From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #566 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, December 13 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 566 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: RE: Joni, the musical! njc - now, billy joel! the musical! [] Re: Joni, the musical! [Ricw1217@aol.com] signing off ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni, the musical! [Catherine McKay ] RE: Joni, the musical! (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] JMDLers Live from New Orleans (njc) ["kakki" ] Now playing (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Now playing (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Now playing (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: dogs don'ts NJC ["kasey simpson" ] Re: t'log, shorter and blade [Eric Taylor ] Today's Library Links: December 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Usama & the big boobed blonde [Eric Taylor ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:13:40 -0600 From: Subject: Re: RE: Joni, the musical! njc - now, billy joel! the musical! Patrick Leader wrote: "> yikes, mary, go read the article again! the whole point of it is that twyla > took a show that got really bad reviews on the road in chicago, was kind of > a mess, and has turned it into a hit. she wasn't cleaning up after someone > else either, it was her own show. she did it, and that's very rare on > b'way. the show's currently got an $8.5 million advance. i'm dying to see > it." Patrick, you're right. I realized later in the day that I had read the article too quickly before citing it to the list. The show did indeed have problems in Chicago, which Tharp ironed out before it opened in Broadway. My point is still that this sort of thing has been done before, and it could be done with Joni's music. In fact, *wasn't* it done with a show in western Canada within the past year or so--or was that another concept? Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:27:09 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni, the musical! gee. just cause you like billy joel's music and dislike travelogue we are suppose to build you a house???? heather In a message dated 12/12/02 11:48:24 AM, adammulvey@blueyonder.co.uk writes: On a related note: has anyone seen the article in today's New York Times > about "Movin' Out," the Twyla Tharp dance production based on a cycle of > Billy Joel's songs? According to the article, that particular show is > still > plagued with serious problems. > > The most serious of which probably being that it's a musical based on a > cycle of Billy Joel songs. > > Adam > Ric wrote in reply: boy, you sure have the opinions, huh? and god help whoever disagrees with yours! i happen to like billy joel's music. and i also happen to think most of travelogue is embarrassing. go ahead! go get your hammers, your boards and your nails... geez! ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:11:08 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! In a message dated 12/12/02 7:05:35 PM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > since you confessed, you get to choose your manner of execution. > (however, boards and nails are all ready reserved for the other listers > whose angst is greater) > damn. that's me. joni come lately. let's see. i want something creative! how about i lay down in the middle of the road and a car full of joni pod people run over me time and time again, while i dream flat tires? sigh. only the good die young! i DO like SOME of travelogue. i think cherokee louise is nice, and dawntreader, i think, is lovely. there are a few others too! i think i actually like t-log's borderline better than the original! how about THAT! does that get me a phone call from the governor? i can handle the ruined voice. it has a sort of world weariness i can get behind. its those sappy arrangements! to my famously tin ear, they sound like a soundtrack to those b-list movies from the 1950's. i keep expecting to hear bette davis breathing her last as the room goes dark! they make me want to get up and change the cat litter. and to think if i had JUST KEPT MY BIG MOUTH SHUT, i could have probably infiltrated this list's inner circle! (i know, i know...pipe dream...) love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:28:54 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: signing off I didn't go to work yesterday because on Tuesday the right side of my neck, head and shoulders hurt so bad that I couldn't face sitting at the computer for 8 hours. It's much better now but this has been a chronic thing with me for some time now. I went to the doctor yesterday and he ordered some x-rays. He said I may need some physical therapy and possibly an evaluation and ergonomic adjustment of my work station. So I haven't been reading email for the past 3 days and there are 226 unread JMDL messages in my inbox. I've come to the conclusion that it isn't doing me much good to spend 8 hours at a computer at work and then come home & sit in front of another one for another one to two (or three or four) more hours. So I've come to the conclusion that I need to unsub from the JMDL. I've thought about doing this many times in the past when discussions have gotten ugly or when my insecure child has felt that he hasn't been paid much attention to. But I've always managed to convince myself that I shouldn't be childish and that I would miss you all much too much to let some foolish notion of mine deprive me of your company. But now I feel that this is a compelling enough reason to leave. I know there are others with much more serious and debilitating health issues than mine. But I think that I need to take some action to try and do something that might improve mine. Travis suggested that I just read messages with subject lines that appeal to me but I just don't think I could do that. I would be too afraid I had missed something or someone worthwhile. If anyone wants to keep in touch, I would love hearing from you. I'm at mark.travis@gte.net. Drop a line from time to time. I may find the withdrawal pangs are too much for me and come right back. Or I may resub somewhere down the road. Wishing you all peace, love and joy. For those that celebrate holidays at this time of year, Happy Holidays! I will miss you all in one way or the other. Love to You All, Mark E. in Seattle or is it Mark in Seattle? or Mark E. in Shoreline? just where the hell am I anyway? he's a real nowhere man/sitting in his nowhere land............ Bye! Mark Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, the musical! --- Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated > i can handle the ruined > voice. it has a sort of world weariness i can get > behind. its those sappy > arrangements! to my famously tin ear, they sound > like a soundtrack to those > b-list movies from the 1950's. i keep expecting to > hear bette davis > breathing her last as the room goes dark! they > make me want to get up and > change the cat litter. LOL, Ric, this cracked me right up. I have a love/hate relationship with this CD. Today I love it (again). Tomorrow, who knows? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:19:9 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Joni, the musical! (njc) > gee. just cause you like billy joel's music and dislike travelogue we are > suppose to build you a house???? > > heather > Yes...we're doing it "All for Lena" but it's actually a "glass house" so we won't really need the boards and nails and hammers but thanks all the same... Victor in Asheville, remembering camping out for Billy Joel tickets way back when for the Bridge tour, playing frisbee in the early morning in the freezing cold, and going to kick the frisbee and watching it shatter into a thousand pieces... "Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" Peter Tosh??? - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:07:04 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: JMDLers Live from New Orleans (njc) I'm tuned into the live stream from Tipitina's for Jack and Giselle's show tonight at http://www.tipitinas.com/ My screen pic it too small to see if that is Jack onstage now but it sure sounds like him - currently playing Karla Bonoff's "Falling Star." Report in later you partiers ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:10:49 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Now playing (njc) It is Jack playing on the Tipitina's stream (someone just mentioned his name and CD) and I think I even hear a bit of Les Irvin backing him up on yet another Karla song. Check it out! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:36:38 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Now playing (njc) In a message dated 12/13/02 12:06:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > It is Jack playing on the Tipitina's stream (someone just mentioned his name > and CD) and I think I even hear a bit of Les Irvin backing him up on yet > another Karla song. Check it out! > > Thanks for the reminder Kakki !!! My screen is too small to see them, but I'm listening to Jack and Christina right now, and they're doing a great job. It's like a virtual Jonifest. Is Les really backing them up? Damn, I wish it wasn't so late.......I have to go to bed. Way to go Jack!!!! Congratulations on the new CD. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:48:20 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Now playing (njc) Jimmy wrote: > Thanks for the reminder Kakki !!! My screen is too small to see them, but > I'm listening to Jack and Christina right now, and they're doing a great job. > It's like a virtual Jonifest. Is Les really backing them up? It's another back-up band playing now (including Lama's secret girfriend Beth Patterson ;-) but I thought I heard Les on mandolin earlier (he's there to sit in). Just heard Christina, too - WOW. Jack, many congratulations to you - your songs are so gorgeous. Bravo to Mr. Paz, too. Oh don't go to bed yet - they just announced a set coming up from Paz and Christina! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:54:17 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: dogs don'ts NJC Now I know why my dog is so nuts! I've done all the don'ts. Ok, so my next dog will be able to sing the meow mix song. LOL Kasey DON'T let your dog sleep in your bed. It will cause aggression problems down the road. DON'T make your dog sleep in a crate. Crate is just another word for small cage. DON'T let your dog sleep outside at night. If God had wanted dogs to sleep outside, he would have covered their body with hair to keep them warm. DON'T let your dog sleep. You should be playing with him all the time. DON'T keep more than two dogs. Each individual dog requires considerable time and energy, and it is impossible for a responsible dog owner to spend quality time with more than two dogs. DON'T keep fewer than five dogs. Dogs are pack animals, and five dogs is the minimum number for proper socialization. DON'T feed your dog kibble. Kibble is the invention of evil capitalists who want your money, and kibble has no nutritional value whatsoever. You might as well feed your dog sawdust. DON'T cook your dog's meat or chicken. Cooking destroys all the nutrients. DON'T feed your dog raw meat or raw chicken. Raw food contains salmonella, e-coli, and other harmful