From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #29 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 029 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: epiphanies anyone? [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Truly Madly Deeply njc [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Bush Lies - who lies? (njc) (pc) ["kakki" ] RE: Pete Townshend NJC ["mike pritchard" ] re: Subject: prepare ye -njc-rc ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Bush Lies - IAEA - Hans Blix (njc) (pc) ["kakki" ] Re: Truly Madly Deeply njc [colin ] prepare ye; njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] epiphanies anyone? ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni Epiphany [Cactustree78@aol.com] RE: Truly Madly Deeply njc [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: more epiphanies [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Attn: BobFans njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Seeing Joni live before 1998 [AsharaJM@aol.com] Free Acoustic Guitar Magazines! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Attn: BobFans njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Attn: BobFans njc ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: "Guitar Girls" in Sarasota (from Joan List) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Attn: BobFans njc [Steve Polifka ] Anna & the deer, part 2 ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NJC now Beth Nielsen Chapman [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Subject: prepare ye -njc-rc [PMcfad@aol.com] Top CD's of 2002 [Harry83house@aol.com] Re: Bush Lies - who lies? (njc) (pc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Anna & the deer, part 2 [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Attn: BobFans njc [Mags N Brei ] Re: Attn: BobFans njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] redemption? NJC SC [colin ] Re: Attn: BobFans njc [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:00:49 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: epiphanies anyone? I was walking down a corridor in a university hostel, looking for someone after another night of partying - after many years of nights spent partying. I was a postgraduate student, meaning I'd been dodging the "real world" for way too long, and I was feeling rough that day, unsteady on my feet, even worse in my mind. As I was passing someone's room, I heard the words: "Acid, booze, and ass/Needles, guns, and grass/Lots of laughs, lots of laughs." But it didn't sound like lots of laughs. It sounded like laughs gone sour, laughs regretted. The words, the melody and the voice gripped me. I thought: "it's time to leave", so the next day I bought Blue, and a month later, I left college and made my way out into the big bad world. That was what started me off buying Joni Mitchell. Sarah From: "mike pritchard" Subject: epiphanies anyone? And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise with her music. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:24:49 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Truly Madly Deeply njc Lieve, I suppose what the film's trying to say is that the 'nothing compares' feeling is a mis-memory, and that eventually something (e.g. the hopping man, who I think just represents the passage of time) will make you realize that. And all you can do until then is hang on and believe you'll get over it eventually. You don't learn to be strong on your own. You just stop needing to be so strong. Something like that. . . ;-) Sarah From: ReckersL@ebrd.com What I wanted to see, was: how do you REALLY cope with grief? When it really keeps hurting without surprise solutions, when you don't have a deus ex machine hopping along? How do you learn to be strong ON YOUR OWN or just with some pretty average people around you to give pretty average support? How to snap yourself out of that "nothing compares" despair... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:54:23 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Bush Lies - who lies? (njc) (pc) I wonder - do you think Bush had his propagandists writing these official reports for the U.S. State Department back in 1998-1999? Maybe it was Blair putting a spell on Clinton's people? Geez. http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/iraq99f.htm Iraq is a Regional Threat Summary Iraq under Saddam Hussein remains dangerous, unreconstructed, and defiant. It has not disarmed. It has never apologized or expressed regret for the invasion of Kuwait. It continues to repress its people. This is a dangerous regime that threatens its neighbors, has a long history of aggression, has ambitions to dominate the Gulf by force, and retains the capability to do so. [Excerpt] Since December 1998, Saddam Hussein has prevented UN weapons inspectors from even entering Iraq. We do not know for sure what he is doing under the roofs of the weapons factories they routinely monitored. So, in addition to the weapons he has worked so hard to hide since 1991, Saddam may well have his experts making chemical and biological weapons, and pursuing nuclear weapon designs. Iraq is capable of assembling its prohibited Al-Hussein long-range missiles with key parts known to have been stripped from destroyed imported SCUDs. Iraq has refused to account for precursor chemicals capable of making as much as 200 tons of VX nerve agent. Iraq has the know-how and equipment to weaponize VX, despite its continuing denials. Iraq loaded VX, anthrax, botulism toxin, and other chemical and biological agents into Al-Hussein missile warheads and deployed them during the Gulf War. Iraq loaded thousands of munitions such as aerial bombs, tactical rockets, and artillery shells with a variety of chemical and biological agents similar to those used against Iran and against Iraqi civilians. http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98090301.htm United States Information Agency 03 September 1998 TEXT: CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY OF FBI DIRECTOR LOUIS J. FREEH [Excerpt] "The first category, state-sponsored terrorism, violates every convention of international law. State sponsors of terrorism include Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, and North Korea. Put simply, these nations view terrorism as a tool of foreign policy. In recent years, the terrorist activities of Cuba and North Korea have declined as their economies have deteriorated. However, the activities of the other states I mentioned continue, and in some cases, have intensified during the past several years." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:03:38 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Pete Townshend NJC PMcfad@aol.com Subject: prepare ye -njc-rc >>i've always posited that intellectualism leads to athiesm. the athiest might say....i don't need all that mystery and magic and make believe....give me the cold hard real facts of life and that will be fine for me....where as the believer might say....i can't expalin it all but i know it is real.<< >>i beleive that a christian is christian when they act like one, not when they profess to be one. << >>Pete Townshend has been arrested in a peodophile sweep. Initially he made a statement saying that he acceesed a pay to view site for research into a book he is writing. He has now been arrested on supsicion of making and distributing indecent images of children. It would seem they suspect he did more than look.<< And I suspect that he's still trying to exorcise the ghosts he took on when he wrote 'Tommy'. The wicked uncle ernie and his fiddling about, fiddling about. >>I hope this is not true.<< Me too. mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:22:22 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: Subject: prepare ye -njc-rc >>i've always posited that intellectualism leads to athiesm. the athiest might say....i don't need all that mystery and magic and make believe....give me the cold hard real facts of life and that will be fine for me....where as the believer might say....i can't expalin it all but i know it is real.<< I agree with all the above, and this was what I was trying to say in an earlier post. Bravo. >>i beleive that a christian is christian when they act like one, not when they profess to be one. << Here I have to ask what you mean by christian (no explanations please, Victor). Are you using the word christian a) as a synonym for good, moral etc person, or b) as a definition of someone who practices or believes in the Christian faith? If the former, then would you accept that a Muslim, Sikh or atheist can be a good, moral person and that good works or noble lives etc are not the sole prerogative of Christians? If you agree, then Christian could be, by definition, synonymous with Muslim, Sikh or atheist, which most people would dispute, I imagine. If your thinking is in line with the second of my definitions, then I would ask you 'how does one act like a Christian?' If the answer is 'by doing good deeds, living a moral, respectable life, helping one's friends and neighbours etc', then what is specifically 'Christian' about this? mike in barcelona NPIMH The Christians - What's in a word? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:40:55 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Bush Lies - IAEA - Hans Blix (njc) (pc) Who to believe? Here is the IAEA's chronology of "Nuclear capabilities of Iraq" dated 1991-1992 which details some of the very nuclear weapons-making materials outlined by Bush that the NY Times (presumably where Alterman borrows his proof) recently cast doubt upon. http://www.iaea.org/worldatom/Press/Booklets/Iraq/event.html Here are statements regarding Iraq's development of nuclear weapons from the former director of the IAEA, Hans Blix dating back to 1991: http://www.iaea.or.at/worldatom/Press/Statements/FormerDG/dgsp1991n05.html Statement by IAEA Director General Hans Blix on IAEA inspections in Iraq to the US House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence inspections in Iraq to the US House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Washington, D.C., USA 23 October 1991 [Excerpts] "The deep secrecy in which Iraq conducted a massive nuclear weapons development and production programme the extent of which we are still trying to determine dramatically demonstrates the Agency's need for intelligence information in the future. In Resolution 687, which gave the IAEA unique rights, we were asked: To carry out immediate on site inspections to determine Iraq's nuclear capability; To develop a plan for the destruction, removal or rendering harmless of nuclear related items which Iraq was not permitted to retain; and To develop a plan for future ongoing monitoring and verification of Iraq's compliance with its obligations in the nuclear area under the Security Council's resolutions. These tasks have proven to be much larger, more complex and considerably more dramatic than we first expected, even though the IAEA has decades of on site inspections expertise, as well as state of the art equipment and laboratories in our Agency or at our command. The IAEA has conducted seven inspections in Iraq. They clearly show that Iraq blatantly violated its sworn pledges to not seek to develop or acquire nuclear weapons. This information was not disclosed by Iraq as it agreed to do under the terms of the cease fire, but was offered grudgingly when offered at all, only after inspectors had uncovered the existence of previously undeclared activities. And let me say that we are not at all confident that everything has been revealed, even now." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:12:53 +0100 From: "claud" Subject: Re: jan 13!!!!! njc Dear friends! Thank you all for your heartfelt messages. Each one, as it came in, put a smile on my face and warmed my heart!!!!!!!! Getting older is a gift ...as is having friends who are with you on that journey. Being so far from "home" but yet so close to my heart's home here with John, it was really great to hear from so many of you. I must say yesterday was one of the quietest days I have spent in a long while. I read most of the day - Emma by Jane Austen - , took a little walk for some fresh air, and in the evening John treated me to his wonderful cooking by candlelight, sipping delicious wine. Later on we watched Inspector Morse ( a BBC detictive series) on the tv. Doesn't that sound just peaceful or what? Well with the wind blowing around outside at -5 degrees it is one of the best treats to snuggle up together and be cozy. Thanks again for your well wishes.... I am off to another great year, if the Gods are willing ;-) My best to all of you with much love from the Netherlands, Claud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:40:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Truly Madly Deeply njc > From: ReckersL@ebrd.com > What I wanted to see, was: how do you REALLY cope with > grief? When it really keeps hurting without surprise solutions, when you > don't have a deus ex machine hopping along? How do you learn to be > strong > ON YOUR OWN or just with some pretty average people around you to give > pretty average support? How to snap yourself out of that "nothing > compares" > despair... > You live thru greif(hopefully) and eventually it gets easier to handle. It's immediacy gradually lessens but it never goes away. it becomes a part of your fabric. Strength comes on it's own just virtue of each passing hour.Other people cannot do it for you. Good people around you just let you be. Maybe they will remind you that 'this too shall pass' but really they will just let you be and try to fix you. Or course it is possible tolet yourself get stuck in 'grief' by becomign dpressed or angry or obsessed rather then really feel the agony. Grief is not something one really gets over, one passes thru it and sometimes another is needed to pull one thru. Grief cannot be shaken off as if it never was. It shapes you, becomes a part of you. It informs your future. It often accentuates one's own compassion for others. Often it canlead to hatred too. Grief not dealt with and gone sour. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:26:30 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: prepare ye; njc > From: PMcfad@aol.com > Subject: prepare ye -njc-rc > > my third thought is that we handled joseph-francis pretty roughly as a group. > yes, he was provoking. at the same time, i think his world was turned > upside down on him when he came here because of music he liked only to find > out that there were others in the world who professed the same faith as him > but believed nothing which he did. i think he was shocked and frightened by > the freedom of thought he stumbled upon. > Spoken as a "true Christian", and I feel exactly the same way. Also, I find there's a pattern on this list: from time to time a member gets roughened up because he/she doesn't conform to the "moral majority" in place at JMDL. Just like in the real world! It's not the "freedom of thought" that shocks me, it's the fact that even at JMDL there's not always the respect and tolerance which I would hope to find. Enough said. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:45:24 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: epiphanies anyone? Andrew wrote: > Whenever one of Joni's songs has made itself truly > known to me, it's always the result of some real-life > drama in my own life mirroring the themes of the song > in question. > . I only began exploring her > work 10 years ago, at the age of 16, and little by > little her songs unravel their mysteries to me as I > grow and learn and live. > > Joni's gift to the world is her understanding and > articulation of life. She has been a remarkable guide > to me, as she has to others, no doubt. She doesn't > have all the answers, but her constant questioning is > the key to her breadth of knowledge, and her > incredible wisdom. > Hey Andrew, You're not alone in this. By some strange coincidence, I experienced the real-life dramas you're referring to at the same time as I first listened to particular albums (Hejira when I was 17, Mingus, DED). Now I guess I should listen to the ones I didn't get way back to see whether my personal growth enables me to get the message now. Thanks for your post. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 05:38:17 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Joni Epiphany The first time I ever heard Joni (and knew it was Joni),I was hard core lamenting my first breakup and my friend handed me a copy of Clouds..I remember hearing the line "Picked up a pencil and wrote I love you in my finest hand,wanted to send it but I dont know where i stand" when I tell you I was floored I really was, I was like WHO IS THIS WOMAN!!..My friend knew just what I needed at a time when my heart was broken and I thank her for that, cause after that day I became crazed with madame Joni..My second Joni epiphany came when I found out there was music after Blue..I always knew that there were albums after Blue but my same friend who turned me on to Clouds scared me away from anything past Blue..She insisted that I wouldnt like anything but I figured it cant be that bad,so I bought FTR and C&S the same day on a whim. Needless to say I was "blown away"(i love that) but the first real epiphany came with Clouds it will always hold a special place in the Joni wing of my heart...Peace, love,and light to all !***kevin*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:54:55 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: Truly Madly Deeply njc Hi Sarah, yes I'm sure you're right that this is what the film meant to say, but I feel it was made too easy! I've been in that situation several times, and yes sometimes somebody hopped conveniently onto my path to cheer me up, but sometimes they didn't, not for a long time, or those who hopped were really irritating and irrelevant! That's when I learned, at last, to not depend on those external rescuers, to find the strength within myself - or if you like, within everything, all the small things of life. That's what I would have liked the film to deal with. Not that Juliet should never find a new love, but he should not have been that conveniently there. I would have liked to see her cope without him, or see him turn out disappointing, weak, superficial after a while, so that she has to face the comparison again, and still go on... you know, all those things that happen in real life... Lieve. -----Original Message----- From: sl.m@shaw.ca [SMTP:sl.m@shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:25 AM To: ReckersL@ebrd.