From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 027 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- folk music ["mike pritchard" ] jan 13!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] epiphanies anyone? ["mike pritchard" ] Alison Krauss (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Alison Krauss (NJC) ["Tamsin Lucas" ] What's getting the most airplay from T? ["Paul Castle" ] RE: epiphanies anyone? ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: MARY GAUTHIER (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Truly Madly Deeply njc [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: epiphanies anyone? [Jerry Notaro ] jan 13!!!!! njc [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: folk music [Jerry Notaro ] prepare ye -njc-rc [PMcfad@aol.com] RAIN (sjc) [Thomas Ross ] Re: Top 10 CDs of 2002 ["Happy The Man" ] religion vs holy places, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni as a Muse ["Laurent Olszer" ] Cookbook [CherokeeLouise@aol.com] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Martha likes Joni [SMC1254@aol.com] Re: Cookbook NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] re: prepare ye-njc-rc [colin ] Kasey njc [colin ] Joni in New York Times Society Pages 1/12/03 ["Tortorici, Frank" ] Re: Kasey njc ["kasey simpson" ] Re: Cookbook NJC ["Lori Fye" ] re: Funniest movie lines (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Bible story, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] NY Times Travelogue review ["Deb Messling" ] Counting Crows NJC ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] Re: NY Times Travelogue review [KJHSF@aol.com] Fwd: epiphanies anyone? [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Counting Crows NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: folk music ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NY Times Travelogue review ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NY Times Travelogue review [Jerry Notaro ] dog or towel? NJC [colin ] Re: NY Times Travelogue review ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Alison Krauss/Cowboy Junkies NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Travelogue art revisited [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: epiphanies anyone? ["Heather" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:24:32 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: folk music I decided to play Joni's Mingus CD on the computer the other night and for some reason Real Player kicked in instead of the usual cd player. No big deal but when I looked at the 'genre' slot it described it as 'folk' music. How should I react? mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 05:43:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: jan 13!!!!! njc it's claudia's birthday!!!!!!!!!! so let us kneel before her glorious beauty and intone HaPpYBiRtHdAy dearest lady of the canyon though you don't live in a canyon! love, wallyK, in lieu of the BDF, who has become so whimsical as of late. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:36:41 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: epiphanies anyone? And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise with her music. I don't know how she sort of crept into my musical life but it certainly wasn't with a bang. I clearly remember hearing 'Space Oddity' and 'In the Court of the Crimson King' for the first time and thinking 'wow', and even more so with Chicago's 'Introduction', the day I fell in love with the sound of a trombone. In Britain in those days the only time we heard trombones was in the brass bands or the Dixieland jazz bands. Neither sounded good to me but when I heard 'Introduction' I couldn't believe how beautiful the sound was, nor in fact the mixture of rock instrumentation and a horn section. I suppose this was the moment I started to listen to jazz in a serious way. Getting back to Joni it seemed that she was always there. I had heard some stuff from the first few albums and saw her at the Isle of Wight and she was already a firm favourite at that time but I don't know when or how she became the most important songwriter and singer in my life. Some people here on the list have said that hearing 'Blue' opened the doors, but what about the others. Epiphanies anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:38:58 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Alison Krauss (NJC) Kate wrote: > alison krauss's band is called union station And it's hard to think of a better back-up - in any genre. Although I don't have it yet myself, I would recommend her new double album "Live" (a full concert recorded at the Louisville Palace in April '02) featuring Jerry Douglas, dobro (say no more, squire), Dan Tyminski (the voice of George Clooney on Man of Constant Sorrow in O Bruv and main Soggy Bottom Boy - and one of my all-time favourite film scenes) on guitar, Ron Block on banjo and guitar and Barry Bales on bass (both 'say no more squires, too). This new albums getting a lot of airplay over here at the moment - particularly her version of the old Fortunes hit 'Baby, now that I've found you' and (I think the original cover of) 'When you say nothing at all' (so wish they had used Alison's version in Notting Hill). PaulC PS If you like the sound of slow soulful dobro (oh, bejeesus) take a listen to their live version of 'New Favorite" http://www.mp3.com/alisonkrauss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:36:57 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Re: Alison Krauss (NJC) Thanks everyone for the Alison/Junkies advice, I'll be visiting Slough's finest record shops (sic) in my lunch hour to see what I can locate _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:36:06 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: What's getting the most airplay from T? I keep hearing 'Woodstock' - last night, on BBC London Live, the host (I don't know her name) played it, said "Good on you, Joni" and proceeded to sing some lines from the song (mimicing the original version