From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #570 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 16 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 570 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Nice Kitty Kitty [Eric Taylor ] RE: Note for future ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Travolgue on the shelf [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Travolgue on the shelf [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Mojo NJC jmdl content [Mags N Brei ] Re: Travolgue on the shelf ["Victor Johnson" ] headphones for Joni (NJC) ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] "Speaking Of Now", by Fred Simon ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] fav album of the year njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni's little trapdoor JC ["William Chavez" ] For any Nick Drake fans! (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: For Free - ick [KLCass21@aol.com] Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers? [Susan Guzzi ] Joni's voice JC ["William Chavez" ] Losing a dear friend (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: Losing a dear friend (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #558 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Losing a dear friend (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers? ["William Chavez" ] Re: Joni's voice JC [Randy Remote ] Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers? [Susan Guzzi ] 20th Century Masters +Joni [Little Bird ] Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers [Susan Guzzi ] RE: Losing a dear friend (NJC) ["patrick leader" ] Lonely Painter ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Detroit in 68, Tori Amos, G.Nash SJC [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] Today's Library Links: December 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:25:50 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Nice Kitty Kitty Back in 1998 I shared with the JMDL how my favorite of all cats, Tac, died & how a new young stray showed up immediately afterwards. A solid black feral male, I named him Fang for his white teeth smiling up at me when I fed him. Last Thursday Fang became extremely sick, throwing up foam with a 106 temp. The vet injected him with antibiotics & rehydrated him with 150cc of fluid. Two days later (this morning) the vet had to do the same thing, as Fang still had a temp of 103. (100 is normal for a cat.) Fang appears to have been poisoned by a neighbor who doesn't appreciate feral cats roaming in the neighborhood. I must confess, I refuse to put a collar on a cat, knowing how very easy it is for them to hang themselves. While I have Fang vaccinated every year, apparently one of my neighbors felt him so much a threat that he/she/it POISONED Fang, either because he doesn't wear a collar, or else because he is a black cat (on this Friday the 13th)..... Needless to say I feel like searching my neighbor's yards for poison right now. I just hope Fang pulls through. I have never seen a sicker cat in my life! He's been in the basement for 4 days! This is even worse than Joni's Man From Mars! Which reminds me: Has Joni's stolen painting of her missing cat ever been recovered??? TTT ET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 7:28:43 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Note for future Who was it that said "life is for learning". Wasn't it some lady named Joni...Mitchell or something? But in all seriousness, I feel this list functions much like Lothlorien in "The Lord of the Rings." What ever you bring with you is what you experience. I am glad things change...life would be awfully boring if they didn't :~} Victor in Asheville > I am tired of seeing people leave the list. I know for my sake it was > personal but it seems when people leave it is always something with the the > note that something was said or that somebody was to negative. > > Things have really changed since you first started the list. - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 04:42:17 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Travolgue on the shelf - --- Little Bird wrote: "I've put Travelogue aside for a while. I find it's getting very heavy, almost like a burden that's been carried for far too long. I need some freshness and lightness". Andrew I've done the same. Somtimes listening to the album is like watching a very long movie about the Titanic. It can surely sound sometimes like an old battleship:) love, nuri >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:48:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travolgue on the shelf In a message dated 12/15/2002 12:50:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > I've put Travelogue aside for a > while. Well, in order to keep balance in the universe, I brought my copy out again - But now I've got it in the player beside my bed, to listen to as I drift off. Worked pretty well last night. Bob NP: Dream Syndicate, "Tell Me When It's Over" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 06:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Mojo NJC jmdl content FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > http://www.geocities.com/thatstrangesite/JMDLinMojo.jpg > <<> thanks for the compliment Jimmy :-) and for posting the link Chuck...Id like to know who the author is. I guess this means we are "almost famous:" ;-) hey it's great PR for the list / community isnt it! love, Mags xo np: sunny came home, shawn colvin perfect sunny sunday music while being fed tea and waffles :-P You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 9:53:0 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Travolgue on the shelf > Well, in order to keep balance in the universe, I brought my copy out again - > But now I've got it in the player beside my bed, to listen to as I drift off. > Worked pretty well last night. Yes....it does work well for that. And I've realized this weekend, that despite having a mixed reaction to Travelogue, it has only served to make me admire Joni's voice and songs even more, particularly when I go back and listen to the original versions of some of the songs on Travelogue, like "Just Like This Train" for example. I hear them differently than I did before...they sound fresher somehow. I'm not sure whether that stems from a like or a dislike for these new versions or perhaps some combination of both or maybe its all on some subconscious level. But in any case they just seem that much more beautiful now. Whether I am a "true admirer" or not I don't care. All I know is what I love listening to. I've been playing Court and Spark alot this weekend and it feels remarkably fresh for some reason. Her voice sounds so beautiful and was what drew me in to this music to begin with. Does that mean I'm some kind of "purist"? No, not at all. If Travelogue serves to foster a deeper love for music that I already love to start with then I am grateful for it. As far as I'm concerned, Blue, For the Roses, and Court and Spark cannot be loved enough and that continue to seem so fresh and vibrant only goes to show just what incredible albums they are. Listening to them does not mean going back to the past but on the contrary, shows just how timeless they are. Most of the Stevie Wonder I listen to is early seventies. I certainly don't admire him any less, simply because I don't listen to his 80's material. Debating over who loves Joni the most rings too much of fundamentalist Christianity, dictating who is going to heaven and who will burn in hell. Just listen to whatever music takes you to that special place and remember there is no inner circle of Joni admirers. There's simply a cd player and cd's that you put in the player. Victor in Asheville NP: JOni "Just Like This Train" - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:25:43 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: headphones for Joni (NJC) Jenny, Go here. http://headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=2&subTopicID=14 These guys know their sound. They make dedicated amplifiers for headphones yet they offer advice on affordable headphones too. If $70 is in your budget, they like the Grado SR60. That's not a household name but Mister Grado has been making cartridges for record players for a long time. He's made a reputation for himself among audiophiles for giving a slice of hi-end quality at bargain prices. While Bose has name recognition, it's because their budget is far bigger than most companies. The sound of their products is "pushy" which may sound impressive in the store but it's a distortion of what the artist intended and is not respected among audiophiles who actually compare over a period of time. You want a headphone that has no character of its own. It should add nothing. I'd urge you to avoid anything that claims "turbo" or "mega-bass" or "super-bass", etc. You don't want those because they offer muddy bass. You want something designed for classical or jazz music. That's how manufacturers describe models that don't artificially favor one octave over the others. (By the way, every portable CD player I've ever owned with a "mega-bass" or "Train" mode give you muddy bass. What I mean is it makes Jaco sound like he's in a hockey arena, playing the same note over and over. You only hear a muffled roar and can't hear him moving around to different notes. Basses have fretboards. You should hear that! Make sense? What you'll get in return is being able to understand almost every word, especially on TRAVELOGUE. On the BLUE album, you'll clearly and unmistakably hear James Taylor's finger-picking guitar on one side and Joni stumming whole chords on a dulcimer on the other side. If you've never heard the WILD THINGS RUN FAST album on headphones or a hi-end system, you're in for a treat! You'll also hear bad edits on COURT AND SPARK. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:46:38 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Speaking Of Now", by Fred Simon Fred, Where can I buy this online? I checked Amazon and cdbaby. Help. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:10:14 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #551 Hi all - I've been away on vacation, so am 10 days behind on my stuff. Apropos of this old thread (with apologies): Randy wrote: > Have you ever taken a few bites of food, and said "uh...no > thanks...." ? > Would eating more of it make you like it better? > > Eric W Taylor wrote: > I always love it when a critical reviewer pans an album > > >admittedly before listening to the first half of it. > Having suffered some humiliation in similar past circumstances (and hopefully having acquired some of the humility that I richly deserve) may I offer the following (in reverse chronological order) ? 