From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #14 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 014 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC [Randy Remote ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #12 new BYT [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Isolatonism pc njc ["kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #13 -- cover image [BRYAN8847@aol.com] re: prepare - njc - rc [=?iso-8859-1?q?Joseph=20Francis?= ] Fw: pigs (njc) ["kasey simpson" ] Today in History: January 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: January 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] the Glass Engine url ["Mark Connely" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 18:56:23 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC I can't say top anything, since there are quite a few releases I haven't heard. Here are a few things I liked in 2002 George Harrison-Brainwashed- George's final album was finished by his son Dhani and Jeff Lynne. Lots of sublime moments here. "Pisces Fish", and the lovely instrumental "Matwa Blues" to name a couple Norah Jones-Come Away With Me- While most of the material does not match the awesome "Don't Know Why", the understated easy pace, Arif Mardin's sparse production, and Jones' lovely voice are a breath of fresh air on the charts No Doubt-Rock Steady-technically released in Dec 2001, it was spinnin' in '02. Best band in America? Tom Petty-The Last DJ- not a 100% success, but there are some solid songs on this concept album blasting the music biz. Best band in America? Sheryl Crow- C'mon, C'mon - I'm coming! Rolling Stones- 40 Licks-This greatest hits collection only features 4 new tunes. I thought Keith Richard's ravaged vocal against solo piano on "Losing My Touch" was awesome. My pal Bob thought it sucked, so there you are. Joni Mitchell-Travelogue-Surprised? A Joni album is always welcome. There are a handful of magic moments that make up for the overblown orchestral indulgences of arranger Vince Mendoza, and Joni's own declining vocals. Pink-Mizunderstood-Producer and ex 4 Non Blonde Linda Perry keeps it fun and energetic. Pretenders-Loose Screw- A solid if unspectacular album. Crissy coasting is better than most artists at full throttle. Johnny Cash-American IV-the Man Comes Around- OK, all I've heard is his duet with Fiona Apple on "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" I'll pick it up on ebay or something. Cash's voice, broken but soulful, is haunting. Best shows McCartney in Oakland Yes at Clear Lake No Doubt/Garbage/Distillers in San Jose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:07:34 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #12 new BYT I feel really embarassed now cause I just found out it's the Counting Crows version - and it's Radio 2's single of the week. I think I recall some people saying they liked it, I guess I really didn't if I thought it sounded like Ronan Keating I heard the Crows' BYT a couple of times and it's not bad - though the inclusion of Vanessa whoever's shu-bob-bop doesn't quite gel with the what's his name's lead vocal (sorry, that's the best I can do). As with all (nearly) Joni covers, I hope it succeeds. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:15:47 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Isolatonism pc njc Hi Jerry, you wrote: > Interestingly, that is a conservative, not liberal, axiom. I've always regarded it as a somewhat tradtional/historical American axiom. The founders of the country philosophically were not keen on "foreign involvements." But it can also be considered conservative in the sense that it is a sort of traditionally cultural American bent. Historically, we had to be dragged into most wars. However, I only put forth the isolationist feeling among myself and my friends as just a knee-jerk reaction to the America bashers and not as a consistent ideology. Some get to the point where they hear so much that other countries want the U.S. to butt out and then they blame the U.S. for all their troubles, that it's kind of a natural reaction to say, "O.K. let's leave them all alone, then." >One of the loudest voices opposing our involvement in Iraq is Pat Buchanan. He can hardly be > considered a "lefty." I consider Buchanan a complete statist idealogue and that is why he has always disturbed and turned me off. I think he lives on another planet sometimes! > The traditional Isolationists in American History have been conservative. That is true - nearly all the engagements of Americans in the wars of the 20th century were initiated by Liberals, not Republicans. But recall that Churchill was a Conservative, too. > Even to the point of accusing President Roosevelt of orchestrating the attack on Pearl Harbor to get us into > World War Two. I have heard the stories that he knew of intelligence before the attack and did nothing to avert it but I don't pass much judgment on that. In the case of WWII I firmly believe it was right for Americans to participate. Interestingly I happened to read an article by Christopher Hitchens today where he accused Churchill of making deals with the Japanese and Germans to attack the U.S. so that the U.S. would have to become involved. Kind of wild. >That said, there is a difference between being Anti-war and Isolationism. What do you think it is? I think both stances are concerned with wanting peace and self-preservation and not aggravating situations. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:17:19 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #13 -- cover image I> Is there a good quality scan of the Travelogue cover out there? I'd > like to use the self-portrait as my desktop. The jpg on the Nonesuch > site isn't of great quality. Private replies OK! > I don't know what kind of quality you need, but try Amazon.com. You can click on and save any image they have. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:45:52 +1300 (NZDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Joseph=20Francis?= Subject: re: prepare - njc - rc Anne wrote - > Do you > really honestly believe the story of Jesus Christ being > God? Yes I do believe that Jesus Christ is God. Not only does the Bible mention Him (believe it or not as you will) but so do ancient scholars of the day, Josephus - - a JEWISH scholar - - --snip-- Perhaps the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," one relevant portion declares: About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared.{17} And Edwin Yamauchi informs us that "few scholars have questioned" that Josephus actually penned this passage Other early writers also mention Jesus, including Roman historial Tacitus (64 A.D), Pliny the Younger (Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor, AD 112), and Jesus is mentioned in the Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled between approximately A.D. 70-500. - --snip-- There is no question the Jesus existed and performed miracles and (to a lot of people) died and rose again. Also, the earliest existing documents concerning Roman history were found 900 years (almost 1 whole millennium!!) after the events happened, and only 20 original copies exist. Yet, how is it that we all believe without question that Roman Historical literature (Julius Caesar etc) IS the factual Truth? Consider then that the Bible manuscripts date from only 30 -150 years after they happened, and that more than 30 000 original manuscripts exist!! By comparison then, Roman History becomes a mere 'fairy tale' when compared to the Bible for authenticity, accuracy and integrity. The late Professor FF Bruce was one of the worlds foremost Textual History critics (and a non-Christian) at the time that he said: The interval then between the dates of original composition and the earliest extant evidence becomes so small as to be in fact negligible, especially when compared to the dates of academically accepted Historical documents such as those detailing Roman History. The last foundation for any doubt that the scripts of the Old and New Testaments have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed. Both the authenticity and the general integrity of these works may now be finally established and proved, probably to be the most authentic historical documents known to man. !! Anyway, I believe not just because of history, but because of things I have seen also - prayers answered etc. colin wrote - >I ahve no problem with people believing whatever gets >them thru but to >use such a belief to bamboozle people, indeed to kill >people, and claim >it is the Truth is far from Godly. I do not believe that everything Christians have done has been good - Crusades etc, but then, men aren't perfect. God is. Men make mistakes, they do things "in the name of Christ" which he would never approve of. But if I wasn't a Christian, where else would I go? And what do you mean by "bamboozle people"? Christians are taught to love God and their neighbour as it is written in the Bible. I do not see any bamboozling in that. Let's just say for a moment that I am an unbeliever, and I die but find out that The Bible and everything in it is true. I would have lost SO MUCH by not following it on earth. Having the creator of the universe there to help me, someone who loves me that I can talk to, and who talks back to me (and he does talk to us in many ways - you'd be surprised). Now, what if I die, and I find out there is no heaven? That the Bible isn't true? What have I lost? Nothing, I think. Following the teachings of the Bible and doing good to people would only have enriched my life, anyway. I believe it is true, however. You only have to look around at creation. Everyone likes to point out the bad things that Christians and the Church do, but no one points out the good things. The post by the Bishop about Israel reminded me of something. A LOT of people complain that the Pope did nothing to help the Jews in WWII. The fact is that the Vatican saved between 740,000 and 860,000 Jews from extermination. The Pope used the assetts of the Vatican to ransom Jews from the Nazis and ran an extensive network of hideouts. After the war, the World Jewish Congress made a large cash gift to the Vatican in thanks. Moshe Sharrett, former Foreign Affairs Minister and Prime Minister of Israel went to see Pius XII "to thank the Catholic CHurch for what it did to save the Jews in all parts of the world". Rabbi Herzog, of Jerusalem, sent a special blessing to the Pope "for his lifesaving efforts of behalf of the Jews during the Nazi occupation of Italy". When Pius XII died, Golda Meir wrote: "During the Nazi terror, when our people were subjected to a terrible matyrdom, the Pope's voice was raised to condemn the persecutors and to offer mercy to their victims. We mourn over the death of a great server of peace." Regarding Laurents reprinted article "Stiff Right Jab: Time and Terror", that sounds like propaganda to me. FOr some reason, the media is all against Israel. They'll take any shot at them they can get. We hear all about the wrongs Israel has done, but hardly anything bad that Palestine does. I have noticed it on the evening news. You see atrocities committed by Palestine only in short snippets in the newspaper, and they aren't mentioned at all on TV. The media likes to spin it. I'm sure things would be a LOT better is the arabs stopped sending suicide bombers in every couple of days. Maybe I am just naive. Israel HAD to do something though. Storming Yasser Arafat's compound, maybe they thought they could end all the horror. I dunno.... All I know is, it takes TWO to tango. But, to me, I can't see how Israel defending themselves is wrong - they are the defender. Palestine is the attacker - and a vicoius one at that. Maybe just my naive view again. Sorry for the long post, Joseph. http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 00:03:15 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: neil finn NJC > > So far 2003 is shaping up to be a great year for music. Shawn Colvin is > > playing here next month, and my dear, dear, darling Neil Finn (did I > > mention supremely talented?) is coming back to town in March. i'm SO excited about neil finn's tour - i have a ticket to see him in detroit feb 4th. hooray. all 2001 jonifest goers know that i'm really into crowded house, but i was less thrilled about neil's solo projects 'til i saw him play LA at a benefit show with lucinda williams and aimee mann. i went much more excited about lucinda and aimee (though also about neil) but left feeling like his performance blew theirs out of the water. i wish i could go to a show like that every night - three of my favorites. hugs, yael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 01:02:12 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: pigs (njc) This is so funny! a month or so ago my brother-in-law and I were having a religious discussion on homosexuality. Of course him being the good Catholic he is (18 siblings) the bible says it's wrong so it's wrong. You should have seen his face when I told him having sex with my sister was wrong.....he had a vasectomy, can't procreate. Kasey <> JimmyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 02:21:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 9 1968: Joni performs at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 02:21:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 9 On January 9 the following item was published: 1971: "Contemporary Songwriters: No. 4 Joni Mitchell" - Sounds (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=341 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:50:14 -0800 From: "Mark Connely" Subject: the Glass Engine url This is great! Glass Engine http://www.philipglass.com/glassengine/ Composer Philip Glass is best know for reviving opera, contributing works to the minimalist movement, and composing some of the more haunting works in this century. Through dedicated research, IBM has developed an engine designed to analyze and play sixty compositions from the huge body of Glass's work, with a unique playback engine that categorizes music through a series of relationships and emotions in groups of sliding bars. By moving the bars on the page, you can find types of selections you'd like to hear. Currently the plugin only works with IE. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #14 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)