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Truly Madly Deeply njc Lieve, I suppose what the film's trying to say is that the 'nothing compares' feeling is a mis-memory, and that eventually something (e.g. the hopping man, who I think just represents the passage of time) will make you realize that. And all you can do until then is hang on and believe you'll get over it eventually. You don't learn to be strong on your own. You just stop needing to be so strong. Something like that. . . ;-) Sarah From: ReckersL@ebrd.com What I wanted to see, was: how do you REALLY cope with grief? When it really keeps hurting without surprise solutions, when you don't have a deus ex machine hopping along? How do you learn to be strong ON YOUR OWN or just with some pretty average people around you to give pretty average support? How to snap yourself out of that "nothing compares" despair... EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This Email has been Virus Scanned _____________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:07:40 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: more epiphanies In a message dated 1/13/2003 10:35:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > I think THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS is an extremely > cinematic album. This is true, Andrew...HOSL is SUCH a visual record, perhaps more so than most of her others, but then again Hejira probably is more visual. Another film that really compares to HOSL for me is a somewhat obscure film with Burt Lancaster called "The Swimmer", maybe because it recalls the pool photos. And if you're looking for good films about the false happiness of suburban America, "Far From Heaven" is a new one that is also very powerful. Bob NP: Nick Drake, "The Reasons For The Seasons" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:12:59 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc In a message dated 1/13/2003 11:03:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > "Buckets of Rain." Is it in fact a Dylan tune? Mags...you mean to tell me that neither you nor Brei has a copy of "Blood On The Tracks"??? This is ONLY the second best record released in the rock era! (Hejira of course being number 1) Either buy or steal a copy this week. And give each other a spanking while you're at it. And I mean a *punishment* kind of spanking, not a *foreplay* one! :~) Bob NP: Nick Drake, "Princess Of The Sand" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:13:15 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Seeing Joni live before 1998 Andrea wrote: <> Actually, many of us did see her and have posted about it, but us "old timers" here at the JMDL usually don't have a problem repeating the stories. (Us OLD- old timers end up repeating ourselves on a daily basis anyway, so what the heck!) :-) My first live Joni was in Ithaca, New York when I was in college. She was playing at Cornell's Barton Hall in 1974. It was general admission, and I think I got there around 2 in the afternoon to get in line and stake out a good seat. By about an hour before concert time, I was squished against the Barton Hall doors by a throng of people. I started to feel faint from the pushing of the crowd, and someone knocked on the door to have someone let in me in before I fainted. They let me in, gave me a glass of water, and I got to hear Joni's sound check. (Note to self: remember the fainting trick for future benefit) The concert was incredible, and I was *really* close! You can read articles about this concert here: http://www.jmdl.com/artic les/view.cfm?id=137 http://www.jmdl.com/artic les/view.cfm?id=130 Two years later, I saw her again in Syracuse, New York. (I was still going to school in Ithaca.) It was right before Don Juan's Reckless Daughter came out, and I distinctly remember the goosebumps I felt when hearing for the first time: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Talk To Me, and Jericho." My guess is that at that point Jaco might have been touring with her, but I had no idea about who the other musicians were at that point in time. I was really focused on Joni. Hope that satisfies, Andrea. Next topic? :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:18:43 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Free Acoustic Guitar Magazines! Apologies to Joni-onlies, but I thought there might be someone on either list that might be interested in this. I received 2 free issues of Acoustic Guitar Magazine. (January and February) I flipped through them, but am not really interesed in them. If anyone wants them please write to me privately, and I will send them to you. Please specify which issue you are interested in. Go to: http://www.acousticguitar.com/ to check them out. Oh, and please include your address. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:43:13 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc And he recorded it with Bette Midler for her Songs for the New Depression album. It is an unexpected delight. Jerry SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/13/2003 11:03:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > > > "Buckets of Rain." Is it in fact a Dylan tune? > > Mags...you mean to tell me that neither you nor Brei has a copy of "Blood On The Tracks"??? This is ONLY the second best record released in the rock era! (Hejira of course being number 1) > > Either buy or steal a copy this week. And give each other a spanking while you're at it. And I mean a *punishment* kind of spanking, not a *foreplay* one! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Nick Drake, "Princess Of The Sand" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:20:23 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: Attn: BobFans njc In answer to Mags's inquiry, Debra wrote: "Yes, it's called "Buckets of Rain" and is the last track on "Blood on the Tracks". That's the version they used on the show." Well, it *is* "Buckets of Rain," and the song *is* from _Blood on the Tracks_, but I think the version used on the show was a different one. It didn't sound like Dylan at all to me, but rather,a much more recent, contemporary reworking by another artist. Is there anyone out there who can identify the singer, or are my ears just giving out on me in my old age? Debra also wrote: "I like the way that show uses music, usually fitting most of each song and intertwining them with the dialogue, as they did tonight. They even used a Richard Thompson song on one show a while ago. Haven't heard Joni yet." I, too, like the way "Crossing Jordan" uses music. The first show that I noticed to utilize songs as an integral part of many episodes was "Homicide: Life in the Streets." Others have also attempted it, some with greater success than others. For example, I really like things "ER" has done with music: its working in of Beth Nielson Chapman's "Sand and Water" a few years back still gives me chills. But "Crossing Jordan" both uses songs in an interesting way and uses interesting songs. Jill Hennesey, the star of the show, has a pretty decent voice herself, and has sung on at least one episode, maybe more. I sense that she's very conversant with what's going on in music today and in the recent past (she was in the audience at the Joni Tribute a few years back, and appeared very attentive). My theory is that at least some of the use of music on "CJ" is her doing, but I could be wrong. And Mags, she's Canadian. ;-) Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:26:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "Guitar Girls" in Sarasota (from Joan List) I live about 45 minutes from there. Have seen shows there in the past. Last year they did a cabaret show based on the music of our own David Lahm's mother, Dorothy Fields. I'll round up some fans in the area and make a trip there. Jerry Timothy Spong wrote: > Fellow JMDLers: > > The following, posted Sunday on the Joan (Baez) List, which I read Monday > in digest form, should be equally interesting to this Joni List: > > Message Number: 25 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:25:07 -0800 > From: BaezFan39@aol.com > Subject: "Guitar Girls" in FL > > Anyone nearby able to get to this show? > It will be interesting to know which of Joan's songs is being used. > Dave > > Guitar Girls > > As it celebrates the achievements of female singer/songwriters, the musical > revue "Guitar Girls" also explores the way women's roles have changed in > America. > > "The earliest songs in the show are about home and family and spirituality," > said Dennis Courtney, who is directing the Florida Studio Theatre Cabaret > production that opens Thursday. > > "The women were defined by their men, and how they felt about them. The > later > songs reflect the breakup of the nuclear family, and the changing > relationships between men and women. Then, there's a real shift of > consciousness, with women beginning to own their individuality and power for > the first time." > > Works by the Carter Family, the Weavers, Carol King, Janis Joplin, Joan > Baez, > Joni Mitchell, the Dixie Chicks and Mary Chapin Carpenter are featured in > the > show. > > The song list includes "Will the Circle Be Unbroken," "If I Had a Hammer," > "You've Got a Friend," "Jolene," "Mercedes Benz," and, naturally, > Carpenter's > "Girls with Guitars." > > Cast member Rhonda Coullet, who has appeared in such previous cabaret > productions as "Smoke on the Mountain" and "Harry Chapin and Friends," > helped > conceive the show. > > She is joined by three other singer/guitarists, Mimi Bessette, Emily > Mikesell > and Stewart Gregory. > > "Stewart provides the male perspective that is necessary in some of these > songs," said Courtney. > > Laughing, Gregory said he was relieved to learn "I wouldn't be wearing heels > and a dress." > > Courtney described all the cast members as "good musicians and actors who > have the life experience necessary for these songs. They have a real > understanding of the lyrics. They don't have to re-invent themselves to be > these people." > > -- Charlie Husiking > > "Guitar Girls" opens at 7:30 p.m. Thursday following previews at 7:30 p.m. > Tuesday and Wednesday in the Florida Studio Theatre Cabaret Club, 1241 N. > Palm Ave., Sarasota. Tickets range from $18-$22. Call 366-9000. > > ------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:29:55 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:20:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > its working in of Beth Nielson Chapman's "Sand and Water" a > few years > back still gives me chills. For those of you who are BNC fans, she has recently recorded "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" as a B-side to a CD-single. She does a solid version of it, very true to the original with a bit more lean to the country genre. Bob, VP of covers NP: The Dream Syndicate, "Armed With An Empty Gun" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:28:53 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #27--NYC event Les Irvin wrote: "> There is an unflattering photo of Joni in this Sunday's New York Times' > society page. She is at the 50th anniversary of The Aperture Foundation, > dedicated to promoting photography as a form of artistic expression. She > is > at Sotheby's chatting with CBS News Correspondent Richard Schlesinger. > Also > photographed at the party is Mayor Michael Bloomberg with Graham Nash, who > received an award at the event. Elton John was the night's honorary > chairman." Not to disagree with the master, but I LIKED this picture! Joni looks like what she was: an attractive, 59-year-old woman having a good time in an unguarded moment. She was obviously not "mugging for the cameras," but simply enjoying herself, without regard to how she might look. Mary P., probably reacting to the fact that, in recent years, various, um, unflattering pictures of me, also involving my chin, have been cropping up and making the rounds: literally (thanks to this list) around the world. "Middle age: get used to it." ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:36:53 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc Bob. I am a huge BNC fan. She has recently had a serious battle with cancer. Looking forward to this on a Covers cd! Jerry SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:20:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > > > its working in of Beth Nielson Chapman's "Sand and Water" a > > few years > > back still gives me chills. > > For those of you who are BNC fans, she has recently recorded "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" as a B-side to a CD-single. She does a solid version of it, very true to the original with a bit more lean to the country genre. > > Bob, VP of covers > > NP: The Dream Syndicate, "Armed With An Empty Gun" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:44:32 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:43:49 -0600 >To: Jerry Notaro >From: Steve Polifka >Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc >In-Reply-To: <3E242084.EAE8BBB5@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu> >References: <34103DC1.6B8F8E4E.0256CFD3@aol.com> > >Didn't her husband die of cancer around 7 or 8 years ago? I have her first CD but have lost track of her. Last time I saw her was on Rosie- she was back-up singer for Bonnie Raitt. > How many CD's does she have out now? >Steve > > > >At 09:36 AM 1/14/03 -0500, you wrote: >>Bob. I am a huge BNC fan. She has recently had a serious battle with cancer. Looking forward to this on a Covers cd! >> >>Jerry >> >>SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:20:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: >>> >>> > its working in of Beth Nielson Chapman's "Sand and Water" a >>> > few years >>> > back still gives me chills. >>> >>> For those of you who are BNC fans, she has recently recorded "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" as a B-side to a CD-single. She does a solid version of it, very true to the original with a bit more lean to the country genre. >>> >>> Bob, VP of covers >>> >>> NP: The Dream Syndicate, "Armed With An Empty Gun" >> >> Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:50:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Anna & the deer, part 2 The other day, Kakki told us the story about Joni & Wayne Shorter in Japan. Remember? They saw some deer that, when approached, would bow their heads as if they were respectful Japanese hosts. During that trip, Wayne's wife Anna was lost to a terrorist bringing down a jetliner. Today I put on the song "Taming The Tiger". Did anyone notice this before? Lama >>>> I watched the stars chuck down their spears And a plane went blinking by And I thought of Anna Wild and dear Like fireworks in the sky Fireworks in the sky I'm so sick of this game It's hip, it's hot Life's too short, the whole thing's gotten Boring! Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:03:02 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC now Beth Nielsen Chapman In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:44:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > How many CD's does she have out now? Her discography can be viewed at: http://www.bethnielsenchapman.net/albums/index.html And you can get to her website via the JMDL! Les has added a feature in the Covers section where I can link to an artist, so I'm slowly but surely trying to add all those links. If you do a search by artist for BNC, you can click on her name and head to her home page! Thanks, Les... Bob NP: Chris Duarte, "Just Kissed My Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:51:11 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: prepare ye -njc-rc these are all very thought provoking questions. some disclaimer: my thoughts are simply that...my own thoughts...not necessarily right or complete or finished...more of a work in process. i'm going to have to answer your question....how does one act like a christian?... because options a and b don't complete my vision of a christian. i should say first that i do believe option a is part of being a christian and is not owned by the christians and it would be offensive for any christian to suggest otherwise. one can be good and moral with out being christian. nonetheless, just practicing or believing with out producing good and moral choices does not make one a christain either. so how does one act like a christian? for me, there are several key qualities that emerge in the christian role modes i've found. there is some element of self abandonment...a willingness to let oneself be used for other's benefit. there is a committment to living within some christian community where the experience of growing in faith is shared and lived out together with others. there is a genuine devotion to the gospels and dedication to absorbing these words into one's thoughts and actions. there is the belief that humans are incomplete as individuals and that our 'becoming complete' is part of the christian journey and walk with god which lasts a lifetime and is augmented during this process by living in community. there is the belief that life exceeds human death and that time will continue in some form. there is the belief that redemption is essential to success in this life...that grace penetrates the human plane and fosters a better than imagined solution to great problems and discord and that time is the plane on which grace moves humans. christians are therefore patient because time is unending and god is faithful to