1. Over my life I have tried many foods about which, after a few bites (or sips) I have said "uh,.. no thanks". In many if not most cases, that was it for the day, I must admit. These foods included liver, salmon, brussel sprouts, beer and cabernet sauvignon. I assume you get the drift. I tried them all again. Eventually, some of them became my favorite foods. I was wrong the first time. That said, I still hate brussel sprouts. And, I liked ice cream the first time - I still like it. In Joni's case, I did not 'get' THOSL or Hejira. I listened many times, then quit on them for 20 years. Over those 20 years, I revisited them perhaps once per year, just to make sure. Finally, my tastes evolved and my senses opened. What a fool was I ? 2. While Eric rather obviously hyperbolized his response ("always" is a big word - have you ever before read a critical reviewer admit to panning an album before finishing it ? - and as Azeem later said, he was clearly simply listening for the first time and sharing his first impressions), I do understand Eric's visceral reaction to a negative commentary based on a first listen. Especially given my previous experiences, and in the context of the respect I - and arguably all of us - have for Joni as an artist. To dismiss after (or during) a first listen sounds to my ear to be disrespectful (even if one is correct) at best, and could be viewed as foolishly arrogant (if one turns out to be wrong) at worst. For this reason, there is - IMO - a difference between offering a negative first impression and a positive first impression. (If it turns out that the positive first impression was premature, well....sort of 'no harm, no foul'...but on the other side..) 3. For this reason, I have committed (a promise to myself and to Joni, if you will) not to offer my first impressions - they are not (trust)worthy. I have listened to T about 5 time through at this time, and since I do not have to learn new songs, am closer to offering a "critical review" than I would have been had the album contained new material. To prove that I think Joni is not a goddess and is only human ;-), I will offer this one conclusion that I am unlikely to change - For the Roses should not have been selected for this album. That is not a commentary as to whether I think this arrangement of the song was well done or not. When I am brave (or foolish) enough to write and post my review, I will explain my admittedly less than invaluable opinion in this regard. Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:38:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Speaking of Judy njc Speaking of Judy Collins, Collectors Choice Music has an "exclusive" 3 cd 36 song greatest hits collection in their brand new catalog, and the first 500 copies will be autographed by Ms. Collins. At $27.95, JC fans might like to check it out. BSN and Chelsea Morning are part of the collection BTW. More at http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=EDI70952 No, I don't work for them. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:28:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: fav album of the year njc well, i haven't bought that many so i don't have a long list, only a top favorite which is: 1,000 Kisses by Patty Griffin ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:17:46 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni's little trapdoor JC >I'm sure she would have thanked me profusely for my advice, smiling >graciously as she operated the lever to the trapdoor... Would she do this with a cigarette in hand or would it be on the ash tray? I bet she would love to do this to 95% of the people in the music biz and there would be nothing gracious about it. (She would probably be smiling though). Actually Joni wouldn't be Joni if she didn't have tons of opposing forces. While she may bitch about the oppositions, I think keeping them nearby is how she feels most stimulated to move on and create. A trap door would be like a nuclear bomb for her, something you have just in case you really get pushed but hopefully never really find yourself wanting to use it. The RollingStone mag would probably have done some cute little humorous drawing to the whole Joni/Trapdoor image. Will _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:24:24 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: For any Nick Drake fans! (njc) Got this link on the Nick Drake list. Very cool song clips with some computer animation. Victor in Asheville http://www.poetryinmotion.nl/menu.html Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.comVisit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:35:37 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Execution of anti-Travelogers? >Perhaps we should round up all those who don't like Travelogue, who think >Joni can't sing anymore, try them(just a formality-they are as guilty as >sin) and sentence them to death. >who wants to be in the firing squad? You know I like this kind of rough playing around with words but at times I have ended up on the firing line for it. Hopefully the "guilty" (or the firing squad) doesn't turn around and open fire on Judge Colin for something that was really only a joke. Will _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:02:22 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Re: For Free - ick In a message dated 12/14/2002 3:00:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > "for free". ick > > Wow. For Free (off of MOA!) is one of favorites. Have you listened to > this version lately. I think its stunning. > I