From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #23 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 12 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 023 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- PAULA COLE ON JONI [Cactustree78@aol.com] Joni in Mingus book ["kakki" ] Re: afterlife?(njc) [colin ] Re: Woody Allen (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Prepare, NJC PC ["mike pritchard" ] re Re: prepare ye - njc rc pc ["mike pritchard" ] Re: NJC Lucifer the music man NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: DJRD cover photo NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] RE: re Re: prepare ye - njc rc pc ["Victor Johnson" ] Truly, madly, deeply [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Prepare, NJC PC [colin ] Truly Madly Deeply njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] DVD info requested - njc and probably brits only [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: DVD info requested - njc and probably brits only [colin ] poconut ["Paul Castle" ] poconut ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: poconut (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Painting with Words and Music ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: prepare ye - njc rc pc [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: prepare NJC PC RC ["mike pritchard" ] Rachael Davis (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Funniest film lines (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: medley-little green ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Painting with Words and Music NJC [frasere@intergate.ca] [BBC] BBC Travelogue review [aerchak@aol.com] Re: Funniest film lines (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #22 -- 1976 tour [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RE: Funniest film lines (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #22 -- unable to complile a top-ten CDs list NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.c] Re: Niece? BS ALERT!, NJC ["James Anderson" ] Re: Funniest film lines (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] my best 2002 albums ["walterphil" ] Re: Funniest film lines (NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Funniest film lines (NJC) [colin ] music and reading (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Top cds of 2002 [Doug ] Re: Newest "Tori head" checks in from the petty wars, njc ["kakki" ] Re: Lutheran sighting [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: Lutheran rose njc [vince ] The Luther Rose njc 2nd attempt to send [vince ] Re: This JUST In!!!!!!!! NJC Now Michael Franks and Angela Bofill [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:01:37 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: PAULA COLE ON JONI One of my fave artists Paula Cole posted this message on her website thought you would all like it..peace, love and light to you all ***Kevin*** " Did any of you see the article in the NY Times about Joni Mitchell's new album "Travelogue"? I am now writing a letter of discontent to the editor. I can't believe the disrespect shown by that writer. Joni Mitchell has contributed so monumentally to the world of music. I believe in my heart that she will be leaving the business soon and she is leaving us with her own "Lady In Satin" (Billie Holiday) or "Live at Montreaux" (Miles Davis)....And, I think she has evolved into a brilliant painter. Painting is now her voice." -Paula Cole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:32:12 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Joni in Mingus book A few weeks ago at Borders I noticed a new book out by Sue Mingus, "Tonight at Noon: A Love Story," about her life with Charles Mingus. I looked through it for the Joni story and it is there, but only in passing and comprising a few pages. She is friendly to Joni but I got the impression that she regarded her as a young and fanciful girl breezing through on her visit with Charlie in Mexico. There is, however, a photo of Joni with Charlie, that is one of the most beautiful I've ever seen. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:57:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: afterlife?(njc) Victor Johnson wrote: > try supposing >that all there will be is one little room, something akin to a country >bath-house, with soot on the walls and spiders in every corner, and there's >your eternity for you. You know, I sometimes see it that way.' > There is a school of thought that suggests that the afterlife could be just that. Not quite as simple as that tho. The thinking is that we create our own afterlife according to the way we are, the way we think. And these conditions would change as we change. Jesus said that the kingdom of heaven is within us and that we are all gods. certainly my life experience has shown that heaven and hell are states of mind. If we survuve death, then it would seem logical that the conditons we find ourselves in would be fashioned by our minds, much like it is here, only more so because of the lack of physicality. I think that no matter how far away from the 'light' we may tarvel, the way backis never barred-neither here nor in the next life. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:06:14 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Woody Allen (NJC) In a message dated 11/01/2003 02:24:51 GMT Standard Time, moonlj@san.rr.com writes: << She says she wants to go off and help poor people, go help people with leprosy, live in a leper colony. In desperation, Woody says something along the lines of, "Leprosy! I love leprosy! Leprosy, cholera, I love all the major skin diseases ..." [...] he wakes up from being knocked unconscious, feels the back of his head where he got butted with a gun, and says, "No more Polish women!" >> I can zoom in just a little closer than Bob, Lindsay: this is *definitely* Bananas, although funnily enough it's one of the few Woody films I haven't seen. I am a big fan - has anyone else written so many treasurable one-liners? My favourite remains the line from Sleeper where he is being pressed to join the resistance against the totalitarian regime, and protests "But I'm not the