From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #591 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 591 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- live njc [colin ] Re: OK njc [colin ] Re: birthday wishes [Chris Marshall ] Re: birthday wishes NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: birthday wishes [Catherine McKay ] Re: OK njc [Catherine McKay ] NPR -- Travelogue [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #590/ Herb Ritt's beautiful photo of joni [Aerchak@] Christmas snowstorm NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Birthdays, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: birthday wishes, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Herb Ritts ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Birthdays, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: birthday wishes njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: NPR -- Travelogue [Deb Messling ] Re: live njc [Randy Remote ] birthday wishes ["Kate Bennett" ] Herb Ritts ["Kate Bennett" ] finally travelogued [] Re: birthday wishes [Mags N Brei ] Re: birthday wishes ["Stevie Mitchell" ] Fwd: jaco pastorius [Aerchak@aol.com] re: john gorka, njc [Alison E ] Re: native peoples in the us NJC [Alison E ] Re: native peoples in the us NJC [Alison E ] RE: native peoples in the US NJC [Alison E ] SNFU song about joni [Alison E ] bittersweet ["Mark Connely" ] Re: live njc [colin ] Re: native peoples in the US NJC ["RSM" ] Re: bittersweet NJC (Pirates) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: anastasia [Aerchak@aol.com] RE: john gorka, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius [Randy Remote ] Sire/String [rosst@union.edu] Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius ["chuty001" ] Re: REview of T and MATW [Bobsart48@aol.com] messagefromamerica.com [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] RE: bittersweet ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: native peoples in the US NJC ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:50:32 +0000 From: colin Subject: live njc with discussion of war, not knowing how far that will go,it becomes more and more important that we each live in the now and really make the most of what we have. None of us know how long we have. Someone of my aquaintance has a 30 year old daughter who is terminally, she has two very young children. John's sister is terminally ill. If we are lucky, we are getting older and one day will not be here. Don't wait for that new job, to lose that weight, for that special someone, for that baby, for that dream home, for that contract, for that money, for that guru, for that answer....BE HAPPY NOW. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:03:48 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: OK njc we all moved to another address. did no one tell you? Catherine McKay wrote: >Where'd everybody go? Hmm. You'd think it was >Christmas or something. > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:11:34 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: birthday wishes Happy Birthday, Wally. And if it's your birthday, it must be time for another drink. - --Chris Marshall (getting into the spirit of things, literally) chris@hatstand.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:36:17 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: birthday wishes NJC In a message dated 12/27/02 12:22:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, frasere@intergate.ca writes: > to the greatest birthday fairy in the world: > > Wally, > > Yes Walter, you have a wonderful day. You deserve the best! love, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: birthday wishes --- frasere@intergate.ca wrote: > to the greatest birthday fairy in the world: > > Wally, > > the happiest of birthdays to you- here's hoping that > all you dream and wish for > come true. Enjoy your special day. > > love > Stephen in Vancouver Does Wally K have birthdays? He's ageless - he's timeless - he's the B*I*R*T*H*D*A*Y F*A*I*R*Y! Wally, dearest, may all your dreams come true (only the good ones.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:01:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: OK njc Hey - quit messin' with my paranoia! --- colin wrote: > we all moved to another address. did no one tell > you? > > Catherine McKay wrote: > > >Where'd everybody go? Hmm. You'd think it was > >Christmas or something. > > ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:13:12 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: NPR -- Travelogue I heard that there was a Travelogue critique on National Public Radio at 6:55 (EST) last night. It was done by a writer for the Wall Street Journal. I didn't hear it but I understand it was both hot and cold. My friend told me that he remembers the writer saying that this was Joni's last CD and if it was intended to be an overview of her work, it "sagged under the weight of her career." He also said certain of the scores were too grandiose for songs which were originally intended to be simple; other songs were appropriately scored to be bigger than life. Did anyone hear this review? My friend (actually my lover) only pays close attention if it has something to do with eating! Peace to all in the New Year, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:26:58 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #590/ Herb Ritt's beautiful photo of joni The gorgeous photo of Joni leaning up against the tree (by Herb Ritts) that graces the cover of the lyrics book was originally in a commemorative Rolling Stone that had all wonderful photographs of great musicians. I saved that magazine for years. It was on a table in the bathroom. Eventually one of my animals did something (use your imagination) to it, and then I was moving, so I threw it out. I should have kept in a safer place but guests really enjoyed looking at it. Anyway, does anyone know the exact date/reference of that issue? What sad and shocking news about Herb Ritts' death. One just never knows. Some woman is on CNN. I'm pretty sure a cloned baby has just been born healthy. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:27:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Christmas snowstorm NJC Hi Andrea, Yeah, snowstorms in upstate New York can be awesome. I had forgotten the "quiet". Yah. There's a stillness that's a little like how I feel when I stare at the ocean. Thanks for the reminder. Lama Andrea said, > I live in Saratoga Springs, NY and we had the biggest Christmas snowstorm > ever. >By 3:30, it was a white-out. It's > beautiful, quiet. I didn't have to deal with anymore family > christmas stuff. > I could just stay home, cozy and warm with my pups. That's my kind of > Christmas. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:33:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Birthdays, njc I guess I've missed a couple of birthdays. Congratulations Bob Muller. Your generosity with this band of people continues. I sometimes wonder how you find the time, along with the successful career. Gregg Cagno, happy birthday. If I were you, I'd try to spend some time on the "Present Moment" and leave that crazy New England winter for awhile. If I missed anyone, just know that I'm glad you're here. Lama Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:35:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: birthday wishes, njc Happy birthday, Wally. I hope you can stay out of harm's way in Argentina. Lama Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Herb Ritts If I recall Mister Ritts made the photo of Joni standing, barefoot, under the dangling vines. The one I'm thinking of is the cover of the "Complete Poems and Lyrics" book. (It's too bad we can't buy that one as a poster! It makes a nice wallpaper for my home PC though. Thanks, Les.) Ritts was a very successful fashion photographer. He worked for Vogue for example. Oh.... to shoot Claudia Schiffer in Hawaii. Lama Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:45:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Birthdays, njc In a message dated 12/27/2002 9:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@yahoo.com writes: > Congratulations Bob Muller. Your generosity with this > band of people continues. I sometimes wonder how you > find the time, along with the successful career. > Well thanks Jim...my birthday was 3 months ago, but hey I try and live my life like every day is a holiday so what's a birthday? :~) All a birthday means is that you didn't die. As far as finding time, I subscribe to the notion that we always have time to do the things we REALLY want to do. When someone tells me they don't have time, all they are really telling me is that neither me nor the activity in question is of any priority. But anyway, as Eeyore would say..."thanks for noticing me..." Bob NP: Joni, "Hissing of Summer Lawns" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:15:54 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: birthday wishes njc Dear Wally All the best to you darling! Have a great day! Missing you and sending you love & kisses! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:31:06 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: NPR -- Travelogue You can listen to the review here. It's more cold than hot. http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=891774 At 09:13 AM 12/27/02 -0500, you wrote: >I heard that there was a Travelogue critique on National Public Radio at 6:55 >(EST) last night. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:16:27 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: live njc colin, Sorry to hear of the serious illnesses within your circle. I believe in living in the 'here and now', too. What you say is true, life is so fragile, and as far as we know, a one shot deal. But I also embrace the Native American notion that it is wise to consider the next seven generations when considering the outcome of your (or our) actions. One day we will not be here, but our actions as individuals, as well as nations will still be felt. RR "short sighted businessman nothing lasts for long" colin wrote: > with discussion of war, not knowing how far that will go,it becomes more > and more important that we each live in the now and really make the most > of what we have. > None of us know how long we have. Someone of my aquaintance has a 30 > year old daughter who is terminally, she has two very young children. > John's sister is terminally ill. If we are lucky, we are getting older > and one day will not be here. > > Don't wait for that new job, to lose that weight, for that special > someone, for that baby, for that dream home, for that contract, for that > money, for that guru, for that answer....BE HAPPY NOW. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:47:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: birthday wishes hear hear! ...or is it here here! anyway, to wally happy happy birthday & may your year be a wonderful one... >>to the greatest birthday fairy in the world:<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:48:05 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Herb Ritts how shocking & sad, what a major talent he was... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:48:20 -0600 From: Subject: finally travelogued After *listening to* the onlist furor since Joni's new CD came out, I finally picked it up in Saskatoon the other day while doing the last of my Christmas shopping. I put it in the player at my friend's house in the city, but too much noise and conversation was a distraction so I turned it off and waited till we got home. Drink in hand, probably a smoke, soft lighting, my lover's head on my shoulder, I listened as the CD-player randomly chose a track from Travelogue. I did not know what to expect, after all the previous criticism, but the song (I forget what it was already) knocked my socks off. Wow. The arrangements were powerfully affecting, and Joni's voice was her own (which I appreciate as a lush, warm and lovely one), and I thought "She has created something unique and beautiful again" and being overwhelmed by the majesty of it. Frankly, I was astounded. Kindof awestruck. The song that followed, I liked less because it had a too-regular, long-lasting drumbeat for my taste. I have yet to listen through the two discs from start to finish, what with the holiday bringing with it all the visitors and visiting and everything else. Tracks have been randomly played throughout the days since we've been home, and I like what she's done. Joni has impressed me, as usual. I am looking forward to two straight hours of listening to the songs in their proper order and getting the full intended effect of Travelogue. I can't always say why I love Joni's music, just that I do. Sigh. My .02. Kate du Nord ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:48:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: birthday wishes joining in the chorus, precious Wallistah brother of our heart and soul... to the charming, sweetNsexy birthday faerie *********** may all your dreams come twue. ;-) love and tonnes of hugs, magshushkulah and le duque ;-) xoxoxooxoxoxoxxo frasere@intergate.ca wrote:to the greatest birthday fairy in the world: Wally, the happiest of birthdays to you- here's hoping that all you dream and wish for come true. Enjoy your special day. love Stephen in Vancouver You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:28:53 -0000 From: "Stevie Mitchell" Subject: Re: birthday wishes Many Happy Retrns Wally Stevie x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:47:01 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Fwd: jaco pastorius Return-path: From: Aerchak@aol.com Full-name: Aerchak Message-ID: <24.32ebfaa4.2b3e079d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:44:29 EST Subject: jaco pastorius To: kimerer@taconic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Is Jaco Pastorius dead? Who's the Asian guy in military uniform that joni did a portrait of in T'logue. And who's that black woman? How was dinner last night? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: re: john gorka, njc hi kate, mags, et. al, about a month or so before i moved from new york, before 9/11 obviously, i went to see john gorka play a free concert on the plaza at the world trade center. they used to do a bunch of after work free concerts down there. it had been awhile since i'd seen him live, and i was really excited. of course, because it's new york and there's always someone cool in town, lucy kaplansky got up on stage and sang a few songs with him. (she, like jonatha brooke and shawn colvin, got her start singing backup for john and cliff eberhardt and others). it was just a great performance, but that song--Let Them In-- was a showstopper. the crowd was just silent and it was really a magical performance. of course, now when i look back at it, it has special meaning. alison e. in slc. np: wumb online. ps: mags, if you don't know cliff eberhardt or richard shindell that's a whole other discussion.... ;-) KATE BENNETT WROTE: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:17:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: john gorka njc I decided to post these lyrics but really you have to hear the beautifulmusic & his soul stirring voice singing them...the lyrics were written by anurse who i think took care of soldiers but i can't recall which war or howjohn came by these lyrics...anyway he set them to music & asi mentioned,the song is on his latest release, The Company You Keep... Let Them In Let them in, Peter, they are very tired Give them couches where the angels sleep and light those fires Let them wake whole again, to brand new dawns Fired with the sun, not wartime's bloody guns May their peace be deep, remember where the broken bodies lie God knows how young they were, to have to die God knows how young they were, to have to die Give them things they like, let them make some noise Give roadhouse bands, not golden harps, to these our boys And let them love, Peter, 'cause they've had no time They should have trees and birds' songs and hills to climb A taste of summer in a ripened pear and girls sweet as meadow winds with flowing hair Tell them how they are missed and say not to fear It's gonna be alright with us down here Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:05:54 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: native peoples in the us NJC - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > Re: Islam versus the West njc > [sl.m@shaw.ca] SARAH wrote: > How has the USA participated in the genocide of its >native peoples >within recent living memory? What are you thinking >of exactly? i know i'm a little behind on digests, sarah, but are you fucking SERIOUS with this comment? the US has NEVER STOPPED the genocide of its native peoples in this country. i don't know where you live, but you oughta take a visit to the west, cause i got five tribes worth of eye openin' fer ya. i'm so blown over by that statement i can't believe it. alison e. in slc, utah, former home of the utes, navajo, shoshone, piute, goshute ( a tribe now contemplating storing nuclear waste on their land for money, cause the goddamn mormons won't let em have a casino...yeah, things are just great on the res...) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:06:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: native peoples in the us NJC __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: native peoples in the US NJC - --- JMDL Digest wrote: > Re: Islam versus the West njc > [sl.m@shaw.ca] SARAH wrote: > How has the USA participated in the genocide of its >native peoples >within recent living memory? What are you thinking >of exactly? i know i'm a little behind on digests, sarah, but are you fucking SERIOUS with this comment? the US has NEVER STOPPED the genocide of its native peoples in this country. i don't know where you live, but you oughta take a visit to the west, cause i got five tribes worth of eye openin' fer ya. i'm so blown over by that statement i can't believe it. alison e. in slc, utah, former home of the utes, navajo, shoshone, piute, goshute ( a tribe now contemplating storing nuclear waste on their land for money, cause the goddamn mormons won't let em have a casino...yeah, things are just great on the res...) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:19:30 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: SNFU song about joni hey chuck, i remember when this came up a while back...and i have heard it! it's actually a good song. i shouldn't say that that way, i actually like SNFU. i didn't know they were canadian though... i've seen them a few times live, albeit more than a decade ago. i used to be into punk, back in the early days of fun skater punk, like descendents and SNFU and dagnasty, and when the chili peppers were good... anyway, you should all listen to it. i think victor had heard it too, i vaguely remember talking to him about it... anyway, happy new year! alison e. in slc, breaking a record for posts today. but i don't want chuck to go unanswered! np: radio paradise > JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 24 2002 > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:05:38 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Canadian punk I posted earlier this week about SNFU doing a song about listening to Mitchell and asked if anybody had heard it. No reply. So if anyone is actually interested in hearing a Canadian punk band acknowledge Joni let me know and I'll see about getting it up to my site. Chuck Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:16:33 -0800 From: "Mark Connely" Subject: bittersweet Wow. I haven't heard Rickie Lee Jones' Pirates in so many years. What a rush. It hit me in the belly. Isn't this one of the best albums ever? Remember the last track? the returns music and lyrics by Rickie Lee Jones ...but after all there are such things and these are the things who'll turn your memories back into dreams again Oh, it's all flying and waving for you to keep trying you're so close. So close. all the returns one of these days, one of these days, one of these days, one of these days. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:32:04 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: live njc > life is so fragile, and as far as we know, a one shot deal. > I don't know whetehr or not it is one shot. i don't think it matters that much. I am sure as i can be tho that our life does not end with the death of our body. and if i am wrong about that, it won't matter. >But I also embrace the Native American notion that it is wise >to consider the next seven generations when considering the >outcome of your (or our) actions. One day we will not be here, >but our actions as individuals, as well as nations will still be felt. > too right. i think everything we do and think has an effect on everything else. now and in the future. People can get very hung up on their 'thoughts' when trying to become 'more spiritual', for want of a better phrase. They start to feel guilty for the thoughts come into their minds. I defy anyone to think a spiritual thought when they stub their toe. the fleeting thoughts are not what is important, it is the constant thoughts, our beliefs about ourselves and others and our world that fashion our lives and those of others. The thought that those who are different from us are worth less than us is a very common thought and look where that leads-to the lnyching of black people in the USA,to the execution of Matthew Shepherd, the destruction of millions of people in WW2-jews, homosexuals,handicapped, gypsies, the slaughter of one tribe by another in Africa, the current situations worldwide. (this thought is not confined to one religion or race or nationality) The belief that only our ideas are good and that other ideas are evil. The idea that only our idea of God is correct and all other ideas of God are evil. All these thoughts have repercussions-not just for the thinker but for all of