From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #572 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 17 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 572 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "Your notch IS liberation, doll" [Little Bird ] Re: Cat collars - NJC [colin ] r: 20th Century Masters and Joni ["William C. Burnworth/Tim Callaghan" ] Duh..I forgot..trivia contest.. ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Travelogue on the Shelf [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Joni's X-mas album njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's X-mas album njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: [carly ] Re: NJC 2nd Annual Trivia Contest!! Prizes involved !! :0 ["Bree Mcdonoug] KILLS...! [] Re: Joni's X-mas album njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: "Your notch IS liberation, doll" ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Carly vs Joni njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: 3 volume Book on CSN&Y (NJC) ["kakki" ] Re: Joni's X-mas album njc ["kakki" ] Re: Joni Statue [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: downtown messiah - njc but jane siberry content ["kakki" ] Pro-Travelogue vote ["jacka1z" ] Re: hohoho! (njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: Pro-Travelogue vote [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: Joni's voice [Eric Taylor ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: "Your notch IS liberation, doll" I've been warned not to bring this up on the list, because it causes so much controversy, but I do agree that the line, "Your notches liberation doll" is actually meant to be, "Your notch IS liberation, doll" and that the liner notes are misprinted. The former really makes no sense to me but the latter one does: Since it's a man telling her this, I assume he has many notches on his headboard and Joni's stands for liberation, symbolizing some sense of freedom she gave him during the course of their love affair. I think the "serpent" is a representation of a phallus and I like your wall analogy. Why it's an "Ethiopian" wall is still a mystery to me. Let the controversy begin! - -Andrew - ---- * I am more and more convinced that in Don't Interrupt the Sorrow 'notches' is notches on the bedpost--meaning her sexuality is her liberation, but she will always be tied to the wall because she is a woman and there will always be the double standard (which is crap)* I agree. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:52:56 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Cat collars - NJC >But I will NEVER put a collar on him again, and advise everyone I know >against them as well - which is the main reason I'm sending this to the list >(although Joni is a cat person, so I know she wouldn't mind)! > >Hell >___________________________________ > > I agree with you. collars on cats are dangerous. in fact they are not that clever on dogs either. iveyr nearly lost a Lab many years ago.She jumped a fence but her collar got caught. Had I not been there , she would have hung. None of my dogs wear collars(and neither did my cats). My dogs are NEVER out side of my house/garden without me or without a lead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:53:29 -0600 From: "William C. Burnworth/Tim Callaghan" Subject: r: 20th Century Masters and Joni If I'm not mistaken, the main reason Joni will never be represented in this series is because this series is from Polygram (whoever owns them now) ..they're not likely to be licensing Joni tracks.. Cheers all, Williamnp:Comedian Harmonists, Creole Love Call William Burnworth/Tim CallaghanCastalian Springcspringj@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:02:58 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: 2nd Annual Trivia Contest!! Prizes involved !! :0 Hello Everyone!! Well..I can't believe it is this time already?? Another year...all I believe accounted for. For the new people and to refresh the old members: Every year it is a tradition in my blood family at Christmas to have a trivia question on Christmas Eve. On a piece of paper as the guests are arriving they write their answer down to the trivia question. At the end of the night a prize is given to the person who answered correctly. So I want to extend this to my on line family...my Joni family!! :-) Where: JMDL time: 9PM sharp December 18..this Wednesday. I am announcing this ahead of time because last year a few people said I should have given a heads up. And yes..if you won last year you can win this year!! This year there will be two winners. Whoever answers the question first wins the top prize. Then there is a runner up prize. Unlike last year.. there WILL NOT be five prizes given. (Because Santa just got back from Vegas and lost her arse!) Prizes: Top dog: A gift certificate from Gift Certificates.com, A box of Esther Price candy. AND...and..a tray of my world-famous Buckeyes. Runner up: A tray of my Buckeyes. (I made 1206 last year...this year I'm shooting for 1222) (for those of you who do not know, Buckeyes are candy..peanut butter concoction..hand-dipped in chocolate) (it is quite a production! My kitchen is turned into a veritable candy factory. And I love it!! ) PS. I will ship to anywhere in this Joniworld. SOOOOO... I hope many of you will give it a shot..this Wednesday...9PM sharp! Love to all.. Bree _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:00:44 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: JMDLers Live from New Orleans (njc) <> my