this promise of redemption. there is the hope and openness to reconciliation which usually goes along with redemption and offers real mending in human relationships that makes what was once unliveable very liveable. and there is a deep love of life and respect for creation that honors the life we've been given. this would be most of what i hold as a model of christian life and this is what i try to live toward though i fail endlessly and only occasionally succeed. most days, the christian life sucks. its exhausting. it wakes us up at nights and early in the morning. it strains our thoughts on all elements of our life. then on good days, it supplies a ravenous love of life and a simplicity and humility that rejuvinates all the pain it causes on the off days. at least for me it does that. how to identify a christian is beyond me and i don't try to do that. i do think a christian is different from a muslem or an athiest or a sikh because the daily life i described would take that group beyond it's daily practices....but i do believe that on the outside of appearance one could be a good christian and a good muslem or sikh or athiest and not look any different at all. it would be more in the internal beliefs, expectations, and motivations where they would differ. i don't think any one group is better than the others and i don't think the christian life is better or required for everyone....it just happens to be the one required of me and when i approach a day with the qualities i've expressed above, i feel i've lived as a christian and when i'm careless toward the day i feel like a heathen...regardless of how i'd lable myself. so for me christianity is in how we act as opposed to what we profess and this is a daily choice that is renewed each morning and measured each day. thank you for the questions. pat np. bruce cockburn - if i had a rocket launcher In a message dated 1/14/2003 4:23:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: > >>i beleive that a christian is christian when they act like one, not when > they profess to be one. << > > Here I have to ask what you mean by christian (no explanations please, > Victor). Are you using the word christian a) as a synonym for good, moral > etc person, or b) as a definition of someone who practices or believes in > the Christian faith? If the former, then would you accept that a Muslim, > Sikh or atheist can be a good, moral person and that good works or noble > lives etc are not the sole prerogative of Christians? If you agree, then > Christian could be, by definition, synonymous with Muslim, Sikh or atheist, > which most people would dispute, I imagine. If your thinking is in line > with the second of my definitions, then I would ask you 'how does one act > like a Christian?' If the answer is 'by doing good deeds, living a moral, > respectable life, helping one's friends and neighbours etc', then what is > specifically 'Christian' about this? > > > > mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:57:34 EST From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: Top CD's of 2002 Well, I'm not surprised at the similarities of the Top 10 lists the jmdl folks have sent in. Mine are:1) Bea Arthur: JUST BETWEEN FRIENDS 2)Nanci Griffith: WINTER MARQUEE 3) Norah Jones: COME AWAY WITH ME 4) John Mayer: ROOM 4 Squares 5) Joni Mitchell: TAVELOGUE 6) Bruce Springsteen: THE RISING 7)Elaine Stritch: AT LIBERTY 8) Barbra Streisand: DUETS 9) James Taylor: OCTOBER ROAD (Special Ed.) 10) Robbie Williams: SWING WHEN YOU"RE WINNING (Import) Also: Jennifer Warnes: THE WELL(2001) and the Sammy Davis, Jr. re-issue of his Live at the Sands 1965 Concert 2 disc set called THAT'S ALL! I just have to say that its amusing to hear all the talk about Joni's deteriorating voice when two of my favorite CD's of last year were by to women who NEVER had "pretty" voices and were 77 and 78 years old when they recorded their CD's released in 2002. For me, its all about communicating the song to the listener...it doesn't always have to be wrapped up in a pretty package. I'm sure Tom Waits would have to be considered in my Top 10 if I only had his 2002 CD's. I think he's a genius, but he ain't got a purty voice. Best, Harry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:00:52 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Bush Lies - who lies? (njc) (pc) > I wonder - do you think Bush had his propagandists writing these > official reports for the U.S. State Department back in 1998-1999? > Maybe it was Blair putting a spell on Clinton's people? Geez. Thanks for the link, Kakki. Very informative. I guess my question now is: do we solve this by going to war? Why not just take out Saddam himself? Surely that's possible, without killing innocent civilians with stray "smart bombs." Or ... Is it really about the oil??? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:09:42 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Blenheim (NJC) Paul C wrote: >I'm thinking of asking the 11th Duke (never met him) if he'll ask >her and the London Symphony Orchestra over for tea. You lot'd come, right? Especially if the Rosinators were the opening act! :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:19:57 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Anna & the deer, part 2 In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:50:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@yahoo.com writes: > During that > trip, Wayne's wife Anna was lost to a terrorist > bringing down a jetliner. > > Today I put on the song "Taming The Tiger". Did > anyone notice this before? > I think she was on flight 800 to Paris, wasn't she? Was that a terrorist attack or faulty wiring? Tragic, either way...but thanks for making the connection to the tune TTT and the reference to Anna. I never knew who she was singing about. I read your post and remembered "And I thought of Anna, wild and dear" and thought it was touching. Then I remembered the lines right before that--I watched the stars chuck down their spears, AND A PLANE WENT BLINKING BY, and I thought of Anna" Goosebumps. Just another example of Joni knowing what little bits of information to relay in order to link her thinking to something universal within us. So often these days, when I see planes, I remember the footage of 9/11. So it seems so TRUE to me that she had the tragedy of flight 800 pop into her mind when she saw the plane that night. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: Mags...you mean to tell me that neither you nor Brei has a copy of "Blood On The Tracks"??? This is ONLY the second best record released in the rock era! (Hejira of course being number 1) Either buy or steal a copy this week. And give each other a spanking while you're at it. And I mean a *punishment* kind of spanking, not a *foreplay* one! :~) ooooooops. errr umm it was late and um errrrr. nevermind. yes we do own blood on the tracks... thanks bro. i will pass along the info and especially the um errr 'advice' to honeyboi. sistah ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:03:45 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc In a message dated 1/14/2003 12:55:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > ooooooops. errr umm it was late and um errrrr. nevermind. > yes we do own blood on the tracks... Whew! I was thinking that I was going to have to perform a "track-iotomy" (adding Blood on the Tracks to one's music collection). Still, if you don't automatically know that Buckets of Rain is on it, it just means you don't know it well enough! You still get the whupping, only now you merely have to play the copy you already own. :~) Bob NP: Bobby D, "I Want You" New Orleans 11/10/81 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:24:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: redemption? NJC SC It is apparent to me that no human being is perfect. I don't equate this with being born 'in sin'. It seems to me we are born perfect. It is life and how we exeprience it that causes the imperfection. Fear creeps in. We learn(are taught) shame. we become self conscious and aware that we are not 'good enough' because we are taught this, either directly or indirectly. I have met one or two truly peaceful people in my life. They had a deep faith in a Higher Power but none of them followed a religion. They prayed and they meditated. They changed over time from a place of unserenity to a place of serenity. Perhaps, we humans, on our own, cannot reach the goal we set ourselves, peace, without help of a spiritual nature. Without intervention by the Great Spirit, if invited. Even then we still do not become perfect. A belief does not make one perfect. My own thought is that jesus showed us that to live well despite the opposition, and despite ourselves, was possible. That life did not end with physical death. That God was with in each of us and reachable. That recognizing this could change us if we so choose. That we suffered because of ourselves, not because we are being punished. that we could do as he did 'and more'. a physical life time is just not enough time for a person to reach their full potential. I do not accept that God requires 'satisfaction' for our sins. I do not think God, being perfect, feels resentment, therefore God has no need to forgive us. we need to forgive ourselves and others. God also knows we are not perfect so to punish that imperfection is really a terible thing to do. It is like kicking a dog for not being able to speak or beating a small child for not being able to understand particle physics. It seems to me that God would love us no matter what. there is nothing we could do that would make God reject us. that would be impossible. God is not like a parent, nor a teacher, a freind, a,lover, a sibling, nor anything we can understand. I think we can turn our backs onGod, either deleibrately or thru ignorance. We can do this by our pride, by our thinking we know best, by thinking we could not be wrong, by closing our minds. A clsoed mind cannot be helped. However, i think no matter far in the opppostie direction we go, the way back is never barred. I don't think when we die that God sorts us into the good and the bad and sends us to heaven or hell accordingly. No. I think we do that for ourselves. I think we are where our 'mind' puts us. I fe don't like our 'place' then we can ask for help and change thus cahnging the place we are in. Pretty much like life here-it changes as we do. As someone said, we do not see the world as it is but how we are. I think the next life this applies even more strongly, since there are no physical constraints. i don't believe that survial of the self after death is dependent on goodness or belief. We cannot 'earn' it by being good and we don't earn it by believeing something. It just is. It is sad, to me, that people think the passport to 'heaven', to peace, is just accepting a belief. Equally sad is the belief that we will only be loved and go to a good place by being perfect. That isn't going to be possible. So I think we are not perfect.That a life time is not enough 'time' to become so. That we will NOT be punished for our imperfection. That with an open mind and help we can change for the better. That God loves us no matter what and we have nothing whatever to fear in that regard. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:31:34 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc > "Mary E. Pitassi" wrote: > > Well, it *is* "Buckets of Rain," and the song *is* from _Blood on the > Tracks_, but I think the version used on the show was a different > one. It didn't sound like Dylan at all to me, but rather,a much more > recent, contemporary reworking by another artist. I'm pretty sure it was the original Dylan recording. The songs on Blood on the Tracks are very open sounding, with clear acoustic guitar work, and his voice is much gentler than the way he sings these days, although still with his distinctive phrasing. So, I think it was him, the 1974 him; of course, I could be wrong about that. 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