heroic type - I was beaten up by Quakers." << We had to go to bed finally but we were reviewing lines while going to sleep. >> Aha! My girlfriend and I had one of these moments last week with a line from Living in Oblivion. It's a lovely little comedy about an indie film-maker and his trials and tribulations trying to get a film made. Some of my favourite "alternative" actors are in it, particularly Catherine Keener, Steve Buscemi and Kevin Corrigan. Anyway, there's a ludicrous dream sequence our Steve is trying to nail, and it isn't being helped by a rather pathetic smoke machine. Eventually he snaps, and this is what he comes out with: "And Bob, what the fuck is with that smoke, man? Whaddya got in there, two hamsters blowing smoke rings??" We were still laughing about that one hours later! Anyone else care to suggest their funniest lines from films? If so, can we place a moratorium on "Nobody's perfect"? :-) Azeem in London NP: Passion - Peter Gabriel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:20:59 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Prepare, NJC PC >>One thing I have always been confused by-is being Jewish a religion or a race? It seesm to me the latter, tho i have heard people deny this.<< Only one race on this earth, the human race. All other 'races' are social constructions, scientifically and morally invalid which have been used since forever to discriminate against other groups and frequently to eliminate or attempt to eliminate others. IMHO, of course. mike in bcn NP Joni. Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:33:14 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re Re: prepare ye - njc rc pc >> Ironically, it's our intelligence that draws us to religious belief. We can't stand the thought that when we die, we won't exist for all infinity. We can't absorb the non-existence of the 'I'. Yet we are intelligent enough as a species to understand these concepts (infinity, death, I) So we need stories to help us live what might otherwise seem terrifying, empty lives with nothing but infinite darkness ahead.<< who are you speaking for here Sarah? I'm confused. >> Ironically, it's our intelligence that draws us to religious belief.<< Or draws us away from it, in m(an)y case(s). >> We can't stand the thought that when we die, we won't exist for all infinity.<< Who is this 'we'? The idea that I won't exist for all eternity doesn't bother me in the slightest. Are we so arrogant that we believe we can live forever? And as an atheist what do you personally think will happen to you when you stop breathing? >> We can't absorb the non-existence of the 'I'.<< Who is this 'we'? >> So we need stories to help us live what might otherwise seem terrifying, empty lives with nothing but infinite darkness ahead.<< Who is this 'we'? mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:29:30 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Lucifer the music man NJC I always think of the line my former pastor (and now the Delmarva Lutheran synod bishop) always quotes and attributes to Martin Luther... "Why let the Devil have all the good tunes....." Fauchja NP: Corsicana Daily Sun - Billy Joe Shaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:31:29 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD cover photo NJC Lori, I was told that every photo on the DJRD cover was Joni...the kid, the nude, the guy... Fauchja ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 7:41:6 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: re Re: prepare ye - njc rc pc > who are you speaking for here Sarah? I'm confused. > Who is this 'we'? > Who is this 'we'? > mike Main Entry: we Pronunciation: 'wE Function: pronoun, plural in construction Etymology: Middle English, from Old English wE; akin to Old High German wir we, Sanskrit vayam Date: before 12th century 1 : I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you -- used as pronoun of the first person plural; compare I, OUR, OURS, US 2 : 1I -- used by sovereigns; used by writers to keep an impersonal character - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: RAIN (sjc) Hi all. Joni is one of my alltime inspirations. If there's a direct connection to my new album, it's her setting Yeats to music. Indirectly I feel indebted to her courage, inventiveness, verbal acuity and much more. THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is acoustic, jazz-rooted music with influence from India and Africa, and deriving from poets such as Mary Oliver, W S Merwin, Emily Dickinson, and Pablo Neruda. Do check it out! Clips on the website; available there and through CD Street. Happy new year! What do they call Santa's little helpers? Subordinate Clauses. Album blurb below. Tom Ross * FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE * Album of Global Jazz Songs Unveiled! THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is Tom Ross's long-awaited sophomore work following the critically acclaimed *Horse of Stone* album, which was sponsored by David Crosby. Like *Horse*, THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is jazz-based acoustic guitar songs by composer-performer Tom Ross. The influence from India and Africa is once again evident in the tones and rhythms, but the textures are leaner, and the debt is greater to poets such as Pablo Neruda (whose line prompted the title song). The lyrics are also based on the work of Emily Dickinson, W. S. Merwin, and George Herriman of the Krazy Kat comic strip. THE RAIN features reedman Charlie Keagle (also heard on *Horse of Stone*), Mike Migliozzi on drums, Josh Zucker on bass, and background vocalist Carin Gado. Ross is on vocals, guitar, fretless 12-string guitar, as well as sequencing and programming. The striking album is wide in its range of moods and topics. In "The Fox's Body," a Zen monk gives the wrong answer to a koan question and is turned into a fox; "The Smile in the Stone" tells of a mason on a medieval church who discovers his mystical ties to the stone; while "Who My Soul Loves" adapts sexy love-poetry from the Song of Solomon. Fans of *Horse of Stone* will find THE RAIN equally satisfying, while notably sparer, and marked by the view of an artist in middle life. Indian rhythms and vocal styling imbue many of the songs, with danceable grooves stemming from the African-American funk of Ross's jazz heritage. THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is a triumph of song that defies category, and a must-have for the discerning listener. Contact: Mijazi Music 623 Rankin Schenectady, NY 12308 OR CDStreet.com more info: http://www.tom.rossweb.com * Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:23:27 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Truly, madly, deeply My all time favourite film, "Truly, Madly, Deeply" is being shown on UK Channel 4 tonight at 10 pm. And, it has Joni content so watch or video it if you can! