From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #6 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 006 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Orleans (again, so soon)? [Michael Paz ] The first to make "world music"? ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Stryngs - sample tracks on web (finally) (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: As the weekend turns (Covers Giveaway reminder) NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: As the weekend turns (Covers Giveaway reminder) NJC ["Mary E. Pitassi] Re: Stryngs (njc) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni & Leonard - Suzanne and the Wizard ["michael o'malley" ] re: NYT review of Travelogue ["c Karma" ] Re: NY Times review of Travelogue [FredNow@aol.com] Fw: Senator John Edwards/U.S. Politics NJC ["kasey simpson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:54:22 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Orleans (again, so soon)? Welcome Lori. It will be great to see you. Let's plan an official mini JoniFest for that weekend. I believe we can keep you up all night for you to crawl to the race on time. I have plans with Freda and the kids for Feb 14 (we are going to the Cirque du Soliel show), but we can do something on the 15th. All interested parties please contact me privately and we can plan something. YaY another mini fest. Love Paz on 1/3/03 11:29 AM, Lori Fye at lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com wrote: > Hope you'll excuse the omission of the njc tag ... > > First, I extend my heartfelt thanks to everyone from this list who has > contributed to fight HIV and AIDS in the Washington DC area! The > fabulous, generous JMDL family has donated $735!! > > And now ... I want to invite everyone to ... > > New Orleans! (Yes, one more time - Paz, do you think you can stand > it??) > > In about 6 weeks, I'll be there to run the Mardi Gras Marathon > (http://www.mardigrasmarathon.com). Several listers have expressed an > interest in meeting up to share hugs and hurricanes. > > I'll be arriving Feb 13 and departing Feb 18. The marathon will start > at 7 am on Sunday, Feb 16. > > See you there? > > Lori, > just $10 away from four grand! > > ~ > http://lrfye.lunarpages.com > > http://www.aidsmarathon.com > ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:04:10 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Stryngs - sample tracks on web (finally) (NJC) Great news Chris! Glad to hear it. Could not get at the samples for some reason. I will try from the office PC as usually one or the other works for me. Best of luck with the project and can't wait to order my copy. Peace Michael (who still thinks you have the best BOTTOM ( I ) on the list!!!!) on 1/3/03 11:55 AM, Chris Marshall at chris@hatstand.org wrote: > To that end, I've put sample fragments of four tracks > up on our web site, http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:07:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Missing you all-SJC HI Sherelle! Great to hear from you. Hope all is going well with you now. Best of luck on the new recordings. Look forward to playing with you again this year at a JoniFest near you. I have listened to the tracks you sang with me at Jonifest 2002 often and it still gives me goosebumps (ALWAYS WILL!!!) Let's do it again. Mt best to Rob and you. Love Paz on 1/4/03 2:28 PM, RobSher50@aol.com at RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > Greetings to everyone at JMDL! > > I was trying to catch up with all of the digests before writing to you, but > alas, I've only made it through mid-December. My heart was too full with the > desire to say hello to this wonderful group of friends and to let you know > that I missed you all terribly. > > At the time of the last Jonifest, I was grappling with the beginning of some > deep personal issues, but seeing all of the Jonilistas was such an > encouragement to both Rob and myself. He thought you were the greatest people > he'd ever met, and he really wants to come back to Jonifest 2003. > > I love you all! > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:58:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The first to make "world music"? thanks for putting into words what i have always felt was so weird about this genre ..if anyone should claim to be the first to make 'world music', i think it would be those cultures who originated the music themselves, not the usa/euro artists who incorporated it into their music... fre >>Exactly. The phrase "world music" is meaningless ... it's an ethnocentric marketing designation connoting music from everywhere else on Earth other than the dominant USA/Euro culture<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:08:54 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Stryngs - sample tracks on web (finally) (NJC) On Monday, Jan 6, 2003, at 00:04 Europe/London, Michael Paz wrote: > Michael (who still thinks you have the best BOTTOM ( I ) on the > list!!!!) I'm so glad that at least one person thinks so. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "The hearth rug of joy has been yanked from beneath my feet, and as the cress seeds of self doubt germinate in the beer-sodden student carpet of my mind, I lay my face gently atop the threadbare pillow of despair." (Inspired by Douglas Adams book titles, and, well, other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:07:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: As the weekend turns (Covers Giveaway reminder) NJC In a message dated 1/5/2003 12:45:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > So what am I, Bob--chopped liver?? HUH?? Um...no, you're a nice lady who lives in Madison, WI. I may not be a geographical genius, but I DO know that WI is NOT part of Italy. Nice try though! :~) Bob NP: Green Day, "When I Come Around" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: world music see Worlds of Music, ed. Titon for a view c. 1986. Of course people borrow. Eliot: Amateurs borrow, professionals steal. There's good in both, but the latter has a better chance of satisfying, even as Dizzy took the Cuban influence as his homework. A pro. FWIW i'd call my 1st crosscultural piece 'New Mohanam Varnam', stemming from the South Indian vocal group I was in at Wesleyan, 1963. I'm not crazy about JM's crosscultural efforts. They are dilettante and lazy. It could be the public eye has occasioned this misfortune, because her painting, shielded from this glare, seems to show discipline, a sense of history, and a wish to improve. TR Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:14:17 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: As the weekend turns (Covers Giveaway reminder) NJC Glad you made it home safe! I had not heard from you since you were here. Happy New Year Paz on 1/5/03 9:44 AM, Mary E. Pitassi at blckcrow@chorus.net wrote: > That JoniGuy in South Carolina wrote: > > "As of this writing NO Italians have guessed, though I've had one > "pseudo-Italian" try to pull a scam on me! :~) [. . . ] > > So what am I, Bob--chopped liver?? HUH?? > > Mary P., > Just another hyphenated American--er, make that "UnitedStatesian"--after all. > ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:08:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NY Time Review of T'log it's one thing not to like a record but this guy is pretty cruel... it is hard to believe him as a long time admirer of joni when he says this: "That said, restless experimentation also suggests a quality of unwelcome self-indulgence that has always marked her music and her personality. When one confronts the really naove paintings that proliferate in the lavish booklet with which these two CD's are packaged - let alone the rudimentary "multi-media content" on the one "enhanced audio CD" - one has to wonder whether Ms. Mitchell has slid too far into her own world. There is usually some kind of healthy link between creator and public, or at least imagined public, a link that sustains even the most private artists and helps dampen the temptation toward vanity projects like "Travelogue." & for someone who claims to know her work, you'd think he'd remember that joni likes to include her artwork on her albums...& as to what the heck he means about a healthy link between the creator & public, well that is one of the most idiotic ideas i've ever read in a review! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:15:43 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: Re: As the weekend turns (Covers Giveaway reminder) NJC Bob: Once Italian (either directly, or by descent), always Italian! That's what I say. But hope you do get someone willing to play who actually *lives within the boundaries of Italy*! Mary P., bemoaning the Green Bay Packers' loss last night, but ecstatic that the Pittsburgh Steelers, the team I grew up rooting for, are still in the playoffs. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:36:49 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Stryngs (njc) Great downloads, but left me desperately wanting MORE!!!!!!!!! I had the distinct privilege of hearing Stryngs in Chris' living room this past summer, and they are WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for the CD release! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:03:17 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni & Leonard - Suzanne and the Wizard I don't know if this has been discussed here before, but listening to a bootleg recording of Joni at the White Swan in Leicester, England, dated 1967, I was struck by the blatant similarities between her unreleased song `'Wizard of Is` and Cohen's `Suzanne`` released in 1968 on his album `The Songs of Leonard Cohen``. We know Joni & Leonard spent time together at folk festivals in Newport and Mariposa, and they were also photographed together in Greece in 1967. By many accounts, they were quite an item and she credits him as being a mentor of sorts (O'Brien p.62). I have always thought that A Case of You, written during this period, was written for him. However, I suspect that Wizard followed Cohen's Suzanne, because Cohen released his song commercially and Joni never released Wizard. But do we know if Wizard was written in response to Suzanne, or vice-versa? Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:44:27 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #5glasses- njc As far as not seeing up close-it happened to me a few years back after a life of great eyesight. I see perfect far away so I went with wearing one contact.Doesn't work with everyone but I love it and only wear glasses in the evening to give my eyes a break. Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 02:41:00 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Stryngs - more sample tracks (NJC) Thanks to all who've visited the site so far and said such nice things about the teaser tracks we've put up there. If you liked what you heard, and care for another visit chez http://www.stryngs.com I've put three more track fragments up:- Bobblehats And Beer Frank's Song Trick Of The Light Feedback welcome :) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "The hearth rug of joy has been yanked from beneath my feet, and as the cress seeds of self doubt germinate in the beer-sodden student carpet of my mind, I lay my face gently atop the threadbare pillow of despair." (Inspired by Douglas Adams book titles, and, well, other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 03:56:52 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: NYT review of Travelogue Greetings from New York! Joni, I would be happy to run out on my lunch hour tomorrow and ask John Rockwell to kiss my ass in liew of yours, if you're not available. What a feeble excuse for a writer he has become, devoting 9 paragraphs to expound on his own "simple taste" to register his disappointment for a version of a single song within the collection. Pitiful. That he has elevated himself to also judge visual art is laughable. Mitchell has never called herself a master, she is content to be a student of life, music and painting. If Rockwell ever considered the words in "Borderline" or especially "Both Sides Now" and truly heard the performance of Joni's last recorded reading he could begin to have some kind of understanding, but to him Art has become a deadline. His projected advisements to Joni prove he knows nothing of creative process, and that hardly qualifies him a curator. I'm one among others here who knows that Joni has quite a healthy link with "her" public. And we are not as Rockwell would contest, "imagined." No, Joni. Rockwell is not God chasening and correcting. He's simply an asshole misusing his venue. He's the one who should get out, not you. Pointing fans to your characature proves the fraud he is. There is irony only in that Mr. Rockwell has led me to conclude that rather than the subject of his article, it is he who should get over himself. And that is just desserts. CC _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:24:20 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times review of Travelogue "PAUL PETERSON" writes: >Here's a piece by John Rockwell, someone with a history of personal = >antipathy towards Joni's art. Actually, Rockwell's history is that of admiration, as he writes: "As a longtime admirer of Ms. Mitchell ... I thought of her song 'Amelia,' which was once my prime evidence when I called her a 20th-century American Schubert." >The idea that John Kelly is a better >singer than Joni, past, present or future, is absurd! He doesn't say that at all; he clearly writes: "Right now, the best live Joni Mitchell is the countertenor-falsettist-drag artist John Kelly in his periodic revivals of his Joni Mitchell act, fabled in downtown Manhattan. Mr. Kelly sings Ms. Mitchell far better than she sings herself now." For what it's worth, John Rockwell is one of the few music critics I've admired, and although there are things about Travelogue I enjoy I do share many of his reservations about it, chiefly that at its worst it is bloated and self-indulgent. - -Fred P.S. Rockwell mistakenly attributes the arrangements to Larry Klein instead of Vince Mendoza, and I wrote to the NYT to inform them of the error. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 00:11:53 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: Senator John Edwards/U.S. Politics NJC Debra, My limited understanding of unemployment is that it is an insurance paid for by companies. The total amount is based on how many employees, and the risk of lay offs in the given industry. Once a minimum is met, the company doesn't pay any more in unless they have a lay off, and benefits are used. I know tax money is used in running this department, but I thought most came from State rather than Federal tax dollars. As for demos or reps making noise I think both sides have done their part. Actions speak louder than words. Kasey And not extending the unemployment benefits that ran out at Christmastime for the first 800,000 unemployed workers riles me, especially since that's a tax fund every worker pays into for their entire working life, and then those benefits are taxed heavily in the following year, penalties for not paying enough tax included, so unemployment benefits are NOT a free handout. The Democrats tried to get benefits extended and supposedly Bush was in favor of that, but the Republicans in Congress were not. (Strange how Bush can manage to get his way in everything else.) And people don't think there's any difference between the parties? Anyone surprised that Bush is now wondering who to put on the Supreme Court? Anyone surprised that there are anti-abortion laws being considered now? Uh, oh, I'm about to start screeching! So, yes, the Democrats will need to be very noisy. Debra SheaGet more from the Web. 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