From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #573 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 18 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 573 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Travelogue on the Shelf [Eric Taylor ] Holiday Mail and Cheesecake [r walker ] Re: shadesofscarlett [Eric Taylor ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #572/Joni's Christmas album [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: shadesofscarlett [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: For Free [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: For Free [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] JM (sample) on hip-hop compilation ? ["Moni Kellermann" ] Continuing sadness (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Continuing sadness (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] paprika plains [marian ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #572/Joni's Christmas album [Steve Polifka ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Continuing sadness NJC [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: Continuing sadness (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: JM (sample) on hip-hop compilation ? ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Don't let her swan song herslef! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Don't let her swan song herslef! [Little Bird ] Re: NJC-Cat (and dog) advice needed [colin ] Judy passionless??? NJC ["William Chavez" ] Joni FTR song book JC ["William Chavez" ] Re: Joni's voice [Eric Taylor ] Joan Osborne NJC ["William Chavez" ] meaning of things on the list NJC ["William Chavez" ] Mariah's boob job NJC ["William Chavez" ] Not important NJC ["William Chavez" ] Judy Collins/Laura Nyro ["William Chavez" ] Glenn Close NJC ["William Chavez" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:13:42 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Travelogue on the Shelf Laurent wrote: << As some JMDLers have pointed out, there are at least 2 redeeming qualities to T: 1. Joni's strange tunings played by an orchestra. Focusing on this kept me from falling asleep. 2. T is made for those who never heard Joni. Great, this way we'll come across as more "mainstream" and less "weird" when playing T as background music to non-admirers of the QUOMB. >> My #1. Joni's strange tunings have always kept me wide awake, no matter how increasingly subtile they get over the years. mY #2. i've always been dumbfounded that so many people don't appreciate the total genius of Ms Mitchell. If T'log is what it takes to turn on baby boomers to the greatest artist since Van Gogh, Walt Whitman & the Beatles combined, then so be it! It too often takes centuries for humanity to grasp pure genius. I am so happy to see our QUOMB finally begin to get the recognition that she is long overdue in receiving on all levels. Do you naysayers have any idea how petty & pop your complaints sound in the context of history??? Beam me up Scotty! TPS..... ET NP: 4 the Roses (finally we hear it 4 the first time) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:46:40 -0500 From: r walker Subject: Holiday Mail and Cheesecake Ev'ry year along about this time I get the urge to invite Joni to notify me when I have received new mail. Here's the site: http://www.florida-condo.com/xmas/river_mail.htm Happy Holidays! roger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:29:20 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: shadesofscarlett Someone wrote: << I am scared of Bjork's remake of The Boho Dance and will do everything in my power to never ever listen to it >> But don't you see? This is the very reason more people don't listen to Joni. Why do most people resist such innovation so much? I for one adore Bjork and actually most look forward to her interpretation of the Boho! I consider Bjork to be the only pop artist in the past 20 years to even begin to approach Joni's genius. Will we ever see a Joni tribute album? Is the reason it hasn't yet been released is because so many *famous* bands are pissed that they aren't included on it? I prefer to believe that Joni composed Travelogue to demonstrate how she can still interpret her classics better than any top pop star out there. & I couldn't agree more! ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:32:54 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #572/Joni's Christmas album Are you kidding about "That Bitch Carly Simon Stole My Man" as a cut on the Christmas album? Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:10:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: shadesofscarlett In a message dated 12/17/2002 4:28:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, ewwt@juno.com writes: > Why do most people resist such innovation so much? It's not innovation that I resist; it's artists that I can't stand - such as Bjork. But I have no problem with your admiration of her and wouldn't think to pass judgement on you because you do. Any Joni fan is also going to be supportive of innovation as Joni has been at the forefront of musical innovation for over 30 years. > Will we ever see a Joni tribute album? Well daggummit, we have seen THREE this year alone - Steve Klink's "Places To Come From, Places To Go", Big Yellow Taxi, and the SUPERB Rachel Z Trio's "Moon At The Window". Add to that the duo from David Lahm, the "Back To The Garden" Canadian Tribute, the Swedish "A Bird That Whistles" project, the FLAWLESS Lydia van Dam "Both Sides Now", the very flawed "Came Upon A Child of God" from the UK, and that doesn't even count the 11 covers CD's I assembled this year...am I leaving any out? I don't understand why people consider this one release to be THE tribute. Of course I am as anxious