surprisingly well) and asking her studio guest what she thought of it - lots of "lovelies" "hmmms" "aaarhs" In my little fantasy world, there is still one piece in the Travelogue jigsaw before she leaves this stage of her artistic career. I was born in a small Oxfordshire village called Yarnton, not 4 miles from Woodstock - as a child at this time of the year I often went skating or toboganning on Blenheim Palace Lake (got a bit too creaky for me sometimes, though - give me a good old Canadian river that'll hold a big truck, any day!). If Joni really is going to round things off (for a while, please), I'm thinking of asking the 11th Duke (never met him) if he'll ask her and the London Symphony Orchestra over for tea. You lot'd come, right? see http://www.blenheimpalace.com/index1.htm PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 06:39:14 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Hunter/ This Flight I couldnt agree more Ken the first time I heard Hunter(which you were so kind to send my way ;) I really thought it was this flight tonight..I love this flight and im glad she decided to use that music with those lyrics..Hope everyone is havin a great day love light and peace to all ****kevin**** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:40:07 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Alison Krauss (NJC) Tamsin wrote: >I'll be visiting Slough's finest record shops (sic) in >my lunch hour to see what I can locate And you'll be dancing like Ricky Gervais by tea time, I guarantee. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 7:31:22 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: epiphanies anyone? > And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise > with her music. I don't know how she sort of crept into my musical life but it > certainly wasn't with a bang. Some people here on the > list have said that hearing 'Blue' opened the doors, but what about the > others. Epiphanies anyone? Back when I was in college, in '89 I believe, someone lent me Song To A Seagull and I was completely blown away. Up until then I'd only been listening to Rush(with which I experienced probably the biggest epiphany ever), Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Jethro Tull, Yes, etc...and of course they used some interesting chords but here all of the sudden was this woman playing all by herself in weird tunings and singing these hauntingly beautiful songs. She undoubtedly made a big impression on me. It was around then I also discovered Neil Young, Van Morrison, Bob Marley and the Grateful Dead. Hearing Nick Drake in 1995 completely changed me as well, even more so perhaps. Johnny Hartman, Ella Fitzgerald, Miles Davis and John Coltrane, and definately Stevie Wonder. And by joining the JMDL a few years ago I've had the opportunity to rediscover Joni Mitchell's music which has made a major impact on the direction things have taken. Victor in Ashelanta - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:21:52 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: MARY GAUTHIER (NJC) Her concert was wonderful. Sold out and had to add another. Her cd was just named by the New York Times as the best independent release of 2002. The song Drag Queens and Limousines is worth the price, alone. BTW, Marcia Ball was also in town and got the cover of the St. Pete Times Weekender. Jerry Michael Paz wrote: > I am not, but maybe I can hear some next Thursday say??? > > Paz > > on 1/10/03 7:56 AM, Steve Dulson at steve@psitech.com wrote: > > > Jerry wrote: > > > >> excited about seeing MARY GAUTHIER tonight. Pazman, do you know her? > > > > I don't know if Paz does, but I do! Michele and I have seen her at > > two Folk Alliances - she is terrific! A real original. I wish she > > would play down here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:37:20 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: Truly Madly Deeply njc Azeem wrote: Hmmm, not sure I'd rate it that highly Jacky, mainly for the hopping scene, which I REALLY didn't like! Still, Juliet Stevenson and Alan Rickman are always very watchable - and Juliet gives good cry, doesn't she?? Now me: AH!!! at last, I can come out of the Truly Madly Deeply closet and admit I'm not that impressed either! Yes, the actors are good, and the setting is realistic and unglamorous, and the "idea" is brilliant (grieving over a dead partner, having him reappear, maybe going mad...) but my goodness, talk of a cop-out! First of all the ghostly lover becomes rather ghastly when he brings all his dead mates from heaven along and all they do is play at cards... But worst of all: yes, this stupid new lover who turns up for our Juliet. He just sees her once and just KNOWS that all he has to do is be insistent and in the end they will find out they're made for each other. Typified in that unwatchable hopping scene - arrrgh! What if she said: "Go away, you're boring and unattractive, you're nothing like Alan Rickman"??? No really, I'm serious! Leaving fickle notions such as "boring" and "attractive" aside, I really feel the film cheats us by bringing that irritating hopping man into the scene. What I wanted to see, was: how do you REALLY cope with grief? When it really keeps hurting without surprise solutions, when you don't have a deus ex machine hopping along? How do you learn to be strong ON YOUR OWN or just with some pretty average people around you to give pretty average support? How to snap yourself out of that "nothing compares" despair... The film promised us some of that, and then fell into the worst of hollywoody solutions. (Sleepless in Seattle, another horror, comes to mind...) Thanks, Azeem, for letting me lance this personal boil! Lieve. _____________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:45:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: epiphanies anyone? mike pritchard wrote: > And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise > with her music. Some people here on the > list have said that hearing 'Blue' opened the doors, but what about the > others. Epiphanies