From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #589 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 26 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 589 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Islam versus the West njc ["Nikki Johnson" ] Christmas snowstorm NJC [Aerchak@aol.com] RE: Christmas snowstorm NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today's Library Links: December 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] njc to colin [cul heath ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:56:19 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Islam versus the West njc Islam actually allows for other religions to practice their religion and for those who do not follow Islam to reach God so I think that makes it easy to not force it on others. It is also suggested men cover. If you look at what is at the heart of covering it is modesty. Also, killing is prohibited unless attacked and necessary in self defense. A lot of people (Both Muslim and non-Muslim) take the idea of Jihad as waging a physical war. There is much evidence in the Quran that the Jihad is an inner war, not an external one, with yourself to follow the path to God. I guess that much of what you talk about is again, what is played out, and not how I and many others interpret the religion. And, I suppose it is those who interpret it differently that have power and are the loudest. Also, it seems as if when you talk about responsibility that it is very important to take responsibility for your own actions. That is also stressed in Islam. I guess I am replying just to say that you mention a few common things that people say and when you actually look and study what is in the Quran it is not necessarily what you have heard about it or have seen people on TV act. Love Nikki > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of colin > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 9:57 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Islam versus the West njc > > > > but > >I have experienced the stares of Americans from having my hair covered > > > I have no problem with people following their beliefs until they start > to force it upon others. > I also understand that islam does teach about human rights etc. > However, I find it it difficult to marry this with the idea that women > must cover themselves. If men had to as well, that would put it in a > different context. > > Mind you, Islam is not the only one. Catholic women should cover their > hair in church. certain Jewish women cover their hair by wearing a wig, > which is quite absurd.(it is also stated in the New Testament that women > should be quiet in church too whcih certainly counts out female > envangelsts etc but little deatils like that never did get in the way of > fundy thinking) > > All three faiths, Xtian, Muslim and Jewish have killed(and still do) in > the name of their God, the irony of which seems to escape all of them. > Although, when one reads the bible at least, it is not surprising > people(who floow that system) think it is okay to kill for their God. > > It is sick, to say the least, that these fundy types are so eager to see > Armageddon, to have their sick fantasies and visions fulfilled. Only a > twisted human could have such an idea of God, made in their image. For > truly the God they speak of is but their idea, based on the negative of > man's nature-vengeance, jealousy, vanity, cruelty, conditional love > (which is an oxymoron). Although I would argue that these things are not > really man's nature but the result of fear. > I think we as human beings are capable of so much more, have far more > power than we believe we have, and in fact are afraid of it. So we > abidicate our repsonsibilty, instill fear into our children(that is > where the rot starts) and blame God or the devil for our ills. > > I believe what Jesus is supposed to have said: 'the kingdom of heaven is > within' and that god dwells within us, not without us. It follows that > we can never be separate from god, except in our thinking. The only > 'unforgivebale sin' is that of a closed mind. A closed mind cannot be > changed. > > The world is such a mess today because we all look outside of ourselves > to find the answers. We think that education will solve everything. We > even think we know how to solve the problems-by getting others to > chnage! We really have not evolved in our thinking despite all the > evidence that shows our thinking is crap! > > And those puffed with pride(and inwardly shaking with fear) sneer at > those who offer peace and not killing as an alternative. > The meek really will inherit the earth. And no meek does not mean > doormat, nor does it mean the firghtened ones who let the enemy walk > over them. It means those who are free in their minds, who have open > minds, who do not succomb to fear and pride and passion, who do not > grasp tightly to their inflated ideas of themselves and what they think > The Truth is. Meekness is a virute, not a weakness. it is the ability to > think without prejudice, without pride, without fear. the ability to > change. Those of us that are always right are condemed to suffer the > consequences. > > The world needs more meek people. As it is it is in a mess ebcause of > those who think they are right beyond doubt and because the rest of us > are too scared or self involved to do anything about it. > > If we really want peace, then we will bring it about within ourselves > first. if we reallyt want peace, we will let go of the need to be right. > It seems being right is worht more to most of us than peace. > > I belive we as human beings have what it takes to live in peace, to > always have postive regard for eachother, to truly love oneanother. > I believe we can conquer our fear. > we either live in love or in fear. the choice is ours. > > bw > colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:34:31 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Christmas snowstorm NJC I live in Saratoga Springs, NY and we had the biggest Christmas snowstorm ever. I went over to my family's around one for brunch and presents. It was flurrying. By 3:30, it was a white-out. I went home to care for the dogs. It was falling 4 inches per hour. The next thing I know I let the dogs out and my pug becomes invisible and my greyhounds are up to their chests. Needless to say I decided not to go back over to my family's (which is only a mile). I guess we'll have over 2 feet when it's through. I was ecstatic. It's beautiful, quiet. I didn't have to deal with anymore family christmas stuff. I could just stay home, cozy and warm with my pups. That's my kind of Christmas. Peace, Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 02:42:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Christmas snowstorm NJC ooooooooooooohhhhhhhh how i envy you, andrea!!!! wallyK, missing a good snowstorm right now. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Aerchak@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 26 de Diciembre de 2002 02:35 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Christmas snowstorm NJC I live in Saratoga Springs, NY and we had the biggest Christmas snowstorm ever. I went over to my family's around one for brunch and presents. It was flurrying. By 3:30, it was a white-out. I went home to care for the dogs. It was falling 4 inches per hour. The next thing I know I let the dogs out and my pug becomes invisible and my greyhounds are up to their chests. Needless to say I decided not to go back over to my family's (which is only a mile). I guess we'll have over 2 feet when it's through. I was ecstatic. It's beautiful, quiet. I didn't have to deal with anymore family christmas stuff. I could just stay home, cozy and warm with my pups. That's my kind of Christmas. Peace, Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 02:08:29 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 26 On December 26 the following item was published: 1996: "Still Blue" - Houston Press (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=127 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:12:48 -0800 From: cul heath Subject: njc to colin colin, that was one great post ! cul I have no problem with people following their beliefs until they start to force it upon others.... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #589 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)