From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #563 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 11 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 563 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: False alarms (+++ remix) = [Eric Taylor ] Re: My ideas on Joni's statue njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: t'log [Jerry Notaro ] letting go of joni ["Sarah Cartwright" ] "a spurt of prescience" (SJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" [Steve Polifka ] CLAXTON book [] Re: t'log [Steve Polifka ] Re: t'log [Mags N Brei ] re: t'log, shorter and bade ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Wishing that Shorter's tenure with Joni was shorter [Steve Polifka ] Re: 2002 Highlights NJC [Jerry Notaro ] packing a PUNCH [] SHORTER CIRCUIT [] Re: Blue: The Musical (long) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: t'log ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Blue: The Musical (long) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: SHORTER CIRCUIT [Steve Polifka ] birth of the cow?? NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: 2002 Highlights NJC [colin ] everything comes and goes NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Another Marathon Update (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] joni right now ["Yael" ] Michael Jackson (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] woah, that was short ["Yael" ] manilow and river ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: birth of the cow?? NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Re: SHORTER CIRCUIT [] Re: Blue: The Musical (long) [dsk ] Promo flat of MOA, closes soon! ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: thoughts for the statue ["c Karma" ] Re: t'log, long but 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Tlog PR ? ["michael o'malley" ] RE: everything comes and goes NJC ["Heather" ] Re: Re: THE 3 GREAT [hell ] BBC concerts [Canyon Lady ] Best of year (definitely njc!) [AzeemAK@aol.com] SONDHEIM [] Re: Tlog PR ? [AzeemAK@aol.com] for the ROSES [] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #562 [Kardinel@aol.com] RE: t'log - Fantasia (njc) ["patrick leader" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:29:05 -0500 From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: False alarms (+++ remix) = Catherine McKay wrote: >> Thanks again - I never would have known that! > Moni Kellermann wrote: > So, if you have a hexagram consisting of twice the > "heaven" element it would look like > > --------------- > --------------- > --------------- > --------------- > --------------- > --------------- << Not unless Icarus is doomed to fall........asleep....... Is the above sharp or flat anyway??? There really needs to be some +++& == in the middle of the --- in order to represent nirvana. Like ~ ----------- ----------- ----------- +++=== ----------- ----------- This is my *white* way of saying 3 Thumbs Up!!! The Tao is Balance (yang/yin) & Joni has always walked this fine line ever so gracefully. 'If I had the gift of prophecy' I'd predict that Travelogue will win 5 Grammy's!!!!! +++== ET NP: S&L (live) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:29:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My ideas on Joni's statue njc --- Susan Guzzi wrote: > Well in defense of America, I must remind you all, > that the inspiration for the "Pig" exhibit came > from Chicago's "Cow' display. Where nary a cow was > disfgured - udder than one kidnapping as well! > > Toronto also stole the idea a couple of years ago, but we did moose. Mooses? Meese? People kept stealing the antlers. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:32:57 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My ideas on Joni's statue njc --- David Sadowski wrote: > Funny, I was just listening to a Tom Waits show from > '99 where he > mentions how much he dug the cows. In contrast, the > furniture exhibit > was pretty tame... a bunch of hard objects that you > were supposed to sit > on. They should get smart and do the cows again... > and at least there > is a connection what with Mrs. O'Leary and all that. > But we all no that > nothing ever really happens unless it happens in New > York. Well, we heard about it here in Toronto because when our city did the moose exhibit, lots of people were commenting on how it was a ripoff of Chicago's cow exhibit. Toronto should probably have done pigs or hogs too, because it's sometimes known as "Hogtown." ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:15:35 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: travelogue njc Michael Paz wrote: >Ah shit! Colim could'nt we just have an old fashioned stoning or maybe a few >beheadings. Yeah!!! >Whooopie! > >Paz > > > that would be more novel, wouldn't it? ( I like what i have heard of Travelogue. I also don't give a shit whether other people like my taste or not, or agree or disagree. My silliness reflects that of those who get upset with those who are less than thrilled with all of Joni's work) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:25:39 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: t'log Kate Bennett wrote: > jerry wrote > >>If she wanted to redo old songs it would have been adventurous for her to > have: > 1. Done the arrangements herself. > 2. Played them herself on the piano or a guitar.