first heard Joni in 1984 in Ed's college dorm room. I had heard of her before but thought she was a country singer. I thought she was OK, but then again I was more fascinated with the large population of Dead Heads on campus. Over the following 2 semesters, Ed played Joni's music and made attempts to enrich me musically. Stifled in my parents home in 1985 for summer break, I bought C&S and LOTC in an attempt to reconnect with my college friends far away. I can pinpoint the exact moment that summer when I realized Joni's significance and brilliance. I was standing at the window waiting for a friend to pick me up, listening to For Free and reading the lyrics on my gatefold. I could not believe what I was hearing! This singer acknowledging everything she has; jewels, velvet curtain calls, limos, yet she really feels the sound coming from a street musician. I never heard a singer so revealed. Although I had been listening to Joni for a year, this was the first time I ever HEARD her. My friend arrived and we went straight to the record store where I picked up a copy of Blue. The journey had begun. Ed, wherever you are, thank you. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers? Will, apparently you've never read anything else I've ever posted other than our recent tiff. Which is ended I presume, so I will assume this comment was in jest. Thanks for the heads up on Colin's comments - I really thought he was serious. :-D By the way Colin, is one of my friends here and the difference is, his comments were a joke. You need a few shots of Wild Turkey brother ... and I'm just the gal to join you and help loosen you up! I happen to be a huge sarcastic punk for the most part. And am not above laughing at myself or playing a fool for fun. See Jonifest 2002 ... "Channeling Ethel." The proof is in the pudding baby! And by the way, I am not the firing squad ... I am the executioner, mask and all brother! Except I don't cut off heads - I aim for where it really hurts! LOL! And A Happy Holiday Season To All And To All A Good Night! ;-P Peace, Susan P. S. Y'all didn't think I would really lay silent - did you!? NP: Joni/LOTC/ Willy - no kidding! Will wrote: > You know I like this kind of rough playing around with words but at times I > have ended up on the firing line for it. Hopefully the "guilty" (or the > firing squad) doesn't turn around and open fire on Judge Colin for something > that was really only a joke. > Will > > ____________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:28:56 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni's voice JC With all this talk about Joni's singing for weeks, I think that some of what some people consider a poor vocal performance to be intentional by Joni. Being a lover of women singers with low voices and voices with a lot of CHARACTER, I latch on to all the imperfections. I'm often surprised that I love singers like Judy Collins or Ella Fitzgerald because their voices are almost too perfect. I probably like them because despite their perfect voices they still have good interpretation skills (it's rare to find both in a singer). Imperfection is what makes people like Bruce S., Stevie Nicks, Patty Smith, BILLY HOLIDAY, etc... so appealing to me (vocal imperfections tend to add character in my book). It makes them very HUMAN. I love it when Joni is slowly descending with a vocal line that is almost not audible. I love it when she is about to do a fade at the end of a phrase and her vocals come in and out throughout the bottom part of the wave. Sometimes you might hear some air rushing out but definitely nothing you could ID as a vocal sound. Yes, a lot of this is due to a declining voice for whatever reason, but do you really think Joni didn't listen to her vocals before she put out this project. Absolutely she did!!!!!!!!! She has got to be very well aware of what she sounds like and my take is that she likes what she hears. We are talking about someone who prefers Holiday(late period) over Fitzgerald. She gravitates towards interpretation over technique, and limited vocal ranges over seemingly unlimited ones. I listen to this project knowing one thing, that her vocal delivery is ALL intentional. Wherever she felt she couldn't reach a not in some places, she changed the melody line. In other places she went for it because the seemingly failed attempt sounded valid to her. Sure we are still free to dislike it, but my guess is it was all done intentionally(the vocals). The orchestration may have fallen short in some places, even to Mitchell's ears, but this is a part she has less control over. She can only try her best to get them to play what she is feeling or hearing in her head and most of the times this is difficult to convey. This is something that is better worked out once you are out on the road and the musicians start taking liberties with the music to try and make the monotony of playing the same thing more interesting. To be a total musical tyrant and not allow Mendoza and Klein some room to express, despite the outcome, would be very un-jazz like. I think vocal technique and sounding perfect has little to do with what Joni is trying to do here. It's all about a human interpretation through the eyes of someone who is declining in some ways and growing in others(an "old sage" if you will). You don't get to be an old sage without physical, psychological and emotional changes. It would be an error to hide such changes that are vital to