From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #28 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 028 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NY Times review of Travelogue [FredNow@aol.com] "Guitar Girls" in Sarasota (from Joan List) ["Timothy Spong" ] re: Funniest movie lines (NJC) ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] more epiphanies [Little Bird ] Attn: BobFans njc [Mags N Brei ] Re: Attn: BobFans njc [dsk ] Crosby, Nash and all at Troubadour Sunday (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Joni PWWAM ["kakki" ] Joni on CBC [Doug ] Re: NY Times review of Travelogue [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 -- airplay [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 -- NYC event [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Today's Library Links: January 14 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:14:50 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times review of Travelogue In a message dated 1/10/03 8:11:16 AM, Bobsart48 writes: >Fred - I do not often read Rockwell's reviews, and I have great respect >for the opinions you post here on the list (I too have reservations about >T, including those you share here). However, my view of this review is >that he should be fired for it (not because of the bottom line - he thought >T is terrible - but because of the way the review was written). This was >an atrocious piece of writing and review work ... etc. Hi Bob. Thanks for the kind words about my posts. My defense of Rockwell isn't based on his writing per se but his ideas, with which I don't always agree. However, he's one of the few writers out there who actually offers some ideas worth exploring, and is asking questions worth asking. I've read a book of his, "All American Music," an interesting survey of late 20th-century American musical composition which includes essays on a wide range of artists such as John Cage, Laurie Anderson, Stephen Sondheim, Elliott Carter, Keith Jarrett, Talking Heads, Neil Young, Ornette Coleman, etc. Again, I don't always agree with him but it's provocative stuff (I have a similar relationship to the writing of iconoclast Glenn Gould, whose mind I find terribly fascinating even while vehemently disagreeing). So, points taken regarding questionable writing and/or editing (one never knows which), and I can also understand the anger towards his tone. But to a certain extent I also understand his tone in reaction to Joni's self-indulgence ... I think the Greek chorus interjections may have something to do with it. While I do enjoy some of Travelogue, nothing on it increases my existing enjoyment of the songs, and in some cases detracts from it. Even while I can enjoy the lush beauty of the new Amelia, for instance, there is something so perfect about the relatively austere original that I do wonder why it needed new clothes, especially ones as extravagant as these. But, you know, that's cool ... try something different, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't ... that's the artist's journey. By the way, I wanted to point out an oversight in your dissection of the review. You wrote: >Above, I called her singing inimitable. (Rockwell) > >No, you did not. Patheticcally sloppy. (Bob) But, actually, he *did* in this earlier passage: >On the original studio recording, the accompaniment is electric guitars >and vibraphones, electronically sustaining Ms. Mitchell's own inimitable >vocals, cool and clipped, and almost pushing this sad, intimate, conversational >song along to its conclusion. Best regards, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:16:33 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: "Guitar Girls" in Sarasota (from Joan List) Fellow JMDLers: The following, posted Sunday on the Joan (Baez) List, which I read Monday in digest form, should be equally interesting to this Joni List: Message Number: 25 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:25:07 -0800 From: BaezFan39@aol.com Subject: "Guitar Girls" in FL Anyone nearby able to get to this show? It will be interesting to know which of Joan's songs is being used. Dave Guitar Girls As it celebrates the achievements of female singer/songwriters, the musical revue "Guitar Girls" also explores the way women's roles have changed in America. "The earliest songs in the show are about home and family and spirituality," said Dennis Courtney, who is directing the Florida Studio Theatre Cabaret production that opens Thursday. "The women were defined by their men, and how they felt about them. The later songs reflect the breakup of the nuclear family, and the changing relationships between men and women. Then, there's a real shift of consciousness, with women beginning to own their individuality and power for the first time." Works by the Carter Family, the Weavers, Carol King, Janis Joplin, Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell, the Dixie Chicks and Mary Chapin Carpenter are featured in the show. The song list includes "Will the Circle Be Unbroken," "If I Had a Hammer," "You've Got a Friend," "Jolene," "Mercedes Benz," and, naturally, Carpenter's "Girls with Guitars." Cast member Rhonda Coullet, who has appeared in such previous cabaret productions as "Smoke on the Mountain" and "Harry Chapin and Friends," helped conceive the show. She is joined by three other singer/guitarists, Mimi Bessette, Emily Mikesell and Stewart Gregory. "Stewart provides the male perspective that is necessary in some of these songs," said Courtney. Laughing, Gregory said he was relieved to learn "I wouldn't be wearing heels and a dress." Courtney described all the cast members as "good musicians and actors who have the life experience necessary for these songs. They have a real understanding of the lyrics. They don't have to re-invent themselves to be these people." - -- Charlie Husiking "Guitar Girls" opens at 7:30 p.m. Thursday following previews at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday and Wednesday in the Florida Studio Theatre Cabaret Club, 1241 N. Palm Ave., Sarasota. Tickets range from $18-$22. Call 366-9000. - ------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:22:48 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Joni references in FRAUD hi all. just curious... has anyone read FRAUD by David Rakoff? I don't remember anyone mentioning it on list, but i haven't been reading diligently. Like David Sedaris (a friend of his) Rakoff is a contributor to This American Life on NPR, and a frequently published freelance writer. I think Fraud is his first book. In any case, he references/mentions Joni several times throughout the book. He obviously admires her, quoting lyrics here and there and talking about her openly. I'll try to get the references to you, smurphy, so you can list them in Joni in fiction. Even though it's not fiction. It's funny as hell. Another book i read recently, The Good People of New York, also mentions Joni several times. good little fiction book by an up and coming young female writer named Thisby Nessen (sp?). trying to type those to you as well, smurphy. over and out. alison e. in slc np: all things considered. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:29:04 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: re: Funniest movie lines (NJC) In a recent movie, "Dogma", a 'muse' is complaining about her lot in life. She says, "The worst part is someone ELSE is always gets credit for my best work." Lama Ya gotta love Alanis as a goofy, silent G*d, too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Fwd: epiphanies anyone? Whenever one of Joni's songs has made itself truly known to me, it's always the result of some real-life drama in my own life mirroring the themes of the song in question. HEJIRA was a song I never really got into until my life brought me to a level of understanding that enabled me to 'get it.' I had made a compilation tape of various artists and was listening to it in the car on a dark winter night, driving home from work. I was 23 (this was three years ago) and I had broken up with my boyfriend the weekend before. It was a very suffocating romance, very smothering - neither of us had any way of being ourselves when we were with each other and we had basically lost ourselves. And so the lines came clear to me: "We're only particles of change, orbiting around the sun/But how can I have that point of view/When I'm always bound and tied to someone?" I needed my individuality back, my sense of indepence: "So now I am returning to myself these things that you and I supressed" And as I was driving home through the Canadian countryside, I saw some chimneys puffing whisps of smoke into the bright night sky: "White flags of winter chimneys, waving truce against the moon." It was an astounding ride home. I felt so free and like I was beginning again, knowing that I'd love again and that it would "suck me back" in good time. I wanted to keep on driving and driving and driving. HEJIRA is a definite road album. THE LAST TIME I SAW RICHARD came clear to me only a few weeks ago, as I posted to the list. Again, it was because of a break-up and again the trials and joys of love were put under my microscope for emotional examiniation. There have been so many Joni epiphanies that it's impossible to really list or recall them all. I know there are more to come too. I only began exploring her work 10 years ago, at the age of 16, and little by little her songs unravel their mysteries to me as I grow and learn and live. Joni's gift to the world is her understanding and articulation of life. She has been a remarkable guide to me, as she has to others, no doubt. She doesn't have all the answers, but her constant questioning is the key to her breadth of knowledge, and her incredible wisdom. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:35:03 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: more epiphanies I think I understood THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS (the album) when I saw a film by Ang Lee called The Ice Storm. I'm sure many of you have seen it: Kevin Klein, Sigourney Weaver, Joan Allen. The film is set just a few years prior to the album's release and many of the themes explored on the album are brought to life in The Ice Storm. The themes of the record were further explored in American Beauty and really drove some of the points home for me. I think THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS is an extremely cinematic album. A lot of Joni's songs have that celluloid quality to them, but that album in particular seems to play like a movie for me. I feel like I'm watching these sad, lonely, desperate characters cavorting on immaculate sun decks or swimming in pools lit by dim patio lanterns, trying to remember and forget all at once. Their lives are shallow and superficial, masking an undercurrent of intense sadness and resentment - the humanity that they are secretly longing to retrieve. In any case, the epiphany for that album dawned in a movie theatre. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:03:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Attn: BobFans njc Tonight's episode of "Crossing Jordan" closed with a Bob-type song which I think is called "Buckets of Rain." Is it in fact a Dylan tune? Inquiring minds want to know ;-) Thanks, Moogs and Brite (hey, what can we say?) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:28:49 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Attn: BobFans njc Yes, it's called "Buckets of Rain" and is the last track on "Blood on the Tracks". That's the version they used on the show. I like the way that show uses music, usually fitting most of each song and intertwining them with the dialogue, as they did tonight. They even used a Richard Thompson song on one show a while ago. Haven't heard Joni yet. Debra Shea Mags N Brei wrote: > > Tonight's episode of "Crossing Jordan" closed with a Bob-type song which I think is called "Buckets of Rain." Is it in fact a Dylan tune? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:14:43 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Crosby, Nash and all at Troubadour Sunday (njc) Crosby, Nash, Pevar, Raymond and John McKuen of the Dirt Band are playing a benefit concert at the Troubadour, Sunday, January 19th, starting at 6 p.m. The show is to raise money for a local candidate for the West Hollywood City Council. I tried to find more information, but could not. Whatever, most local causes are good ones ;-) General Admission tickets are $40 and there are seated tix at $75 and backstage party tix at $200 through the Guacamole Fund. Mr. Big Daddy Paz will be here for NAMM weekend and we will be in attendance at the Troubadour. Anyone else going and interested in meeting up, please let me know. Kakki NP: The Osbournes on the American Music Awards. Geez, Tim McGraw and Elton were pretty awesome together. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:25:47 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Handclaps on 'Old Road Gone' (NJC) Congratulations on the new release, Randy! I listened to some of the samples and oooh, it's just that heart of classic Northern California music that I've always loved! I loved the album cover photo, too. I swear I came across that same washout along Highway 1 sometime back at the height of the El Nino '80s. ;-) Great job and let us know if you are doing any live shows! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:32:00 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni PWWAM Bree wrote: > Absolutely!! I keep rewinding...multi-tasking here.. But she looks so > fresh!! I mean no.. she does not look like she is in her teens..but she has > that freshness of a young girl in her teens. She absolutely looked 30 years old that night. We all saw her up close and personal, too, and she still looked 30 (naturally and without any apparent "tricks" to make her look that way). She was just radiant both nights of the taping, despite getting over the flu. She had those proverbial halos of light surrounding her. When some of us who were there get together and recount it, we still just shake our heads in amazement. Glad you enjoy it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:16:29 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Joni on CBC This from CBC "Life and Times" schedule: http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_tv.html Feb 25 Joni Mitchell (Part 1) Joni Mitchell has been called the most influential recording artist of the late 20th century. A rare, intimate look at a multi-award winning musician who is as private and reflective as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. Mar 4 Joni Mitchell (Part 2) Joni Mitchell has been called the most influential recording artist of the late 20th century. A rare, intimate look at a multi-award winning musician who is as private and reflective as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:34:10 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times review of Travelogue Fred Now wrote: > By the way, I wanted to point out an oversight in your dissection of the > review. You wrote: > > > >Above, I called her singing inimitable. (Rockwell) > > > >No, you did not. Patheticcally sloppy. (Bob) > > > But, actually, he *did* in this earlier passage: > > >On the original studio recording, the accompaniment is electric guitars > >and vibraphones, electronically sustaining Ms. Mitchell's own inimitable > >vocals, cool and clipped, and almost pushing this sad, intimate, > conversational > >song along to its conclusion. Yes, not exactly my best work. I will say this - I did re-read the text 3 times, missing that reference each time, before I put my foot in my mouth in writing. I guess a man sees what he wants to see.....And then I did such a careful job checking my own spelling, too :~) PATHETICALLY SLOPPY ! [Thanks to David Lahm for the advance warning off list that enabled me to brace myself for this expose' - and thanks, Fred, for being so gentle ;-) ] Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:10:20 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 -- airplay Subject: What's getting the most airplay from T? I keep hearing 'Woodstock' I haven't heard a thing (but then I rarely listen to the radio any more). I keep meaning to request "You Dream...." on my local jazz station (which plays Joni's recent work regularly) but haven't done it yet. If anyone in the Seattle area is reading, let's request some T'log on KPLU, 88.5 FM. KMTT 103.7 used to play Joni regularly (even played "Crazy Cries of Love" for a few weeks) but I don't know if they do any longer. I do read Radio & Records magazine (and RandR.com) regularly (these show which albums and tracks are playing at radio stations around the country and which new "adds" happen each week). T'log got minimal play for a couple of weeks in the "Adult Alternative" (formerly called Album-Oriented Rock) format but faded fast. Without promotion for the record company, radio will pretty much ignore a new release. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:23:30 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 -- NYC event In a message dated 1/13/2003 5:07:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > There is an unflattering photo of Joni in this Sunday's New York Times' > society page. She is at the 50th anniversary of The Aperture Foundation, > dedicated to promoting photography as a form of artistic expression. She > is > at Sotheby's chatting with CBS News Correspondent Richard Schlesinger. > Also > photographed at the party is Mayor Michael Bloomberg with Graham Nash, who > received an award at the event. Elton John was the night's honorary > chairman. Well, I'm glad Joni's making the scene....think she flew to NYC with Graham? I hope she stopped by the Times office and blew smoke on the Arts & Leisure page editor. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:08:22 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 14 On January 14 the following item was published: 1996: "Too feminine for rock? Or is rock too macho?" - New York Times (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=941 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #28 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)