From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #579 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 21 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 579 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #578 -- Nonesuch, holidays, etc. [BRYAN8847@aol.co] How do you plan on living through the end? ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Nonesuch status? ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: Garret NJC [Chris Marshall ] Re: Peter Gabriel NJC [Chris Marshall ] living through the end ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: How do you plan on living through the end? [Chris Marshall ] Joni if the styles of the 40's and 50's? ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Best of 2002 lists ["michael o'malley" ] SNFU NJC ["chuty001" ] RE: NJC I'm feared ["Heather" ] Re: How do you plan on living through the end? [johnirving ] Re: travelogue progression [colin ] Re: How do you plan on living through the end? [AzeemAK@aol.com] RE: NJC I'm feared ["Wally Kairuz" ] Later njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: How do you plan on living through the end? [colin ] Re: How do you plan on living through the end?NJC [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: Karen Carpenter [Chorando6@aol.com] howgood is toogood? - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: sweetest voice choice njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: travelogue progression ["kakki" ] Re: Sweetest Voice Choice and JM ["Toni Remmers" ] Re: Sweetest Voice Choice and JM [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sweetest Voice Choice and JM ["Happy The Man" ] Another postcard from the road [Bruce Kimerer ] Mr Kratzman on Joni [Les Irvin ] RE: vet joke njc ["Heather" ] Re: How do you plan on living through the end? [Eric Taylor Maybe they're selling their stable. I think I > remember reading that Nonesuch is part of the > Warner/Electra/Asylum group so Atlantic is a > > - --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > > The Nonesuch Web site is offline, with a cryptic > > message saying there will be > > an update soon and to go to the Atlantic Records > > site for information on SOME > > of the Nonesuch artists, not including Joni. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:01:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: How do you plan on living through the end? loved your post john! >>Personally, I see T'log as brilliant, beautiful, daring, richly executed project that is wildly better than I ever imaged Joni set to Orchestra could be.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:01:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Travelogian progression i definately see t'log as forward because IMO she musically & emotionally reinterpreted her songs that made many of them quite relevant today...that is absolutely extraordinary to me... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:25:16 -0000 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: Nonesuch status? Lama, Atlantic and Nonesuch are *both* part of the Warner stable Bill From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Maybe they're selling their stable. I think I remember reading that Nonesuch is part of the Warner/Electra/Asylum group so Atlantic is a competitor. Lama - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:25:35 -0800 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Garret NJC On Friday, Dec 20, 2002, at 10:16 US/Pacific, colin wrote: > Happy Birthday Garret. Sorry,i wouldhave sent you one of my private > Happy Birthday messages but do not have your addy. For anyone that wants to send birthday wishes to Garret, be aware that he's not on list right now, so you'll need to send messages direct: sproutulip@eircom.net I'll text him and remind him to look at his e-mail - he's been extremely busy studying for a big exam and completing a research project so hasn't been particularly online of late. - --Chris Marshall chris@hatstand.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:27:15 -0800 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel NJC On Friday, Dec 20, 2002, at 12:06 US/Pacific, PAUL PETERSON wrote: > The new Peter Gabriel album is magnificent Agreed - it's top notch stuff. Some shades of early Genesis now and again, not that that's a bad thing, and very "deep" musically. It's another one of those records that's impossible to place in any particular time period - it'll be ageless in a few years, I guarantee it. - --Chris Marshall chris@hatstand.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:30:59 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: living through the end wow. Thank you for articulating a lot of what I've been feeling. The greatest songwriter, indeed. I wonder if people our age (Joni's age) connect with the summing up aspect of the project more easily. I am incredibly grateful to have lived in her era, and in the era of all the other musical pathfinders that came out of the sixties and seventies. So much of that music still sounds as contemporary and timeless as it did then and continues to be discovered and appreciated by people who are the age now that we were then. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:31:02 -0800 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: How do you plan on living through the end? It's an interesting one, this. The knowledge that Joni may release no new material does make me somehow uncomfortable, but I have to remind myself that the bulk of my favourite material is from the 70s anyway: C&S, Hissing, Hejira and DJRD. So, in fact, without thinking of it, I've spent the last 8 or so years living through the end without really acknowledging the fact to myself. I do, however, hope to be proved wrong. - --Chris Marshall chris@hatstand.