From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #592 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 592 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: messagefromamerica.com [NJC] ["kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 Is it Colin Powell on T'logue [Aerchak@aol.co] Rickie Lee [Harry83house@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 "River" on Circuit City ad [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius [Mags N Brei ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 "River" on Circuit City ad [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ja] Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC ["RSM" ] Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC ["chuty001" ] native Americans njc ["kasey simpson" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [Susan Guzzi ] Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 rickie lee jones [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [colin ] Re: jaco NJC [Aerchak@aol.com] RE: bittersweet ["Kate Bennett" ] Jaco Pastorius articles (sjc) [Les Irvin ] Nonesuch Promos [whizzboom@attbi.com] Re: Nonesuch Promos [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: jaco NJC [colin ] Re: The New Orleans Report (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: birthday wishes [Michael Paz ] Re: jaco NJC [colin ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [Alison E ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 [Alison E ] Re: jaco NJC [Catherine McKay ] More on Jaco - vljc [Catherine McKay ] gorka [" Jack Neilson"] Re: 'prepare' njc [FredNow@aol.com] Today in History: December 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:39:18 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: messagefromamerica.com [NJC] Richard wrote: > did I just hear and watch a tv commercial sponsored by Circuit City > and the Department of Defense? using Joni's "River"? to solicit > messages to "our boys" who can't be home for christmas...? they > direct you to: http://www.messagefromamerica.com . . . > why oh why would anyone sell the rights to this song to the US military? Circuit City had that ad last year around the holidays, too, featuring Robert Downey, Jr.'s recording of River. Someone licensed it to Circuit City not the U.S. military. Circuit City is just giving people who want to send video messages to their friends and family in the service a little free assistance in doing so. > n.p. Kennedy Center Honors - Liz Taylor gets serenaded by the > Washington DC Gay Men's Chorus "There Is Nothing Like A Dame" I saw this and a good hunk of the show tonight. Thought it was one of the better ones! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:41:52 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 I know some of you are upset about the use of "River" on the Christmas message-or whatever-on TV by the Army? I look at it this way, those kids who will be killed and on the front lines will be kids from trailer parks, children of single mothers, black, and hispanic. They wouldn't be rich kids like George Bush was during the Vietnam war. When those young guys came home from Vietnam we treated them like shit. So should we do the same now? They are all so young and have no sense of their mortality. When I think how many of them might die for oil why not wish them a Merry Christmas? Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:23:43 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 Is it Colin Powell on T'logue Someone wrote that the portrait of who I called "the Asian guy in military uniform" on the T'logue liner might be Colin Powell. Doesn't he look Asian to you? Or is it Colin Powell? I think he has too much hair to be Powell. And actually he's not in a military uniform at all, I completely made that up, he's in a suit jacket and tie. He's just wearing some pins on the left lapel. Now this is officially driving me crazy. My friend thinks he is some guru. Who is this man and why did Joni paint a picture of him and put him in there/ Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:27:19 EST From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: Rickie Lee Rickie Lee's PIRATES is a very special album...I'll never forget when I was a teenager going over to this guy's house late at night and he pulled out a "water pipe" and put on PIRATES. The memory is still so vivid and we couldn't speak during "Skeletons". Anyway, Turner Classic Movies is occasionally playing this beautifully put together montage of film clips of show business personalities who passed away in 2002, and Rickie Lee is singing this poignant and lovely song in the background. Does anyone know what the song is and what album its from? I've only seen the tribute once but they replay it several times a day I'm told. I'll try to catch it again and snag some lyrics. Also, has ANYONE seen any Joni T'LOG promo posters yet? No word from Nonesuch yet. Best! Harry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:38:57 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 "River" on Circuit City ad It's Robert Downey's version of "River" on the Circuit City ad which Joni loved and since Joni owns all the publishing rights to her songs she must have allowed it. And what the hell is wrong with sending good cheer to folks in the military away from their families at Christmas? Why don't we just treat them like pariah as we did the Vietnam vets? That was very helpful to them. You ever spent any time talking to someone who did a combat tour in Nam. Well, one of my best friends did. You know why, because he was black and got picked up for pot and loitering in SanFrancisco. His choice was Viet Nam or jail. He was 19. And if you were, young, strong and black, that's where the government sent you. And he was treated like shit upon return and he's never gotten over it. Purple heart. Bronze star. Silver star. Get a clue. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:46:08 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC I read in the digest you think it might be Colin Powell. That's a thought. But doesn't the guy look Asian. Now I see it's not a uniform at all but a suit and tie. Who the fuck is it? Why is he there and why did Joni paint a picture of him? And what's that Jack Russell terrier's name? Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius my understanding is that although jaco was into cocaine, he did not become a street person. he died as a result of a fight in a bar. mags You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:58:56 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 "River" on Circuit City ad Not sure about this, but I think Janet Jackson owns the rights to Joni's songs. Joni still gets royalties but I think Janet (bless her!) has some say in what they get used for... or maybe pushes them under people's noses so they do get used! Or am I talking outta my arse? Much Joni Jamie Zoob Aerchak@aol.com wrote:It's Robert Downey's version of "River" on the Circuit City ad which Joni loved and since Joni owns all the publishing rights to her songs she must have allowed it. - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:59:22 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC I believe that the gentleman in the portrait is Chvgyam Trungpa Rinpoche, the friend of friend of spirit from Refuge of the Roads. There is an article about him at http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/friendofspirit.cfm Some pictures on the web can be found by going to google.com, clicking on the images tab, and cutting his name into the search window. Here is a link to one: http://www.connection-medien.de/lexikon/bilder/!chgyamt.jpg Ron l.a. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC | I read in the digest you think it might be Colin Powell. That's a thought. | But doesn't the guy look Asian. Now I see it's not a uniform at all but a | suit and tie. Who the fuck is it? Why is he there and why did Joni paint a | picture of him? And what's that Jack Russell terrier's name? | Andrea | | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:05:55 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Kennedy Center Awards: Paul Simon and JT - SJC (trace elements) Saw the Kennedy Center Award ceremony on the boob tube last night. Paul Simon was one of those honored. A few observations: 1. Paul's "hair" looked like Michael Jackson's face. How could he have left the house like that ? 2. Those who have at some time in my life been my 'number one' include the Beatles, Paul Simon, JT (briefly, because of) and Joni (the latter for only about 31 years). Two of those were there yesterday, as JT performed the Boxer with Allison Krauss (who held her violin but did not play a note - her wooly blanket ?). He has become quite a polished performer over the years, and their duet took me back for a moment to the James/Joni BBC concert of 12/70. Sigh. Wish I had been at that one. Anyway, their rendition of the Boxer did not quite measure up to his version of River at the Joni tribute concert. Was that because of the emotional attachment, or is River just a better song than The Boxer (which is one of my - and everybody's - favorite PS songs)? 3. Back circa 1972, when I was living in NYC, Paul Simon's brother Eddie told me that Paul did not really respect JT's work at that point. I wonder if he has changed his opinion. Certainly, Paul Simon was more ambitious than JT in exploring new avenues on his musical journey - some more successfully than others. 4. To Victor: My wife - who loves JT - loves October Road after only two listens. I have no worthwhile opinion to share yet after only one listen ;-) Bob S. NP - Cotton Avenue - from Joni's 1983 Jones Beach Concert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:16:19 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: native peoples in the US NJC Kakki: I agree 100% with your post. I grew up in the 60's and 70's when the horrors of mistreatment of native Americans were the subject of books like "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee." One of the more evocative depictions for me was, ironically, the Hoffman film, "Little Big Man." This oppression is one of those things that can get me naseous just thinking about. My quibble was a minor one: whether we have seen genocide in our lifetimes perpetrated on the native Americans. BTW, who was the professor who touched you so? Ron l.a. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kakki" To: "RSM" ; Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:26 PM Subject: Re: native peoples in the US NJC | Hi Ron, | | The subject of Native Americans interests me greatly (but I have no want to | get into a diatribe! ;-) I've had a lifelong interest in the local | California tribes, particularly with regard to those who lived on the Calif. | Channel Islands. Back in the 80s I took an incredible course on "American | Indian History" (that's what it was called at the time) from a brilliant | professor who is one of the world's leading scholars on the history of the | natives of North, Central and South America. She really opened my eyes to | some of the real history that most U.S. school children are never taught. I | agree that "genocide" is a strong word and also equate the term with | systematic mass murder of a particular group of people. I did, however, | walk away from that course with the feeling that historically some in the | U.S., in their push westward in the 1800s, did contribute to some | unintentional genocide of many of the native groups. As the settlers and | adventurers pushed westward they often deliberately pushed the natives off | their lands to lands that no one else wanted (mostly the bleak and harsh | areas of the western U.S. where it was most difficult to grow crops and | survive) My professor used to say that in the end the Native Americans got | the last laugh by owning land on western reservations which are enormously | rich in uranium and other strategic metals. The Spanish advernturers and | missionaries in California often did more harm than good to the native | tribes, bringing in foreign diseases and conscripting them to labor as serfs | for the crown and church. The missionaries, however, sometimes had good, if | not always wise, intentions toward the California tribes. By rescuing many | of them from the islands they saved (or tried to save) many of them from the | Russian fur traders who were often truly committing genocide against the | island tribes in order to have no competition in their monopoly of the seal | and otter populations. At any rate, the course was one of the most | fascinating I've ever experienced and it left me wishing that more people in | the U.S. could learn more about the Native American history. I assume that | the tribes in Utah are being prevented from opening casinos because of the | Mormon religion there disapproves of gambling. You may be familiar with the | fight here in Calif. a few years ago with regard to letting the tribes have | "Las Vegas style" gambling. The Federal government was fighting them on it | because they supposed that the Mafia would then infiltrate the reservations. | I was squarely on the side of the tribes on that one and was happy that they | eventually won the fight. The tribes are supposed to have many sovereign | rights on the reservations. In many real and legal senses the reservations | are their own "countries" within the U.S. They are exempt from certain laws | that govern the rest of the U.S. I've always thought they should have a | right to have any kind of gambling or other enterprises they choose and the | government should butt out. They have been neglected and lived in poverty | too long and should be allowed to prosper as best they can. | | Kakki | | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:50:56 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC Looks like the guy to me. I posted the Colin Powell Comment but didn't think it resembled him. Every one I've handed the CD to has told me they thought it was Powell. I think Chvgyam Trungpa Rinpoche bears a far closer resemblance to the picture. Thanks Ron Chuck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "RSM" Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC > I believe that the gentleman in the portrait is Chvgyam Trungpa Rinpoche, > the friend of friend of spirit from Refuge of the Roads. There is an > article about him at http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/friendofspirit.cfm > > Some pictures on the web can be found by going to google.com, clicking on > the images tab, and cutting his name into the search window. Here is a link > to one: http://www.connection-medien.de/lexikon/bilder/!chgyamt.jpg > > Ron > l.a. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC > > > | I read in the digest you think it might be Colin Powell. That's a thought. > | But doesn't the guy look Asian. Now I see it's not a uniform at all but a > | suit and tie. Who the fuck is it? Why is he there and why did Joni paint a > | picture of him? And what's that Jack Russell terrier's name? > | Andrea > | > | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:04:30 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: jaco pastorius For a much more in-depth treatment of Jaco's life, achievements, and the sad time leading to his death, go to www.jacopastorius.com The site was set up by his wife and kids, and is mesmerising. Ingrid, his wife, still maintains the site. - --Chris Marshall (Jaco fan? Me?) chris@hatstand.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:30:25 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: native Americans njc Kakki, We have yet another common interest. I started reading about the true history of Native Americans many years ago. I was drawn to the shaman or medicine men. Many where homosexual, because it was believed they possessed both female, and male spirits. I was very disappointed a few years ago when the tribes sold the white buffalo to a museum. I don't know if you are acquainted with the story or not. If you're interested I'll write you off list. KaseyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:07:11 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 Hi Maureen, Personally, I would not say I am upset but disappointed that one conscience invades another conscience for their own agenda. I don't begrudge the individual G.I. - but that it is played here for pure propagnda. Something I do not