From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #561 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 561 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Parsonage Lane (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #560 [Kardinel@aol.com] RE: false alarms [] t'log ["Kate Bennett" ] THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Refuge of the Roads NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Parsonage Lane (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] hexagram of the heavens ["Kate Bennett" ] Wishing that Shorter's tenure with Joni was shorter [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Parsonage Lane (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Sunshine NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] t'log ["Kate Bennett" ] My Take On Travelogue [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Today's mondegreen [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: t'log [notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu] Re: Joni Mitchell Night at Club Passim, Boston, MA - January 6, 2003 [Yae] Re: TO EACH HIS OWN ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" [] Travelogue ["William C. Burnworth/Tim Callaghan" ] RE: t'log ["Kate Bennett" ] Brazilian jmdler's help needed!! ["Vadim Litvin" ] Video clips... ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avertyour eyes ;-) [FredNow@aol.co] Searching for Sherelle {njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Blue: The Musical (long) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: False alarms and mondegreens? - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira [Catherine McKay ] Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avert your eyes ;-) [FredNow@aol.c] Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira ["RSM" ] Re: Blue: The Musical (long) [Catherine McKay ] Re: animal game njc [colin ] Re: "Photographic Memory" [Catherine McKay ] Re:blue the musical any version NJC ["chuty001" ] Re: Canadians To Inspect US for Weapons NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avertyour eyes ;-) [Catherine McKay ] Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Letting Go of Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Parsonage Lane (NJC) Victor wrote: >Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 I lived at 59 Parsonage Road, Heaton Moor, in the late '50s. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:11:44 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #560 I might like to go as I live in Maine and it's not far and a good winter break. How much are the tickets? Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:23:27 -0600 From: Subject: RE: false alarms Moni: Thanks so much for the information, pictorial and verbal, on the I Ching! But specifically, you wrote: "So, if you have a hexagram consisting of twice the "heaven" element it would look like - - --------------- - - --------------- - - --------------- - - --------------- - - --------------- - - --------------- and also look like six guitar strings." Well, maybe I'm beating a dead horse, so to speak. But it seems that the "twice heaven" hexagram could also quite easily look like the exhaust trails of six military aircraft flying in perfect formation, side by side, immediately after executing a complicated maneuvre, with each of the trails dissipating just a little at the beginning as the planes get farther away. That's our Joan. Who else do we know who could possibly link the Blue Angels or T'birds, guitar strings, and the I Ching in a mere 4 or 5 short lines?! Take care, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:43:44 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: t'log randy >>I think Vince's sweeping, dramatic arrangements remind her of the Hollywood movies she saw when she was a kid.<< i think that is true, i think that is why i like t'log so much! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:43:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" i love slouching! the song brings up an element of real fear in me! i love that it makes me feel like a kid in a scary movie... >>Now, how do people feel about what I think of as Joni's "let's get serious" T'LOG triad -- namely SLOUCHING, LUDWIG and JOB?<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:41:37 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Refuge of the Roads NJC In a message dated 12/10/2002 10:37:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: > And let us not forget to include Muller's version from > Jonifest '02 - great > job Bob. Thanks David...I started out in the key on "N" as I recall..but once I got past that first part and got on pitch I was very pleased with the performance. What a pleasure to sing such a beautiful song, and to be accompanied by one of the JMDL's finest to boot! Bob NP: Elvis C, "How To Be Dumb" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:50:39 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Parsonage Lane (NJC) Steve Dulson wrote: > Victor wrote: > > >Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 > > I lived at 59 Parsonage Road, Heaton Moor, in the late '50s. :) > I missed that on the end of your post Victor. So you're new album is named after Ashara's street, or Mr. Dulson's ? Does this mean you might name the next album after my street? I live on the corner of Grinn and Barret :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:31:16 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: hexagram of the heavens if the six white vapor trail was a hexagram in the heavens & the same as the strings of her guitar, it would be six unbroken lines which is the first hexagram of the i ching...here is an excerpt from the wilhelm translation: "the creative- the first hexagram is made up of six unbroken lines. these unbroken lines stand for the primal power, which is light giving, active, strong, and of the spirit. the hexagram is consistently strong in character, and since it is without weakness, its essence is power or energy. it's image is heaven. its energy is represented as unrestricted by any fixed conditions in space and is therefore conceived of as motion time is regarded as the basis of this motion. thus the hexagram includes also the power of time and the power of persisting in time, that is, duration. the power represented by the hexagram is to be interpreted in a dual sense-in terms of its action, on the universe and of its action on the world of men. in relation to the universe, the hexagram expresses the strong, creative action of the deity. in relation to the human world, it denotes the creative action of the hold man or sage, of the ruler or leader of men, who through his power awakens and develops their higher nature. the hexagram is assigned to the fourth month may-june when the light-giving power is at its zenith, i.e. before the summer solstice has marked the beginning of the year's decline" ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:08:15 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wishing that Shorter's tenure with Joni was shorter In a message dated 12/10/2002 10:32:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > I don't understand. Please explain. It won't be me doing the explaining, Steve...I was the dude who originally expressed the displeasure with Shorter's contributions in the first place. Obviously Wayne is one of the all-time greats, I think he's just limited by what Joni wants from him, and by the same token, she believes anything he does as genius so betwixt the two of them they're trapped in a "Catch-22"! :~) Thank heavens for Michael Brecker on the '79 tour. Now that's some cooking saxophone, really contributes and drives the songs as opposed to trying to conjure up images of cats waltzing on stones or whatever. Matter of fact, when I was at my Mom-in-law's this weekend (my power FINALLY came back on Sunday night) I watched some of the Joni videos, and one of the things I saw was the Good Morning America performance of "Crazy Cries" Joni did with David Sanborn. Really nice, even if David didn't do anything extraordinary. I also watched her "SpeakEasy" interview where she stated that Shorter was on board with her for the duration. :~( Another interesting video discovery was in watching the film "Love" which contains Joni's piece called "The Black Cat With The Black Socks". The films initial credits contain Joni playing & singing a scatted version of "Love"...first time I'd heard that, and it was REALLY cool! Bob, who would like to see Clarence "Big Man" Clemons on Joni's next one! :~) NP: Elvis C, "Georgie & Her Rival" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:9:41 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Parsonage Lane (NJC) >Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 I lived at 59 Parsonage Road, Heaton Moor, in the late '50s. :) I missed that on the end of your post Victor. So you're new album is named after Ashara's street, or Mr. Dulson's ? Ashara's Street :~} Does this mean you might name the next album after my street? I live on the corner of Grinn and Barret :~) You never know....I can't promise anything but why don't you hold a festival at your house for a few years and open up your home to 50-60 people and then we'll see what develops. ;>) Victor in Asheville -- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.comVisit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:12:36 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sunshine NJC In a message dated 12/9/2002 11:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, tahewitt@yahoo.com writes: > Send your ideas, etc. to me, and thanks a lot! Hi Tyler! Obviously "Chelsea Morning" is the obvious song, but you might want to point your sister to the lyric website where she can do a search on any word she wants. It's fantastic! http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/index.cfm Bob NP: Elvis C, "Couldn't Call It Unexpected #2" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:31:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: t'log >>But why do you think Joni is so sold on Vince and Wayne? Is she mistaken? Fred<< >>My opinion is that she is in the Comfort Zone, a place she never used to seek. Jerry<< so interesting, i don't see what she did with travelogue as the comfort zone...i see her new arrangements of old songs quite adventurous! i have a theory...most criticisms i hear of travelogue compare the songs to her other versions...i think i like t'log so much because i don't really compare the songs & i always love hearing new versions of songs...i can understand that some just don't like the orchestral arrangements overall...but i just love the huge cinematic context of ths songs this way...i've listened to the songs driving in the day...for me, the best way to listen is still at night by candlelight or (now) christmas lights...this is because the music really takes me on a visual journey... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:20:44 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: My Take On Travelogue Oh not another one! (I hear you say!) This album should be heard by people who have never heard of Joni and have never heard her songs. I have to say that I love this album. I can see why some of the songs were chosen - favourites; fun to have transposed to full orchestra; if they didn't get it with my arrangements, they must get it now! type thing... What this album does for the songs is that it takes it out of the realm of Joni as she is known to 90percent of the worlds populous and elevates them to the realm of standards. I can imagine a lot more people now will go,' Wow I've never heard this song before, I must cover it..'. Some songs will be seen as true greats in this form like 'Sire Of Sorrow' or 'Slouching'. You have to approach this album like any other Joni album, like you have never heard her before. If you have never heard these songs, or Joni, this album would be one of the greats just because of the diversity of songs that are there. The travelling images, the love the loss, it's all there, it all makes you think 'WOW where have these songs been all my life', like they should. I mean, her voice now is where most female rock singers' voices are 10 or 20 years younger than her. If you'd never heard of Joni, you would think,' here's a woman with depth, clarity, range (of subject) and balls' No one would comment on her lack of vocal range. I turn this cd on and just get sent away to islands, highways, lonely streets, past lovers, present loves, God, the atmosphere, the present situation, America. It's the strength of the songs and her delivery that hold this album. Mr Mendoza does an excellent job of painting the music around her words, taking the landscape and putting it into sound form. I love Wayne Shorter's dragonfly in The Circle Game, all his descriptions are spot on. It's the way she just goes 'I want a dragonfly Wayne, can you do it?' and there he puts it. He doesn't play lines like most sax players would, he creates feelings, delivers images. The combination of Mendoza landscape, Joni's words and Shorter's sparks is just amazing. Yes, I want her no guitar, I want her touring, I want I want I want. This is perfect BIG music. This is fineness put to music. - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:22:18 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: RE: animal game njc ok, y'al. PARLOR GAME ONLY! don't take this seriously: 1st animal: as you see yourself 2nd: as others see you 3rd: what you really are Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:23:49 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Today's mondegreen From 'Love' Love never looks for love Love's not puffed up or envious or touchy Because it rejoices in the truth Not in the nicotine... Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:12:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: animal game njc oh my god!!!! i hope my responses get lost in cyberspace!!!! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Thomas Ross Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Diciembre de 2002 05:22 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: animal game njc ok, y'al. PARLOR GAME ONLY! don't take this seriously: 1st animal: as you see yourself 2nd: as others see you 3rd: what you really are Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:16:57 -0500 (EST) From: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: t'log Quoting Kate Bennett : > >>But why do you think Joni is so sold on Vince and Wayne? Is she > mistaken? > Fred<< > > >>My opinion is that she is in the Comfort Zone, a place she never used > to > seek. Jerry<< > > so interesting, i don't see what she did with travelogue as the > comfort > zone...i see her new arrangements of old songs quite adventurous! If she wanted to redo old songs it would have been adventurous for her to have: 1. Done the arrangements herself. 2. Played them herself on the piano or a guitar. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:59:28 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Night at Club Passim, Boston, MA - January 6, 2003 ashara said: >OK........So far there is me, Anne, Maggie, Chris, Ric, Jenny, and Erik. Any >more takers? Chuck? Smurf? Brigitte? Stephen? :-) Please let me know soon! omg, i am SO jealous!! i want to go toooooooooo!! why is it on the 6th, that's a freakin' monday night? doesn't joni deserve friday or saturday? well, i'm glad other people are gonna get to go. peace, yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:34:27 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: TO EACH HIS OWN Hi guys, just a few responces. Mike wrote:- > What am I trying to say?! Oh yeah: let's > agree to disagree sometimes. I agree! I'll just say to some people that I think that TLOG is as good as it can be considering there is no new material and Joni has lost some vocal power. I don't know if anyone else could have pulled it off as well. It is what it is and I'm glad she's done it because it shoes how strong these songs are and I'm surprised how much I like it. If she had done an album of re-records aiming to sound