anyone? I was thunderstruck hearing Night In the City on the radio from a Toronto FM radio station. I lived in Buffalo but we had a summer home in Canada. In those days FM stations were really "underground" and would never have played anything you would have heard on AM. When I made the connection between this wonderful singer and the writer of Judy Collins Both Sides Now and Michael From Mountains, it was, as they say, all she wrote. Jerry np: Hello Twelve, Hello Thirteen, Hello Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 06:47:32 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: jan 13!!!!! njc - ----- Forwarded message from Wally Kairuz ----- "it's claudia's birthday!!!!!!!!!!" Claudia, Wishing you the happiest of days- I hope all you wish and dream for will come true. Enjoy your day! love Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:06:10 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: folk music Probably it is the artist who is classified, not the cd. That is unfortunate. I suspect that if Eminem and Joni were to team up for her next CD it would still be called folk by some. Jerry mike pritchard wrote: > I decided to play Joni's Mingus CD on the computer the other night and for > some reason Real Player kicked in instead of the usual cd player. No big deal > but when I looked at the 'genre' slot it described it as 'folk' music. How > should I react? > mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:09:14 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: prepare ye -njc-rc i have a few thoughts to add to this old thread. one thought has to do with the suggestion that intellectualism leads to faith/religion. i've never seen it that way. that's not to say that statement is wrong, but rather just the first time i've heard that. i've always posited that intellectualism leads to athiesm. the athiest might say....i don't need all that mystery and magic and make believe....give me the cold hard real facts of life and that will be fine for me....where as the believer might say....i can't expalin it all but i know it is real. from my experience, faith and intellectualism are not implicative. faith is a movement of the heart where as intellectualism is a movement of the mind. they can go together, but it's not been my experience that one leads to another. nor has it been my experience that they are mutually exclusive. i've been able to find both faith and intellectual satisfaction. perhaps they are more of a venn diagram that overlap but do not contain on another. a second thought i have is regarding christianity beind dismissed for it's bizarre writings in the gospels and other texts. ie. i am the way, the truth, and the live....no one comes by the father except through the son. joni does the same thing in her song turbulent indigo. she says of vincent....i'm a burning hearth. what van gogh actually said was....there may be a great fire within our soul.... so joni grew that phrase to paint a picture with her words. i believe this is what we see in the texts of the bible, be they from the old or new testament. a painting with words where any one color or statement alone is not enough to project the entire image. my third thought is that we handled joseph-francis pretty roughly as a group. yes, he was provoking. at the same time, i think his world was turned upside down on him when he came here because of music he liked only to find out that there were others in the world who professed the same faith as him but believed nothing which he did. i think he was shocked and frightened by the freedom of thought he stumbled upon. my last thought is in answer to anne's question on what we believe about jesus. i beleive that a christian is christian when they act like one, not when they profess to be one. i believe this because of the story of the good samaritan who acted with compassion but believed nothing while the pharisee believed and followed the law but couldn't stop on the road to help a sick person. i guess i view jesus as a manifestation of a new understanding of faith...one that works from the inside out instead of the outside in. in my limited world, the totality of christianity is espoused in the beatitudes which can be found the the fifth chapter of matthew. blessed are the poor, the meek...etc. particularly...blessed are the clean of heart for they shall see god. each beatitude is two fold....blessed are the .....for they shall..... i take this as a reciprocal description of our relationship with god. if we seek god, then we will have our hearts cleaned. if our hearts are clean, then we are able to see god. in fact i believe so strongly in this that i rarely ask to see god in my daily life because i am aware of the great costs of heart cleaning that come with the consequences of such a request. yet each time i've asked, i've been answered...the stars of christendom are the poor, the meek, and the pure of heart. so to me, jesus is a medium in which i've come to better understand my role in life and my place in the community of others. jesus is also a living experience for me where i find all of life's better emotions like joy,peace,hope,and excitement. jesus is a burning hearth where i slough off my coat and sit. and jesus is the other person in my life who demands from me more than i have to offer which leads me to some of life's worse emotions which inevitably make me better. jesus is the one who takes me beyond myself and helps burn my heart clean. pat np. patti griffin - nobody's crying ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:28:01 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: RAIN (sjc) Hi all. Joni is one of my alltime inspirations. If there's a direct connection to my new album, it's her setting Yeats to music. Indirectly I feel indebted to her courage, inventiveness, verbal acuity and much more. THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is acoustic, jazz-rooted music with influence from India and Africa, and deriving from poets such as Mary Oliver, W S Merwin, Emily Dickinson, and Pablo Neruda. Do check