appreciate seeing Joni's art subjected to ... and I would hope Joni is not pleased about this either. PEACE NOW! Susan - --- Kardinel@aol.com wrote: > I know some of you are upset about the use of "River" on the Christmas > message-or whatever-on TV by the Army? I look at it this way, those kids who > will be killed and on the front lines will be kids from trailer parks, > children of single mothers, black, and hispanic. They wouldn't be rich kids > like George Bush was during the Vietnam war. When those young guys came home > from Vietnam we treated them like shit. So should we do the same now? They > are all so young and have no sense of their mortality. When I think how many > of them might die for oil why not wish them a Merry Christmas? Maureen Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:22:09 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: jaco pastorius/colin powell/jack russell SJC Quoting Aerchak@aol.com: "And what's that Jack Russell terrier's name?" > Andrea > Joni's dog is named Coco- as in Channel, or Coconut, as she called him/it! Best Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:28:43 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 rickie lee jones Wally, you missed off Company. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:39:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 >>They >>are all so young and have no sense of their mortality. >> which is why governments use such young people to fight wars. Older ones would be much harder to convince or fool. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:52:09 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: jaco NJC Actually, I just read an interview that Wally Breese did with Jaco's wife, Ingrid. Apparently the guy beat him extremely badly and to death. Jaco was runnning away. He eventually pled to manslaughter and basically did no time at all, something like 4 months. Jaco was drunk and kicked the door because they wouldn't let him in. The really sad part is that Jaco Pastorius was bipolar (manic depressive). It is not uncommon for untreated manics to spiral into addiction as self medication. Another lost soul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:55:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: bittersweet wally Subject: Jaco Pastorius articles (sjc) At 12/28/2002 08:53 AM, Mags N Brei wrote: >my understanding is that although jaco was into cocaine, he did not become >a street person. he died as a result of a fight in a bar. There are a number of articles in the Library published at the time of his death. Fascinating reading. Jazz Star Comatose After Fight At Bar http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=923 Club Manager is Charged in Beating of Jazz Musician http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=930 Dark Days For A Jazz Genius http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=924 Jaco Pastorious, Noted Jazz Guitarist http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=926 Death Silences One Of Music's True Originals http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=925 Charge Filed in Musician's Death http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=927 Man Admits Guilt in Beating Death Plea Consoles Jazz Great's Kin http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=928 Famed Jazz Musician's Killer Sentenced to 21 Months in Jail http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=929 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:48:44 +0000 From: whizzboom@attbi.com Subject: Nonesuch Promos Nope, no word yet. I sent Nonesuch yet ANOTHER email yesterday (whelp, they DID promise, so...). I've also been watching ebay and nothing has surfaced there either. - -Chris > Rickie Lee's PIRATES is a very special album...I'll never forget when I was a > teenager going over to this guy's house late at night and he pulled out a > "water pipe" and put on PIRATES. The memory is still so vivid and we > couldn't speak during "Skeletons". Anyway, Turner Classic > Movies is occasionally playing this beautifully put together montage of film > clips of show business personalities who passed away in 2002, and Rickie Lee > is singing this poignant and lovely song in the background. Does anyone know > what the song is and what album its from? I've only seen the tribute once > but they replay it several times a day I'm told. I'll try to catch it again > and snag some lyrics. Also, has ANYONE seen any Joni T'LOG > promo posters yet? No word from Nonesuch yet. Best! Harry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:36:47 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Nonesuch Promos I still haven't seen any promo posters for T-logue yet, but I did see an ad in a magazine for the first time today. People Magazine (yes I admit I read it) has an ad for Travelogue in their Dec. 30th issue. It's a black & white ad that takes up about a third of the page. Actually Borders is the one that took out the ad, but it does say Nonesuch Records at the bottom. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, the other two thirds of the page is an ad for Valtrex, a perscription pill to treat herpes...........go figure. Talk to your doctor today! :~) Jimmy (who loves Travelogue) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:43:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: jaco NJC > The really sad part is that Jaco Pastorius was >bipolar (manic depressive). It is not uncommon for untreated manics to spiral >into addiction as self medication. > I think the main reason being that the 'treatment' is often worse than the complaint. Certainly all the drugs that I know of have unacceptable side effects, sudden and early death being two of them. Apart from that, the drugs don't actually do a lot except make other people feel better and like they are doing something. They make the taker feel dreadful and often far worse than when they were unmedicated. Some of the drugs could succesfully be used as a torture. After many years of suffering, i found my own medication, marijuana.(which of course also has bad side effects but I didn't know that) It worked for ten years. In that time i didn't take any meds, didn't see a dr, and managed to live a normal life, even managing to 'work' for the first time in my life. I knitted six days a week and sold on the 7th. I did it for 6 years, and made a very good living. However, all good things come to an end and like many friends, marijuana became my enemy. So i stopped and remained drug free(I don't drink). A little over a year ago, i relented, i think just to please my gp who is really nice and caring. I went on to a drug that is consdiered 'safe', despite having bad side effects(like the two mentioned earlier), called tegratol. It slowed me down far too much, dulled me and although I didn't get manic, it left me feeling drained and low most of the time. I then had a bloodtest to find that my cholesterol had shot up(one of it's side effects). I stopped the drug 3 mths or so ago and fully intend staying med free. I have learned good coping skills-know how to stop a downward sprial getting too down and an upward one getting to up. I have good self knowledge, good friends, and a good partner all of whom accept me as I am and don't see me as defective and are supportive. Mostly, tho, it is my dogs that keep me even. I HAVE to be their for them. they rely on me. I can't wallow in bed. I can't go up into cloud cuckoo land. They need me to meet their needs. they are completely dependant upon me. No matter how I feel, they need to be fed, walked, groomed, played with, talked to. And they don't know i have a label and don't sit around discussing how difficult I must be to live with, either in front of me or behind my back. I give myself goals. On the days when i just want to go back to bed, after dealing with the dogs, I bargain with myself. I say 'go to the gym and when you have done that, you can go to bed'. More often than not , i don't go back to bed. When i feel buzzy I design and knit a lot! A LOT! I excercise more. the dogs get walked more. I just DO a lot more.( and I lose weight! unfortuanetley I am more low and slow than up and fast, so am a fatty) My last real manic phase was 97 when i first joined the list. oh boy, 30 or so mails a day, never slept. That epsisode was triggered by grief. Who knows what the future holds. I am happy as I am. My partner is happy to have me med free(he has learned a lot too about meds and what they can do). i don't need to please people and be as they want me to be. The one thing I wish i could change is that i am quite a solitary person, spending most of my time alone with my dogs and my desigining and this pc. Thank god for email. Being with people is too dificult. the friends I have I have had for many years but they are not on my doorstep but allways at the end of a phone. Other people after a while begin to think something is not quite right and either drift away or if they push the issue and I tell them I have a disorder, they either go then or don't treat me with respect from then on. ie if i disgree with them or don't want to do something, it is because i am 'ill'. or they start feeling sorry for John and think he is a saint, never thinking that 'normies' have their difficult to live with stuff too! This pisses us both off. I think these people must think i am frequently a drooling maniac or slashing my wrists every few weeks. So in the long run it is better not to socialize and try build friendships. people are not as tolerant or caring or patient as we would wish! strangely, the only time i had loads of 'friends' was during the pot years. Of course they were not friends but I was too stoned to care(as were they). i did all sorts of things then-parites, galavanting, home gatherings etc. it was fun. laughed a lot. was horny all the time(a side effect i didn't mind! although John fund the pace a bit much at times!) and the dream was real enough for me to enjoy it while it lasted. It also enabled to look at myself and things I had not been able to deal previously. All of which led me to getting a lot of shit up and out and has led me to the good life I now enjoy. Jaco did not die because of his bipolar condition. he died because someone murdered him. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:57:45 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The New Orleans Report (NJC) Sorry I am so behind on my email. Too much holiday spirits and such. I will call my contact with the sound company and hook you up for this one. I will call you next week. Best Paz P.S. Muller in the pit is redundant! on 12/22/02 3:46 PM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/22/02 6:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, > michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: > > >> Welcome back Rosalita >> (altho you never really left me!!!!) > > ATTENTION!!!!! > I NEED 2 BRU-U-CE GA'S FOR THE PIT IN ATLANTIC CITY FOR MARCH 7TH!!!!!! They > haven't gone on sale yet. Don't feckin leave me out in the cold for this one > Paz. I'm way too jealous that Muller did the PIT and I didn't. LMAO > > love, > Rosie in NJ > putting up the Xmas stockings ;0) > PS: GA stands for General Admission ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:05:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The New Orleans Report (VLJC) Thanks very much you guys. Hope you had a great holiday and you have a wonderful New Year. My sister is coming with her family in a few days and I am excited. My best to Mimi too. It was not my intention to turn you into blubber either! LOL! Love Paz (still catchin9 up only 237 list emails to go) on 12/22/02 3:46 PM, Mags N Brei at magsnbrei@yahoo.com wrote: > well Michael, if your plan was to make us all blubber by the end of this > beautiful heartfelt post of your, congratulations. collectively we cry in our > liittle home n woodbury nj. bring on the tissues man. waaaaaaa. > > blessings of the season to you and yours Michael and give Christina, Jack, and > Mary when you see her tomorrow a big warm hug from Brian and I. We are > thrilled beyond thrilled for the success of all of you. Michael, we received > the PazFest CD recently as a gift and it is everything you've said it is and > more. > > For the first time Brian and I get to be together in our home for the > holidays...(he's not going anywhere and neither am i..and my futon is still in > his livingroom .. the standing joke between us...anyway ..we/ve been > celebrating holidays since the first night of the festival of the lights which > began November 29th. > > Sad to say that I am away from my other family who are still in Canada and > it's not easy being away from one in particular so maybe you could all send > thoughts and love and light and prayers and all good things to my daughter > Mimi. Id appreciate that so much. > > love, mags. and brian too. > > xoxoxoxoxo > > > > > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:27:21 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: jaco NJC Thank you for your thoughtful email. I had received an email saying that the guy who killed Jaco didn't "really mean to do it" when he in fact he was beaten to death, as you said, murdered. I wasn't saying that his bipolar disorder had killed him either. But quite a few people had written saying he had slipped into alcoholism and cocaine addiction......homelessness etc. I thought it relevant to bring up the bipolar disorder as I'm assuming not as many people know about that. I know way too much about manic depression, alcoholism, suicide, hospitalizations, medications and treatments to ever judge anyone about how to take care of themselves. I am glad that what you are doing works for you and that you have a supportive partner. My dogs are my saviors also, two greyhounds and a pug. Peace, Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:37:27 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Islam versus the West njc You go girl!!! Oh from the mouths of babes.... All the best to you Nikki Love Paz on 12/25/02 4:17 PM, Nikki Johnson at humblepi@voicenet.com wrote: > I am a little wary of joining in this complex debate...but just wanted to > add a small thing in and that is that Islam actually does teach respecting > humanity and human rights...however I will not disagree that in many ways > this is not played out in practice. I have not lived in a Muslim country but > I have experienced the stares of Americans from having my hair covered and > the disbelief that someone would choose this path when superficial media > knowledge prevails and guides the dominant discourse. > > Love Nikki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:37:27 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Islam versus the West njc You go girl!!! Oh from the mouths of babes.... All the best to you Nikki Love Paz on 12/25/02 4:17 PM, Nikki Johnson at humblepi@voicenet.com wrote: > I am a little wary of joining in this complex debate...but just wanted to > add a small thing in and that is that Islam actually does teach respecting > humanity and human rights...however I will not disagree that in many ways > this is not played out in practice. I have not lived in a Muslim country but > I have experienced the stares of Americans from having my hair covered and > the disbelief that someone would choose this path when superficial media > knowledge prevails and guides the dominant discourse. > > Love Nikki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:44:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: December 26th!!!!!!! A very happy Fecking Birthday to you Mr. Cagno. Hope your day is filled with joy. All the best Paz on 12/25/02 7:28 PM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > He's a gifted singer/songwriter/guitar player who's got the groove. He's got > a smile that will melt your heart. Join me in wishing a wonderful birthday to > Mr. Gregg Cagno over there in a snow laden Pennsylvania I'm sure. > > Happy Birthday Gregg!! > missing you > Rosie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:46:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: birthday wishes WallyFacio The original great Birthday fairy, may you have a wonderful day and I hope your wounds are healing. All the best to you old pal. Paz on 12/26/02 9:21 PM, frasere@intergate.ca at frasere@intergate.ca wrote: > to the greatest birthday fairy in the world: > > Wally, > > the happiest of birthdays to you- here's