bacteria. DON'T let your dog drink out of a plastic bowl. It will turn his nose pink. DON'T post messages to a dog list. You will surely get bopped on the head for thinking that someone else cares about your silly little opinions. DON'T poke your eye with a sharp stick. It has nothing to do with dogs, but it's a good rule nonetheless. DON'T microchip your dog. A nearby cell phone can cause a microchipped dog to explode, or so says the lady running the tattoo booth. DON'T tattoo your dog on the ear. A dog thief will cut off the tattooed ear. DON'T tattoo your dog on the thigh. He'll be a tripod before you can say Ginsu. DON'T keep a collar on your dog when unattended. He could get caught on something and choke. DON'T leave your dog unattended without a collar. He could run away without any identification. DON'T transport your dog in a plastic crate. Plastic crates don't allow sufficient air flow. DON'T transport your dog in a wire crate. In a car accident, a wire crate transforms into a doggie skewer. On days you plan to have a car accident, it's acceptable to use a plastic crate. DON'T let your dog drive. It's against the law in many states. DON'T enter your dog in conformation. It's b-o-r-i-n-g for the dog. DON'T enter your dog in obedience. It's B-o-r-i-n-g with a capital "B." DON'T enter your dog in agility. The jumps will injure his joints. DON'T send your dog out with a handler. Only a psychopath would send their beloved pet with a complete stranger. DON'T handle your dog yourself. You've got a great dog, and he deserves a much better handler than you will ever be. DON'T get a purebred dog. Too much inbreeding has produced dogs with temperament and health problems. DON'T get a mutt. You don't know anything about their pedigree. In fact, if you're thinking about getting a dog, get a cat instead. DON'T don't. That's right, you heard me, just don't! DON'T leave your dog's dewclaws intact. He will rip one off jumping a log or something, which is quite painful. DON'T remove your dog's dewclaws. Dewclaws are acupuncture points that are needed for proper functioning of the kidneys. AND, the #1 DON'T .... DON'T trim your dog's whiskers. Dogs use their whiskers to determine the size of their head, which is important when they are out shopping for a new hat.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:14:50 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: t'log, shorter and blade J.David Sapp wrote: << I think joni takes a huge risk with T'log - evidence all the debate. I also don't compare with the earlier versions - T'log stands as its own work with a great song cycle. As to Shorter I think the problem is that he is mixed at the same volume as joni, this was a creative choice i don't understand but i think joni may have been trying to move the music away from strictly "classical". Meanwhile i love Blade's work - really fine. He and the other percussionist hit a home run on Hejira. >> Me 3!!! Listening to T'log tonight as background music with friends (the way most people seem to listen to music) I contemplated the huge risk Joni (& Nonesuch) took on making such a low key high production! 2/3rds of the way through, played softly with the 3 of us yapping, Betty commented: "It's so nice to be able to hear ever word she sings." My 70's rock-n-roll snob friend Bill agreed, simply calling T'log "beautiful." I was stunned, assuming that they weren't listening. Betty & Bill gave it 2 thumbs up, having only heard a few of Joni's songs before. Shorter & Blade certainly SHINE (esp on the Hejira stuff)!!! & I think Mendosa did a FANTASTIC job on all of the songs (esp Slouching ~ turn it up real loud at "raging & raging" to relish the Joniesque subtlety). Most people have had major problems grasping Joni's *differentness* ever since her first album & particularly after Hejira. Even big fans have expected her to release another Court & Spark for almost 30 years now. It's like asking Van Gogh to paint another Starry Night..... Am I the only Joni fan who thinks she has gotten progressively better on every album that she has released??? I'm not kidding or just saying this out of kindness. I can confidently say that Travelogue is my favorite Joni album yet, being a huge fan since 1973. I think T'log is a combination of several things ~ 9-11, Joni's resistance to a final tribute album, a box set & a strong desire to catalogue her strange tunings with one of the greatest orchestras in history. ET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:02:50 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 13 On December 13 the following item was published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Hangs It Up" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=142 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:25:41 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Usama & the big boobed blonde Someone recently questioned my interpretation of the woman scowling at W Bush, depicted in the T'log paintings, as a "bad witch." While this is the first impression Joni seems to be trying to convey, I now see it from an entirely different perspective. Tonight I saw it as yet another self portrait, depicting the way Joni feels about W Bush embroiling the world in Armageddon politics. In this case she is definitely Glinda. This would make W the Wizard of Oz. The JMDL really needs a Joni Paintings Discussion List (JPDL) now that our SIQUOMB is returning to her first love & might even prove to be a better painter than she unquestionably is a musician. Why is this thought so troubling to Joni fans??? ET ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #566 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)