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:36:18 -0000 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: Nonesuch status? NJC Oops, meant to add. The site is still there for me and there looks like there's additions to the roster. I'm sure there werent that many before. Emmylou? Was Red Dirt Girl really on Nonesuch? And I'm positive the Magnetic Fields weren't listed before. They've also added the World Circuit label by the looks of it(Bueno Vista Social Club and associates) Strange - haven't heard about any of this. The only person I know who *has* signed to Nonesuch isn't listed (David Sylvian) MMMmmmm Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:36:32 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Joni if the styles of the 40's and 50's? I have to disagree with you here. In my opinion,these arrangements have nothing to do with the styles of the 40's and 50's. They are unique orchestral interpretations of music that never would have been produced during that era. If anything they are a synthesis of post romantic classical music trends of the 70's and 80's with jazz inflections and Joni's unusual melodic gift. I urge you to give the album a few more listens. There is stuff here that no one is doing in pop, jazz or classical music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:39:32 -0500 From: Subject: Aguillera/Lopez/ Twain (njc) It struck me today when I was browsing through Borders that, apart from very minor details, the album covers for Christine A, Jennifer L, and Shania T's new albums, are all exactly the same....white background, sexy pose in the center in white(not that there's anything wrong with that...) Thankfully though, Tori Amos "Scarlett..." was playing over the store and I quite liked what I heard. I'll have to add it to my list of albums to get. Victor in Atlanta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:45:47 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Best of 2002 lists I love this time of year when all the critics list their favorite manifestations of creativity and related events of the past year in their 10 best lists, be they theatre performances, rock concerts, cds, books, etc. We finally get to hear about all those obscure events we missed over the course of the past year. I was so proud to see this morning that TLOG made it on to two of Quebec City's music critics' !0 best lists. This is exceptional, especially in light of the fact that Joni is not well known in the francophone world, and the launch of her new work has been very discreet here, if not totally invisible! Sail on Joni ! Blessed are we for the return of the light. Merry soltice to you all, Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:30:05 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: SNFU NJC I've got this MP3 Labelled SNFU- Joni Mitchell tape 666 Says they're punk, though I think they sound like Tragically hip. Anybody heard It? I love the last line "Can't separate the man from his Joni tape" Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:34:11 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: NJC I'm feared i think balding men are sexy. heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:14 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC I'm feared I was doing some shopping at a department store this morning and ran into an old high school friend whom I hadn't seen in ages. She had her 6yr old daughter with her, and the little girl hid behind her Mom during our entire conversation. I tried to be friendly with the little girl, but she was afraid of me. Her mother apologized and said she was frightened by bald men. She chuckled, and said her daughter had "peladophobia" - the fear of bald people. She was kidding, but I had never heard of this phobia. I looked it up later on, and sure enough it is a fear. LOL So if any of you avoid me at Jonifest this year, you can just tell me you're peladophobic. Happy Weekend Everyone, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:00:01 -0600 From: johnirving Subject: Re: How do you plan on living through the end? > If you want to critique/defend Travelogue, then critique/defend it by its own > merit without any reference to "a pretty soprano voice" or to people who love > pretty soprano voices. I may be wrong but have people who love "Travelogue" > stopped listening to Joni's early recordings? Honestly, some of the people > who defend Travelogue so fervently and implore that they truly love Joni so > much, while putting down people who don't like > "Travelogue" seem to have little grace in my opinion. Victor, I apologise for my 'lack of grace' if I've shown that to you. I don't mean to put anyone down. Grace here is a matter of perspective. From the first day I joined this list over 2 years ago, I have read a myriad of posts regarding this or that recording artist. How wonderful their music is, how lovely the voice, the artistry. Endless gushing about this or that recording artist. And I sit there thinking, "Uggghhh. What aweful dreck. Does absolutely nothing for me." I respect Bob Muller to degrees he couldn't possibly, possibly imagine, but - God bless him- I wouldn't lend 10 seconds out of my day to 97% of what he listens to. For me, it would be of little grace to hear Bob say on-line, " Micha Anima's new cd is so lovely." and then for me to jump on-line and say, " Micha Anima's new cd just doesn't do anything for me." Bob doesn't need to hear that. So I've never said it. If there's a Joni cut on Ladies of the Canyon, Blue, you name it, that does nothing for me, absolutely no one on this list knows about