<<< > > i'm not sure that we can say whether or not that she had a large, small, or > no part in doing these arrangements- do we have any info on this? Everything I've seen in print, including the Nonesuch website (which has done a remarkable job of showcasing the album) give Vince Mendoza sole credit for arrangement. From what we all know of Joni, if she had been involved, I think we would have known Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:48:51 +0000 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: letting go of joni wow i love your post jim, i'm certainly not in any danger of letting go of ms. mitchell but your words reminded me of how she makes me feel sometimes. I don't often post to the list but I read them (obsessively!) every day and have loved digesting all the different opinions of T'log which i have to say i have only listened to via a weblink which certainly wasn't ideal - but even so I was not bowled over to rush out and buy it for the simple reason that for me it wasn't the joni who I first encountered and listened to and felt that incredible level of intensity and intimacy which I had never felt before on such a mind-blowing scale. I am sure other people would argue that it certainly is intense but the whole immensity of it and I think, for want of a better phrase, '3rd party involvement' of the orchestral arrangement just ruins for me the reasons why I fell in love with joni's music in the 1st place. ( purely my opinion!!!) Anyway, I don't think you should ever let her go but I do think there is a time and a place for each song, and she should hold that place for you if you ever need to come back to her - she does have an amazing therapeutic value for me as I read she does for a lot of jmdlers , as well as the only artist who can make me cry, smile, and ponder life, love and everything in the space of one album! take care, and don't give up on her! sarah (ps - Anne - the musical idea really made me smile - can u include Song for Sharon in your playlist?!!!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:20:49 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: "a spurt of prescience" (SJC) Looking through the Helter Skelter catalogue for something to add to my list to Santa this year, I found the following (has anyone here read this and have any comments?) > Exploding: The Highs, Hits, Hype, Heroes, > and Hustlers of the Warner Music Group > by Stan Cornyn (29.99 UK Pounds) which HS describe as: "The most insightful book on the record business for some time, one that takes the reader behind the scenes, seats us at the conference table and shows us the interaction between the stars and the suits. Populated by stars such as Sinatra, Ray Charles, the Doors, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and many more." and found this review by Barney Hoskyns of Mojo > LET ME 'fess up. This is a book I would kill to have written. > It's a book I've been saying should be written for the last > ten years a book, a huge book, about possibly the hippest, > bravest, most nurturing record company rock'n'roll ever > spawned. Now Stan Cornyn, a Warners "insider's insider" > if ever there was one, has gone and done it with help from > smart Rolling Stone vet Paul Scanlon. > "The really important factor was that we were a younger > company than Columbia," Cornyn said when I interviewed > him in 1993. "We weren't structured so tightly that we > couldn't bend." > Bend Warner Brothers did or at least Warner Bros. and > Reprise Records,under the inspiring helmsmanship of > sometime Sinatra accountant Morris "Mo" Ostin and > Boston disc-jock Joe Smith. For a golden half-decade, > roughly 1967-1972, Warner-Reprise was the ultimate > haven for the crhme of the talent pouring out of (and into) > the canyons of Southern California. Between 'em, > Mo'n'Joe bagged the signatures of Jimi Hendrix, Neil > Young, Randy Newman, Joni Mitchell, Ry Cooder, > Fleetwood Mac, Van Morrison, James Taylor, Frank > Zappa, Little Feat, Van Dyke Parks and on and on and > on. Cornyn calls that "a spurt of prescience heretofore > unknown in the record business". Frankly, it's hard to argue. > Warner-Reprise didn't do too badly either side of those > halcyon five years, of course: from the Everlys to REM, > Ostin and Smith green-lit signings that helped the WM > Group shift gazillions of albums. But that heady turn-of- > the-decade stretch, full of bold impulses and daring risks, > is the guarantor of Warners' place in the history tomes. > It's also why Exploding is as much a lament a "They Don't > Make 'Em Like That Anymore" about record execs as it > is a racy, fact-packed narrative about company politicking. > Like Cornyn, the Creative Services ace who conjured up > mad as for the emerging underground press ("Win a > Dream Date With the Fugs", "the Pigpen Lookalike > Contest"), Mo'n'Joe 'n Lenny Waronker, and others like > them cared deeply about talent. And the talent, generally, > cared about them. > Don't get me wrong: Stan's yarn is first'n'foremost about > players, workaholic Jews jockeying for position in worlds > of fast deals and loaded stock options. Stan, a token > Burbank guy, is as besotted by the greed and manoeuvring > of the David Geffens and Bob Krasnows as he is by the > talent-rich rosters of Warner-Reprise, Atlantic, Elektra and > the other labels woven into the WM fold. Written in prose > that's at once manic and jovial and with both eyes on a > Vanity Fair serialisation Exploding contains swathes of > detail about money, sales, executive toilets and, above > all, who reported to whom. If you want to read about > Joni'n'James and all the other ladies'n'gents of the Canyon, > you may be better off elsewhere. > If, on the other hand, you dig sweeping accounts of musical > empires, and you loved Hit Men and The Mansion on the Hill, > get your teeth into Cornyn, whose sardonically honest take > on the vanity, megalomania and brilliance of the key dramatis > personae from Ahmet Ertegun and Jac Holzman to Steve Ross > and Seymour Stein is never less than entertaining and nearly > always affectionate. ("There are the shrewd," he writes nicely, > "and then there are the shrewder.") > Cornyn, retired for several years and living the sweet life in > Santa Barbara, says he still talks to people at Warners. "Stan, > it's just not like it was," they sigh to him. "Now it's just about > money and covering your [rear]." > Once 'pon a time, it was about money, covering your [rear] > and making astonishing music. Who's to say it couldn't