after reading it again still do not believe those discussions reached anywhere near the passion or volume or intensity of the war threads the past year and a half here. I have all the cites from the archives and a summary of who wrote what that I will be glad to send you (or anyone else) offlist if you want to see it. I was going to post it here but don't want to piss people off with sending a bunch of links. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:18:21 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: ACOY Covers Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > > Well, Arlene...how many have you heard? Diana's is excellent, but these > artists also turn in great ACOY's: > > Tori Amos > Betty Buckley > Michael Holland > Brian Kennedy > Prince > Phoebe Snow > Susan Webb Well, Bob, the only one I have from this list is Prince. As much as I love Diana Krall's take on it, Prince blows it/her away! Man, he IS good. Perhaps it's time for a new sweet 16???? best Stephen in Vancouver NP: Misles of Aisles- Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:42:25 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: NION (njc) Kate wrote: > not sure what is meant by significant impetus...could you be specific & & > point me to where NION makes this reference, if they do...thanks I have no idea - it's not my quote - it's a quote I copied from the link from that particular antiwar group "ZNet | A Community of People Committed to Social Change" as they apparently question where to put their alliances with other like groups. They concluded that "the case for participating in NION events is stronger than for ANSWER events. It still makes overwhelming sense to build better antiwar coalitions, but in the meantime supporting NION activities promotes an antiwar message that we support, with relatively little compromise of our views." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:47:15 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: My Epiphany - HOSL I think for me when (snowplow just went by..scraping) I listen to THOSL..I realize what a musical genius she is. Every time I listen..I never tire...I think this thought or along this line: "wow...where did this come from?!" I do agree with you Jim..her voice was at it's pinnacle. It's timeless..she's timeless..A MASTERPIECE! (I loved it at first listen..and the love has only increased) Bree >I love "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" (THOSL). For me, >it's amazing on many, many levels. Eclecticism is >blowing all through it at gale force. (One might say, >Eclecticism "runs all through [its] circuits like a >heartbeat".) The level of songwriting is very, very >high and consistent. > >Her singing was never better or more interesting and >the musicians are also varied and excellent. > >As others have already mentioned, some of the stories >are very cinematic. Other songs, like "Sweet Bird" >are so anti-cinematic, so internal, so cerebral, and >metaphorical, that the listener is forced to invent >their own "film" on the spot. In spite of the >eclecticism on so many levels, it hangs together as a >whole, like a perfect, favorite, Christmas ornament. > > >Lama > > >--- Merk54@aol.com wrote: > > Stephen, > > > > It took me over two years to appreciate HOSL. For > > some reason I just couldn't get it. Loved Hejira > > immediately, but for the life of me I couldn't get > > HOSL - accept for Jungle Line - loved that > > immediately. Only through the persistance of a good > > friend did I finally come to appreciate this album, > > and then it was "Damn, why didn't I like this all > > along?" > > > > Jack >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:59:41 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: The unknown Joni > My personal experience is that most people know little or nothing about her work or stopped listening after Court and Spark.> That's interesting because I've noticed a similar kind of theme. I think that anyone who takes music seriously (pop/rock/folk/jazz) will know who Joni Mitchell is. Whether they can name her albums or recite the lyrics to one of her songs is another matter, but they'll know who she is and at least have a vague idea about her significant contribution to music. For people who don't take music seriously, for those who get their daily dose of tunes from the FM radio on the drive to work or who only like "songs with beats" will probably not know who Joni is. If they do it's thanks to Janet Jackson or one of her modern tributaries, and even then their understanding of "Joni Mitchell" will be vague at best: "Isn't she, like, that blond folk singer from, like, a THOUSAND years ago?" Surprisingly, my parents did not really know who Joni Mitchell was until I started listening to her records at full volume before bedtime - "Turn that woman off!" they'd shout. Gradually they came to respect my respect for Joni Mitchell and learned a lot about her in the process. The simple fact that she is Canadian endears her to my mother (our clan is Canadian, you see) and her artwork has inspired my mom to buy her book from the Mendel. But until I imported Joni into our home, my mom thought she was an American folk who raised hippies under her skirt. So, you can't even say it's a generational thing. Many baby boomers don't know who she is, or simply don't care, or they know but only vaguely. Conversely, many people my age and younger do know who she is and enjoy her work tremendously. So, my conclusion is that it's based on an appreciation and understanding of the music scene. If you follow music, if you enjoy its history and its "culture" you will know who Joni Mitchell is. If you only like "songs with beats" may God have mercy on your sorry ass. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: "Yellow checkers for the kitchen" My absolute favourite moment from HOSL is the lead into "Harry's House/Centerpiece." It gives me chills each time I hear it. I visualize so much in those first few seconds of the song when the horn samples swell up and then down again, like a plane on a runway through the ripples of heatwaves. Later in the song I love Joni's vocal fade-in to "Centerpiece." This is as an example of the cinematic aspect of the record; her vocal fade-in mirrors a visual one...things go blurry and a dream sequence of memories begins as Harry drifts off in his big old Lay-Z-Boy: "The more I'm with you, pretty baby..." That song is the spine of the record. It encapsulates all of its themes in one glorious, brilliant track. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:08:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Note to Joni: 'hits' brought in a new rabid fan! If anyone lurking can get this to Joni's management, I'd appreciate it. I love this post so I'm re-posting it in its entirety. Lama (Jim L'Hommedieu of Covington, Kentucky, USA) - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:48:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: My Epiphany >Epiphanies anyone? We I got HITS first of all after being intrigued by her art work and the fact she had so many albums and I'd never heard of her! I was captivated from the moment 'Urge for Going' started and loved all the tracks apart from 'Come In From The Cold' which I now love btw. 'Big Yellow Taxi' sounded familiar but on a whole all her music was new to me. I then rushed out and got MISSES which was like jumping into the deep end!. Out of the songs I liked straight away were 'For The Roses' and 'Harry's House...' (still 2 of my faves). I then got THOSL which I played and wrote-off straight away thinking she went mad or something! Then I got 'Blue' which I love(d) all the way through. I refused to believe that 'Harry's House...' was the only good track on THOSL so I went back to it and bit by bit it got through to me and since then the album has only ever sounded divine. After that I eventually got every Joni album! So I guess it was THOSL that made me realize that her music grows and is timeless. Stephen Toogood NP: 'My Own Private Riot' Thea Gilmore - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:21:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Brian and Joni, sittin' in a tree- was "My epiphany" Really? I'll take your word for it although I'd appreciate a second opinion from Claud9's roomie. Anyway, a different metaphor is in order. How 'bout....... Brian Wilson and Joni writing a song together wouldn't work because........ 'Altoids (TM) breath mints and Ricola (TM) breath mints don't mix.' Better? As Rosie O'Donnell said, "Oh, that's awful." Lama "RSM" said, >>>> Not to quibble with your critique of a Mitchell/Wilson collaboration, but a good Mexican chicken mole will blend chocolate and garlic in a heavenly fashion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:25:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Travelogue Opinion, short, njc really Check your hearing, McKay. I'm sure she said, "Who's THAT girl?", as every fan of Marlo Thomas knows. Lama (who's been using the JMDL like his own, private chat board.) Catherine of Toronto said, >>>> That's sure as heck what my Mum used to say when I was down in the basement listening to Joni - "What's that dirge?" >>>> > > : Every single song sounded like a dirge to me. > Nothing in the slightest > > : bit upbeat, every song sounded similar. >> > > People have been saying that about Joni for 34 > years. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:46:04 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: war protests pc njc Kate wrote: > here is another bomb...lol...from what i recall learning about marxism, > there are many interpretations & forms, & some of it resonates with me as i > tend to lean towards socialism too (hi lori!)... That's cool - I respect people more for being honest about what they believe in. It just has made me queasy personally that so many of the hard radical Marxist groups were so amazingly organized to protest any military action by the U.S. within days of 9/11. How could they have been SO organized in their opposition while most other people were still reeling from the events? I fully admit to not understanding all the nuances and complexities of these groups but in my simplistic mind, I suppose, I am baffled by these particular peace groups being so organized against a U.S. war when the countries who have adopted their own doctrines have been known in recent history as the most murderous, bloody and inhumane going back to Lenin. Where were their protests against violations of human rights all those years? Someone who says they are antiwar without adding on a particular political agenda seems more uncompromised to me. As I read back on the Kosovo thread from 1999, I did notice that there was complete consistency in being opposed to war then and now from Colin, Fred and Randy, regardless of political doctrines. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:25:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: more lying njc pc talk about lying... do a google search for: george w bush military record ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:49:50 -0500 From: "Arlene T." Subject: Re: Smoking gun? Oh boy. "Come on all of you big strong men, Uncle Sam needs your help again..." Heaven help the children who are sent to war. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Smoking gun? : U.N. Experts Report Chemical Warheads Find in Iraq : Reuters : Thursday, January 16, 2003; 12:56 PM : : BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.N. weapons inspectors found empty chemical warheads : during an inspection of a storage area in Iraq on Thursday, a U.N. spokesman : said in Baghdad. : : The spokesman, Hiro Ueki, did not give any estimate of the significance of : the find during an inspection of the Ukhaider Ammunition Storage Area. He : said an inspection team had gone there to inspect a large group of bunkers : constructed in the late 1990s. : : "During the course of their inspection, the team discovered 11 empty 122 mm : chemical warheads and one warhead that requires further evaluation," Ueki : said in a statement. : : "The warheads were in excellent condition and were similar to ones imported : by Iraq during the late 1980s. The team used portable X-Ray equipment to : conduct preliminary analysis of one of the warheads and collected samples : for chemical testing," the statement said. : : There was no immediate comment from the Iraqi side. : ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:03:04 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 17 On January 17 the following item was published: 1976: "Joni Mitchell World Tour To Follow U.S. College Gigs" - Cashbox (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=644 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #36 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)