us. Equally our thoughts of love and inclusion have repercussions for the thinker and for all of us. Everything will change as we change our thoughts. It really is that simple. Simple does not mean eays though. Changing thoughts, our beliefs, can be agony. It will require us to question the ideas we were given by our families, the ideas given to us at school, the ideas given to us by society. It may cause us to feel, and be treated, like an outsider. To be part of a group, one's thoughts have to be in harmony. If one questions those thoughts and comes to a different set of ideas, then one will be ousted-maybe totally but certainly to some degree. It can be very lonely. Being one's own thinker, being responsible for one's own thoughts is often painful and brings with it stuff we don't want. we all want to be liked, to be loved and to be respected and often to achieve this we are not true to ourselves and thus hate and disrespect ourselves. the price we pay to 'belong' is often far too high. Even on the personal level, in love affairs, people can lose sight of themselves like in these lines form an old Carly song: I'll be a queen, a foul mouthed marine, your mary magdalen, to please you'. But not just in romance but in friendships, in work, in creativity, people lose themselves in their eagerness to please others, to have the approval of others,which even when they have it, does not fill them up because they don't approve of themselves. Over the thousands of years of our history we have not just passed on our genes to the next generation, but also our thoughts, our beliefs, our love, our hate, our pain and our fear. The more we work on ditching our pain and fear and beliefs that don't work, the more we work on replacing these things with positivity, with joy, with love, the more the next generations will benefit. And it isn;t just those who breed who do this. It is all of us. We all inform the next generation regardless of whether or not we also gave them our DNA. The tragedy for the human race lies in our belief that we are not worthy, not good enough, and thus we believe our self is at risk of annihilation. So, spurned on by this fear, we develop thought processes that are painful, that harm-not just ourselves but others. We grasp for power, for fortune, for we believe these things will makes us whole when all the grasping does is fragment us even more. We deny ourselves compassion, acceptance, love - the very things we want and need to feel whole. Even those of us who think we eschew power and fortune, who seek this wholeness thru giving to others, by being caretakers, are just as lost and empty if we do these things not thru real caring but to fill the gaping hole within. 'maybe if i do good things, i will feel good'. Self knoweldge is the key-a real undersatanding of what we think and believe and do-and WHY. True, a painful journey, but also a glorious one. Probably not a journey that will end. i believe that no matter our errors, it will all work out, we will get to heaven, nirvana, to peace. eventually. As i believe we are eternal beings, time really is on our side. And even if your(generic your ) world view does not encompass a continuation of identity after physical death, that is not an excuse for staying put. >RR >"short sighted businessman >nothing lasts for long" > >colin wrote: > > > >>with discussion of war, not knowing how far that will go,it becomes more >>and more important that we each live in the now and really make the most >>of what we have. >>None of us know how long we have. Someone of my aquaintance has a 30 >>year old daughter who is terminally, she has two very young children. >>John's sister is terminally ill. If we are lucky, we are getting older >>and one day will not be here. >> >>Don't wait for that new job, to lose that weight, for that special >>someone, for that baby, for that dream home, for that contract, for that >>money, for that guru, for that answer....BE HAPPY NOW. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:38:03 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: native peoples in the US NJC I hate to weigh in on these political diatribes, but would you really equate denial of permission to run a casino with genocide? Certainly it could be called racism or economic oppression. I think that the term "genocide" should be limited to the kind of mass murder, either directly or indirectly, by a government or sanctioned by a government. I do not believe that I have seen heard of this happening in my lifetime regarding native Americans. Not to quibble with mistreatment, benign neglect etc. Ron Los Angeles - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison E" To: Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: RE: native peoples in the US NJC | --- JMDL Digest wrote: | > Re: Islam versus the West njc | > [sl.m@shaw.ca] | | SARAH wrote: | | > How has the USA participated in the genocide of its | >native peoples | >within recent living memory? What are you thinking | >of exactly? | | i know i'm a little behind on digests, sarah, but | are you fucking SERIOUS with this comment? | the US has NEVER STOPPED the genocide of its native | peoples in this country. i don't know where you live, | but you oughta take a visit to the west, cause i got | five tribes worth of eye openin' fer ya. | i'm so blown over by that statement i can't believe | it. | alison e. in slc, utah, former home of the utes, | navajo, shoshone, piute, goshute ( a tribe now | contemplating storing nuclear waste on their land for | money, cause the goddamn mormons won't let em have a | casino...yeah, things are just great on the res...) | Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. | http://mailplus.yahoo.com | | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:38:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: bittersweet NJC (Pirates) In a message dated 12/27/2002 7:17:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, hencon@sonic.net writes: > Isn't this one of the best albums ever? > It is...probably in my top ten of all time. So many different emotions...the highs & lows, the joyful songs (Woody & Dutch), the cryptic anthems (Traces of the Western Slope), melancholia too. Remind me a lot of Court & Spark in that regard. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:51:00 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Fwd: anastasia Return-path: From: Aerchak@aol.com Full-name: Aerchak Message-ID: <6b.59bb14a.2b3e5d19@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:49:13 EST Subject: anastasia To: clarissaaward@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Dearest Clarissa, I believe that my beloved greyhound, Anastasia, reincarnation of Michael Erchak, your most precious and beloved grandfather, is dieing ( I never know how to spell that death word correctly, is it dying?, yes it is, I think). I have decided against bringing her to the emergency clinic. She is not suffering or vomiting and she survived the 8 pound tumor removal last year. Last week when Gerald was here he said," I've never seen Ana do this". She was pawing him. It takes a while to know greyhounds. It comes at an odd time, yet not so odd considering..... I talked to my mother (your grandmother) today at your mother's persistence. After my "mother" called me back as she so inevitably does, I said "here we are again", why doesn't your mum get it AT ALL. And then Ana got sick which I had been noticing and I remember my my father saying there is nothing you can do. There is a Joni Mitchell song "Nothing Can Be Done" which rings true. I can guarentee you that you will go into your next celebrated year on the planet with a great introduction and hopefully lifelong appreciation for Joni Mitchell. For those of us that were lucky enough to grow up with her and have her as an inregral part of our lives, we were blessed, but believe you me, do a little research and you will see that Joni Mitchell is and will be one of the greatest composers, songwriters,musicians, guitarists,vocalists and all time incredible artists of our time and all time. I love you, Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:52:06 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: john gorka, njc alison wrote "i went to see john gorka play a free concert on the plaza at the world trade center. they used to do a bunch of after work free concerts down there...but that song--Let Them In-- was a showstopper. the crowd was just silent and it was really a magical performance. of course, now when i look back at it, it has special meaning.<< wow...what an incredible experience & indelible memory...i was inspired to learn that song today & it literally took me about 25 run throughs before i could get through the whole song without sobbing... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:10:08 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > Is Jaco Pastorius dead? Yes. He slumped into cocaine addiction, became a street person in Florida, and sadly, died. > Who's the Asian guy in military uniform that joni did > a portrait of in T'logue. dunno > And who's that black woman? dunno > How was dinner last > night? fantastic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:22:18 -0500 From: rosst@union.edu Subject: Sire/String coincidence maybe: I wrote String of Sorrow recently, which has a deep debt to W S Merwin and black preaching: [chorus] O string of sorrow sing for nobody yesterday and tomorrow sing short or long O string of sorrow sing for nobody yesterday and tomorrow anybody's song [verse] what others may play you sound on your own now grieving, now gay invisible one root of a part that nobody planned fingered by heart and an unseen hand [chorus] [verse] gutcord spanning beginning and end pass understanding enemy, friend the joys that bear you no one can explain and the tears that hear you no one can restrain [chorus] this tune comes off simpler than I usually write: delta-bluesy, slow 3 beats. similarity to the Joni lyric? Tom R - ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:58:54 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: jaco pastorius > Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > > > Is Jaco Pastorius dead? > > Yes. He slumped into cocaine addiction, became a street person > in Florida, and sadly, died. > > > Who's the Asian guy in military uniform that joni did > > a portrait of in T'logue. > > dunno > Do mean the picture of Colin Powell ? I know he's not asian but... > > And who's that black woman? > > dunno > > > How was dinner last > > night? > > fantastic > Which one I had three? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:08:21 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: REview of T and MATW Bob M posted > "the writer Joe Vanderford combined a review of Rachel Z's "Moon At The > Window" in with his T'log review." > > Thanks for the review, Bob. A very thoughtful and considered job, > regardless of the extent to which we might agree or disagree. This is what > good reviewing is about, IMO. I got no sense that this was a first > impression. Nice touch with the juxtaposition against the Rachel Z CD, too. > Right on the ball. > > Happy Holidays back at y'all :-) Bob S PS - I saw a 1/3 page ad for T in this week's Time Magazine. Price was right, no doubt :~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:26:16 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: messagefromamerica.com [NJC] did I just hear and watch a tv commercial sponsored by Circuit City and the Department of Defense? using Joni's "River"? to solicit messages to "our boys" who can't be home for christmas...? they direct you to: http://www.messagefromamerica.com . . . why oh why would anyone sell the rights to this song to the US military? Richard in San Francisco n.p. Kennedy Center Honors - Liz Taylor gets serenaded by the Washington DC Gay Men's Chorus "There Is Nothing Like A Dame" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:29:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: bittersweet the returns is probably the greatest masterpiece ever written (all right, you all know my tendency to hyperbole). but that voice, that voice... when she says the second ''so close'' you think she's about to break into a million pieces. long before i had a cd player, i made a tape of rickie's most melancholy songs: on saturday afternoons in 1963 after hours skeletons the returns deep space i recorded them in that sequence over and over, on both sides of the tape. of course, nowadays i just program and press repeat. try it if you dare. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mark Connely Enviado el: Viernes, 27 de Diciembre de 2002 09:17 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: bittersweet Wow. I haven't heard Rickie Lee Jones' Pirates in so many years. What a rush. It hit me in the belly. Isn't this one of the best albums ever? Remember the last track? the returns music and lyrics by Rickie Lee Jones ...but after all there are such things and these are the things who'll turn your memories back into dreams again Oh, it's all flying and waving for you to keep trying you're so close. So close. all the returns one of these days, one of these days, one of these days, one of these days. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:26:20 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: native peoples in the US NJC Hi Ron, The subject of Native Americans interests me greatly (but I have no want to get into a diatribe! ;-) I've had a lifelong interest in the local California tribes, particularly with regard to those who lived on the Calif. Channel Islands. Back in the 80s I took an incredible course on "American Indian History" (that's what it was called at the time) from a brilliant professor who is one of the world's leading scholars on the history of the natives of North, Central and South America. She really opened my eyes to some of the real history that most U.S. school children are never taught. I agree that "genocide" is a strong word and also equate the term with systematic mass murder of a particular group of people. I did, however, walk away from that course with the feeling that historically some in the U.S., in their push westward in the 1800s, did contribute to some unintentional genocide of many of the native groups. As the settlers and adventurers pushed westward they often deliberately pushed the natives off their lands to lands that no one else wanted (mostly the bleak and harsh areas of the western U.S. where it was most difficult to grow crops and survive) My professor used to say that in the end the Native Americans got the last laugh by owning land on western reservations which are enormously rich in uranium and other strategic metals. The Spanish advernturers and missionaries in California often did more harm than good to the native tribes, bringing in foreign diseases and conscripting them to labor as serfs for the crown and church. The missionaries, however, sometimes had good, if not always wise, intentions toward the California tribes. By rescuing many of them from the islands they saved (or tried to save) many of them from the Russian fur traders who were often truly committing genocide against the island tribes in order to have no competition in their monopoly of the seal and otter populations. At any rate, the course was one of the most fascinating I've ever experienced and it left me wishing that more people in the U.S. could learn more about the Native American history. I assume that the tribes in Utah are being prevented from opening casinos because of the Mormon religion there disapproves of gambling. You may be familiar with the fight here in Calif. a few years ago with regard to letting the tribes have "Las Vegas style" gambling. The Federal government was fighting them on it because they supposed that the Mafia would then infiltrate the reservations. I was squarely on the side of the tribes on that one and was happy that they eventually won the fight. The tribes are supposed to have many sovereign rights on the reservations. In many real and legal senses the reservations are their own "countries" within the U.S. They are exempt from certain laws that govern the rest of the U.S. I've always thought they should have a right to have any kind of gambling or other enterprises they choose and the government should butt out. They have been neglected and lived in poverty too long and should be allowed to prosper as best they can. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #591 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)