still be? ~~~~~ PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:02:40 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" At 08:26 PM 12/10/02 -0500, you wrote: >Wow. True. Shades of "Joni should go back to the dulcimer." "Bobby has >sold out folk music." "Joni should go back to the piano." > >Lama >ps, I agree with the last one. heh heh If you would have heard her play at the Toronto Harborfront Tribute last year, you might be on your knees at Le Deux Cafe BEGGING her! ;-) Steve, thinking about doing just that... > > >Jenny Goodspeed said, >>>>> >I get such a kick out of the fact that Travelogue is >generating such passionate, diverse, and often >diametrically opposed opinions on the list. It may >not be as perfect or sublime as many of us would have >liked, but it sure packs a punch. > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:27:18 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: t'log In a message dated 12/11/02 8:27:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > Everything I've seen in print, including the Nonesuch website (which has > done a > remarkable job of showcasing the album) give Vince Mendoza sole credit for > arrangement. From what we all know of Joni, if she had been involved, I > think > we would have known > > I think you're right Jerry. If memory serves me correctly, when Joni sang bits from T-log a year ago October in Toronto, she had tapes of Medoza's music playing as she sang along. I think she said something about receiving the tapes recently (in case she missed a queue). Mags, Janine, Ashara, Rick, Polifka, Stephen, etc....???? Do you remember her saying this or was I hallucinating after stealing the blotter acid from Kilauren's purse in front of me :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:34:40 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" kakki wrote:I was thinking today that some of the reaction to Joni going orchestral > might be akin to the reaction of some fans to Billie Holliday deciding she > wanted to record a country western album, or Tony Bennett deciding to start > singing folk songs and strumming on a dulcimer or Beethoven deciding to > compose for banjo or Dylan deciding to do a born again Christian album (oops > he DID that one already! ;-) Then we have Dusty Springfield, an Irish girl from London, starting off in a 50's girly pop trio, highly successful in a British Folk Trio, going to America to record sultry soul and R&B, goes to country Memphis and records one of the greatest pop albums of all time, Dusty in Memphis. Jerry np: Dixie Chicks and James Taylor - Carolina In My Mind ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:49:03 -0500 From: Subject: CLAXTON book From my pal Andrew (Little Bird) by way of me. >> Can you please post some news to the list for me? Let them know that there is a BEAUTIFUL black and white photo of Joni Mitchell in a new book of photographs by William Claxton called "Photographic Memory." In a write-up about the book in Entertainment Weekly the writer says Claxton captures "the smugness of Joni Mitchell." She is sitting at a table, smoking of course, and looking very la-dee-da, sort of looking down her nose but smiling wryly. It's a very recent photo.<< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:47:44 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: t'log She said something like that. i knew she was really familear with them as she looked at Klien alot for help/support. At 10:27 AM 12/11/02 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/11/02 8:27:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, >notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > >> Everything I've seen in print, including the Nonesuch website (which has >> done a >> remarkable job of showcasing the album) give Vince Mendoza sole credit for >> arrangement. From what we all know of Joni, if she had been involved, I >> think >> we would have known >> >> > >I think you're right Jerry. If memory serves me correctly, when Joni sang >bits from T-log a year ago October in Toronto, she had tapes of Medoza's >music playing as she sang along. I think she said something about receiving >the tapes recently (in case she missed a queue). Mags, Janine, Ashara, Rick, >Polifka, Stephen, etc....???? Do you remember her saying this or was I >hallucinating after stealing the blotter acid from Kilauren's purse in front >of me :~) > >Jimmy > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:53:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: t'log >Jimmy wrote: <<>> since you conjured an opinion from me Jimmy...here goes... Yes Joni had the tapes with her and that's what she sang along to when she did the samplings from Travelogue. what I remember most of all is how excited she was about this project...as Ive said many times since last October, she was bursting with exuberance . and then there's the piano...imagine how it felt to have Joni *ask* us if we wanted her to play. Hearing/seeing Joni at the piano again was the absolute highlight for me. no question. Oh yea, Rebecca Jenkins too. Blue and Two Grey Rooms. Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:06:57 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: re: t'log, shorter and bade sorry folks but i have to say a big me too. I think joni takes a huge risk with T'log - evidence all the debate. I also don't compare with the earlier versions - T'log stands as its own work with a great song cycle. As to Shorter I think the problem is that he is mixed at the same volume as joni, this was a creative choice i don't understand but i think joni may have been trying to move the music away from strictly "classical". Meanwhile i love Blade's work - really fine. He and the other percussionist hit a home run on Hejira. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:55:43 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Wishing that Shorter's tenure with Joni was shorter Thanks for sharing, Bob! There are some cuts on T'log I love, and other's I've panned. (This has been true with her last 3 CD's, come to think of it.) We can toss around her latest golden egg all we want... i just hope it's not her last... Steve At 03:08 PM 12/10/02 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/10/2002 10:32:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > >> I don't understand. Please explain. > >It won't be me doing the explaining, Steve...I was the dude who originally expressed the displeasure with Shorter's contributions in the first place. Obviously Wayne is one of the all-time greats, I think he's just limited by what Joni wants from him, and by the same token, she believes anything he does as genius so betwixt the two of them they're trapped in a "Catch-22"! :~) > >Thank heavens for Michael Brecker on the '79 tour. Now that's some cooking saxophone, really contributes and drives the songs as opposed to trying to conjure up images of cats waltzing on stones or whatever. > >Matter of fact, when I was at my Mom-in-law's this weekend (my power FINALLY came back on Sunday night) I watched some of the Joni videos, and one of the things I saw was the Good Morning America performance of "Crazy Cries" Joni did with David Sanborn. Really nice, even if David didn't do anything extraordinary. I also watched her "SpeakEasy" interview where she stated that Shorter was on board with her for the duration. :~( > >Another interesting video discovery was in watching the film "Love" which contains Joni's piece called "The Black Cat With The Black Socks". The films initial credits contain Joni playing & singing a scatted version of "Love"...first time I'd heard that, and it was REALLY cool! > >Bob, who would like to see Clarence "Big Man" Clemons on Joni's next one! :~) > >NP: Elvis C, "Georgie & Her Rival" > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:01:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: t'log Steve Polifka wrote: <> I remember that too, how Joni seemed so focused on Klein, looking to him for support, always turning to him to ask him what he thought of something she said/wanted to do in terms of the tapes. They seem to have a pretty tight rapport/relationship considering they are divorced. I thought that was interesting too, and rare, imho, in my experience certainly. :-/ Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:05:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 2002 Highlights NJC Great list, David. Mine so far. : The Eminem Show - hands down winner The Loom's Desire - Laura Nyro live, up close, intimate and fabulous The Last Five Years - original cast album from the brilliant Jason Robert Brown Imagine - Eva Cassidy The Doorway - Betty Buckley Come Away with Me - Norah Jones Bel Canto - Renee Fleming I Am Sam - Soundtrack Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:26:03 -0500 From: Subject: packing a PUNCH Lately, opening each Joni digest is like unwrapping gifts on Christmas morning -- all sorts of goodies are to be found! People's passionate comments, for and against, are really adding to my enjoyment of T'LOG. Though some really don't like it (and I can understand where they're coming from), I think most of us would agree that it's an audacious work -- and, I would argue, not a "safe" work at all. What I love most about the list is how others articulate my thoughts. To wit: JENNY wrote: "I get such a kick out of the fact that T'LOG is generating such passionate, diverse, and often diametrically opposed opinions on the list. It may no be as perfect or sublime as many of us would have liked, but it sure packs a punch." KATE wrote: "I can understand that some just don't like the orchestral arrangements overall, but I just love the huge cinematic context of the songs this way." KAKKI wrote: "I don't know if this ia a good analogy -- but in T'LOG, I truly hear Joni's essence and the absolute beauty of the music through any cloud of vocal changes, orchestras, Wayne Shorter, whatever." ERIC wrote: "Let's just remember that all the original versions of these songs will always be available and not to expect Joni to sound like she did when she was 20something." FRED wrote: "I'll tell you what, it sure doesn't leave me indifferent, there's a lot to chew on." JAMIE wrote: "If you'd never heard of Joni, you woud think, 'Here's a woman with depth, clarity, range (of subject) and balls.'" STEVE wrote: "If she had done an album of re-records aiming to sound like the originals, then I would not be impressed." PAUL wrote: "The whole thing [JOB'S SAD SONG] is such an explosion of grief, heartbreak and anger -- and everything about the arrangement enhances the song." HARRY wrote: "I know I have said before that I think Joni's closest peer artistically is Stephen Sondheim and one of those reasons is that very duality of opinion that people have about their work." CATHERINE wrote: "I'm enjoying all the bantering about this album. It's amazing how many different views there are. I like that." I like that, too! Thanks to all. MICHAEL in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:32:18 -0500 From: Subject: SHORTER CIRCUIT Oh and btw: I think Wayne Shorter's contribution to T'LOG (and all Joni albums) is immeasurable. For me, the only place he doesn't "fit" is on LEAD BALLOON (which, Wayne or no Wayne, goes over like a lead balloon ANYHOW!). He ain't a rock 'n' roller. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:38:51 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Blue: The Musical (long) i love it anne! i've fantasized about a broadway musical of joni's life (sort of like janis) using her songs but your idea is much more creative...are they going to sing The Pirate of Penance at the end? ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:14:19 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: t'log Well shes been doing that in live performances since the start of her career - I think T'log is an experiment she couldn't resist - and I'm thrilled she didn't. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:09:18 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue: The Musical (long) Kate wrote: > i love it anne! i've fantasized about a broadway musical of joni's life > (sort of like janis) I think it's a great idea too Anne, and if they can come up with Jerry Springer - The Opera, *anything* is possible! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:08:20 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: SHORTER CIRCUIT At 11:32 AM 12/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >Oh and btw: I think Wayne Shorter's >contribution to T'LOG (and all Joni >albums) is immeasurable. Well, as we all know, there are infinite numbers below Zero on that scale(as well as above...) :-P Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: birth of the cow?? NJC Chicago wasn't the first with the cows, actually. I believe it was Zurich, Switzerland. I had mixed feelings about the cows here in Chicago, even though I know several of the artists who made them. Some odd politics about what was appropriate decoration for a cow popped up, as did a chance for some falsely generated publicity from a very well known Chicago artist. A bunch of artists around town made original art 'cow pies' and left them under the cow statues, which I thought was really funny. The city removed most of them, but the Museum of Contemporary Art let theirs stay. Good for them! I'm friends (and neighbors) with the new coordinator for Chicago public art. When she took that job, I made her promise NO MORE COWS! re: > Well in defense of America, I must remind you all, that the inspiration for the "Pig" exhibit came > from Chicago's "Cow' display. Where nary a cow was disfgured - udder than one kidnapping as well! > Yes, Chicago started it all! L.A. went on to do an exhibit of angels. They were to be auctioned off for charity in the end and removed but so many people loved them that many of the local businesses bought them up to keep them permanently in front of their highrises. Last summer I spent some time on Catalina Island and they currently have an exhibit of buffalos! Seems a couple disappeared and there was a stern editorial in the little local paper there that they should be returned immediately, that this was expensive "vandalism" that wasn't funny, etc. It cracked me up - - I'm sure they were taken because they were just too cool ;-) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:27:41 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: 2002 Highlights NJC >I Am Sam - Soundtrack > this was an excellent film. not at all what i was expecting. > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:43:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: everything comes and goes NJC dear family, i am very sad to announce that my relationship with alberto has ended. we love each other very dearly, and i will never stop believing that alberto was the man i wanted to marry and raise a family with. alberto has been unemployed for almost two years now, and i thought it was best if he tried his luck on his own. sometimes protecting a person curtails his potential for growth and maturity. i hope god will have mercy on me if this decision was a mistake. i know i'd never forgive myself. i was happy and hopeful when i announced our commitment ceremony for my upcoming birthday on the 27th. i never for a moment doubted that the power of love can work miracles and that everybody deserves to be who they really are, regardless of past mistakes and lack of self-awareness. i am much humbler now. i accept that although my mind can understand that a man may be married for 20 years and have four children and still claim a new life as a gay person at 55, my heart cannot cope with the concept. i will try to be more careful from now on. i will try to be more thoughtful. i hope alberto will be happy and that he and i know and find what we are looking for. love, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:55:59 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Another Marathon Update (NJC) An update for those of you who are interested ... This Saturday Ill be running/walking 20 miles with the National AIDS Marathon Training Program group (http://www.aidsmarathon.com). After that, well have just 9 more weeks of training, and then its off to New Orleans to run the 2003 Mardi Gras Marathon!! (http://www.aidsmarathon.com/learnno.htm and http://mardigrasmarathon.com) With the help of many of you -- my generous friends of spirit -- I achieved my fundraising minimum on time and with $$ to spare. Now I have a new objective: to raise the MOST money! : ) AIDS Marathon-DC will be accepting donations, credited to my fundraising efforts, on behalf of the Whitman-Walker Clinic (http://www.wwc.org) through March 15, 2003. So if you find a little extra in your bank account between now and mid-March, send it on! (Its tax deductible.) You can donate online: http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.jsp? runner=DCNO-3144 By mail or fax: http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donor form.pdf Or just visit my website for fun: http://lrfye.lunarpages.com Many thanks for all the contributions (and for indulging me again)! Health and happiness to all, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:52:12 -0500 From: "Yael" Subject: joni right now hey all- susan tedesci just started singing "river" on wfuv in new york. you can listen to it, if you get online in the next 2 minutes, at www.wfuv.org. - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:00:59 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Michael Jackson (NJC) Interesting piece in today's Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37490-2002Dec10.