as anyone to hear it! > Is the reason it hasn't yet been released is because so many > *famous* bands are pissed that they aren't included on it? My guess is that Joni doesn't want it out there, for whatever reason...maybe her insecurity that someone would go to the record store and buy a copy in lieu of buying one of her cd's and she might be out a dime or two. Bob NP: Linkin Park, "Step Up" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:14:56 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: For Free > David Sapp wrote: > > > The best For Free to me is the live version she performed with the > beautifully > evocative extra chorus. She adds this at the end of the normal verses: > Playing like a fallen angel > Playing like a rising star > Playing for a hatful of nothing > To the honking of the cars. > It changes the whole song for me in good ways - can't really explain it but > it > is breathtaking. It would be great if she would record a clean version. > I believe she did this on the '83 Refuge tour. > > I agree totally. Also, there is that interesting lyrical progression of who escorted her to the hall (starting early on with 'two white men', then 'two gentlemen', then ' 16 gentlemen' (I probably have the number wrong there - MOA ?) and on the above version 'an entourage". Also, in the Refuge version, at the end of "And I'll play if you have the money, or if you're a friend to me' she adds "(then you'll get a backstage pass, and you'll get in free)' or some such. All just right. Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:22:16 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: For Free In a message dated 12/17/2002 8:14:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bobsart48 writes: > Also, in the Refuge version, > at the end of "And I'll play if you have the money, or if you're a friend to > me' she adds "(then you'll get a backstage pass, and you'll > get in free)' or > some such. Also in the live '83 versions (which I agree are definitive) she changes the lyric to "they knew that he'd never been on MTV, so they passed his good music by..." Like you say Bob, this one appears to be a touchstone that she's been able to relate to for a long time. Probably would have been a nice addition to T'log...the orchestra fades out to reveal a lone clarinetist...or in this case Wayne on the soprano sax, playing a real solo instead of a momentary trill. Bob NP: Elvis C, "Clown Strike" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:44:41 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: JM (sample) on hip-hop compilation ? Does anyone here have any background information on this? Avatar Records will release N.V.A. (National Vinyl Association) - Straight From The Crates, Vol. 1, on January 28. The compilation is geared towards the hardcore hip-hop fan and DJ since the first three singles from the project--"Hard Times" by Pharcyde featuring Jurassic 5, "Workin It Out" by Mos Def, and "The Way" by Blackmoon--will only be available on vinyl. The tracklisting for N.V.A. - Straight From The Crates, Vol. 1 includes: "Speakin' The Truth" by Akaa and DJ Babu of Dilated Peoples; "Workin' It Out" by Mos Def; "The Way" by Blackmoon; "Do You Know" by Saigon; "Classical Hit" by Phil Da Agony featuring Planet Asia; "Whirlwind" by Joey Zozza featuring Proof and Kon Artis of D12; "Girl In The Picture" by Jon Notty featuring Joni Mitchell; "Hard Times" by Pharcyde featuring Charli 2na and Akil of Jurassic 5; "Verbal Murder" by Ras Kass; "The Nexus" by Grouch featuring Mystic; and "Ya Get, Ya Get" by Korsican Brothers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:53:22 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JM (sample) on hip-hop compilation ? In a message dated 12/17/2002 8:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, kellerfrau@gmx.de writes: > "Girl In The Picture" by Jon Notty featuring Joni > Mitchell Sounds pretty cool, Moni - first I've heard of it! But after the success of Janet Jackson's Joni-sampled hit, I'm not surprised. Please advise when you know more...maybe I can see if it's on Kazaa. Bob NP: Jim Wilkins, "Blue Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:57:31 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: buckeyes >SOOOOO... I hope many of you will give it a shot..this Wednesday...9PM >sharp! > >Love to all.. > >Bree bree, will you also send it to the northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com list? either that or make it a 24-hour thing...? some of us are on digest mode and won't even receive the email in time to respond to it by the same night. peace, yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:10:09 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Continuing sadness (NJC) Thank you all SO much for your kind words about the loss of my beloved dog. I had no idea I could cry this much for such a long time. Yesterday was absolutely devastating, and reading all of your posts to me have been so comforting, more than you will ever know. I will save them and re-read them often. I want to write to each one of you to thank you, but there are so many, I just don't have the energy. Please know how much they mean to me. On another very sad note, I received this message yesterday: Dear friends of Karin and Goetz, I have to tell you Karin has died last night. We are very sad. Goetz will send you a letter the next days. Uwe For those that met Karin and her husband Goetz at Jonifest, this is especially sad. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:18:26 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Continuing sadness (NJC) In a message dated 12/17/2002 9:10:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM writes: > I have to tell you Karin has died last night. > We are very sad. > Goetz will send you a letter the next days. Ashara...this is so sad...I've exchanged numerous mails with Karin over the years, and it was her delight to be at the 2002 fest although she was very sick. My thoughts & prayers go to Goetz, a truly wonderful man, and to her family and loved ones. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 06:19:12 -0800 (PST) From: marian Subject: paprika plains I have to agree....you just can't skip over Paprika Plains...the music and imagery are beautiful!!! Take a few minutes and listen. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:00:31 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #572/Joni's Christmas album The original title was: Last Time I Saw Carly was with James in '72..." At 06:32 AM 12/17/02 EST, you wrote: >Are you kidding about "That Bitch Carly Simon Stole My Man" as a cut on the >Christmas album? > >Andrea > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:58:09 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #572 Ashara, very sorry about your loss. Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:00:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Don't let her swan song herslef! So what's next? A Big Big silence? Is joni out of the circle game for good? Can she forget about us? Don't we mean anything to her? Doesn't she know we need our joni news, every now and then? Is it something to do with her illness and her not playing instruments anymore? How can she just throw everything away? I don't understand joni. It all seemes like revenege for the industry. And how can anyone make her have seconed thoughts? I'd write her, believe me i would, if only i could. I'd tell her that she's still alive and capable of gathering herslef to writing lyrics, even about nature for goodness sakes, and find some strange chords to sing to. It's a must for us to let her know that we won't find a long silence acceptable. Don't you think? love, nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:53:23 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Continuing sadness NJC I feel dreadful about this. I never got to talk with Karin at the fest, and realise now that what I took for reservedness was probably just the discomfort of her illness. I wish I had made more of an effort. Terrible, that someone can go so fast. Please, Ashara, give her husband and Uwe my (and doubtlessly everyone else's) deepest feelings of sympathy. Lieve. PS Another big hug to you for your sad loss, Ashara. I gave my mongrel Barney an extra hug last night, thinking of your Pippin. We lost our tame cockatiel by stupid accident about 5 years ago, and I was depressed for at least a week, wondering how this tiny bunch of feathers and bones had formed such an individual bond with us. He would sit on our shoulder and sing the Yellow Submarine! These are the real miracles of life... -----Original Message----- From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com [SMTP:AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:11 PM To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NortheastJonifest] Continuing sadness Thank you all SO much for your kind words about the loss of my beloved dog. I had no idea I could cry this much for such a long time. Yesterday was absolutely devastating, and reading all of your posts to me have been so comforting, more than you will ever know. I will save them and re-read them often. I want to write to each one of you to thank you, but there are so many, I just don't have the energy. Please know how much they mean to me. On another very sad note, I received this message yesterday: Dear friends of Karin and Goetz, I have to tell you Karin has died last night. We are very sad. Goetz will send you a letter the next days. Uwe For those that met Karin and her husband Goetz at Jonifest, this is especially sad. Hugs, Ashara To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This Email has been Virus Scanned _____________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Continuing sadness (NJC) I shared a few short moments with Karin late into fest weekend, although I was sorry I did not get to spend more time with her. I am happy to be seated by her side for our annual group photo. I remember that she was ill throughout the weekend, I never knew how ill, till Helga and I began writing to eachother and she told me. Dear Karin, I am so glad that you came to into our lives and were a part of our community. I am glad to have made contact with you and I now see the reason you traveled so far to be with us. You will always be here in our hearts and in the Joni community. May you find peace in your continuing journey. Much love and peace to Goetz in his time of sorrow ...Much love and peace to all. Love is touching souls .... Peace, Susan - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > > For those that met Karin and her husband Goetz at Jonifest, this is > especially sad. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:17:29 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: JM (sample) on hip-hop compilation ? I already checked a bunch of filesharing networks...the only 'Girl In The Picture' I can come up with is by 'Mario'. I'll keep trying. - -Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ""Moni Kellermann"" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: JM (sample) on hip-hop compilation ? > In a message dated 12/17/2002 8:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, kellerfrau@gmx.de writes: > > > "Girl In The Picture" by Jon Notty featuring Joni > > Mitchell > > Sounds pretty cool, Moni - first I've heard of it! But after the success of Janet Jackson's Joni-sampled hit, I'm not surprised. Please advise when you know more...maybe I can see if it's on Kazaa. > > Bob > > NP: Jim