hoping that all you dream and wish > for > come true. Enjoy your special day. > > love > Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:27:30 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: jaco NJC Aerchak@aol.com wrote: >Thank you for your thoughtful email. I had received an email saying that the >guy who killed Jaco didn't "really mean to do it" when he in fact he was >beaten to death, as you said, murdered. I wasn't saying that his bipolar >disorder had killed him either. > I know you were not saying that. > But quite a few people had written saying he >had slipped into alcoholism and cocaine addiction......homelessness etc. I >thought it relevant to bring up the bipolar disorder as I'm assuming not as >many people know about that. I know way too much about manic depression, >alcoholism, suicide, hospitalizations, medications and treatments to ever >judge anyone about how to take care of themselves. > I didn't think you were doing that either! Your post just made me think of things and as often happens, i wrote them down. > I am glad that what you >are doing works for you and that you have a supportive partner. My dogs are >my saviors also, two greyhounds and a pug. > 5 Lhasa Apso and 1 Miniature Longhaired Dachshund. The numbers go up and down. > >Peace, >Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 WALLLLLYYYY! happy birthday, mon amour! joyeaux anniversaire! pardon my spelling! tu es tres magnifique! je t'adore! seriousment! i hope you have/had a wonderful birthday. sorry i am a bit late, but as my boyf says, better late than never! course he's talking about my period!!! no drunk posting, no drunk posting.... in all seriousness... i love you wally. i hope you are as happy as i know you deserve to be. love and kisses and hugs, alison e. in slc - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > Happy Birthday, Wally. And if it's your birthday, > it must be time for another drink. > > - --Chris Marshall (getting into the spirit of > things, > literally) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:33:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 no indeed, ron. i wouldn't equate "not letting native americans have a casino" as genocide... i would equate the overwhelming disregard that the american government has paid to the indians in this country as genocide. the am. gov. is in violation of hundreds of treaties that would help native peoples out of the despair that they've been relegated to for decades...you are correct that no government official is standing on tribal land holding a gun to an indian head...they do it through economic strangulation, the fostering of alcohol and drug addiction on the res...the lack of economic development in areas surrounding tribal land...the denial of college educations to indian children and teens...not to mention the systemic racism that continues to plague native peoples...there are more passive and legal ways to do it now...they don't need muskets anymore. i remember a recent comedy act from chris rock about how "black people need to stop complaining...we got it pretty good compared to some others...anybody seen an indian family chilling at red lobster on a friday night???" and he has a very valid point buried in that comedy routine...the native population in this country is still so shrouded in mythology that no one sees the real despair in which many native peoples live. that's my point, i guess. alison e. in slc. - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Saturday, December 28 2002 > Volume 2002 : Number 591 > > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:38:03 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: native peoples in the US NJC I hate to weigh in on these political diatribes, but would you really equatedenial of permission to run a casino with genocide? Certainly it could becalled racism or economic oppression. I think that the term "genocide" should be limited to the kind of mass murder, either directly or ndirectly,by a government or sanctioned by a government. I do not believe that I haveseen heard of this happening in my lifetime regarding native Americans. Notto quibble with mistreatment, benign neglect etc. Ron Los Angeles Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:57:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jaco NJC --- colin wrote: > > The really sad part is that Jaco Pastorius was > >bipolar (manic depressive). It is not uncommon for > untreated manics to spiral > >into addiction as self medication. > > > I think the main reason being that the 'treatment' > is often worse than > the complaint. Certainly all the drugs that I know > of have unacceptable > side effects, sudden and early death being two of > them. Apart from that, > the drugs don't actually do a lot except make other > people feel better > and like they are doing something. They make the > taker feel dreadful and > often far worse than when they were unmedicated. Colin, I'm happy for you that you are able to take care of yourself without medication. Many people can - Patti Duke is one of them. If you haven't read her autobiography, I'd recommend it. She had a very weird childhood. However, medication does work very well for some people and I'm sure you're not implying that no one needs medication. Not all doctors and shrinks are out to get everyone on drugs - some of them actually do seem to know what they're doing and do care about their patients' welfare. My brother-in-law is bipolar and, without his