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:56:25 -0500 From: "Yael" Subject: woah, that was short ok, its already over. i forgot how short 'River' is. it was nice but not as good as hearing lynn miles play it in an empty concert space. :) - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:09:52 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: manilow and river Did anyone catch this on the ABC special last week? to hear Barry sing "she loved me so naughty, made me weak in the knees" was precious!! Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:35:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Re: birth of the cow?? NJC As long as I brought it up, here's the story as I heard it (different from what was reported in the local press): One of the cow artists (can't remember who) spray painted grafitti tags on his cow. The city had a fit (they want an image of a clean, safe, gang-free city) and pulled that cow from exhibition. Meanwhile, Ed Paschke, very well-known (and overrated, imho) Chicago artist, had grafitti tags on his cow as well. The city wasn't about to pull Paschke's cow, or ask him to change it. He's too well known. So, Paschke pulled his cow without the city's permission, installed it in the window of an upscale River North gallery,and sent out a press release claiming that the city asked him to remove it. The city didn't say anything about this, so Paschke was able to get a lot of "I'm a bad-boy artist" publicity in the local press, which swollowed his story without question, while the REAL bad-boy artist was forgotten. Ah, the art world. Forget quailty of art. As long as you can draw attention to yourself, you've got it made! Pdowski wrote: Who was this? Tyler Hewitt wrote: some falsely generated publicity from a very well known Chicago artist. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:53:11 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: SHORTER CIRCUIT Why I oughta...! To the moon, Steve, to the moon! Poor put-upon Wayne! ;-) M > > From: Steve Polifka > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:08:20 -0600 > To: > CC: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: SHORTER CIRCUIT > > At 11:32 AM 12/11/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Oh and btw: I think Wayne Shorter's > >contribution to T'LOG (and all Joni > >albums) is immeasurable. > > > Well, as we all know, there are infinite numbers below Zero on that > scale(as well as above...) > > :-P > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:14:16 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Blue: The Musical (long) anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > > Debra Shea wrote: > NPIMH: Pirates of Penzance... very theatrical (Oops, I meant Joni's "The Pirate of Penance". That's what I was hearing, not the Gilbert and Sullivan musical.) Anne, what a wonderful idea! And a great start with the specifics! Please keep sharing as you go along. When imagining your scenes, I could hear a slowed down "All I Want" as the music for Dawn's seductive dance. From your scene of Billy talking about Penance, I imagine them being in love, but uneasily so because the sea (freedom) calls. He leaves her for a simpler relationship with Dawn, and the show ends with Penance alone and singing "Song to a Seagull". Oh, my, I would sob. I also like your idea about Billy disappearing and the show ending with him looking from afar. That's much more complex, and what a mystery! Hmmm, love, passion, seduction, betrayal, loss, longing, questioning ideals, running away, hope... sounds like Joni-land to me! Thanks for sharing this, Anne. I look forward to hearing how it develops. Debra Shea P.S. With a name like Penance, I wonder what she's doing penance for... > Gee, it's funny you should mention this, Debra! I've > been toying with how to incorporate some of Joni's > songs into a musical. Here's the very rough outline. > I'm interested in hearing what others think of the > general idea. > > Blue: The Musical > with songs by Joni Mitchell > ... > Act I Scene II - Billy Blue sits with friends in a bar. > They talk about women. Someone asks him about Penance. > He says she's too headstrong and says she wants to be > "like a man," like he is actually, free and with a man > in every port. He sings Cactus Tree about her. > > Acti I Scene III - Dawn, the dancer, enters and > performs a dance routine. (maybe she could dance to a > Joni song done instrumentally?) After she finishes, she > goes over to Billy. They flirt. ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Promo flat of MOA, closes soon! It's 12" x 24" but it's been folded. Ebay #926929976 is closing soon. They want $26.50, minimum. Lama Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:00:53 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: thoughts for the statue I don't know if this has been suggested already, but it would be fun if the bronze Joni was able to blow smoke rings like the old Camel billboard in Times Square...now that would be a spectacular. Something else I'd like to see is a fountain with a center figure that looks a little like the fold out from "For The Roses." It definitely would have to over look the river (since there is no ocean in Saskatoon). It's as close as anything I've seen depicting Joni as Venus. Or perhaps maybe a half submerged version of her doing the back stroke a la HOSL. Just God, nothing with her holding a damn guitar. CC "The least one can ask of a sculpture is that it not move." -- Salvadore Dali _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: t'log, long but 100% JC The arrangments are vivid and full-bodied if I'm in the dark, open to them. If I'm in a car, or writing a post, they are irritating because they demand attention. They squak, like the thunderstrike in "Paprika Plains". Those at home will want to read along silently, as I read aloud: - -- Original message -- Joni wrote: "I dreamed paprika plains. *********** Keeee- CRASH !!!!!!!! ********* vast and bleak and G-aaahhh-d forsaken. Paprika plains *********** Keeee- CRASH !!!!!!!! ********* and a torquoise R-ivvvvvvvvv-er snaking." That's the part that's been on