Wilkins, "Blue Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:26:35 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: I can be as gullible as Forest Gump at times so you really had me going! Suspicious by the duet with Cher, Carly song made me click and 'Marcie's Revenge' had me cracking up with laughter. What are you like. LOL. STEVE T > guess what!!! > joni definately is planning a christmas album for next year. > in fact she's already recorded it!!!! > i know someone who works at nonesuch > and he sent me a pre release of most of the songs > > she recorded most of them when she did "travelog" > and others he recorded in her home studio > here's the line up > > 1. river --(no suprise here except she adds a verse > or two from "rockin around the christmas tree") > 2. away in the manger--(modled after the mahalia jackson version with percy faith strings. in fact the strings outstring percy!) > 3. santa must be a boogie man (such a clever reworking) > 4. the christmas song --(a duet with cher-this one brought tears to my eyes) > 5. barangril-- (with a spooky sample of nat king cole coming and going all thru the song) > 6. rudolph the red nosed reindeer--(a fine version altho somewhat marred by joni saying "nice rudy rudy" oh well) > 7. all i want {for christmas is my 2 front teeth}-- (just darling with joni singing the entire thing in a baby like voice. sigh...) > 8. adeste fidelis-- (another duet-this time with bing crosby-although sometimes its hard to tell who is singing) > 9. carole's lawn is sparklin again --(a beautiful sequal to "chinese cafe" > 10. that bitch carly simon stole my man--(an original, tho it seems somewhat out of place here on a holiday album-nice glokinspeil accompaniment though, does add a festive touch.) > 11. the 12 days of christmas -- (i won't spoil the surprise about the wonderful gifts joni recieves from her true love---altho day 6 she does get "6 cans of moosehead beer"--ah those canadians--they love their beer) > 12. suzy snowflke--(a rather stark reading of the old chestnut, ala "fiddle and the drum") > 13. i've got my love to keep me warm--(very jazzy--very nice--altho joni questionably uses some mingus dialog outakes, mostly along the lines of "pass the applesauce" and "are you sure you wanna do this?" and the like) > 14. marcies revenge--(sigh--just brilliant) > 15. the holly and the ivy--(sung with a very heavy swedish accent) > 16. we three kings- joni did a watercolor sketch for this one in the liner notes--hilariously she used crosby still and nash as the models---the rendering is amazing--every little wrinkle--ahh that joni-ya gotta love her) > > thats it > 16 holiday gems > just wait till you hear this one > the threads on this list will never stop! > > happy holidays! > > walt > The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:15:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Don't let her swan song herslef! --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > So what's next? A Big Big silence? It's a must for us to let her know that we won't > find a long silence acceptable. Don't you think? > I don't think Joni will find it acceptable either. She has been bitching about the industry for years, but has kept recording. I don't think she could stop, even if she wanted to - it's in the blood. Maybe she just needs a rest. She can stay at my place, I don't mind. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:26:26 -0800 (PST) From: cecelia sonsini Subject: NJC-Cat (and dog) advice needed We are adopting a dog (she's being brought over Thurs to meet the cats and if all goes well she'll be staying) and we need to find a solution to a dilemma. We have 4 cats, 3 of whom eat Nutromax. They all get fed on top of the clothes dryer. The 4th cat, he's a very big(!) boy, eats Felidae and gets fed in the kitchen. We leave the food out at all times. Besides the fact that the big boy has trouble jumping up on the dryer, he absolutly can't eat Nutromax because it gives him severe diarrhea. So, that is how we keep him away from that food. Now with the dog joining our household we're trying to figure out how and where we can feed the big boy without the dog being able to get to the food. I don't think keeping his food in a room with a baby gate will work because it might be hard for the cat to jump over the gate. We would appreciate any and all suggestions. (I wonder if Joni had this problem when she added little Coco to her household) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:26:25 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Don't let her swan song herslef! >>>Maybe she just needs a rest. I think it's more like she needs a muse. She hasn't just been bitching about the music biz, she's been bitching about the state of the entire planet. I can see how writing songs about oil spills, evil nuns, wife beaters, greedy maids and lost kitties would take its toll. No one can really tell her to write or get inspired - that happens when it happens. Having said that, she has a whole new aspect of life to deal with, now that her daughter is a part of the picture, with grandchildren as well. Great fodder for songwriting, I would think. Surely something or someone will come along to spark that creative flame again. No worries - Joni will be back! - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:35:49 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Letters about Joni Mitchell statue Someone asked for the email address for Letters to the Editor at the StarPhoenix newspaper. If you want to write a letter supporting the commissioning of a statue of Joni Mitchell in Saskatoon (which would be helpful in showing we have national and international support for this), the email address is letters@thesp.com. Best, Sarah The