medication, becomes paranoid and delusional and unable to function. (He usually thinks he's in the CIA, which being Canadian, is pretty unlikely in any case!; except that being in the CIA or being a spy, or else being watched by the CIA or some other spy group is pretty common with delusional people for some reason.)Fortunately he does not become violent (not usually, although being violent - getting into a bad fight with someone when he was in his late teens or early twenties - was what led to his being diagnosed, and having a psych evaluation was what kept him out of jail.) As long as he takes his medication (it was lithium, but now he's on something else, I'm not sure what), he can be successful at his work and be there for my sister and their kids. He is a wonderful and caring person. When he's not on medication, he makes not just his life, but their lives, and the lives of his parents, complete hell. These medications work very well for some people. It is true that there are side effects and that they can cause damage and possibly premature death (it's either the kidneys or the liver that has to be monitored); however, the alternative for many people is an even earlier death - by their own hand. People who recognize their illness and take responsibility for it themselves (that is, not leaving it up to others to make them get help), by taking care of their bodies, eating properly, getting enough sleep and so on, are in a better position to deal with it without medication. Unfortunately many people go into denial about it and there's still a huge stigma attached to it - after all, mental illness is a "weakness" and not a *real* illness in the minds of many people, so, maybe if you ignore it, it will just go away. Or maybe you're just not trying hard enough. Still others use alcohol as a form of self-medication, although they may not be aware that's what they're doing. If people looked at these things the same way as they do something like diabetes, the whole thing makes much more sense. It's a chemical imbalance, so you need to get your body back into balance. Some diabetes (the late-onset/lifestyle-induced kind) can be controlled strictly through healthy lifestyles and diet. Other people need to take insulin. Once again, I'm happy for you that you can do it without medication. That's always the preferred choice, IMO; unfortunately it's not the answer for everyone. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:23:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: More on Jaco - vljc There are a couple of excellent Jaco articles on Les's site: "Dark days for a jazz genius," (Tom Moon, Miami Herald, Sept. 20/87) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=924 and "Death silences one of music's true originals" (same author, same paper, three days later, a couple of days after Jaco died) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=925 ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:43:52 -0800 From: " Jack Neilson" Subject: gorka I haven't been here for quite a while.I love how a mention of one memory, especially of a song,can do SO much to SO many in SO many different ways...I had a similar experience hearing gorka speak about and play the same song..HI allison and Kate and thanks for the memories.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:57:15 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: 'prepare' njc "kakki" writes: >In the case of Iraq there is at least a >growing compilation of evidence that they have assisted terrorists who >have directly attacked the U.S. Actually, there is no definitive credible evidence of this, and, in fact, the US has been spreading disinformation (e.g., the recent lie about Iraq providing nerve gas to Al-Qaeda) claiming such a link. Daniel Ellsberg points out that disinformation has historically been used by the US government; certainly in the Vietnam War, and now, too. He fears that if the UN inspectors come up empty the US will manufacture a pretext to invade anyway. >I dread any war and hope Saddam and his family will take the standing offer >to move to Libya. On this we can all agree. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:01:44 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 29 1968: Joni performed at the Miami Pop Festival at Gulfstream Park. This 3-day festival featured the Grateful Dead, Steppenwolf, Iron Butterfly, and many others. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=824 1985: Joni and Larry Klein were interviewed in London by Tony Hale of Capitol 95.8 FM for the "Rock Master Class". More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=646 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:01:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 29 On December 29 the following items were published: 1968: "Jerry Jeff, Joni, and Tim" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=805 1980: "Inner View" - Jim Ladd (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=859 1982: "North of the Border, Does Rock Speak Canadian?" - New York Times (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=827 1985: "Rock Master Class Interview" - Capitol 95.8FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=646 2000: "Favorite guitarists" - Pat Metheny Group Listener Network (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=956 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #592 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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