who you are. One thing that does strike me as odd is that she has shifted towards this jazz standards type of music because she wanted to dedicate all of her senses towards her vocal delivery(not necessarily improve technique). She once stated that her songs had become too wordy for her to do this effectively. What I find odd is that in several places she has added extra words to her original lines giving her less space than before to interpret vocally. She has created more space by slowing down the songs and some of the word changes and additions have really changed the feel to certain sentences, so I'm sure this was also intentional (despite the slight loss of singing space). For those of you who might think that Joni might be upset with some of the negative things that people have said, on and off the list, and feel obligated to defend her, I wouldn't spend much of this mis guided energy. I think that the only thing that Joni doesn't like about the negative press is the loss of potential sales. When you compare controversy over sales, I would bet she would take the controversy. There is nothing that Joni likes better than to say that those who initially put down her work most times turn around and say how important and influential it has become (her superiority complex is definetly one of the reasons why I find her so interesting). It makes her feel like she is definitely ahead of the game and on some elevated platform where there is really only room enough for her. Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:34:33 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Losing a dear friend (NJC) Since many of you over the years of Jonifest have met my sweet, sweet companion of many years, I thought you would want to know this sad news. My loving and faithful German Shepherd, Pippin, has been as much a part of Jonifest as tequila and guitars. She endured being dressed up with a Joni t-shirt and had the benefit of many, many hugs from all of you that have visited my home. Several people still ask about her when we e-mail and IM each other. Sadly, Pippin has been failing over the past year, and this weekend has really gone downhill. The decision to put her down has not been an easy one, and I have struggled back and forth with the decision for many months. I can only believe that her rapid decline this weekend was her way of helping me to know she is ready to go. I will be calling the vet tomorrow, and hope they can take us tomorrow afternoon. Thanks to all of you that showed such kindness to her while you were here. Sad hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:18:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Losing a dear friend (NJC) goodbye dear pippin! you'll go to puppies' heaven. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:21:51 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Losing a dear friend (NJC) > she is ready to go. Many hugs to Pippin for her journey, and to you Ashara, as you hold her paw ... Pippin - who really did put up with a lot from us, and did so with grace and humor - will always be fondly remembered. Peace, Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:33:29 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #558 Again, catching up a week late. John Sprackland asks: > just how DO you pronounce > Hejira? Phonetic spellings please! > > > I recall this being a topic of mention between the Judd sisters at the TNT tribute concert. And, Joni uses the word often in her concerts. It is presented in the Random House unabridged (my favorite dictionary by a lot) as hi jye' ruh (first pronunciation - note accent on second syllable), or hej' uhr uh (second pronunciation - note accent on first syllable) I tried to phoneticize this. In the first pronunciation, the second styllable is simply a long "i". In the second pronunciation, the uh sounds are replaced by an upside down "e". I have not heard anyone except myself prounounce it in either of these two ways. Hmm. Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:49:20 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Losing a dear friend (NJC) Dear Ashara, Much love and support as you help your dear friend over to the other side. I know it's a hard decision sweetie, but it sounds like the right one. I do have a fond memory of Pippin playing on my sympathies and others, to get a shrimp or two, from the shrimp cleaning brigade back at Jonifest 2001. Hugs and Love and as always .... Peace, Susan NP: Joni/Blue/River Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:06:16 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers? No Susan, since our recent "tiff" I've actually noticed that you are one of the ones with the biggest sense of humor on this list. I really mean that. It is just difficult to match up things said with a face until there is a discrepancy that makes you stand out. This is a fortunate and unfortunate thing but usually ends up positive on this list. I don't know that I had tied you in with many of the funny things written here until we had our recent tiff. "Susan Guzzi" is now more like a real person and I see that you know some of the people here quite well by the way you joke with them. Whenever you post my brain clicks with "Oh, I kind of know this person-at least a little". My comment was just a note on things said for the sake of humor and how I hope everybody takes it that way. I'm sure Colin did not really mean execute all those who hate Travelogue(well