From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #596 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 1 2003 Volume 2002 : Number 596 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Vietnam & the draft (NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Vietnam & the draft (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Vietnam & the draft (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Time magazine ad for travelogue [Jerry Notaro ] Old Lang's Sign NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Blue photographer is 62 today! LJC ["Russell Bowden" Old Long Song [Catherine McKay ] Happy new year NJC ["chuty001" ] Re: Happy new year NJC [Catherine McKay ] you bastards njc [colin ] mes enfants ["Wally Kairuz" ] Happy New Joni Year! [Little Bird ] Re: Happy New Joni Year! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Happy New Joni Year! [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:53:29 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Vietnam & the draft (NJC) > Maureen wrote: > > > During Vietnam all the poor and working > > class kids had to go. The others got student deferments or in > > the case of George Bush, Dad pulled some strings and got him > > in the National Guard. And Steve wrote: > I don't disagree at all that, with money and influence, many were > able to avoid the draft. Don't forget, though, that student > deferments were eliminated (in 1970 or '71?). That certainly > affected MY life, and those of the people I was at school with. I think the deferments were eliminated in late '70 when Nixon went to the lottery system. My boyfriend at the time had a high lotto number and his brother had a low number and my boyfriend valiantly wanted to find a way to go in place of his brother. I think it was late '70 because I remember hearing LOTC the first time while discussing all this at their house. My observation of the time - I knew two rich kids who volunteered for the Marines and Navy right out of high school before student deferments ended. They had excellent, honor roll grades and didn't need to go into the service because they had no other options. I also knew two rich kids who got out of service on medical deferments (one a heart condition and one another medical problem). A couple guys I knew volunteered for the Navy Reserve and Coast Guard in lieu is being drafted and sent off to combat. The hitch was they had to serve for six years. Most of those years they had it pretty easy reporting once a month stateside but at one point they were called to active duty. One served a few years active in Guam and the other in Hawaii. They never were sent to Vietnam. Two other friends opted for conscientious objector status and served as clerk typists and did not have to go on the battlefield. One other friend volunteered and was sent to Vietnam. He convinced the authorities that he couldn't handle it and was discharged. Point is that some willingly went, some found other ways out, and some were allowed to opt out. The military service does have people who go into it for the benefits they can get (and some of those people are what some call disadvantaged). Others really are called to it. They are highly educated middle or upper class and could choose other paths more advantageous to themselves but they want to choose this path. There are many benefits that can be gained from military service - free higher education, and if they stay in for 20 years - a very nice lifelong pension when they retire at 39 or 40 and go into a civilian career. The U.S. military has been all volunteer for many years now. The ones now serving have willingly chosen this path and have not been forced to take it. It's a big difference now from the 50s and 60s when young men were drafted into service. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:04:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Vietnam & the draft (NJC) --- kakki wrote: There > are many benefits that > can be gained from military service - free higher > education, and if they > stay in for 20 years - a very nice lifelong pension > when they retire at 39 > or 40 and go into a civilian career. The U.S. > military has been all > volunteer for many years now. The ones now serving > have willingly chosen > this path and have not been forced to take it. It's > a big difference now > from the 50s and 60s when young men were drafted > into service. It's voluntary now because there's no official war going on now. If war was declared and they needed people, they'd bring back the draft. And it wouldn't be just young men this time, it would be young women too (which is fair, if the whole draft thing is fair, that is.) You're right about the military being a good place to get an education and a good pension and that probably is why many people without money choose to go in (as well as being forced to by economic circumstances - for some, it's pretty much the same thing.) A friend of my Dad's stayed in the army (Canadian) once WWII ended, then, when he retired, became a teacher, then when he retired from that, became a beekeeper (Hey, Sharon, if you're still on the list) - the beekeeping was just for fun though. Bzzzz. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:06:54 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Vietnam & the draft (NJC) Both of my brothers enlisted themselves in Air Force right out of highschool before they could be drafted into the Army. My older brother was a dental technician, the younger brother who was more in danger of being sent to battle at the height of the war, sat in a clerk typist position and opted to be stationed in England in exchange for serving a 1/2 year more term in order not to be sent to Vietnam. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:29:23 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Time magazine ad for travelogue Saw a big ad for Travelogue in Premiere Magazine at the dentist's office yesterday. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:14:14 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: birthday wishes njc >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >>Orson always wore a fake nose in movies. He hated his nose!! He also >>drank copious amounts of caffeine a day...and many bottles of wine with >>his meals..plus the hard stuff. I thought he was a fascinating character >>and one of those people I would have loved to dine with just once..and >>soak it all in. >> >>Bree >> >......and soak it all in...... > >would it not be simpler to just buy your own caffeine and wine? I think I stumbled into this one! Happy New Years everyone!!(saying it now because it may be difficult to type in a few hours) I'm glad we all made it another year! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:19:50 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Old Lang's Sign NJC In a message dated 12/31/2002 1:14:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > I'm glad we all made it another year! But I'm thinking about our friend Karin who didn't...and sending up a prayer that 2003 is full of joy & PEACE for everyone. Bob NP: Terry McCann, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:39:35 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Blue photographer is 62 today! LJC Gang, While doing my crosswords this AM, I discovered that Tim Considine is 62 today...I remember him on TV and some movies throughout my viewing life.....He played the soldier that George C. Scott slapped around in the film 'Patton', among other roles..... and of course that great enigmatic cover of 'Blue' was shot by him. Was he one of Joni's early '70's stable of men? I like to think so.... I drooled over him in my early days of homo life......Happy Birthday, Tim! Happy New Year, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:56:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Old Lang's Sign NJC -> Old Long Song --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/2002 1:14:14 PM Eastern > Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > > > I'm glad we all made it another year! > > But I'm thinking about our friend Karin who > didn't...and sending up a prayer that 2003 is full > of joy & PEACE for everyone. Amen to that, brother. Especially P E A C E. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:29:29 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Old Lang's Sign NJC >In a message dated 12/31/2002 1:14:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, >bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > > > I'm glad we all made it another year! > >But I'm thinking about our friend Karin who didn't...and sending up a >prayer that 2003 is full of joy & PEACE for everyone. Yes...Karin..sorry I did not meet her! Nice thoughts.Bob! Bree >Bob > >NP: Terry McCann, "The Circle Game" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:43:43 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Happy new year NJC Happy New Year Gang I know I'm a little early but my wife and I are also celebrating our 20th (holy crap has it been that long) anniversary today. So I'm hoping to be busy tonight. Wishing you all the best for the new year. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:05:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy new year NJC --- chuty001 wrote: > Happy New Year Gang > > I know I'm a little early but my wife and I are also > celebrating our 20th > (holy crap has it been that long) anniversary today. > So I'm hoping to be busy > tonight. Happy anninewyearary, Chuck. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 00:47:40 +0000 From: colin Subject: you bastards njc Thinking of you all now and hoping 2003 is a good one. Lets hope peace is given a chance. (no I am not drunk-just a child) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:11:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: mes enfants kisses and hugs and very excellent and naughty wishes for your own private 2003!!!! i am thinking of you. and now i must be off because i have to roast a whole PIG and it's been marinating for ever so long! i love you i love you i love you long live the jmdl, adorable beetches and bastards one and all. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:54:30 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Happy New Joni Year! Happy New Year, everyone! May 2003 be your best year yet! And may Joni tour. And come out with a new album. And sell her paintings. And be my best friend. And my mom. And my sister. And may she move back to Canada for ever and ever. Andrew....woo, the wine... Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:40:11 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Happy New Joni Year! Honey..fucking damn right!! My dind of guy! alrighty!! Happy new years! Bree >Happy New Year, everyone! May 2003 be your best year yet! And may Joni >tour. And come out with a new album. And sell her paintings. And be my best >friend. And my mom. And my sister. And may she move back to Canada for ever >and ever. > >Andrew....woo, the wine... >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Happy New Joni Year! OOOOOOOOHHHH! Bree cussed! It's not only a new year it's a New Day! Does this mean you'll also be moving to the left Bree?! Happy Freakin New Year To MY JMDL Family! Thanks Joni You've given us more than you ever could have imagined. XOXOXOXOXOX!!!!! Peace! Susan NP: Phoebe Snow - Stand Up On The Rock Yeah Baby! - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Honey..fucking damn right!! My dind of guy! alrighty!! Happy new years! > > Bree > > > >Happy New Year, everyone! May 2003 be your best year yet! And may Joni > >tour. And come out with a new album. And sell her paintings. And be my best > >friend. And my mom. And my sister. 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