it out! Clips on the website; available there and through CD Street. Happy new year! What do they call Santa's little helpers? Subordinate Clauses. Album blurb below. Tom Ross * FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE * Album of Global Jazz Songs Unveiled! THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is Tom Ross's long-awaited sophomore work following the critically acclaimed *Horse of Stone* album, which was sponsored by David Crosby. Like *Horse*, THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is jazz-based acoustic guitar songs by composer-performer Tom Ross. The influence from India and Africa is once again evident in the tones and rhythms, but the textures are leaner, and the debt is greater to poets such as Pablo Neruda (whose line prompted the title song). The lyrics are also based on the work of Emily Dickinson, W. S. Merwin, and George Herriman of the Krazy Kat comic strip. THE RAIN features reedman Charlie Keagle (also heard on *Horse of Stone*), Mike Migliozzi on drums, Josh Zucker on bass, and background vocalist Carin Gado. Ross is on vocals, guitar, fretless 12-string guitar, as well as sequencing and programming. The striking album is wide in its range of moods and topics. In "The Fox's Body," a Zen monk gives the wrong answer to a koan question and is turned into a fox; "The Smile in the Stone" tells of a mason on a medieval church who discovers his mystical ties to the stone; while "Who My Soul Loves" adapts sexy love-poetry from the Song of Solomon. Fans of *Horse of Stone* will find THE RAIN equally satisfying, while notably sparer, and marked by the view of an artist in middle life. Indian rhythms and vocal styling imbue many of the songs, with danceable grooves stemming from the African-American funk of Ross's jazz heritage. THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is a triumph of song that defies category, and a must-have for the discerning listener. Contact: Mijazi Music 623 Rankin Schenectady, NY 12308 OR CDStreet.com more info: http://www.tom.rossweb.com * Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:36:06 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Top 10 CDs of 2002 I bought two CD's, you need a loan. Travelogue & October Road. October Road by the way is the best album I have heard from Mr. Taylor for years. Peace, Craig NP: Gulf Coast Hwy, Nanci Griffith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Little Bird" To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: Top 10 CDs of 2002 > It just occured to me that only bought one CD in 2002 > and that was Travelogue! Good grief, am I really that > poor?? > > -Andrew > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:26:49 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: religion vs holy places, njc Sarah wrote: > > Another example: there's a debate as to who's to blame for the second > > intifada. People on the Left tend to say it was Sharon because of his > > provocative visit to the Temple Mount. People on the Right tend to > > say it was the Palestinians, because although they claim it was a > > spontaneous uprising against Sharon, in fact it was well planned, and > > the Israeli government had contacted the PLO well in advance of > > Sharon's visit to check that it would be okay. > > > > My thinking is: a plague on both their houses. Sharon was stupid to > > visit what he knew others regarded as a holy site because he regards > > it as such himself, and he therefore knew the strength of feeling. And > > the Palestinians were stupid to care! They could have ignored him. > > They're not automata. > > > > Now hundreds of people are dying because of one old man's visit to an > > old building. > Vince acquiesced: > That last sentence is so profound I will remember it all of my life, and > you can bet I'll use it, too, and maybe not always give credit! :-) > That is what is so fucking wrong with religion. > > If anything, faith should have taught us that there are no "holy" " > places," But the corruption of faith into religion is that we have > ended up with old buildings that old men visit and people dying Well you'd better believe that the 2nd intifada was well planned ahead and Sharon's visit was only the excuse to launch it. I can document all this with plenty of data if anyone is interested. Just would like to make a few short comments though: * Sharon visited the wailing wall, NOT the Mosques. And that was his privilege. * I will however concede it was a political move on his part, right before elections. * This middle east conflict is a political one, not a religious one. * The holiest place in Judaism is not a temple or its remnants, is not an old building. It is the few square feet of desert where G.. spoke to Moses in the form of a flaming bush. Pretty humble, wouldn't you say? * Take the holiest day in the jewish year, Yom Kipour. Due to the affluence of "Kipour Jews", synagogues are too small and services take place in swimming pools, circuses, concert halls, .... There is very little importance as to where services take place, as long as one has faith. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:22:08 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni as a Muse Hello, This may not be news, but just found it out as I read the liners notes to Crosby & Nash's Another Stoney Evening, a 97 re-release (?) of a 71 recording. "Stranger's Room": Graham explains that the lyric of Stranger's Room recalls an incident that followed the end of his love affair with Joni. "That was me releasing myself from Joan, waking up in some woman's house, and wondering what I was doing there" Graham says. (With Joni acting as a muse for several other songs here, including parts of "Man in the Mirror", and a verse of "Guinnevere", it's no wonder that Nash/Crosby-with a gatefold that featured a Joel Bernstein photograph from this performance-was dedicated to "Miss Mitchell")...... "Guinnevere" was a tapestry woven of 3 women in David's life: Joni in the 3rd verse, the late Christine Gail Hinton in the 2nd, and a "woman with green eyes