it. Because someone on the list loves that song to death and I feel they don't need to hear me diss it. And if there were a Joni Mitchell album I didn't like, no one on this list would ever hear me say that either. For me, that's a matter of 'grace' and respect to those on the list who do. I stand firmly on the side of people listening to what they love: Love what you like. Like what you love. Don't like something? Move on. Find the things you like and love and love it to death. I couldn't be more thrilled that Bob has so much beautiful music to fill his life with. I will read and often enjoy any critique of Joni. negative or positive. But when you get to the part about "I" paired with "like", to be honest I don't give a rat's hairless behind what one doesn't like about Joni. I don't need to hear that. It's the spirit and body of the critique that holds my attention, not the bottom line. My question, "How do you plan on living through the end?" has nothing and everything to do with whether or not one likes T'log. As much as it probably seems that I'm saying, love it or leave it. That's not my question. That's not my point. My question is, in this passage of time, how will you cope with: -What is.-? It's like the old line, "Grant me the serenity..." I cannot change Joni's voice. It is what it is. And for some, her voice on T'log is in such a state that they can't listen to it. -So the thought crossed my mind, "Is this how the Joni journey ends for you???" That you've travelled this winding road and come to a point where you have to get off the track because her voice too painful to listen to?" It's not like she's going to run out to the Winn-Dixie and pick up a new voice. Time is not on her side. I could be deeply wrong looking at Joni as if she's got half a foot in the grave. But for the most part, I see her career as at its cusp. What we are left with now will be 'What is.' With what serenity will you embrace the last bit of a beautiful ride? Where will you put the now in relation to all that was? How do you deal with what is? That's my point. That's my question. Face the direction of something you love. j. (picturing Bob's wife hiding cd's she doesn't like hearing under the bed...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:56:05 EST From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: re:travelogue progression I so agree with these sentiments - I think Joni has done something quite new and of course original and I really think alot of people don't know really know what to do with it. I have read some very strange comments from critics and lay people. I think time will tell and most likely shine in this works favor. I am also sick of hearing about her voice. I personally have accepted it with open arms - I love the quality, the feminine darkness of it - it is bravura. very sexy, candle lit. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:00:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC I'm feared Heather wrote: >i think balding men are sexy. > >heather > > > me too! A 'high forehead', almost bald, completely bald, or bald top and shaved sides. But then I really like long hair too. But in the end it is in the eyes and smile. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:03:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: travelogue progression > I personally have accepted it with >open arms - I love the quality, the feminine darkness of it - it is bravura. >very sexy, candle lit. > can you imagine her singing TI or NRH or TTT with her young voice? Anyway, her voice changed years ago-on HOSL. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:04:22 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: How do you plan on living through the end? It's not a big deal to me. There are no artists I can think of who have done nothing but masterpieces. Joni is one of the greatest artists in popular music of the latter half of the 20th century - in fact the whole century, why not? And she has had a very long career, covering many bases, and with great differences in the reception her work has received. Like any fan, I've prized some albums over others. To me the 70s was her decade, and all of her great studio albums came out of that decade. I've always looked forward to her albums, as I have with David Bowie, Kate Bush, Jane Siberry, Richard Thompson and others. And as with many people, I have learned to temper my expectations. I enjoyed her 90s albums when they came out, but they didn't leave as much of a mark as her greatest work. The songwriting was simply not as good - there, I've said it! It doesn't mean she had become a bad songwriter; to me it did suggest that the flame of her genius was no longer burning as brightly as it once did, and I began to suspect that it never would. That's where I remain, but I haven't ruled out a spectacular return to form - after all, Dylan did it with Time Out Of Mind, against - surely - even steeper odds. As to her voice, for me the decline (OK, IMHO, but that's what I hear, no ifs or ands or buts) has been very slow, merging with the deepening and ageing process that most voices go through, albeit at very different rates. By the time TTT appeared, it was sounding very frayed, but it still worked for me - the dizzying descent in the chorus of Harlem in Havana is still a delicious moment. At that time, I could completely appreciate the argument that while her voice had lost out a lot in range, it still had enough horsepower to carry the songs, while it had gained a weight of experience and expressive ability. By the time BSN appeared, the balance was tipping over into critical. She just didn't have the pipes any more, and Vince Mendoza's arrangements blah blah blah... Travelogue? Well, all I can say is I'm very sorry! One slight paradox about my love of Joni, who is usually the first person I mention when people ask me about my favourite music: because I didn't start listening to her until the mid 80s, there has never been a year when a Joni album was my favourite of the year. Letting go is not hard for me, partly for this reason. There's never been a time when I've regarded her as the best *current* songwriter, if you know what I mean. That "title" has gone to Richard Thompson, Shawn Colvin, Jane Siberry, Aimee Mann, Ron Sexsmith, Neil Finn, Nick Cave, etc etc. Do I hope Joni will make another great record? Of course I do. Do I think she will? I doubt it. I'll live, I guess. Azeem in London NP: Buffy The Vampire Slayer - the rather amazing Musical edition - fantastic! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:25:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC I'm feared how very extraordinary!!!! i am exactly the opposite. i am outstandingly aroused by bald men, especially when they have a mustache. so that would make me a ... peladophile????? wallyK, who has always thought jimmy such a turn-on - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de FMYFL@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 20 de Diciembre de 2002 04:14 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: NJC I'm feared She chuckled, and said her daughter had "peladophobia" - the fear of bald people. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:27:51 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Later njc I don't know if Later with Jools Holland is known on the other side of the pond, but a Best Of has just been released on DVD and video; they showed about an hour's worth on BBC2 tonight, and it was superb. Massive Attack doing Karmacoma was stunning; Portishead's first appearance on telly with a spine-tingling Glory Box; Radiohead blowing the roof off with Paranoid Android; D'Angelo getting extremely jiggy; Robbie Williams really ripping into Angels, accompanied by Bonnie Raitt! Then there were wonderful turns from Nick Cave, PJ Harvey, The Hives, and lots more. Brilliant stuff, check it out if you can. Azeem in London NP: Still Buffy. This is a brilliant episode ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:28:58 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: How do you plan on living through the end? Everything and everyone changes. everything ends. everyone ends. the past has gone. the future is not here. all we have is NOW. Would I be upset if Joni didn't do another record? no. Would I be upset if Carly didn't do another record? No. Would I have been a few years ago? yes-back in the days when I still believed death was something that only happened to others and that I would live forever. When i became aware that I was getting older, that John was, that Joni was, that Carly was, that everyone was, and that the time to leave my place here is getting here more quickly. death is either the end or the beginning and nothing to be feared. but old age and disease and pain and suffering and loss are fearful. So do we let that fear spoil today? no. we put out music on and enjoy what is-what is now-what we have. There is no denying Joni has changed. I don't think those who don;t like the change are denying change and death. i don't think those who like the change are accepting death and change. for me, it has never been about Joni's voice. I just like her sounds, usually. her words and her music. The voice is just a vehicle. I am not explainign this very well. Yet my other fave singer has a voice that brings me out in goosebumps. the effect is different. in fact both singers couldn't be more different. The latter I can explain clearly why i like her so much. Joni i can't explain. I often wonder what it is I am enamoured by. shea appeals to my darker side for sure. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:41:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: vet joke njc a man makes his money from perfroming private circumcisions. he makes little purses out of them and sells them in a well heeled shop for #350(pounds). A woman who was interested complained anout the 350 price tag. ah, he said, but when you stroke it it turns into a suitcase' my vet is glaswegian and rather like billy connonly-always has a story to tell. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:04:37 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: How do you plan on living through the end?NJC Quoting AzeemAK@aol.com: "...was my favourite of the year. Letting go is not hard for me, partly > for this reason. There's never been a time when I've regarded her as the > best *current* songwriter, if you know what I mean. That "title" has gone to > > Richard Thompson, Shawn Colvin, Jane Siberry, Aimee Mann, Ron Sexsmith, Neil > > Finn, Nick Cave, etc etc." Ron Sexsmith!!! a nice Canadian boy from Mag's hometown of St. Catharines, Ontario. Nice that he is known overseas- his new release- Cobblesone Runway- is just fabulous. Elvis Costello, himself a brilliant songwriter, has said many times that Sexsmith is one of the best around today! best regards, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:20:22 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: Karen Carpenter My first awareness of death came when my dad bought tickets for us to see the Carpenters at the Palladium, The first cassette I ever bought was 'a song for you'. I was so in love with karen. It was a childhood crush and when the concert was cancelled because of her failing health i was gutted, i just didn't understand why until later. I believe there was a strangeness in Karen and Richards relationship and one