StarPhoenix, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Monday, December 16, 2002 By Darren Bernhardt of The StarPhoenix A fund has been set up in Saskatoon to raise money for a bronze statue to honour Joni Mitchell, one of Saskatoon's most famous daughters, and it's getting international support. The initiative was undertaken by Sarah Gibb, an expatriate Englander who moved to the city last year and has been a longtime fan of the accomplished painter, poet, singer and songwriter. "My first thought when I saw the downtown was, 'What, no Joni Mitchell statue?'" she said. "She's known all over the world and whether you like her music or not, there's no denying she's been tremendously influential on a whole generation of artists. I was amazed Saskatoon wasn't celebrating her. "I at least expected plaques saying, 'This is where Joni Mitchell lived' and 'This is where she went to school' and 'This is where she first sang in public'. We do this in England with our novelists, artists and historical figures, and it often injects a lot of visitors into an area because they want to see where Charles Dickens stayed when he wrote Bleak House or whatever." Mitchell is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and listed No. 5 on VHI's list of The 100 Greatest Women of Rock and Roll. She was given the Order of Canada earlier this year, the nation's highest honour for lifetime achievement. Gibb was inspired to take action after reading a StarPhoenix story about a British Columbia man who wrote a letter to Saskatoon city council suggesting the council commission a statue. Mark Salzl was raised in Paradise Hill but plans to eventually move from B.C. to Saskatoon, which he calls his "home city". But a program doesn't exist for commissioning artwork. Salzl was told to look into private sponsorships. Recognizing the difficulty of campaigning two provinces away, Gibb took up the venture. A committee was created consisting of Gibb, Salzl and Les Irvin, founder of a Joni Mitchell Web site and discussion list (www.jmdl.com) in California. "Already, in response to the fund being set up, fans on the discussion list are talking about a pilgrimage to Saskatoon to have photographs taken with the statue," said Gibb. Salzl is amazed his suggestion garnered so much attention and that the process has begun. "I have to chuckle about the power of one little letter," he said. "But I don't think it would have happened so quick if Sarah didn't take it up. I'm very pleased," he said, adding he has received e-mails of encouragement from people in San Francisco. The committee's effort is The Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself Fund, stemming from an interview two weeks ago when Joni Mitchell talked about a bench with a statue of herself sitting at one end. She remarked that when she came here and sat on the bench, she could literally be beside herself. She expressed a preference for something that wasn't "on a pedestal" because it's not her style. It should be functional "where people could sit and muse," she said. The good-humoured Mitchell often visits her parents, who still live here. She said a statue would be an honour as well as "a place for birds to perch." Gibb and the rest of the committee members plan to approach local businesses for donations, as well as city council "who we hope will give us permission to locate the statue in a prominent place," she said. "We would love to see it overlooking the river near the Bessborough Hotel, as Joni Mitchell has the Bessborough featured on the cover of one of her early albums, Clouds." Another option is to have it in Broadway, where Mitchell started her singing career in the Louis Riel coffee house, as it was known then. Calories now occupies that spot. Regardless of where the statue goes, the coffee house site should have a commemorative plaque, said Gibb. The committee is in the process of approaching artists to have a campaign poster designed for distribution around the city. Joe Farfard, the Saskatchewan sculptor whose work in bronze is known internationally, has told the committee he is interested in doing the piece. "We don't know when we'll be in a position to commission something, as we have no idea how long it will take to raise the money," said Gibb. "We estimate we're going to need $100,000-$120,000, and so far we have $175. But we're determined to raise the rest." If anyone would like to help, the committee can be reached at BesideHerself@shaw.ca. Donations can be made directly to the fund at the Saskatoon Credit Union, Broadway Avenue branch, account number 7230444. Or cheques and money orders can be sent to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, P.O. Box 22100 (RPO Wildwood), Saskatoon, S7H 5P1. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:36:59 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Letters about Joni Mitchell statue PS. Letters should show the name and postal address of sender. Someone asked for the email address for Letters to the Editor at the StarPhoenix newspaper. If you want to write a letter supporting the commissioning of a statue of Joni Mitchell in Saskatoon (which would be helpful in showing we have national and international support for this), the email address is letters@thesp.com. Best, Sarah The StarPhoenix, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Monday, December 16, 2002 By Darren Bernhardt of The StarPhoenix A fund has been set up in Saskatoon to raise money for a bronze statue to honour Joni Mitchell, one of Saskatoon's most famous daughters, and it's getting international support. The initiative was undertaken by Sarah Gibb, an expatriate Englander who moved to the city last year and has been a longtime fan of the accomplished painter, poet, singer and songwriter. "My first thought when I saw the downtown