observations, in no particular order: - - new orleans has too much good food. - - neither jack neilson nor gisele hawkins have any idea how talented they are. - - beth patterson is perhaps the most wickedly funny person i've ever met. this is a compliment. - - there is enough humidity in new orleans, even in the winter, to make my hair stick out funny. - - jack's mother and sisters are totally charming. that apple didn't fall far from the tree. - - michael paz knows every musician in the entire city. - - les irvin is just adorable. i had such a good time getting to know him better! - - scotch is more intoxicating at tipitina's. two drinks are too many. be warned. - - if you leave your dog in the car for 4 hours, she'll be very happy to see you when you get back. - - christina friis-nelson is a helluva songwriter, in addition to her other musical talents. - - flocked christmas trees are very popular in southern louisiana. - - jack's cd should be in your cd player right now. it's that good. really. cindy - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: cecelia sonsini Subject: Re: Losing a dear friend (NJC) Ashara- I just want to say that I'm sorry for your loss. Today is the anniversary of my little Yorkie's (Buckwheat) passing. He died suddenly 1 year ago tonight and it was the worst night of my life. He was my constant companion for almost 15 years and I miss him every day. It's very hard, but I know he's in a great place running around and having a wonderful time. I'll see him, again, I know, as you will see Pippin, too. Hey, maybe Buckwheat and Pippin are playing together! - -Cecelia - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Since many of you over the years of Jonifest have > met my sweet, sweet > companion of many years, I thought you would want to > know this sad news. My > loving and faithful German Shepherd, Pippin, has > been as much a part of > Jonifest as tequila and guitars. She endured being > dressed up with a Joni > t-shirt and had the benefit of many, many hugs from > all of you that have > visited my home. Several people still ask about her > when we e-mail and IM > each other. Sadly, Pippin has been failing over the > past year, and this > weekend has really gone downhill. The decision to > put her down has not been > an easy one, and I have struggled back and forth > with the decision for many > months. I can only believe that her rapid decline > this weekend was her way of > helping me to know she is ready to go. I will be > calling the vet tomorrow, > and hope they can take us tomorrow afternoon. Thanks > to all of you that > showed such kindness to her while you were here. > > Sad hugs, > Ashara Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:52:42 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Duh..I forgot..trivia contest.. Oh..the time 9PM for the trivia question is EST. (Europe set your alarms) Bree _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:09:28 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC 2nd Annual Trivia Contest!! Prizes involved !! :0 In a message dated 12/16/02 6:04:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > Where: JMDL time: 9PM sharp December 18..this Wednesday. > > Great Bree, It's my mother's 78th birthday and I'll be taking her out to dinner and won't get home until 11:00 :~( So I'll go ahead and guess. Is it The Beatles??? :~D Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:20:44 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Statue In a message dated 12/16/02 4:09:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, MINGSDANCE@aol.com writes: > The one where she's looking up is > particularly reverent. Her shimmering hair and the pleated detail of her > gown electrifies her image, presenting an artistic challenge to the > sculptor > which would age beautifully. I am often taken aback by the staring eyes of > > bronze statues, and believe that her pose looking up with eyes closed would > > enhance, and not detract from, this tribute. Well slap my ass and call me Judy (as Evian used to say), I actually get to see a post from David Mingus after 4 years :~) This is a great photo Mingus, and I think this would make a great promo for the statue. Everyone at Pazfest got one of these, and I brought some to Jonifest 2001 as give away prizes. For those who want a peek go to http://jonimitchell.com/BSNTourReports/WPBBSNTourReport.html It's the first photo of the report. Post more often Ming!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:52:42 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: [none] guess what!!! joni definately is planning a christmas album for next year. in fact she's already recorded it!!!! i know someone who works at nonesuch and he sent me a pre release of most of the songs she recorded most of them when she did "travelog" and others he recorded in her home studio here's the line up 1. river --(no suprise here except she adds a verse or two from "rockin around the christmas tree") 2. away in the manger--(modled after the mahalia jackson version with percy faith strings. in fact the strings outstring percy!) 3. santa must be a boogie man (such a clever reworking) 4. the christmas song --(a duet with cher-this one brought tears to my eyes) 5. barangril-- (with a spooky sample of nat king cole coming and going all thru the song) 6. rudolph the red nosed reindeer--(a fine version altho somewhat marred by joni saying "nice rudy rudy" oh well) 7. all i want {for christmas is my 2 front teeth}-- (just darling with joni singing the entire thing in a baby like voice. sigh...) 8. adeste fidelis-- (another duet-this time with bing crosby-although sometimes its hard to tell who is singing) 9. carole's lawn is sparklin again --(a beautiful sequal to "chinese cafe" 10. that bitch carly simon stole my man--(an original, tho it seems somewhat out of place here on a holiday album-nice glokinspeil accompaniment though, does add a festive touch.) 