that can be better understood if you have ever worked with a sibling ( I work with two of mine) In no way am i defending the chap that wrote the comments about Richards sexual predilictions however I do think there was an unspoken attatchment that contributed to karens distorted self image. We can only wonder what went on between the two of them. What can be stated is that both Richard and Karen had problems stemming from their relationship with one another. Her death is a great loss and i often wish she were still here, singing with that beautiful beautiful voice, a voice like no other. also for those that have'nt heard it its worth checking out Karen dueting with Ella on 'this masquerade'. Are we really happy with this lonely game we play, Looking for the right words to say Searching but not finding, understanding anyway we're lost in this masquerade, Both afraid to say we're just too far away from being close together from the start We tried to talk it over but the words got in the way We're lost inside this lonely game we play Thoughts of leaving disappear each time I see your eyes and no matter how hard i try to understand the reason why we carry on this way And we're lost in this masquerade. love to all Clive xx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:43:55 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: howgood is toogood? - njc It's about quarter to three in the morning in England right now and a special birthday boy may soon be checking his e-mail. Yes, your humble (snicker) birthday gnome is here to let everyone know that Saturday is Stephen Toogood's birthday! Happy birthday, Stephen! Your JMDL friends wish you all the best on this special day. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sweetest voice choice njc --- waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: > One of the sweetest voices I have heard in the past > year is Jen Hammel, > formerly of Texas Celtic band, Clandestine. How would you pronounce the name of her band, anyway? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:06:54 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: travelogue progression colin wrote: > Anyway, her voice changed years ago-on HOSL. Funny - I was saying that to someone a few weeks ago. That's when I went through my trauma with her vocal changes! I got past it to some extent but still mourned the changes a bit over the years. Strangely, to me her T-Log voice sounds like an improvement over past years. Yes, there are some aurally awkward moments, but overall I like what I am hearing. It may be because she is revisiting her old classics in a new way that I hear as very beautiful, so the vocal deterioration doesn't affect me as much. On another note - I have this, perhaps crazy, feeling that this is not the end of her music career. I really feel that she could come back in a few years with something quite awesome and original. Maybe this can happen if she can get past the bother and pressures of dealing with the ups and downs of the music biz and feel more unrestricted pure joy in creating. She *could* possibly defy conventional wisdom and do an indie project at some point. It is not impossible. I don't have a problem either way with this being the end or not. A great fantasy for the future is seeing her pop up and sing impromptu more from time to time in little cafes. I still read reports here in L.A. that she does this occasionally when the spirit hits her. Damn that I have missed those occasions! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:14:10 -0800 From: "Toni Remmers" Subject: Re: Sweetest Voice Choice and JM Hi, I'm new. Been lurking..not sure if I'm responding correctly (technically speaking, help!)..not too into discussion lists due to time restraints. I've loved Joni since I was 17 and that was a while ago (circa 1972) and there has been no other to ever touch her, but because I would describe her music's effect on me as "stroking my heart and soul", I would like to comment on a few other artists that have also done this for me to a large degree in recent years. One, in fact, helped me out of a long depression and inspired me to pull my guitar out of it's case after three years and find my own voice again. I have come to love deeply Shawn Colvin's music, as well as Patty Larkin's and Patty Griffin's. I've seen Patty G. and Shawn's mentioned here. They are not Joni and I know they would not claim to be, but I do think their talent is awesome. Just wanted to share. Thanks! Toni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:30:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sweetest Voice Choice and JM --- Toni Remmers wrote: > Hi, I'm new. Been lurking..not sure if I'm > responding correctly (technically > speaking, help!)..not too into discussion lists due > to time restraints. I've > loved Joni since I was 17 Toni loves Joni! Welcome to the list, Toni - I guess you responded correctly. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:40:44 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Sweetest Voice Choice and JM Love patty g, love shawn she is always willing to lend her talent to anyone when they pass through Austin (her and Neil Finn are awesome together. I like Miss Larkin too. Good to have you here. Peace to you. Joni paints such wonderful pictures. She is a artist like no other. Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Remmers" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Sweetest Voice Choice and JM > Hi, I'm new. Been lurking..not sure if I'm responding correctly (technically > speaking, help!)