was, 'What, no Joni Mitchell statue?'" she said. "She's known all over the world and whether you like her music or not, there's no denying she's been tremendously influential on a whole generation of artists. I was amazed Saskatoon wasn't celebrating her. "I at least expected plaques saying, 'This is where Joni Mitchell lived' and 'This is where she went to school' and 'This is where she first sang in public'. We do this in England with our novelists, artists and historical figures, and it often injects a lot of visitors into an area because they want to see where Charles Dickens stayed when he wrote Bleak House or whatever." Mitchell is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and listed No. 5 on VHI's list of The 100 Greatest Women of Rock and Roll. She was given the Order of Canada earlier this year, the nation's highest honour for lifetime achievement. Gibb was inspired to take action after reading a StarPhoenix story about a British Columbia man who wrote a letter to Saskatoon city council suggesting the council commission a statue. Mark Salzl was raised in Paradise Hill but plans to eventually move from B.C. to Saskatoon, which he calls his "home city". But a program doesn't exist for commissioning artwork. Salzl was told to look into private sponsorships. Recognizing the difficulty of campaigning two provinces away, Gibb took up the venture. A committee was created consisting of Gibb, Salzl and Les Irvin, founder of a Joni Mitchell Web site and discussion list (www.jmdl.com) in California. "Already, in response to the fund being set up, fans on the discussion list are talking about a pilgrimage to Saskatoon to have photographs taken with the statue," said Gibb. Salzl is amazed his suggestion garnered so much attention and that the process has begun. "I have to chuckle about the power of one little letter," he said. "But I don't think it would have happened so quick if Sarah didn't take it up. I'm very pleased," he said, adding he has received e-mails of encouragement from people in San Francisco. The committee's effort is The Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself Fund, stemming from an interview two weeks ago when Joni Mitchell talked about a bench with a statue of herself sitting at one end. She remarked that when she came here and sat on the bench, she could literally be beside herself. She expressed a preference for something that wasn't "on a pedestal" because it's not her style. It should be functional "where people could sit and muse," she said. The good-humoured Mitchell often visits her parents, who still live here. She said a statue would be an honour as well as "a place for birds to perch." Gibb and the rest of the committee members plan to approach local businesses for donations, as well as city council "who we hope will give us permission to locate the statue in a prominent place," she said. "We would love to see it overlooking the river near the Bessborough Hotel, as Joni Mitchell has the Bessborough featured on the cover of one of her early albums, Clouds." Another option is to have it in Broadway, where Mitchell started her singing career in the Louis Riel coffee house, as it was known then. Calories now occupies that spot. Regardless of where the statue goes, the coffee house site should have a commemorative plaque, said Gibb. The committee is in the process of approaching artists to have a campaign poster designed for distribution around the city. Joe Farfard, the Saskatchewan sculptor whose work in bronze is known internationally, has told the committee he is interested in doing the piece. "We don't know when we'll be in a position to commission something, as we have no idea how long it will take to raise the money," said Gibb. "We estimate we're going to need $100,000-$120,000, and so far we have $175. But we're determined to raise the rest." If anyone would like to help, the committee can be reached at BesideHerself@shaw.ca. Donations can be made directly to the fund at the Saskatoon Credit Union, Broadway Avenue branch, account number 7230444. Or cheques and money orders can be sent to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, P.O. Box 22100 (RPO Wildwood), Saskatoon, S7H 5P1. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:14:11 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Don't let her swan song herslef! I doubt she will ever stop writing unless forced to it's a tough habit to break especially if she continues to paint. I think what it really comes down to is will she continue to share it. I would understand if she chose not to especially in this era of music where a pretty voice with nothing to say gets listened to far more than one with character and substance. Chuck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Little Bird" To: "Catherine McKay" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Don't let her swan song herslef! > >>>Maybe she just needs a rest. > > I think it's more like she needs a muse. She hasn't just been bitching about the music biz, she's been bitching about the state of the entire planet. I can see how writing songs about oil spills, evil nuns, wife beaters, greedy maids and lost kitties would take its toll. No one can really tell her to write or get inspired - that happens when it happens. Having said that, she has a whole new aspect of life to deal with, now that her daughter is a part of the picture, with grandchildren as well. Great fodder for songwriting, I would think. Surely something or someone will come along to spark that creative flame again. No worries - Joni will be back! > > -Andrew > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:46:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC-Cat (and dog) advice needed Hello Cecilia-my first thought is that when you bring