maybe he did-Hee, hee). He has probably been here long enough that people now that it was a joke(i hope). After I sent that I did think to myself, "If Susan(and a maybe a few others) reads this, she might think it's a jab at her". It's not! Until recently, you probably didn't make much note about much of what I have written here but believe me you have not been the first person to clunk me over the head with the biggest stick you could find. The bump on my head is gone now and so your presumption that our tiff is over is correct :). I said "Peace, Will" and I meant it and you said "Peace Susan" and it sounded as if you meant it as well. As Kate mentioned (I think it was Kate), the arguing just leads to better understanding. I just hate the arguing part despite how important it may be for the sake of really living. I will add that at this point, whenever I post, I find myself trying to guess what certain people will think, whether they respond with something or not. Trying to calculate responses. Of course this is usually after I've pressed the send button. Often too late. I'm sure this affects what I write at least at a subconscious level. True for anyone else? A few days ago I actually went through most of the pictures of the Jonifest to try and get a better feel for certain people by appearance. Not that this is very accurate but...and found that a lot of people that continuously write here were missing. I also found that a few people did not look at all the way I envisioned them. I had envisioned Kate looking like Joan Baez for some reason(her short hair cut period) and Bob(SCJoni...) as Jerry Garcia with a Budweiser. Wrong on both counts. Well, I think I'm right about the Budweiser part. I hope they don't take that the wrong way. I'm sure I'll hear about it if they do. Peace, Will >From: Susan Guzzi >To: William Chavez >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers? >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:10:28 -0800 (PST) > > >Will, apparently you've never read anything else I've ever posted other >than our recent tiff. >Which is ended I presume, so I will assume this comment was in jest. > >Thanks for the heads up on Colin's comments - I really thought he was >serious. :-D >By the way Colin, is one of my friends here and the difference is, his >comments were a joke. You >need a few shots of Wild Turkey brother ... and I'm just the gal to join >you and help loosen you >up! > >I happen to be a huge sarcastic punk for the most part. And am not above >laughing at myself or >playing a fool for fun. See Jonifest 2002 ... "Channeling Ethel." The >proof is in the pudding >baby! > >And by the way, I am not the firing squad ... I am the executioner, mask >and all brother! Except >I don't cut off heads - I aim for where it really hurts! LOL! > >And A Happy Holiday Season To All And To All A Good Night! ;-P > >Peace, >Susan > >P. S. Y'all didn't think I would really lay silent - did you!? > >NP: Joni/LOTC/ Willy - no kidding! > >Will wrote: > > You know I like this kind of rough playing around with words but at >times I > > have ended up on the firing line for it. Hopefully the "guilty" (or the > > firing squad) doesn't turn around and open fire on Judge Colin for >something > > that was really only a joke. > > Will > > > > ____________ >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:18:25 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers?(njc) and Bob(SCJoni...) as Jerry Garcia > with a Budweiser. Wrong on both counts. LOL....considering how Bob has made it clear that he can't stand the Grateful Dead. ...though I have to give him credit for coming to see me perform with Cosmic Charlie(Athens based dead cover band) Victor in Asheville, soon to be "in Atlanta" for a week or two - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:25:34 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Losing a dear friend (NJC) In honor of Pippin... "Merry and Pippin climbed on to the bed and curled up in the soft grass and fern. It was fresh, and sweet-scented, and warm. The lights died down, and the glow of the trees faded; but outside under the arch they could see Treebeard standing, motionless, with his arms raised above his head. The bright stars peered out of the sky, and lit the falling water as it spilled on to his fingers and head, and dripped, dripped, in hundreds of silver drops on to his feet. Listening to the tinkling of drops the hobbits fell asleep." Tolkien (The Two Towers-Book Three Ch.IV, p.499) May Pippin have a peaceful rest. love, Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:44:15 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Joni's voice JC Yes, a lot of this is due to a declining voice for whatever reason, > but do you really think Joni didn't listen to her vocals before she put out > this project. Absolutely she did!!!!!!!!! I listen to this project knowing one thing, > that her vocal delivery is ALL intentional. I certainly hope so...I would hate to think that someone held her at gunpoint and forced her to sing in a way not to her liking...:~} Victor in Asheville NP: Tom Waits "Alice" one of my favorite cd's of the year! - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:43:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's voice JC Interesting thoughts. As someone who very much prefers Billie Holiday's earlier stuff, the question of expression makes me think that no matter how much expression you intend for a given performance, if you have less of an instrument (voice) to work with, you have, well, you have less to work with. There are places you cannot go. Sure you can make up for it with inflection, etc, but that is compensation. I wonder if she pulls half the hairs out of her paintbrush to intentionally get more expression out of it. Somehow I doubt it. So I'm left with the conclusion that her limited voice is something she has to work around, and it is not so much intentional as the price of chain-smoking. Not to dredge up the smoking issue again, but, as with any addiction, not only the addict, but those around her also suffer. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers? Hey Will, Thanks for your post, I am glad again that we are getting to be more on the same page as far as understanding. I hope posting with witt and banter will soon be less weighted for both of us and between us. It does take time and trust. - --- William Chavez wrote: > No Susan, since our recent "tiff" I've actually noticed that you are one of the ones with the biggest sense of humor on this list. I really mean that. > It is just difficult to match up things said with a face until there is a discrepancy that makes you stand out. This is a fortunate and unfortunate thing but usually ends up positive on this list. I don't know that I had tied you in with many of the funny things written here until we had our recent tiff. "Susan Guzzi" is now more like a real person and I see that you now some of the people here quite well by the way you joke with them. Me: No doubt most knew and will take it that way. But of course I had to jump on it just for fun ... and to scare people into thinking we would get into it again!! LOL! Although in all seriousness I did not think we would. Will: > Whenever you post my brain clicks with "Oh, I kind of know this person-at least a little". My comment was just a note on things said for the sake of humor and how I hope everybody takes it that way. Me: I think it was a jab - but playful, as was my response. No harm no foul. Will: After I sent that I did think to myself, "If Susan(and a maybe a few others) reads this, she might think it's a jab at her". It's not! Me: Oh I beg to differ, I read your posts and knew exactly who you were. By the way any relation to the late great Caesar Chavez and more importantly - can we eat grapes yet?! Lettuce? LOL! God I hope you are old enough to remember this! Sorry about that bump and I didn't hit you with a stick that was my purse! Will: > Until recently, you probably didn't make much note about much of what I have written here but believe me you have not been the first person to clunk me over the head with the biggest stick you could find. The bump on my head is gone now and so your presumption that our tiff is over is correct :). Me: I hear you brother. I always end with peace, as well. And I mean it in so many more ways than the obvious. I think we often think of arguing in a negative way because of yellng or bickering growing up. But when i say arguing it is debating or striving for an understanding. I truly am uncomfortable with confrontaion. But I feel safe here in this forum taking a stand or expressing myself. Will: I said "Peace, Will" and I meant it and you said "Peace Susan" and it sounded as if > you meant it as well. As Kate mentioned (I think it was Kate), the arguing > just leads to better understanding. I just hate the arguing part despite how important it may be for the sake of really living. > Me: I believe most of us do the same Will. But again, as time goes on I have felt better and safer that I will be heard or understood. And that takes effort on everybody's part, which I truly appreciate. I think the subconcious eventualy relaxes, I know it took me quite awhile, but then that had to do with many other factors for me personally. Will: > I will add that at this point, whenever I post, I find myself trying to guess what certain people will think, whether they respond with something or not. Trying to calculate responses. Of course this is usually after I've pressed the send button. Often too late. I'm sure this affects what I write at least at a subconscious level. True for anyone else? > Me: Oh geez why'd you go and do that!? LOL! I look nothing like those pictures - soooo much cuter in person! LOL again! Yeah, Kate is much more Emmy Lou and Bob is much more Bobby De Niro. And yes you are right about the Budweiser. Will: > A few days ago I actually went through most of the pictures of the Jonifest to try and get a better feel for certain people by appearance. Not that this is very accurate but...and found that a lot of people that continuously write here were missing. I also found that a few people did not look at all the way I envisioned them. I had envisioned Kate looking like Joan Baez for some reason(her short hair cut period) and Bob(SCJoni...) as Jerry Garcia with a Budweiser. Wrong on both counts. Well, I think I'm right about the Budweiser part. I hope they don't take that the wrong way. I'm sure I'll hear about it if they do. Me: Nice talking to you, take care all! Peace, Susan NP: Joni/Clouds/That Song About the Midway Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:00:22 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: 20th Century Masters +Joni Does anyone know why there is not a compilation of Joni's work for this "Millennium Collection" of 20th Century Masters? They have a compilation CD for just