the verge of my memory since I began listening to TRAVELOGUE! If you go back and listen to PP, that part, that overblown, overly dynamic, bombastic pair of crashes is right out of Vince Mendoza's songbook. I'll bet that the folks who don't like TRAVELOGUE generally didn't like PP either. What say ye? Lama Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:21:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" Until she returns to the piano, we'll just have to muddle through somehow...... On the other hand, we have you and Paz and Roberto on keys, Chuck holding down the dulcimer, Marian on the electric, etc, etc, etc. This ain't so BAD!!! Lama BTW, Terry Matlan of Detroit is in the league with ALL of you guys! - --- Steve Polifka wrote: > If you would have heard her play at the Toronto > Harborfront Tribute last > year, > you might be on your knees at Le Deux Cafe BEGGING > her! > > ;-) > > Steve, thinking about doing just that... Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:24:05 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Tlog PR ? Have any of you been unsettled by the seemingly invisible release of Tlog ? I don't know what it's like in big cities like Toronto, London, New York or London, but here in Quebec, it really is, sadly, a non-event. Only one independant record store (that caters to boomers) has put the cd in it's storefront. The large chains don't even carry it. Where are the TV and print magazine pieces? Where are the posters of the album art? Is Joni not available for talk shows and the like? And the tour? I recall there was much more (and considerable) fanfare around BSN. What's happened? Michael in Quebec NP: Karrin Allyson - Ballads, Remembering John Coltrane (man, can this lady sing!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:27:45 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: everything comes and goes NJC You are a very loving person Wally. Balancing the heart and mind is not a simply task. Much love, Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:43 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: everything comes and goes NJC dear family, i am very sad to announce that my relationship with alberto has ended. we love each other very dearly, and i will never stop believing that alberto was the man i wanted to marry and raise a family with. alberto has been unemployed for almost two years now, and i thought it was best if he tried his luck on his own. sometimes protecting a person curtails his potential for growth and maturity. i hope god will have mercy on me if this decision was a mistake. i know i'd never forgive myself. i was happy and hopeful when i announced our commitment ceremony for my upcoming birthday on the 27th. i never for a moment doubted that the power of love can work miracles and that everybody deserves to be who they really are, regardless of past mistakes and lack of self-awareness. i am much humbler now. i accept that although my mind can understand that a man may be married for 20 years and have four children and still claim a new life as a gay person at 55, my heart cannot cope with the concept. i will try to be more careful from now on. i will try to be more thoughtful. i hope alberto will be happy and that he and i know and find what we are looking for. love, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Re: Re: THE 3 GREAT Jerry wrote: > Then we have Dusty Springfield, an Irish girl from London, starting > off in a 50's girly pop trio, highly successful in a British Folk > Trio, going to America to record sultry soul and R&B, goes to country > Memphis and records one of the greatest pop albums of all time, Dusty > in Memphis. Coincidentally, I saw a great documentary about Dusty last night (called Definitely Dusty) where they talked about her career in some detail. The vocals for Dusty in Memphis were actually recorded in NY, because she was so intimidated in Memphis, she couldn't bring herself to sing! Jerry Wexler also said that while she was recording, she had the playback up incredibly high, so she couldn't hear herself at all. Which he found amazing - that she was still able to produce near flawless vocals! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:43:26 -0800 (PST) From: Canyon Lady Subject: BBC concerts Hello--I am a new member of the list. I was thrilled to see the postings a few weeks back about the BBC 1970 concert (which aired on the CBC Nov 26) because I am searching for a few songs from this concert and from another BBC concert--the 1974 New Victoria Theatre in London. In particular, from 1970, I'm missing: All I Want, Hunter, The Gallery, Woodstock And from 1974: This Flight Tonight, You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio), Free Man In Paris, The Same Situation, Just Like This Train, Rainy Night House, Woodstock, People's Parties, All I Want, Jericho, For The Roses, Blue, For Free, The Last Time I Saw Richard, Twisted Does anyone have any suggestions where to look for this footage? Thanks--Erika Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:49:17 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Best of year (definitely njc!) What's floated my boat this year, in no particular order: Fashionably Late - Linda Thompson Into The Light - Christine Collister Vespertine - Bjork The Big Time - Robin Holcomb Night On My Side - Gemma Hayes Late Night Final - Richard Hawley Heathen - David Bowie Simple Things - Zero Seven Blue For The Most - Abraham Lost in Space - Aimee Mann Theoretical albums of the year (possibly, haven't got around to hearing them yet :-) Out of Season - Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man Stoned Part 1 - Lewis Taylor Scarlett's Walk - Tori Amos Films of the Year Morvern Callar Waking Life Bowling For Columbine The Royal Tenenbaums Lawless Heart Donnie Darko Lantana Sunshine State Enough lists. Azeem in London NP: Virginia Astley - All Shall Be Well ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:53:44 -0500 From: Subject: SONDHEIM HARRY (the Sondheim fan): I've always fantasized that Joni and Stephen Sondheim are good friends -- since they're the best, both lyrically and muscially. I hope, at least, that they admire each other's work. Didn't I read, a long time ago, that Joni did SEND IN THE CLOWNS as an encore in a concert? Just imagine what she could do with it. Wow. Joni's T'LOG version of FTR seems to be her LOSING MY MIND, doesn't it? ;-) And, with it's "penetrating" brass, TROUBLE CHILD could be her LADIES WHO LUNCH. The orchestration sure puts me in mind of Jonathon Tunick. MICHAEL in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:04:21 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Tlog PR ? In a message dated 11/12/2002 23:22:38 GMT Standard Time, michaelo@webnet.qc.ca writes: << The large chains don't even carry it. Where are the TV and print magazine pieces? Where are the posters of the album art? Is Joni not available for talk shows and the like? And the tour? I recall there was much more (and considerable) fanfare around BSN. What's happened? >> Relax folks, I'm not going to say any more horrid things about Tlog! I have one suggestion about the low profile release, which may seem a bit far fetched, but here it is: Nonesuch spent so much money on recording and packaging it that they didn't have any left to promote it. As has already been noted here, orchestras and top flight jazz musicians don't come cheap; while the packaging, which is beautiful and very lavish, must have cost a fortune. Lord knows why they wouldn't then follow through and splash out on promotion, as you would think they would have to do that in order to recoup their investment; but maybe they decided to cut their losses, either because they thought the album was too esoteric to sell, or because they didn't like it. On a far smaller scale, Caroline Trettine released an exquisite album last year (which a few other listers have heard), on a tiny label; it got a few good reviews, but generally slipped under the radar. Caroline told me earlier this year that Evensong, the label, had literally thrown the whole budget into the lovely CD booklet and on ensuring that the record sounded gorgeous - and then the silly buggers had nothing left with which to flog the record, and it quickly suffocated. Oh, and one of the most inexplicable phenomena of the year: Christine Collister's 6th solo album, of a highly respected solo career, was released a few months ago - and I have seen NOT ONE review for it anywhere, not even in Q, which has reviewed every one of her previous dozen or so albums, including the ones she made with Clive Gregson. It's bloody criminal! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:05:20 -0500 From: Subject: for the ROSES I finally found a way to make the new FOR THE ROSES work for me. Picture Joni at the Grammys, stepping into the spotlight in that "Judy Jetson" Issey Miyake (the one with the weird "hoop" near the bottom) -- right after Christine what's-her-face, dressed like the teenage hooker she seems to want to be, has gyrated her way through DIRTY. That should do it. ;-) MICHAEL in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:16:02 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #562 I've been thinking about Travelogue a lot. I have listened to it the past month and I like some things about it. There are songs that I like hearing in this new recording-"Chinese Cafe" and "Dawntreader" are examples. Some of the songs were done so beautifully in their orginal recordings they can't be improved on. "Amelia" is an example. I think that "Sire of Sorrow" and "Slouching" and "Judgement of the Moon and The Stars" are too much-almost deadly. By the way I love "Otis and Marlena." I know Joni's voice has problems. I still like it but it's not strong and her smoking and age have hurt it. However, I imagine this: Joni with only a few musicians doing new songs. If the songs were beautiful and the imagery breathtaking, her voice wouldn't be such an issue. I would love some new Joni songs. She has such a unique style. A friend of mine described writing and other creativity like fingerprints. Each artist has their own world view and style. I am rambling but the album gave me this feeling-you know that melancholy you can feel on an autumn day? It kind of hits you in the gut. It's a certain kind of sadness. Well I feel like that when I listen to T'log. The passing of the years etc. and a feeling of regret that things aren't the same. Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:54:16 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: t'log - Fantasia (njc) oh fantasia is one of my favorites, too. there are parts of it that i don't love as much now (the cutesy flying horses and nymphs in the beethoven) and there are a lot of negative opinions over the years. stravinsky absolutely HATED it, yensid cut parts of 'rite' even... and composers do NOT like that! lots of comments about 'trivializing classical music' etc. but it's a brilliant movie. there finally is a sequel, 'fantasia 2000' which is absolutely worth a look. the best sequence is gershwin's 'rhapsody in blue' animated in the style of al hirschorn, the great broadway cariacaturist. another great segment is donald and daisy as noah and wife with the ark. one called flamingos with yoyos that's almost funnier than hippos and gators. patrick np - echo (joy askew and takura nakamura) - surrender >-----Original Message----- The next selection, Tschiakovsky's "Nutcracker >Suite", is "performed" by dancing wood-sprites, mushrooms, flowers, >goldfish, thistles, milkweeds and "frost fairies". The Mickey Mouse version >of "Sorcerer's Apprentice" is next, followed by Stravinsky's "Rite of >Spring", which serves as leitmotif for the story of the creation of the >world, replete with dinosaurs and volcanoes. After ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #563 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)