11. the 12 days of christmas -- (i won't spoil the surprise about the wonderful gifts joni recieves from her true love---altho day 6 she does get "6 cans of moosehead beer"--ah those canadians--they love their beer) 12. suzy snowflke--(a rather stark reading of the old chestnut, ala "fiddle and the drum") 13. i've got my love to keep me warm--(very jazzy--very nice--altho joni questionably uses some mingus dialog outakes, mostly along the lines of "pass the applesauce" and "are you sure you wanna do this?" and the like) 14. marcies revenge--(sigh--just brilliant) 15. the holly and the ivy--(sung with a very heavy swedish accent) 16. we three kings- joni did a watercolor sketch for this one in the liner notes--hilariously she used crosby still and nash as the models---the rendering is amazing--every little wrinkle--ahh that joni-ya gotta love her) thats it 16 holiday gems just wait till you hear this one the threads on this list will never stop! happy holidays! walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:16:15 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue on the Shelf In a message dated 16/12/2002 19:23:38 GMT Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: << T is made for those who never heard Joni. Great, this way we'll come across as more "mainstream" and less "weird" when playing T as background music to non-admirers of the QUOMB. >> Ah, there's the rub! I'm sure you're right Laurent, but I have a real fear that, should anyone buy this album as a Joni primer, they'll listen to it and think "Crikey, who's this croaky woman who can't sing," and not be encouraged to investigate further. Despite my own negative response about Travelogue, I can understand why some (or indeed many) of my fellow Joni-admirers would like it: they have lived with the songs, they have grown up and older listening to Joni, they have heard her voice deepen and change (and can live with where it's now arrived at), and this new collection will reflect a weight of experience, and itself be carried by the experience the listener brings to it. However, none of this will apply to a new arrival at the Joni Mitchell shrine! My misgiving is that this would be a very hard album for a "newbie" to get into. It's preaching to the converted, and while some of the faithful will desert, I honestly find it hard to believe that there will be a compensatory attracting of new fans to the fold. To use a sporting analogy, if you've been playing football all afternoon and it's been getting slowly darker, your eyes adjust, and you can carry on playing. Someone who turns up in the gloaming will say "For God's sake, I can't see a bloody thing here!" I don't know what the sales figures are like, so I don't know whether they will tend to support or refute this view - leaving aside the important factor of how much PR muscle has been expended on promoting it. Bob S added, on this subject: << To dismiss after (or during) a first listen sounds to my ear to be disrespectful (even if one is correct) at best, and could be viewed as foolishly arrogant (if one turns out to be wrong) at worst. For this reason, there is - IMO - a difference between offering a negative first impression and a positive first impression. (If it turns out that the positive first impression was premature, well....sort of 'no harm, no foul'...but on the other side..) >> I disagree, Bob. First up, there is no "right" and "wrong" - stating the obvious, I guess, but maybe it needs repeating here. Why is it "disrespectful" to say I have listened to this record and really don't like it, for the following reasons? It implies that Joni is some deity who cannot be criticised. I was not flinging random insults around, I was giving an honest response, and clearly stating that it was based on first impressions. Plenty of people disagreed with me, and put opposing views, nearly all of them very forthright and wholly respectful - THAT is at the heart of what this list is supposed to be about, isn't it? Some people agreed, which reassured me that I wasn't going completely off my trolley. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that no harm of any kind whatsoever can be done by someone posting a negative response to a new record. If I had been reviewing it for any kind of publication, of course I would have listened to the whole thing, more than once, before submitting my copy. There's a big difference here. I don't believe for a second that anyone would have decided not to buy the album on the basis of my comments. So where's the harm? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:19:02 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's X-mas album njc --- walterphil wrote: > guess what!!! > joni definately is planning a christmas album for > next year. > in fact she's already recorded it!!!! > i know someone who works at nonesuch > and he sent me a pre release of most of the songs Walt, you nut, you almost had me there. (I'm so gullible I'll believe anything!