in the dog, there will be trouble. it will take more than one vening to accustom the cats to the dog. I have had both dogs and cats for the last 30 years tho I no longe rhave cats. Dogs LOVE to eat eat cat poop out of litter trays. You will have to feed your cats only twice a day. It is not necessary to leave the food down all the time. That way you can keep the dog away whilst you feed. An aside, but somehting you might like to think about: commercial pet foods are not really the best way to feed cats/dogs. It is unnatural and relies heavily on biologically inappropriate fodds-like grains. the foods are highly procressed and chemical laden. Thes foods cause peridontal disease which in tuen leads to heart disease and other diseases. I now feed my dogs on real food-chicken wings, offals, meats, eggs, fish etc. No grains, nothing is cooked. NEVER EVER feed a dogf or cat cooked bones. raw meaty bones are fine. the provide much in the way of nution and also keept he teeth clean. my dogs all have white teeth, even the older ones who wwere kibble fed for years now have white teeth. I get no tummy torubles, no gas, no bad breath, no fussy eaters, no skin problems. they all love their food. If you wnat to find out more do a search for BARF(Bones and Raw Food or Biologically Appropraite Raw Food) on the net. you will get all the info you need. There are also cat speciifc sitres and email lists. Good luck. oh and what sort of dog is the dog? age? sex? I no longer keep cats becasue I have more than 3 dogs and thus have a pack and a pack of dogs and cats do not mix. cecelia sonsini wrote: >We are adopting a dog (she's being brought over Thurs >to meet the cats and if all goes well she'll be >staying) and we need to find a solution to a dilemma. >We have 4 cats, 3 of whom eat Nutromax. They all get >fed on top of the clothes dryer. The 4th cat, he's a >very big(!) boy, eats Felidae and gets fed in the >kitchen. We leave the food out at all times. >Besides the fact that the big boy has trouble jumping >up on the dryer, he absolutly can't eat Nutromax >because it gives him severe diarrhea. So, that is >how we keep him away from that food. >Now with the dog joining our household we're trying to >figure out how and where we can feed the big boy >without the dog being able to get to the food. I >don't think keeping his food in a room with a baby >gate will work because it might be hard for the cat to >jump over the gate. >We would appreciate any and all suggestions. >(I wonder if Joni had this problem when she added >little Coco to her household) >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:05:36 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Judy passionless??? NJC >on other matters. >it seems like i'm always defending judy collins on these lists >but anyone who calls her music passionless >certainly has NEVER listened to her >early folk albums. >stirring full of passion and feeling >i mean have you HEARD "someday soon?" ("who knows..." lp) >"tomorrow is a long time????" (j c fifth album) >"the great silkie?" (second album-"golden apples...") >give these albums a chance. What about "Innisfree"? That song will be sung at my funeral!!!! That is where I want to go ...a place as beautiful as Innisfree. There is not a song on Judy's first 10 albums that I can't sing along with. Not that I sing that well but I know all the words. "Anathea, Liverpool Lullaby, The Bonnie Boy is Young, Winter Sky..." it's is just transporting!!! I'm not sure where i get transported to, but it is someplace very nice. Nobody has covered "I Think it's Going to Rain Today" with so much precision (and this song has been covered almost just as many times as many Joni tunes). As far as "Send in the Clowns" passionless?? Preposterous!! Count me in on defending Judy whenever you need back-up. We might just have to set up our own little execution display.(Just joshing-don't even own a gun- and I live in Miami.) Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:29:19 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni FTR song book JC >Now, my question: I have a hardbound book of sheet music for C&S, >Blue, >and FTR. I bought it at a library book sale-what a find! But >I've heard >that there is a softcover folio of FTR that has artwork in >it. Is this >true? If so, does anyone have any ideas or know of >a .resource where this >may be purchased? >Thanks >Ken I have it and I like this song book very much. It was the first Joni song book that I found that had very accurate alternate tunings. There are Joni painting throughout. very similar to the early version of the Joni Mitchell Songbook Vol 1. It also had many paintings that were later omitted when the song book was reprinted. I bought it through an auction through Goldmine(record collectors mag) close to 20 years ago. It's in storage and I haven't seen it in years. Maybe one day I'll be able to unpack! Will _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:35:41 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Joni's voice Today I received an e-mail responding to my latest post about Joni's beautiful voice on T'log. The writer accidentally sent me a copy intended for his JMDL buddies. It reads: "see what i mean? this guy needs a good thrashing! my comment on him bravoing joni's bathroom sounds did not, apparently, do the trick. i think it may become my mission in life now to mock him, publicly. what a buffoon! the king of the joni pod people... " The writer sent me another e-mail explaining that he accidentally sent this to me and apologized (sort of). I've been pondering this all day. Did some people join the JMDL thinking it stands for the Joni Mitchell Diss List? Am I now to be publicly thrashed & mocked because I've expressed my growing love for Joni's voice & T'log? Bring