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:23:51 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Prepare, NJC PC mike pritchard wrote: >>>One thing I have always been confused by-is being Jewish a religion or a > race? It seesm to me the latter, tho i have heard people deny this.<< > > Only one race on this earth, the human race. All other 'races' are > social constructions, scientifically and morally invalid which have > been used since forever to discriminate against other groups and > frequently to eliminate or attempt to eliminate others. > of course. but that doesn't stop peoolle thinking of themselves, often proudly, as one race or another. I tend to view people as humans. > IMHO, of course. > > mike in bcn > > NP > > Joni. Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:24:27 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Truly Madly Deeply njc Hmmm, not sure I'd rate it that highly Jacky, mainly for the hopping scene, which I REALLY didn't like! Still, Juliet Stevenson and Alan Rickman are always very watchable - and Juliet gives good cry, doesn't she?? Anyway, following that film is one of my own faves from the last few years, Last Night, written and directed by Don McKellar. It opens with a few hours to the end of the world - yes, really, it's all going to end at midnight, the viewer is not told why but everyone knows it and there's not much argument about it. The film follows a number of people as they prepare for the end in very different ways. It's a brilliant film, funny, thought-provoking and very moving in places. Channel 4 at midnight, set the video! Azeem in London NP: Northampton v Biarritz (rugby union, that is) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:31:47 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: DVD info requested - njc and probably brits only Hi people, I've just invested in a DVD player, and am wondering where people in the UK get their DVDs. A couple of people have recommended buying on line, but the two sites I've looked at don't seem that competitive, compared to a little cheapo shop in Charing Cross Road I recently discovered. Can anyone suggest a really cheap place to buy DVDs in London, preferably not one of those dodgy stalls selling pirates, which offer you guarantees and then when you go back they've vanished... Thank you, Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:42:01 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: DVD info requested - njc and probably brits only AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: >Hi people, > >I've just invested in a DVD player, and am wondering where people in the UK >get their DVDs. > I got mine at tesco's 2 years ago. a wharfedale. It was single region but is now multiregion having found the crack on the net.i believe it was as imple as pressing 1234 on the remote. you can buy dvd players for under #100 now. > Can anyone suggest >a really cheap place to buy DVDs in London, > not really. most of ours we got from Virgin. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:47:1 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Last Night njc I saw "Last Night" when it was playing in the theaters a couple of years. I didn't enjoy it very much...it never really drew me in. What I do remember about that night though is walking into the theater about a half hour before the movie would start and hearing strains of Johnny Hartman and John Coltrane-they played the entire album which was a pleasant surprise. The only other time I remember really enjoying the music in the theater was when they were playing "Brown Skin" by India Arie before her debut album came out. Victor > Anyway, following that film is one of my own faves from the last few years, > Last Night, written and directed by Don McKellar. It opens with a few hours > to the end of the world - yes, really, it's all going to end at midnight, the > viewer is not told why but everyone knows it and there's not much argument > about it. The film follows a number of people as they prepare for the end in > very different ways. It's a brilliant film, funny, thought-provoking and > very moving in places. Channel 4 at midnight, set the video! > - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:26:02 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: poconut Funny what linking two names, like say "joni mitchell" + "rusty young" can unearth on an internet search. Having just heard a track on the radio from the first all new Poco album for 13 years - ['If Your Heart Needs a Hand' from their new "Running Horse" album, which has a real CSNY groove to it] and liking it a lot, I went searching to see if Rusty had ever played pedal steel for Joni (Sneaky Pete was the usual session player, wasn't he?) I came across these consecutive Q&As on the 'Ask Robert Hilburn' LA Times column in June last year http://www.calendarlive.com/cl-ask-hilburn062502,0,2805983.story >>>>>>>>>>> Q: Why is it that Joni Mitchell is often not included in lists of great songwriters and guitarists which typically include the likes of Bob Dylan, Springsteen, Tom Petty, etc.? Women in general seem to be left out, but Mitchell is a unique case (for a man or a woman) in terms of her artistry. --John Kendall, Los Angeles. [Robert Hilburn] "Excellent question John. You certainly will never get an argument from me about ranking Joni among the greatest and most influential singer-songwriters of the modern pop era. As a pure thinker and stylist, in fact, I'd put her on a level with Bob Dylan alone. She brings such sophistication