about every single act out there, most of them totally undeserving of the "Masters" title. Why is Joni not among them? There's one for Dylan and one for Joan Baez, which includes "Di Da" with Joni on vocals, but none devoted exclusively to Joni. ABBA, Paul Simon, Liza Minnelli, Judy Garland, The Beatles, Ray Charles, Louis Armstrong, Barbra Streisand, Billie Holiday and a multitude of others all get their "20th Century Masters" collection CD. Is this yet another case of Joni interfering with the honour process? - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Execution of anti-Travelogers Damn those last couple posts should have been NJC - soooo sorry. Peace, Susan Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:08:06 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Losing a dear friend (NJC) sometimes a friend bears the weight of all our associations. a child bears (and sometimes resents) the name of her grandmother. a pet might bear so many more unreasonable dreams. i admit, i've loved pippin both for the tolkeinish name, and also for the musical comedy name. i shared that with ashara. but i have also loved pippin, the dog, through many years and jonifests, for his good nature, his gentle companionship... he has been one of the sweetest mammals i've been blessed to cross paths with. i deeply respect you, ashara, for forthrightly facing the decision you have to make. i send so much love and support your direction, to you and pippin. the end of his life will be as deeply cared-for as the rest of his life has been, and that is truly a blessing. he couldn't have been luckier... patrick np - something from t'log >"Merry and Pippin climbed on to the bed and curled up in the soft grass and >fern. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:08:59 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Lonely Painter I am not sending this as a trash Mitchell but as a play on words and truth, attached is the first attempt to paint since 1980 ... for those in need of titles it is "911". I am a lonely painter who cannot live in a box of paints though secretly the desire to do so drives my depression as I work long hours for little pay and even less in respect and zero in intellectual gratification but as my favorite holiday of human kind approaches I offer this very poorly taken picture of this painting that I managed to fit into my rather meager schedule of ...well you know the routine. And of ocurse, as always, it is first and foremost to say hi to the painter who caused me to fly many miles to talk very stupid but fill a void - other wise known as worthy campanionship that for these many years in absence of sanity and any dedication to anything on the part of the mass average has had to be a rather distant relationship, one sided, but worth it anyway how i do run on Merry Christmas and All of my Wishes for Peace and Sanity Descending Upon the Human Race and FOrcing it In Spite of Its Ignorant Self to Choose Life Suzanne [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of 911.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:17:36 EST From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Detroit in 68, Tori Amos, G.Nash SJC When I saw Joni in 1971 in Detroit I think at the Masonic Hall she came out on stage and said "The last Time I was here was in 68, but she refered to the Elm Trees dieing of the "Dutch Elm Tree Virus" and then started playing TLTISR . I got lucky and won ticket's to see Tori Amos play three songs in a small performance room at KINK FM of course when the DJ asked her about what music influenced her when she was young she said she listened to "Ladies of the Canyon" LP.Tori was dressed in the best Saks 5th Ave. apparel she was wearing the same shoes as on her Scarlet's Walk CD "Hey I was siting in the front row". She started to tear up when she was telling the story about an Indian Woman talking to her after a performance. Also she told a good story about being back stage hanging with Diana Ross and another Diva in a dressing room threw a tantrum and the dresser came out of the room in tears Diana consoled the dresser with a remark "Give me a few minutes with Miss So and So she apparently does not have the right playbook. Mr. Nash came on KINK fm here in Portland pushing his book on "Song Writers", This is the only station in town that plays Joni of course the DJ ask him for a story on his song "my house'' it seems G&J spent the day on the town visiting Antique shop's and when they got back home he wrote that song. NP Tori Amos "Gold Dust" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:27:59 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 16 On December 16 the following items were published: 1974: "An Evening Spent at Joni's" - Time (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=6 1974: "Rock 'n' Roll's Leading Lady" - Time (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=5 1977: "Joni Mitchell is Still Going Her Own Way" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=255 1985: "Joni Mitchell" - People (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=240 1999: "Joni Mitchell" - Rolling Stone (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=591 2000: "Yorkville's Evolution" - Toronto Star (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=785 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #570 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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