it on! ET ;~D NP: Borderline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:46:07 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joan Osborne NJC >> That new Joan Osborne is currently at the top of my want list. She can take a really familiar song and make it her own. Bob << And it bugs me that people have forgotten about her!!! Will _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:10:35 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: meaning of things on the list NJC >I've all ways loved for free but then again I'm a musician and this >can be a handy cap when it comes to understanding some things like >what is Ick? I am curious do you like Furry sings the blues or goodbye >pork pie? I find them appealing for the same reason. Is it the Ick >that I find appealing or >am I way off here and Ick is some new girl band I haven't heard about > >doing a cover of FTR Chuck You know "For Free" was the first song that I taught myself how to play on the piano, but for some reason I just got tired of it. I do feel it's a good song. As far as the "ick" comment (that was not made by me even though i was the one to bring up the song) I can relate to being clueless to some of the stuff used here. My recent back and forth with Susan was a bit handicapped on my end because she was into using all these abreviations(actually they are called something else but the name escapes me now-help) that I wasn't sure if she was joking or cursing me (ended up being a little of both-hee hee). Finally, I asked her to let me in on her lingo. Wow, I would have never guessed the meaning to a lot of these. It definitely is all about communication! I actually have not erased her little dictionary email until I learn them. "Ick" was not on there but I would assume its like "YUK". Right?? Will _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Joni's voice My goodness! Well, now that Eric has all the power, what ever shall he do with it? Expose the "criminal" for all to see? Tempting, eh? It's such a wonderful time of year to want to publicly mock people and call them buffoons, too! It's just heart warming and really restores my faith in camaraderie. Chances are if our mystery man thinks Eric is a buffoon that others are on his "to-be-publicly-mocked" hit list also, since he is not alone in his appreciation of Joni's Travelogian voice. (Bathroom noises? And he calls himself a fan? Maybe he should look up the definition of buffoon.) The bloodthirsty shark in me wants to see his name in bright lights. - -Andrew Eric Taylor wrote:Today I received an e-mail responding to my latest post about Joni's beautiful voice on T'log. The writer accidentally sent me a copy intended for his JMDL buddies. It reads: "see what i mean? this guy needs a good thrashing! my comment on him bravoing joni's bathroom sounds did not, apparently, do the trick. i think it may become my mission in life now to mock him, publicly. what a buffoon! the king of the joni pod people... " The writer sent me another e-mail explaining that he accidentally sent this to me and apologized (sort of). I've been pondering this all day. Did some people join the JMDL thinking it stands for the Joni Mitchell Diss List? Am I now to be publicly thrashed & mocked because I've expressed my growing love for Joni's voice & T'log? Bring it on! ET ;~D NP: Borderline Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:18:32 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Mariah's boob job NJC >Plus, I decided the other night that she's had a boob job. Not recently, >they've been fake all along. I think they're hollow for the sake of acoustics!:) Will _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:23:29 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Not important NJC >Plus, I decided the other night that she's had a boob job. Not recently, >they've been fake all along. I like this one! Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:39:06 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Judy Collins/Laura Nyro >yes i agree reuben, "judith" marked a change in judy where she >started to >sing more flatly and a little passsionless. >but the albums up till then are what i'm talking about. assured, >fearless >and groundbreaking. stong guitair strumming and a fierce >altro. there is a >lot of good work there in those 10 or 12 lps. I agree that Judy's vocal approach on "Judith" starts to change. There are a couple of tracks on here that I love despite the change. "Houses" is beautiful lyrically and musically. I feel that this is the best version of "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"(I know some will disagree). I also like "Send in the Clowns" but i agree that it would be a horrible Joni song. I love both of these Laura Nyro albums(Eli... & NYT). When people look at me in the car singing with Lauro they probably think I'm crazy. Yelling and screaming "run, run, run you son of a guuuuuuuuuuun!!!!!!!" Crazy is good in Miami, people tend to leave you alone. Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:47:39 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Glenn Close NJC >.... a man please Mags. Must love dogs. Must have his own home to go back >to on weekends and holidays. Must be good at house work. Must be good at >cooking(low carb). Must know how to groom dogs well. Must >even >tempered.Must NOT nag. Glenn Close has something similar to what you might be looking for. I read once that she has this young guy that lives in some little home next to hers and she only allows him over when she needs him. I thought that was pretty funny. I like her. I don't think she has him do any cooking or cleaning though:) Will _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #573 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)