and grace and poetry to her music and words. I've been delighted over the years to hear other artists speak so highly of her. She is a North American treasure. Q: I love the music of the band Poco, which was founded by Richie Furay and Jim Messina back in the late 60's. The band is still playing and are working on a new CD. Yes, members have come and gone, but steel guitarist Rusty Young is still in the group as is George Grantham, Paul Cotton and Jack Sundrud. In your opinion, why have they been left out of the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame? The Byrds are in as are The Eagles. Thank you, -- Andrew Rios, West Covina. [RH] I was a big fan of Poco in the '60s and I still enjoy some of those early records, but, in all honesty, I just don't think they are of Hall of Fame caliber. I think the Byrds and the Eagles--to mention the bands you cited--have a more enduring body of work. I'd also rank the Flying Burrito Brothers (thanks to the Gram Parsons connection) as a more valuable musical entry, one that is more deserving of a place in the Hall than Poco. The best thing about Poco wasn't so much the songwriting (which is something I prize in a band), but their musicianship. To me, the Eagles were a mix of the soulful songwriting of the Burrito and the professionalism and musicianship of Poco. Of the two traits, I'd always go with the soulful songwriting. > >>>>>>>> Anyone interested, and with an hour to spare, might enjoy listening to BBC Radio 2's Bob Harris interviewing Rusty Young (about the old days and the new album) - should be able to hear it all this week - until next Thursday at least - at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/country/ and click on the 'Bob Harris' link in the top right hand 'Listen Again' section. PaulC [who never knew he originally wrote 'Rose of Cimmaron' for Roy Rogers/Sons of the Pioneers] PS. there are some short sample MP3s from the new album on their official site @ www.poconut.com PPS Any one know what Sneaky Pete Kleinow's up to these days? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:42:21 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: poconut >Funny what linking two names, like say >"joni mitchell" + "rusty young" >can unearth on an internet search. joni mitchell + ethel merman pulled up this below: Her popularity as a recording star also prompted tours in 1972 and 1974, the latter with the five-piece rock band, L.A. Express. There was disappointment, however, when she appeared in outdoor arenas such as Wembly Stadium, London, the criticism being that it was impossible to concentrate on her lyrics. When she sang at the smaller acoustically excellent Avery Fisher Hall in New York, however, she was called folk songs Ethel Merman. Mel James http://collections.ic.gc.ca/heirloom_series/volume6/136-139.htm Victor in Ashelanta NP: Joni -"Refuge of the Roads" - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:28:21 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: poconut (njc) PaulC wrote: > Having just heard a track on the radio from > the first all new Poco album for 13 years - > ['If Your Heart Needs a Hand' from their > new "Running Horse" album, which has > a real CSNY groove to it] Thanks for the info - this is great news. I listened to the samples and really like their new songs. Sound a little like CPR, too. Richie Furay is a Christian minister here in SoCal now, but I've read that he still performs music in his church and I think he has shown up to sit in a few times with Poco in recent years. > PPS Any one know what Sneaky Pete Kleinow's > up to these days? He's a busy bee as always: http://www.sneakypetekleinow.com/ Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:43:58 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Painting with Words and Music 1. The mental image of Joni sitting there, dressed.... like that 2. The great tagline to the story: "Just look at them God-damned stars." Lama, who's not sure he believes every word of the tale but it does make a great tale. Oh, yeah, the band and the music on PwWaM are world-class too. Can't forget that! Bob said, >>>>>Definite agreement from me, Andrea! I bought the video when it came out, and now I have to upgrade to the DVD as the picture and sound is SO much better! It's worth it for Joni's knitting story alone! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:53:11 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Newest "Tori head" checks in from the petty wars, njc Wow, this chick Tori Amos is REALLY something. I bought "Boys For Pele" on vinyl (because piano sounds better on my turntable than on my cheezy CD player.) Wow. Then I found an out-of-print copy of the "Little Earthquakes" video. Wow again. Here stage persona is jaw-dropping. She appears to be living the story as she performs it, as if she's creating it in front of you. One problem though. Would one of the JMDL girls call me up and explain to me what "little earthquakes" means? ........... Slowly at first. :) Lama P.S. Yael, why didn't you tell me about Tori? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:54:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Painting with Words and Music In a message dated 1/11/2003 2:45:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > who's not sure he believes every word of the tale but it does make a great > tale. > Well, one should never let the truth get in the way of a great story! ;~) Among her MANY talents, Joni is an A #1 storyteller. Bob NP: Remy Shand, "rocksteady"...THANKS Stephen! I was expecting this to be more jazzy, but it is SOUL with a capital "S". Remy is Al Green, Marvin Gaye, Prince, and Seal rolled into one, and the dude is white! Gives hope to us blue-eyed soul singers! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:02:20 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Long good-bye, short hello (NJC) Hey, welcome back to the fold, Harper Lou! Congrats on the new musical project, I'm sure it's great. Bummer about cutting the ponytail. I think it should be a requirement for all men to have long hair! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:09:18 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: woody allen NJC >>We happened upon the middle of a Woody Allen movie last night and I'm wondering if one of the WA afficionados on the list would be able to tell me which one it was<< Bananas, for sure. mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:17:42 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: prepare ye - njc rc pc Mike, the "we" is the human race. By "our intelligence", I didn't mean that it's intelligent to believe in god. I meant that our self-consciousness, our ability to abstract and to understand concepts like "I", forever, infinity, means that we are able to understand (unlike mice, say) that, when we die, the "I" will cease to exist, and will never exist again. As human beings, we can't stand the thought of that. Everywhere in the world, in all societies, in all times, people have invented stories to ward off this fate - stories about one God, or many gods, and after-lives. If you personally don't fear death, you are lucky, but most do, I would say. I don't think it's arrogance that makes people believe they can live forever. I think it's fear, and an inability to absorb the end of the Self. The end of the Self and the end of everything - eternal nothingness. You know the solipsist saying: "when I die, the world dies." This sounds very arrogant, but really it just means: when I die, everything ceases to exist, for me. And that thought is terrifying for many people. As an atheist, I believe we cease to exist when we stop breathing. Sarah At 12:33 PM +0100 01/11/2003, mike pritchard wrote: >who are you speaking for here Sarah? I'm confused. > > >> Ironically, it's our intelligence that draws us to religious belief.<< > >Or draws us away from it, in m(an)y case(s). > > >> We can't stand the thought that when we die, we won't exist for >all infinity.<< > >Who is this 'we'? The idea that I won't exist for all eternity >doesn't bother me in the slightest. Are we so arrogant that we >believe we can live forever? And as an atheist what do you >personally think will happen to you when you stop breathing? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:37:08 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: prepare NJC PC RC >> Mike, you were saying that your atheism doesn't affect your stance on issues like Northern Ireland and the mid-east. It does affect mine, because I don't get drawn into the religious aspect, and both these disputes are based on religious disputes. When the Protestants in Northern Ireland go on their annual marches through the Catholic areas, I just think "morons!" But when they object to being tied to a country in which abortion is illegal, then I respect that fear. So the lack of religious outlook helps me (as I see it) to separate the legitimate grievances from the ones based on superstition and bigotry.<< Hi Sarah, Let me clarify/correct my statement and your misquoting of it. This is not nitpicking, I think it is a crucial nuance. I actually said my atheism was 'unrelated' to my political/religious views etc. I didn't say my atheism 'didn't affect' my stance on issues like the ME and the Six counties. I am sure that my atheism 'has some bearing' on my outlook on many things but, I believe, in a positive way. Being neither Catholic or Protestant I believe gives me an objectivity which I might not have if I were a member of one of these religious communities. There is a tendency to 'automatically' follow the party/religious line when living in such a polarised environment as Derry and Belfast. The same goes for being not Muslim/Jewish. This is not intended as a criticism of anyone, especially Laurent, but he will serve here as an example if he will allow me that privilege. I can well understand that living one's faith and sending one's children to a synagogue and instilling his faith in his children and seeing their lives threatened by extremist actions, 'terrorist actions' if you wish, can have a strong influence on one's political views, which is what I am trying to avoid. I repeat, I do not extrapolate from the above remark that Laurent is acting subjectively to his circumstances or is less objective than myself or that his views are less worthy than mine. I am just saying that I am not automatically obliged to fall into step with the 'I'm a Catholic therefore I want Home Rule for Ireland and I have the Queen of England' , or the equally ludicrous 'I'm a Protestant therefore I want Ulster to stay part of the UK and the Pope is a terrorist'. This is what I was trying to say and I hope this makes it clearer. Mike NP David Gray. A New Day at Midnight. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:37:54 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Rachael Davis (NJC) CD Baby delivered my copy of Rachael Davis' CD in today's mail, and I just heard the last note of the first listen through. I must say I have rarely heard a voice SO clear and beautiful! This is a wonderful CD with many diverse styles which showcases Rachael's ability to traverse through many different arenas. I can't wait to hear the live CD! Matt, thanks for the generous offer and for those of you that are hesitating- go for it! You won't be sorry. Trust the Mama Lion. Hugs, Ashara P.S. Hi Dolores! See, I *do* post sometimes! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:47:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Funniest film lines (NJC) In a message dated 1/11/2003 6:06:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, AzeemAK@aol.com writes: > Anyone else care to suggest their funniest lines from films? I'll toss in a couple: 1. Hard to pick just one from "Arthur" w/Dudley Moore, John Gielgud...but "may I wash your dick for you, sir" had me howling and crying with laughter. Of course, the way Gielgud says the line is 90% of the joke. 2. In Walt Disney's "Pinocchio", there's a scene where Pinocchio tells so many lies to the Blue Fairy consecutively that his nose not only grows, but branches out, sports a birds' nest, and eggs pop open! When the Blue Fairy tells to Pinocchio "Perhaps you haven't been telling the truth, Pinocchio...", Jiminy Cricket jumps in the bird's nest and exclaims: "PER-HAPS???" And it is so damn funny I laugh til I cry. Them's my two for now, and that leaves out Mel Brooks movies. Bob NP: Sophie Von Otter, "Baby Plays Around" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:56:22 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: medley-little green Little Green and The Circle Game are both in the same tuning, known as "open G". I can't remember how this particular medley goes, but I recall hearing a perfomance where Joni actually gives away the name of her daughter by singing "Kelly Green..." instead of "little green". Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:58:54 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Painting with Words and Music NJC Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: " NP: Remy Shand, "rocksteady"...THANKS Stephen! I was expecting this to be more jazzy, but it is SOUL with a capital "S". Remy is Al Green, Marvin Gaye, Prince, and Seal rolled into one, and the dude is white! Gives hope to us blue-eyed soul singers! ;~)" Not only white, but about 21 years old from Winnipeg, Manitoba- and he wrote all the songs and plays every instrument on the CD. Quite a talent, I'd say! Enjoy, Bob! Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:58:46 GMT From: aerchak@aol.com Subject: [BBC] BBC Travelogue review http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classicpop/reviews/jonimitchell_travelogue.shtml Don't know if we've discussed this one yet. Andrea - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent to you using the "Email a friend" facility on the BBC's WWW site, http://www.bbc.co.uk/. If you wish to complain about this email, please forward it in its entirety to webmaster@bbc.co.uk. The BBC is not responsible for the content of this email, and anything said in this email does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:08:33 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Funniest film lines (NJC) Azeem wrote: > Anyone else care to suggest their funniest lines from films? I'm sure I could think of a LOT, since I usually prefer comedies over other movies, but one that springs to mind is from Ghostbusters 2. Bill Murray and Sigourney Weaver are in his apartment, and she's about to put her baby to bed for the night: SW: I better put him down. BM: Can I do it? SW (very surprised): Sure! BM (poking the baby gently in the chest): You're short, your belly-button sticks out too far, and you're a terrible burden on your poor mother. And although it's not a movie, there's my favourite lines from AbFab: Edina: We're going to New York. Saffy: I thought you couldn't fly - you've got a drug conviction? Eddy: It's not a conviction! Patsy: No, just a very firm belief. And while I'm on a roll, again it's not a movie, but the French and Saunders Titanic parody has some VERY funny lines, including the scene where Jack (Dawn French) and Rose (Jennifer Saunders) are in the water. Rose climbs on a large piece of wood (as in the original movie) and Jack says, "Are you sure there's no room on there for me?" Rose replies, "No, it's a single......." Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:09:53 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #22 -- 1976 tour I only saw Joni live once and that was in 1976 but i am so glad that I did. I did not realize at the time that it would probably be the only time in my life that I would ever see her perform. Anyway, I've been thinking about what to write about that concert. I wish I had it all stored right in my head, but you know it was (I just did the math) 27 years ago, so it's not a whole video, just images or moments that fit into a larger scenario. Anyway, I do remember being really close. This is when great artists/musicians could actually play for people. I remember being awestricken. I remember Joni being very thin and noticeing that, thinking she was too thin. I know she wore black pants. I clearly her remember sitting at the piano. And I remember her introducing and performing "Coyote" as a new song. Andrea I saw Joni perform on that same tour. I think Joni wore the same, or similar, black slacks at the show I attended, in January or February I think at the University of Cincinnati Fieldhouse (a building now gone, I think). The place was over-sold (it's amazing the fire marshall didn't shut the show down, people were sitting in the aisles) and there was a lot of controversy about the promoter overselling the house and perhaps moving the show to a larger venue. Anyway, Joni didn't say a word that night, other than asking the audience something like "So, are you guys a little crazy?" as a way of introducing Twisted. She wore a feather boa while doing Raised on Robbery. She laughed a little while singing "the wind rushed around in the dirty town" in For Free, perhaps a comment on how she viewed Cincinnati. She was indeed very thin. I remember she announced some new material and then sang a long medley of Coyote and DJRD (which sounded very similar to each other at that time, the final arrangements hadn't been worked out, and DJRD lacked Jaco's incredible bass performance). Anyway, I remember thinking Joni seemed rather distant and vulnerable, while being kind of "icy." But I loved that, it added to the Siquomb mystique. During that tour, Rolling Stone published a scathingly negative concert review that included a very awful photo of Joni looking very skeletal and wraith-like. Anyway, I was very young and impressionable at the time (still in high school) and I think it was my first concert. Obviously, it had quite an impact... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:10:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Funniest film lines (NJC) this one is so stupid and so indelicate but it kills me: the waitress in porky's paging mike hunt in the crowded bar: "does anybody know mike hunt? where is mike hunt? have you seen mike hunt?" cloris leachman in young frankestein screaming, " YES! YES! SAY IT! he was my ... BOYFRIEND!!!" and then there was one that colin once posted about an old english lady saying, "when people see my lovely little pussy they just have to smile" or something like that. what was it colin? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:13:45 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #22 -- unable to complile a top-ten CDs list NJC It just occurred to me that only bought one CD in 2002 and that was Travelogue! Good grief, am I really that poor?? You're not the only one. I would be unable to compile a top ten CD list for the year because I bought only T'log and one or two others. I think the culprit is television -- and the internet. They've pushed music and reading out of my life. Sad but true. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:22:40 -0500 From: "James Anderson" Subject: Re: Niece? BS ALERT!, NJC Well, I guess now that Joan has hinted around about her niece, it's okay to tell the tale. I'm her long-lost, older brother, James Anderson. When our parents met, they didn't have much of an income so when I came along, well, they had to find safe shelter for me until they were able to support a family. I suppose that my sister Joan, (Joni to all of you), in some small way, struck out into the world in order to "find" metaphorically what she was always denied: her own flesh-and-blood brother. Now that we've vowed to stay in touch, she's become acquainted with my daughter Broom Hilda, whom I gave up for adoption when I was an sexually active 12-year-old physics major at Harvard, inventing semiconductors in 1952. Whew! What a relief to finally be able to share. James Anderson P.S. In the United States, the term "BS" is short for bullshit and is used as a local expression to mean that someone is lying. Bryan asked, >>>>>> BRUSHES WITH FAME, CHAPTER IV: How'd we miss this one? We're at an opening for Joni Mitchell's paintings, and we sashay up to the original Lady of the Canyon and ask her to sign a copy of the art catalog to our then newborn daughter Hannah. Joni goes, "I've got a new niece named Hannah!' Oh, the times we've had! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:41:34 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Funniest film lines (NJC) In a message dated 1/11/03 3:48:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Them's my two for now, and that leaves out Mel Brooks movies. Bob, you can't leave out Mel Brooks movies. There are soooooo many, and "Young Frankenstein" is one of my all time favorites. I just love the scene where Madeline Kahn sleeps with the monster for the first time. She says to Peter Boyle, "So tell me, is everything about you oversized????.......then starts singing "OOOOOHHHHH sweet mystery of life at last I've found you" There's a zillion more good lines from that movie, but I got to run. "Taffeta Darling"........."No Tongues" :P Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: my best 2002 albums heathen-bowie (always good-always suprising and innovative) halos and horns-dolly parton (in my opinion she deserves her own discussion list) don't worry about me-joey ramone (so sad he's gone-not a bad cut on this cd) frantic-bryan ferry (standards done bryan style and a hell of lot better than that rod stewart embarrassment) a cellarful of motown-various artists (all unreleased and all A-1 motown-it sounds like a greatest hits-probably my favorite cd of the year) 3 re-issues-laura nyro (she's my favorite-the xtra trax and demos are worth the price) at the bbc-the jam (so under rated-so good) pet shop boys-release (yes they're still kickin) rosemary clooney-the last concert (boy do i miss her already) and i just wanna say i believe in God and Jesus but i don't believe it is the only way (allah and buddah et al. are A-ok too, i'm sure) and i feel sorry for peple that don't believe in anything but i can't stand arm twisters and bible thumpers that try to convert you-- you gotta discover it on your own religion should be as private and as personal as your sexual preference- love walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:18:22 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Funniest film lines (NJC) I'm bad at remembering movie lines, but have never been so convulsed and collapsed in laughter as when I saw "Young Frankenstein." I was literally falling out of my seat onto the floor of the movie theater. Thanks for recalling some of the lines, Jimmy and Wally. hehehe ;-) The Gielgud line in "Arthur" also is an all-time classic. With that entire movie, the brilliance was in the delivery and timing more than the actual lines. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:12:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Funniest film lines (NJC) > and then there was one that colin once posted about an old english lady >saying, "when people see my lovely little pussy they just have to smile" or >something like that. what was it colin? > >wallyK > I have no idea. the old woman in Are You being Served(dreadful) use dot go on about her pussy all the timew tho. Nothing to do with films but there is a road in Kingston Upon Thames named: Anne Boleyn's Walk (cul-de-sac) I have always found that funny. Oh and Goldie Hawn to her mother in law when m-i-l asked what her sons last words were:(he died while they were making love) 'i'm coming'. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:22:27 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: music and reading (NJC) > culprit is television -- and the internet. They've pushed music and reading > out of my life. Sad but true. I've done pretty well this year without television(not that I've had much of a choice as my television only picks up ABC) though lately I've been scrambling to find places to watch the playoffs(go Tampa and go Atlanta-unless they are playing each other then go Tampa!) and I go to the Westville pub on Sundays to watch the Simpsons, come hell or highwater. Otherwise there's not really anything I want to watch. IMO, all these reality shows that are becoming more and more outlandish (and stupider) have led to the deterioration of good programming on television. On my upcoming cd there will actually be a song called "Real World" I wrote after I stopped watching any television and realized that I didn't really miss it much. as for favorite cd's of 2002: Beck- Sea Change Norah Jones- Come Away With Me James Taylor- October Road Tom Waits- Alice India Arie- Voyage to India and speaking of reading I read "Crime and Punishment" yesterday in one day. I suppose it is somewhat of a long book but I got so wrapped up in the story I lost any sense of time. I've just started reading more lately, something I haven't done for a long time and it feels so good. Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:30:19 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Top cds of 2002 Two of my favorite artists that I haven't seen mentioned by anyone else: 1. Oh Susanna "Sleepy Little Sailor" and "Johnstown" 2. Dido "No Angel" Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:42:37 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Newest "Tori head" checks in from the petty wars, njc Lama asked: > Would one of the JMDL girls call me up and explain to me what "little earthquakes" means? Hopefully, aftershocks ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:06:32 -0500 From: vince Subject: Lutheran sighting Is that ELCA synod, in Delaware Maryland, Virginia? We have more than one Lutheran on here? Please tell me more.... Vince Fauchja@aol.com wrote: > I always think of the line my former pastor (and now the Delmarva > Lutheran synod bishop) always quotes and attributes to Martin Luther... > > "Why let the Devil have all the good tunes....." > > Fauchja > > NP: Corsicana Daily Sun - Billy Joe Shaver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:13:18 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Lutheran sighting yes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:17:13 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Lutheran rose njc Let me know if it doesn't come through ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:23:40 -0500 From: vince Subject: The Luther Rose njc 2nd attempt to send http://www.ourredeemerlcms.org/luthcoat.htm Luther's Rose The Luther Rose Dr. Martin Luthers Coat of Arms Letter to Lazarus Spengler  July 8, 1530 From Dr. Martin Luther at Coburg Castle Grace and peace in Christ! Honorable, kind, dear Sir and Friend! Since you ask whether my seal has come out correctly, I shall answer most amiably and tell you of those thoughts which now come to my mind about my seal as a symbol of my theology. There is first to be a cross, black and placed in a heart, which should be of its natural color [red], so that I myself would be reminded that faith in the Crucified saves us. For if one believes from the heart he will be justified. Even though it is a black cross, which mortifies and which also should hurt us, yet it leaves the heart in its natural color and does not ruin nature; that is, the cross does not kill but keeps man alive. For the just man lives by faith, but by faith in the Crucified One. Such a heart is to be in the midst of a white rose, to symbolize that faith gives joy, comfort, and peace; in a word it places the believer into a white joyful rose; for this faith does not give peace and joy as the world gives and, therefore, the rose is to be white and not red, for white is the color of the spirits and of all the angels. Such a rose is to be in a sky-blue field, symbolizing that such joy in the Spirit and in faith is a beginning of the future heavenly joy; it is already a part of faith, and is grasped through hope, even though not yet manifest. And around this field is a golden ring, symbolizing that in heaven such blessedness lasts forever and has no end, and in addition is precious beyond all joy and goods, just as gold is the most valuable and precious metal. May Christ, our dear Lord, be with your spirit until the life to come. Amen. From the wilderness Grubok, July 8, 1530. (Grubok is Coburg spelled backwards.) Luthers Works, American Edition, Volume 49, pp. 356-359 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:03:13 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: This JUST In!!!!!!!! NJC Now Michael Franks and Angela Bofill >> I am a HUGE Angela Bofill fan and haven't seen her in a long while. >> Pazfest lives!!!!!!!! >> > > and I'm a HUGE Michael Franks fan. Mikey, have Freda get my room ready > :~) I am a big fan of both! Except for his (alleged) live album in Australia, I have all of Michael Franks' albums. His acquired taste voice, his literate songwriting (that dips once too occasionally towards painting/painters) and his rich musical pallette are what sets him apart from others, in my eyes. I love all his albums (even the sonically abrasive "Skin Dive"). His songs were covered by anyone from Venezuelan-born Laura Fygi to French chanteuse Clementine. Angela Bofill is really big in the Philippines in the 80s at the height of her popularity (and in evidence in such GRP-produced albums). So when she came back 8 years later, people went to her concert in droves and were quite surprised to see her figure balloon to almost late-1950s-era Ella Fitzgerald. The concert promo bills used her old picture with a more slender figure. But when she opened her mouth to sing, she, like the great Polish contralto Ewa Podles, outranked Venus in personifing beauty. Even if she is no longer big in commercial sales, she has a cult following in the Philippines via her hit songs "Time To Say Goodbye," "Break it to Me Gently," "You Should Know By Now," and my favorite "Rainbow Child". Glad to see them in twin bills in New Orleans, esp. Angela Bofill. Joseph in Manila (delurking) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:14:26 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: RE: defending your life NJC let me join a chorus of approval for DEFENDING YOUR LIFE. i love this movie, too... not so much on the acting of meryl streep (i think she played herself in this film -- an all-capable mother with no accents) but of a slightly facetious way of approximating what happens when we all (believers and non-believers) face judgement day? love that part where meryl is on best terms with her "prosecutors" while albert brooks had the sternest ones (lee grant and rip torn, i think). joseph in manila (was it streisand's "something's coming" version that was the music when albert brooks met his demise in the film?) > i love it too! best scene? streep eating spaghetti without a trace of > guilt because now she'll never grow fat! > wallyK, still alive hence growing fat ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #23 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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