that no one knows" says David, in the 1st. They were all archetypes blended into an ethereal one"... Speaking of muses, for you Albert Brooks fans he's made a movie with Sharon Stone being a muse, pretty funny stuff. Laurent's 2 cents ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:01:09 EST From: CherokeeLouise@aol.com Subject: Cookbook Cindy Vickery,I lost your email address and would like to know about the Joni Cookbook;if you read this please email me and let me know when you will be sending it!! Thanks! Lisa K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:21:48 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen Thanks for sharing those lyrics from the Blue Songbook. I didn't even know this songbook existed. I also have seen some different lyrics in the songbooks I have. One lyric that I can think of off the top of my head is from "I Don't Know Where I Stand". From the Clouds album: All alone in California and talking to you. From the JM Songbook vol.I: All alone in Carolina and talking to you. My guess would be that Carolina is the original lyric, since the song was published in 1967 and Joni also spent time - in Fort Bragg, I think - performing for the soldiers during this period. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:31:59 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Medley - Little Green Bob wrote: As I said, this is among my favorite Joni performances. And one of a couple "medleys" she did early on..."Marcie/Nathan La Franeer" was another, "River/Willy" another, and then there was the peculiar combination of "Willy" & a song called "Looking Out For Love" that I never see referenced anywhere as a separate song. Donna: Bob do you have access to any of these other medlies? I would be particularly interested in finding Willy/Looking Out for Love!! Tushie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:34:50 EST From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Re: Martha likes Joni Well, Martha isn't all that bad. She does have good taste. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:38:32 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Cookbook NJC <> apologies for my procrastination to all who have given up on me for cookbook delivery! take heart - the end is near and cookbooks will truly arrive at your homes one day. copies are made, envelopes are addressed and weighed for metering - we're just waiting on a few finishing touches. newbies and those who missed out the first time - there is an absolutely fabulous cookbook that was compiled by listmembers a few years back to be presented to joni. she and a very few others received a copy, but now the cookbook is finally (soon-to-be) available to the rest of us. if you'd like a copy, gratis, just send me your snail mail address, and be prepared to have your patience tested by my inability to get my sh*t together. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:55:37 +0000 From: colin Subject: re: prepare ye-njc-rc > i beleive that a christian is christian when they act like one, not >when they profess to be one. > this was an excellent post. I particularly liked the above sentence. good to see you writing again, pat. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:58:17 +0000 From: colin Subject: Kasey njc Kasey your mail is bouncing. Mail keeps being returned. says 'permanent error' bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:08:07 -0500 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Joni in New York Times Society Pages 1/12/03 Dear List: There is an unflattering photo of Joni in this Sunday's New York Times' society page. She is at the 50th anniversary of The Aperture Foundation, dedicated to promoting photography as a form of artistic expression. She is at Sotheby's chatting with CBS News Correspondent Richard Schlesinger. Also photographed at the party is Mayor Michael Bloomberg with Graham Nash, who received an award at the event. Elton John was the night's honorary chairman. The photo captures (sideview) Joni in what looks like a moment of great amusement. Frank Tortorici ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:10:44 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Medley - Little Green In a message dated 1/13/2003 11:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: > Bob do you have access to any of these other medlies? I would be > particularly interested in finding Willy/Looking Out for > Love!! I do...this particular CD is a composite of various live performances, it's noteworthy as well in that it contains the only version of "A Melody In Your Name" that I've ever heard. Here's the tracklist for the CD: 1. Both Sides Now 2. Circle Game 3. Just Like Me 4. Eastern Rain 5. Blue On Blue 6. Gift of the Magi 7. Melody In Your Name 8. Dr. Junk 9. Chelsea Morning 10. Cactus Tree 11. Rainy Night House 12. Blue Boy 13. Willy 14. Looking Out For Love 15. Both Sides Now 16. Night In the City 17. Nathan LaFraneer 18. The Gallery I can make you a copy of the whole CD or I can try and roll up that Willy/Looking medley into another audio file. Lemme know. Bob NP: Doobie Brothers, "Dark Eyed Cajun Woman" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:13:50 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Hunter/Hissing Demos In a message dated Sun, 12 Jan 2003 9:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, RoseMJoy writes: > Nope, what I have is the Seeding of Summer Lawns and other assorted blades of grass (which doesn't include Hunter), > produced by Don Rowe Personally, I appreciate Don doing that but I don't hear any difference in the original and his "re-master". Plus, the original release had all those fun radio ads and other misc. bonus tracks he removed. Bob NP: Doobie Bros, "Clear As The Driven Snow" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:32:37 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Kasey njc HMMMMM? I noticed this too! A busy weekend? A call is in order. Bree >Kasey your mail is bouncing. Mail keeps being returned. says 'permanent >error' >bw >colin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:53:34 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: Kasey njc Colin, Bree, My partners uncle passed away this weekend.....cancer, and I hadn't been in my mail most of the weekend so it got full. Sorry if I worried anyone. But I am here, and other than emotional upheaval doing fine. Kasey Kasey your mail is bouncing. Mail keeps being returned. says 'permanent error' bw colinGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:09:31 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Cookbook NJC > copies are made, envelopes are addressed and weighed for metering - > we're just waiting on a few finishing touches. Cindy, that's a very nice was of saying that you're REALLY just waiting on me to print the covers ... I'll try to get those done this week! Lori, always running behind the times ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:09:32 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Funniest movie lines (NJC) Two come to mind. The first for cleverness, the second for unexpected cheek and the explosive laughter it elicited from the audience back in the 70s. 1. From "Love Me Tonight" (1932): When a case of mistaken identity is revealed, a character faints. Charlie Ruggles leaves the room to find help hurriedly and approaches the first person he sees, the nymphomaniacal Myrna Loy. CR: "Can you go for a doctor?" ML (fluffing hair and straightening skirt): "Sure. Bring him right in." 2. Again, from "Young Frankenstein": While lifting Teri Garr from the hay wagon upon arrival at the castle, Gene Wilder reacts to the architectural elements at the entrance. GW: "What knockers!" TG: "Oh, zank you doktor." CC "Out of the fire and still smouldering she says, "A woman must have everything." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:15:26 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Bible story, njc True story from the Bible! Laurent > > An old, bearded shepherd with a crooked staff walked > >> up to a stone > >> pulpit and > >> said, > >> > >> And lo, it came to pass that the trader by the name > >> of Abraham Com > >> did take unto himself a young wife by the name of > >> Dot. And Dot Com was > >> a > >> comely woman, broad of shoulder and long of leg. > >> Indeed, she had been > >> called > >> Amazon Dot Com. And she said unto Abraham, her > >> husband, "Why doth thou > >> travel far, from town to town with thy goods when > >> thou can trade > >> without > >> ever leaving thy tent?" > >> > >> And Abraham did look at her as though she were > >> several saddle bags > >> short of > >> a camel load, but simply said, "How, Dear?" > >> > >> And Dot replied, "I will place drums in all the > >> towns and drums in > >> between > >> to send messages saying what you have for sale and > >> they will reply > >> telling > >> you which hath the best price. And the sale can be > >> made on the drums > >> and > >> delivery made by Uriah's Pony Stable (UPS)." > >> > >> Abraham thought long and decided he would let Dot > >> have her way with the > >> drums. And the drums rang out and were an > >> immediate success. Abraham > >> sold > >> all the goods he had, at the top price, without > >> ever moving from his > >> tent. > >> But this success did arouse envy. A man named > >> Maccabia did secret > >> himself > >> inside Abraham's drum, and was accused of insider > >> trading. And the > >> young man > >> did take to Dot Com's trading as doth the greedy > >> horsefly take to camel > >> dung. They were called Nomadic Ecclesiastical Rich > >> Dominican Siderites, > >> or > >> NERDS for short. . > >> > >> And lo, the land was so feverish with joy at the > >> new riches and the > >> deafening sound of drums, that no one noticed that > >> the real riches were > >> going to the drum maker, one Brother William of > >> Gates, who bought up > >> every > >> drum company in the land. And indeed did insist on > >> making drums that > >> would > >> work only if you bought Brother Gates' drumsticks. > >> And Dot did say, > >> "Oh, > >> Abraham, what we have started is being taken over > >> by others." > >> > >> And as Abraham looked out over the Bay of Ezekiel, > >> or as it came to be > >> known > >> eBay, he said, "we need a name that reflects what > >> we are," > >> > >> And Dot replied, "Young Ambitious Hebrew Owner > >> Operators." > >> > >> "Whoopee!", said Abraham. "No, YAHOO!" said Dot > >> Com.. and that is how > >> it all > >> began. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:07:43 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: NY Times Travelogue review In yesterday's paper, the NY Times was good enough to correct the mistaken attribution of the Travelogue arrangements to Larry Klein. They didn't publish any outraged reactions to the review. The photo of Joni wasn't THAT unflattering. I would only say that if Joni has had any "work done," it wasn't around the chinline. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:30:26 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Counting Crows NJC Hi Bob, I asked you a question several months ago about Counting Crows discs other than AAEA, I just wanted to let you know that I have now purchased, This Desert Life and Hard Candy, both of which I really love for many reasons...it's hard to top August though. I remeber you mentioning your favorites from these albums, could you remind me what they were again, now that I have the discs I'm curious! I love "Holiday In Spain"!!! and of course the BYT COVER!!!! Hope all is well with you and everyone else , Erica ps. If anyone else wants to share their .02 that would be great! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:36:02 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review In a message dated 1/13/2003 2:08:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > The photo of Joni wasn't THAT unflattering. I would only say that if Joni > has > had any "work done," it wasn't around the chinline. > Funny you should mention that because I can think of several instances of Joni talking about the aging process, and she usually speaks specifically about her jawline...1painting in jowls for BSN, 2 questioning whether or not a lover would be interested in her or would want someone with a "tighter jawline"...it's definitely a part of the aging process that has crossed her mind. I haven't seen the picture, but I don't care how Joni looks-I love her in all her incarnations. I did think she looked particularly terrific in PWWAM! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:43:10 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Fwd: epiphanies anyone? Return-path: From: KJHSF@aol.com Full-name: KJHSF Message-ID: <6b.6fd2e38.2b54653a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:53:46 EST Subject: Re: epiphanies anyone? To: ink08@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 1/13/2003 4:38:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: > Epiphanies anyone? > I had begun listening to and liking Court and Spark and having an epiphany during the instrumental break in Down to You when the harp starts popping up in the mix. But my biggest epiphany was when I '"got" Hejira. I had the album for about two weeks, and I remember liking it though I hadn't really paid a lot of attention. But my epiphany moment is so vivid all these years later that I'm amazed I can recall the details. I was driving through a spring drizzle to Columbus to hang with some friends for the weekend. It was a Friday afternoon, and Amelia was playing, and all of a sudden, I was spellbound by every phrase because I realized how much genius was packed into every little bit. And I was called into the present moment throughout the entire trip, because my attention never veered from the music and the lyrics. I kept thinking, "she's a genius!" By the time Refuge had reached the instrumental break before the "I pulled off into a forest..." verse, I was rapturous! And every spring, there will come a rainy afternoon that reminds me of that day, and I'll get in the car and listen to Hejira again. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:56:08 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Counting Crows NJC In a message dated 1/13/2003 2:30:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: > it's hard to top August though. No argument there...it's still my favorite among their releases. I remeber you mentioning your > favorites from these albums, could you remind me what they > were again On This Desert Life: - -Mrs. Potter's Lullaby - -I Wish I Was a Girl (I like it all but these two are my faves) On Hard Candy: - -Butterfly In Reverse - -Up All Night - -Hard Candy Of course, your mileage may vary! :~) Bob NP: The Doors, "Riders On The Storm" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:05:56 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: folk music One can only imagine Joni's reaction to this?! And Kakki, I got tickled at your "after shocks" post. (I read something yesterday about the fault lines out there and thought of you) Bree NP: Steve Klink..still digging this ..Bob >I decided to play Joni's Mingus CD on the computer the other night and for >some reason Real Player kicked in instead of the usual cd player. No big >deal >but when I looked at the 'genre' slot it described it as 'folk' music. How >should I react? >mike _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:26:50 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review Goosebumps time!! Thanks..Ken..I just put PWWAM in... I dig this lady so much!! WOW!! Bree >her in all her incarnations. I did think she looked particularly terrific >in >PWWAM! >Ken _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:52:40 +0000 From: colin Subject: Pete Townshend NJC Pete Townshend has been arrested in a peodophile sweep. Initially he made a statement saying that he acceesed a pay to view site for research into a book he is writing. He has now been arrested on supsicion of making and distributing indecent images of children. It would seem they suspect he did more than look. Townshend is well known for his charity works as well as for his music. I hope this is not true. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:53:09 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Goosebumps time!! Thanks..Ken..I just put PWWAM in... I dig this lady so > much!! WOW!! > > Bree > > >her in all her incarnations. I did think she looked particularly terrific > >in > >PWWAM! Painting With Words and Music was a Joni career high point in this rabid fan's opinion. She looked and sounded fabulous! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:08:15 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Joke njc, rc, pc President Bush and Saddam Hussein meet face to face at an international conference. Hussein tells Bush about a dream he had: "I saw large banners flying over the United States. They proclaimed, 'Long live Saddam.'" Bush tells Hussein that he, too, had a dream: "I saw large banners flying over Baghdad." "What did they say?" asked Hussein. "I don't know," Bush said, "I don't read Hebrew." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:47:39 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review > The photo of Joni wasn't THAT unflattering. I would only say that if Joni has > had any "work done," it wasn't around the chinline. > I would love to see the photo refered to here if anybody has a link. Thanks Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:25:35 +0000 From: colin Subject: dog or towel? NJC http://www.hotdisk.net:8080/files/images/funny/DogOrTowel.