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:48:28 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's X-mas album njc In a message dated 12/16/02 8:20:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Walt, you nut, you almost had me there. (I'm so > gullible I'll believe anything!) > > > He had me going there too Catherine, until I realized that Bing was dead. I loved the thought of her doing a duet with Cher :~) and <<6. rudolph the red nosed reindeer--(a fine version altho somewhat marred by joni saying "nice rudy rudy" oh well)>> This one really cracked me up. Great job Walt !!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:56:28 +0000 From: carly Subject: Re: >10. that bitch carly simon stole my man--(an original, tho it seems somewhat out of place here on a holiday album-nice glokinspeil accompaniment though, does add a festive touch.) > > yes well my xmas cd is already out and iit wonderful darling. that bitch can croak thru a xmas cd if she wishes but is till beat her hands down. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:10:58 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC 2nd Annual Trivia Contest!! Prizes involved !! :0 Yeah..I love Beatles trivia. Close Jimmy. What about a surrogate or by proxy even? Hey...anybody that takes their mother out on her 78th b-day...well..they deserve something. Send me your address off list and I will be sure you get a tray of my world-famous Buckeyes. Nope..... I insist!! Bree > > Where: JMDL time: 9PM sharp December 18..this Wednesday. > > > > > >Great Bree, It's my mother's 78th birthday and I'll be taking her out to >dinner and won't get home until 11:00 :~( > >So I'll go ahead and guess. Is it The Beatles??? :~D > >Jimmy _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:12:08 -0500 From: Subject: KILLS...! BRYAN wrote: < But I have a hunch, perhaps unreasonalble and wacky -- or perhaps true -- that Joni is somewhat delusional or in denial about the degree to which, at times, she sounds off, way off. Otherwise, how in the world could someone who cares so profoundly about her art, and cares so much about what others think of her art, have allowed the vocal performance on the new recording of Judgement of the Moon and Stars (in its entirety) or Sex Kills (the closing moments) to be included in such a lovely, meticulously crafted project? > Not to mention those "Head of a man"s in SLOUCHING -- that make me afraid that the head of a certain woman is about to BLOW clear OFF! ;-) I really DON'T understand why someone didn't suggest she have another go at JUDGEMENT. Other than those gaffes, though, I find Joni's singing -- despite the limitations -- sensational. MICHAEL in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:24:58 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni's X-mas album njc Geezzzzz..I bought this too! I just forwarded his (Walt's) e-mail to someone. I wrote in the e-mail "Honey you are going to love this..read on!" Bree >In a message dated 12/16/02 8:20:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, >anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > > Walt, you nut, you almost had me there. (I'm so > > gullible I'll believe anything!) > > > > > > > >He had me going there too Catherine, until I realized that Bing was dead. >I loved the thought of her doing a duet with Cher :~) >and ><<6. rudolph the red nosed reindeer--(a fine version altho somewhat marred >by >joni saying "nice rudy rudy" oh well)>> >This one really cracked me up. Great job Walt !!! > >Jimmy _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:04:21 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "Your notch IS liberation, doll" I think the liner notes are misprinted, too. The line is actually: "Your snatch is liberation, doll." Lori, j/k and wearing flame retardent underthings ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's X-mas album njc --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated > He had me going there too Catherine, until I > realized that Bing was dead. Like that's ever stopped anyone! > I loved the thought of her doing a duet with Cher That was where I began to get suspicious. If he had thrown Rosie O'Donnell into the mix, I guess I would have figured it out right away. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:14:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Carly vs Joni njc --- carly wrote: > yes well my xmas cd is already out and iit wonderful > darling. that bitch > can croak thru a xmas cd if she wishes but is till > beat her hands down. Carly, I'm willing to bet that Joni can spell better than you anyway. Shame on you, coming from that publishing family and all! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:40:01 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: 3 volume Book on CSN&Y (NJC) Hi Ashara, I'm so sorry and sad to hear about Pippin ;-( You asked about the 3 volume CNSY book - I have not had the chance to get it (is it available in the U.S. now?) and have been off the Lee Shore list for a bit so haven't heard the latest. However, the authors were all members of that list (and a couple were on the JMDL, too) and they had huge support from Crosby and the boys, and also Dave Zimmer, the author of the previous CSN bios, in putting together these volumes (which they worked on for years). It sounded almost encyclopedic, but also chock full of many new details and stories. There is also supposed to be a large section on Joni in the book. Some jmdlers, including Leslie Mixon and Phyliss, contributed Joni photos to the authors. I would love to hear more from anyone else who has the books. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:49:05 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's X-mas album njc That is priceless! LOL! Had me going, too. > I loved the thought of her doing a duet with Cher :~) I was still believing it at that point and thought "hmmm, well that might be pretty good in a novel way!" My other favorite was Joni's watercolor sketch of CSN as the 3 Kings - hahaha! (or hohoho!) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:58:28 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Statue Well slap my ass and call me Judy (as Evian used to say), I actually get to see a post from David Mingus after 4 years :~) Stop it, Jimmy. You're killing me! LOL! But welcome back indeed, David. And nice photo! Thanks to you for taking it and to Jimmy to for linkin' it. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:01:39 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: downtown messiah - njc but jane siberry content Patrick, What a fantastic, perfect night for you! Wow - thanks for sharing. Sounds like a pretty amazing take on the Messiah, too. > and richard barone, formerly of the bongos, who apparently found his perfect > look in 1983 and hasn't felt a need to change. which was just fine with me. Nice to hear he was there! I was given a promo of his Primal Dream CD back in the early 90s and played it endlessly. He is a great talent that I don't hear mentioned very often. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:32:25 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: hohoho! (njc) Has anyone else heard the new song "Santa Lost a Ho". (he only says hoho...where did the other ho go?)...It's fecking hilarious. It's a group of musicians including Dan Hicks. I can't remember the name of the album or group. Victor in Asheville NP: Joni "Love" - Travelogue...I like this one quite a bit actually - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:52:35 -0500 From: "jacka1z" Subject: Pro-Travelogue vote My first post, hi y'all. >Otherwise, how in the world could someone who cares so >profoundly about her art, and cares so much about what others think of her >art, have allowed the vocal performance on the new recording of Judgement >of >the Moon and Stars (in its entirety) or Sex Kills (the closing moments) to be >included in such a lovely, meticulously crafted project? I think Joni's honesty is so critical to her storytelling. So she's not going to stop now. She is proud, to a certain extent, of who she is. She's not perfect and never has been. So I definitely appreciate that honesty and vulnerability. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:27:20 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: hohoho! (njc) Victor Johnson wrote: > Has anyone else heard the new song "Santa Lost a Ho". (he only says > hoho...where did the other ho go?)...It's fecking hilarious. It's a group > of musicians including Dan Hicks. I can't remember the name of the album > or group. It must be the Christmas Jug Band. They have several CD's out, and will be opening for Hicks and the Hot Licks at the Fillmore (SF) this Sat (I think). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:57:44 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Pro-Travelogue vote Welcome Jack! Great 1st post! best, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Eberhard Weber- Works ECM > My first post, hi y'all. some one said: > >Otherwise, how in the world could someone who cares so > >profoundly about her art, and cares so much about what others think of her > >art, have allowed the vocal performance on the new recording of Judgement > >of > >the Moon and Stars (in its entirety) or Sex Kills (the closing moments) to > be > >included in such a lovely, meticulously crafted project? and then Jack said: I think Joni's honesty is so critical to her storytelling. So she's not > going to stop now. She is proud, to a certain extent, of who she is. She's > not perfect and never has been. So I definitely appreciate that honesty and > vulnerability. > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:44:35 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Joni's voice Ron wrote to Will: <> I couldn't agree more Ron! After all, Travelogue IS showcasing Joni's VOICE, tributing 22 of her fave songs. As I've gushed ever since I first joined this list in 1997, I think her voice & phrasing have improved with each successive album. T'log far surpasses my wildest expectation & I still think it's quite possibly her best yet! For three weeks now I've listened to the whole thing every day. It's flawless folks. Never have I enjoyed an album more, seriously. The way I see it, Joni Mitchell has finally become a GREAT singer, sort of like the female Frank Sinatra of our time. I also see T'log as a major challenge to the disco/grunge/pop/puke dominating the airwaves for decades!!! Pre-WTRF fans have been complaining about Joni's post-C&S voice. Wasn't Mingus the third nail in Joni's coffin after her initially panned Hejira & DJRD? It wasn't until the late 80s & 90s that these seminal works began to become universally recognized. To me if a listener always skips over Paprika Plains when they play DJRD, they are not truly a Joniphile! T'log reminds me a lot of Paprika Plains..... I'm glad that T'log won't be eligible for a grammy until 2004 because it might take at least till then for people to begin to grasp the awesome beauty of it. Unapologetically, ET NP: Hejira (T'log) my fave version yet, along with most of the other 22 songs. PS. Does this make me a Joni Fundamentalist??? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #572 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)