..not too into discussion lists due to time restraints. I've > loved Joni since I was 17 and that was a while ago (circa 1972) and there has > been no other to ever touch her, but because I would describe her music's > effect on me as "stroking my heart and soul", I would like to comment on a few > other artists that have also done this for me to a large degree in recent > years. One, in fact, helped me out of a long depression and inspired me to > pull my guitar out of it's case after three years and find my own voice again. > I have come to love deeply Shawn Colvin's music, as well as Patty Larkin's and > Patty Griffin's. I've seen Patty G. and Shawn's mentioned here. They are not > Joni and I know they would not claim to be, but I do think their talent is > awesome. Just wanted to share. Thanks! > > Toni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:45:51 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Joni in the movie Watched a movie with my kids last night. Don't even know the name. Teen flick from the last couple of years. Guy tells the girl about the great ones, three were mentioned somebody? Billie and Joni. Later on they show a scene with the girl painting herself into some album covers and one of the cover was Clouds. Pretty cool, the movie was okay. Hey anyone else out there love October Road! NP: Iona, Book of Kells (this would have been much better as the soundtrack for The Two Towers! Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:13:02 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Another postcard from the road I'm glad Joni sent us this latest missive from her nerverending journey. Whatever she has to say, I find worth hearing (even though I enjoy some things more than others -- but that's just my personal taste). T'log isn't the alpha or (I hope) the omega. It is what it is -- and I appreciate her generosity in giving it to us. I have a feeling that the last 2 albums have maybe been a way for her to sort through the past in order to have a clearer picture of what she wants to do in the future (it's hard for me to think an artist of her gifts would never compose again). Dylan did the same sort of thing in the early 90s -- and returned with Time Out of Mind. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:45:39 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Mr Kratzman on Joni Joniphiles - Just found an interesting article which interviews Mr Kratzman about his school days with Joni: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1038 Check it out. Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:25:58 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: vet joke njc LOL!!! I needed a good joke .... thanks. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of colin Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:42 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: vet joke njc a man makes his money from perfroming private circumcisions. he makes little purses out of them and sells them in a well heeled shop for #350(pounds). A woman who was interested complained anout the 350 price tag. ah, he said, but when you stroke it it turns into a suitcase' my vet is glaswegian and rather like billy connonly-always has a story to tell. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:08:13 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: How do you plan on living through the end? Debra wrote in response to John Irving's incredibly moving post: << Do you zealots really think that anyone who does not appreciate Joni's artistic explorations would bother to be on this list? You're not the only people who have stuck with Joni and appreciated her surprises for decades. The attitude that only people who love everything about T'log are true Joni fans and open to change, etc. is insulting. >> ZEALOTS??? Is that any less insulting than calling T'log fans "joni pod people"??? Geez, Debra, you've been on this list since I first joined in 1997 & should know a thing or two about flaming. There was nothing zealous about John's beautiful post! Perhaps you are blurring this with my comment a few days ago: *To me if a listener always skips over Paprika Plains when they play DJRD, they are not truly a Joniphile! Does this make me a Joni Fundamentalist???* I plead guilty to being a fervent Joni pod zealot. Now can you admit that you are an aging baby boomer wishing that everything was just like it was in the good old days? Last night I felt like slinking into lurkdom. Tonight I feel like just unsubscribing. I honestly don't understand why people get so bent out of shape over people sharing their heartfelt opinions. I totally understand why people wouldn't like T'log. This is the story of Joni's career ever since The Hissing Of Summer Lawns. What frustrates me even more is how dismissive so many seems to be about her increasingly gorgeous paintings. So many have been so critical of Joni wanting to give up music for her first love, painting. If we were really *true* fans, we wouldn't whine & totally support her artistic priority. Joni definitely has the potential to equal or even surpassing Van Gogh & O'Keeffe. How many Help Me die hards grasp the magnitude of Joni's post 70's artistic genius anyway? THIS IS NOT MEANT AS A PUT DOWN TO ANYONE. I'm just expressing my honest opinion. Dreading the hammers & the boards & the nails, ET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:06:47 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 21 On December 21 the following items were published: 1998: "Asner, Mitchell in anti-DreamWorks Documentary" - PRNewswire (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=246 1999: "Interview of Joni Mitchell" - KCSN-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=426 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #579 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)