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:26:46 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review Absolutely!! I keep rewinding...multi-tasking here.. But she looks so fresh!! I mean no.. she does not look like she is in her teens..but she has that freshness of a young girl in her teens. (I think of that song...SHE'S FRESH..and exciting ..FRESH..) And her sound!! I just shake my head. You lucky ones that were there..what an evening that must have been!! Bree "I looked at those granite markers..... >Painting With Words and Music was a Joni career high point in this rabid >fan's >opinion. She looked and sounded fabulous! > >Jerry _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:36:42 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: jan 13!!!!! njc H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y C L A U D E !!!!!!! Love ya, Rose Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:52:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Bush Lies (njc) (pc) http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021125&s=alterman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:32:35 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Alison Krauss/Cowboy Junkies NJC Cowboy Junkies? They had "it" from the first album "Whites Off Earth Now" although "The Trinity Session" is most folks gateway. I think "lay it down" and "Open" are just as solid. If you have a chance to see 'em, jump! To me they're a world-class band and if you show up early, you'll stand right at their feet! Then check out my pictures of Margo Timmins at http://photos.yahoo.com/jlamadoo Lama Tamsin Lucas asked for guidance: >>>> However, not being unable to name any songs I have heard I wasn't sure which to choose - are there any Alison/Junkies fans who could advise me on good 1st CDs to buy? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:10:19 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Bush Lies (njc) (pc) and Blair is right by his side. Our troops are on their way as are yours, Blair has said the US and UK will act regardless of the UN. So the UN, International Law etc is only for the small guys. Lori Fye wrote: >http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021125&s=alterman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:16:15 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Travelogue art revisited I haven't paid strict attention to all the discussion about the art included with Travelogue, so I've probably missed someone else making this observation way before me. The picture of George W shows an older woman who appears to be in Muslim dress. She's sort of sneaking up behind him, kind of like the fanatical wrath that led to 9/11 took the U.S. by surprise. In the picture of Osama bin Laden, he's got a young woman showing her breasts sitting on his shoulders. I think it may represent the western world excesses kind of smothering Muslim fundamentalism. In both cases, perceived evil is represented by a woman. (Interesting, since the Bush administration's view seems to imply - by detaining young Arab men, for example, - that young men are to blame for terrorism, not women.) The young woman is just that - young - just as the U.S. is young compared to the Middle East. The old woman is old, as is the ME. I think the pictures are a pair, to be taken together - sort of like 2/3 of a triptych. Also, the flame coming out of the twin towers looks like the devil's face as commonly depicted in western art. (I know, everybody saw that before me...) And, today I've started reading the book "Reverence" which I referenced in an earlier post. In Chapter 2, the author says that a poet described a world without reverence. I almost dropped the book as I read the lines "Turning and turning in the widening gyre..." Call it synchronicity - I've been learning to play STB the last couple of days, although he was quoting the Yeats poem. (And many thanks to Marian and Sue for their tablature!) I think that STB is my favorite Joni song - if I had to pick one. I think I've played it about a couple dozen times in 2 days and I'm still not tired of playing it! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:06:44 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: epiphanies anyone? For me it has always been FTR. FTR came at a turning point in my life ... a point when I grew in independence. My marriage was failing, my mother always disagreed with everything I did at the time so songs like Lessons in Survival, Let the Wind Carry Me and Woman of Heart and Mind came at a huge turning point for me. I felt like Joni wrote them for me and I know many people on the jmdl feel the same way about many of her songs ... that they came at a time most needed. For me, that is how Joni became the most important songwriter and singer. Early on, my musical taste was heavily influenced by my older brother who is a musician (who plays the keyboards and the trombone). Chicago Transit Authority was a must along with Hendrix's Electric Ladyland and Led Zeppelin's first LP. Whenever I hear these my mind gets transported right back to the days when I first heard them. For some reason, they still give me chills when I listen to them. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of mike pritchard Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:37 AM To: list Subject: epiphanies anyone? And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise with her music. I don't know how she sort of crept into my musical life but it certainly wasn't with a bang. I clearly remember hearing 'Space Oddity' and 'In the Court of the Crimson King' for the first time and thinking 'wow', and even more so with Chicago's 'Introduction', the day I fell in love with the sound of a trombone. In Britain in those days the only time we heard trombones was in the brass bands or the Dixieland jazz bands. Neither sounded good to me but when I heard 'Introduction' I couldn't believe how beautiful the sound was, nor in fact the mixture of rock instrumentation and a horn section. I suppose this was the moment I started to listen to jazz in a serious way. Getting back to Joni it seemed that she was always there. I had heard some stuff from the first few albums and saw her at the Isle of Wight and she was already a firm favourite at that time but I don't know when or how she became the most important songwriter and singer in my life. Some people here on the list have said that hearing 'Blue' opened the doors, but what about the others. Epiphanies anyone? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #27 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)