like the originals then I would not me impressed. Also I actually prefer some of these versions! In saying all this I don't mean to ignore negative reviews so don't think I'm being preachy because everyone should have their say. > As for JOB, I think it's better than the original. > I like the choir, which has a timeless, nationless, > mysterious quality. And Joni's performance > (that heartbreaking "Oh where is hope?") is > magnificent. > > What do you think? Well Mike, wasn't sure about the backing singers at first but you may be right. It's funny because listening to some of these songs make me forget about the originals. Though this is not true with all of them. Randy Remote wrote:- > As for Shorter, count me as another who just doesn't get anything out > of his playing except maybe annoyance. Oh no! I'll have to disagree. I think his playing is great and gives her sonngs (new and old) a real element of surprise. Just listen to 'Moon At The Window'. Deb Messling wrote:- > A lot of people detest TWTLIL, but I find the melody compelling, the guitar > eerie and intriguing, and Joni's singing right on target. I don't quite > understand how it fit with the Mingus album, but as a song, I love it. Ditto. It's one of a kind and even though like you say it doesn't fit well on MINGUS her voice sounds so Jazzy. "Oh the cold winds blew at our room with a view" STEVE NP: 'Virginia' Tori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:48:23 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" > I get such a kick out of the fact that Travelogue is > generating such passionate, diverse, and often > diametrically opposed opinions on the list. It may > not be as perfect or sublime as many of us would have > liked, but it sure packs a punch. > > Jenny YOU SAID IT! :-) M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:57:11 -0600 From: "William C. Burnworth/Tim Callaghan" Subject: Travelogue Y'know, I can't think of the first thing to criticize about Travelogue..it is a gift I'm very happy to receive as it is. No matter how much I enjoy all of Joni's other music, I'm always most interested in the current Mitchellmobile (to quote the Musician interview 1982). And just from Brian Blade and Paulhino Decostas' beautiful playing alone it's unassailable to my ears..ultimately it will send me back listening through her career with fresh ears. A gift. Love to you all..William C. np: Pretenders, "I Should of" William Burnworth/Tim CallaghanCastalian Springcspringj@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:07:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: t'log jerry wrote >>If she wanted to redo old songs it would have been adventurous for her to have: 1. Done the arrangements herself. 2. Played them herself on the piano or a guitar.<<< i'm not sure that we can say whether or not that she had a large, small, or no part in doing these arrangements- do we have any info on this? joni has always described her music in orchestral terms so just because she didn't play the instruments she hears does not mean (to me) that she is not being adventurous...what i find adventurous is the new emotional expression of so many of her songs...& the fact that she is making a new statement in the context that she presents her songs this time around... i can understand the desire to have her present her music the way she did when she was starting out & playing her own instrument & i would love to hear that too but i don't expect that anymore...i think joni keeps trying out different ways of expressing her songs (whether we like it or not)- & that is adventurous to me... as a songwriter i can really understand the desire to want to try something different with each new recording...or to evolve something you've experimented with to a different degree...that is the essence of creativity i find by not comparing her arrangements, her voice, her anything to what she has done in the past frees me up to really enjoy these songs the way she has offered them to us in travlogue because to me, she is first & foremost a songwriter... just all my opinion you know ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:09:30 +0300 (MSK) From: "Vadim Litvin" Subject: Brazilian jmdler's help needed!! Anybody who is in Brazil now, please, contact me off-list!! Need your help! Vad (in Ukraine) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:01:58 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Video clips... Where is this clip from? And, is the GMA w/ Sanborn on the JMDL video tree? I Don't recall ever seeing rither of these... Bob said: Another interesting video discovery was in watching the film "Love" which contains Joni's piece called "The Black Cat With The Black Socks". The films initial credits contain Joni playing & singing a scatted version of "Love"...first time I'd heard that, and it was REALLY cool! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:11:59 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avertyour eyes ;-) Possibly, although it seems that the very concept of the project eschews comfort. I dunno, if it were my project and I had the opportunity to use masters like Wayne and Vince, even if I had used them before, I wouldn't hesitate. - -Fred In a message dated 12/10/02 7:57:42 AM, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: >FredNow@aol.com wrote: >> >> But why do you think Joni is so sold on Vince and Wayne? Is she mistaken? > >Fred, > >My opinion is that she is in the Comfort Zone, a place she never used to >seek. > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:27:12 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Searching for Sherelle {njc) Does anyone have Sherelle's email address and/or Sherelle please contact me if you get this email. Victor in Asheville NP: raindrops outside - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Blue: The Musical (long) Debra Shea wrote: As always, I look forward to whatever Joni comes up with next. She's such a good storyteller, I wonder if she's ever thought to do a musical... NPIMH: Pirates of Penzance... very theatrical Gee, it's funny you should mention this, Debra! I've been toying with how to incorporate some of Joni's songs into a musical. Here's the very rough outline. I'm interested in hearing what others think of the general idea. Blue: The Musical with songs by Joni Mitchell Characters: Penance Crane - a young woman who works as a deckhand on a fishing boat Billy Blue - a pirate Dawn (need a last name?) - a dancer the fishing boat owner the police chief fishermen and sailors (Billy's friends) Act I Scene I - Penance arrives on the dock, ready to head out for a fishing trip. She's the first one there. The boat owner admits that's she's the best crew member who brings in the most fish, but worries aloud to her about her prospects for settling down. She says she loves the freedom of the sea and sings Song to a Seagull. Act I Scene II - Billy Blue sits with friends in a bar. They talk about women. Someone asks him about Penance. He says she's too headstrong and says she wants to be "like a man," like he is actually, free and with a man in every port. He sings Cactus Tree about her. Acti I Scene III - Dawn, the dancer, enters and performs a dance routine. (maybe she could dance to a Joni song done instrumentally?) After she finishes, she goes over to Billy. They flirt. Eventually, though, Billy leaves because it's closing time, but promises "see you around." The dancer sits alone, sipping a drink. She sings Tin Angel with no small amount of irony and boredom. Act II Scene I - It's the following week. Penance is sitting with the owner of the fishing boat in the bar after coming in from a rough week on the water. They've both had too much to drink. They talk about the week and how disappointing the fishing was. The boat owner says again she should think about settling down and leave the fishing business behind. He reminds her of Billy, then leaves. Penance sings A Case of You. Act II Scene II The Pirate enters the bar with Dawn. They seem to be very affectionate and playful. He convinces Dawn to meet him after closing time and go out on the town since he'll be leaving to go out to sea tomorrow. They sing Night in the City as a duet. Act II Scene III Billy is getting ready to go to sea. He realizes how much he'll miss Dawn, and that, in fact, he loves her. He goes to the bar to tell her how he feels. He sings Down to You. Dawn says she doesn't feel the same,. She says that's he's just like all the other sailors she entertains. She sings Off Night Back Street. Dejected, Billy leaves. Act III Scene I It's time for Billy to board his boat, but he's nowhere to be found. His buddies wonder about his whereabouts as Penance, who is also on the dock, overhears them. She realizes how much she loves him. She sings Blue and watches as his boat leaves without him. Act III Scene II The police chief launces an investigation. He questions Dawn and Penance. They sing The Pirate of Penance. Both assume Billy is dead and each suspect the other. Penance announces she's heading back out to sea. Dawn returns to her job at the bar. Act III Scene III It's a few years later. Penance is on the dock. She owns her own fishing boat now. One of the sailors is late. He hurries down the dock with Dawn in tow. She whines about him leaving. In a room overlooking the dock, a figure appears. It's Billy. He sings Two Grey Rooms. Please be kind. I've only begun to think this through, but Debra's comment made me want to share it. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: False alarms and mondegreens? - njc --- Moni Kellermann wrote: > Regarding the lyrics of "Venus": > > > I personally was a huge fan of the Dutch band > Shocking Blue when I was in my > early Teens. Their version is the "original", the > 80's Bananarama one a cover. > I used to listen to the Shocking Blue version a lot > and to me the singer > Mariska Veres sings "I'm your Venus, I'm your fire, > Your desire" - there > clearly is a pause between "fire" and "your", so to > me there is no "at" in the > last line of the refrain. Thank you Moni. I knew the word "blue" was in the name of the band that did that song first, but all I could think of was "Blue Swede" who, despite their name, are also Dutch (I think.) Now I don't have to look it up, so you've saved me valuable thinking time, which I will probably spend messin' around doing nothing, but that's a valid choice too :) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:09:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: False alarms Thanks again - I never would have known that! --- Moni Kellermann wrote: > - ----- > So, if you have a hexagram consisting of twice the > "heaven" element it would > look like > > --------------- > --------------- > --------------- > --------------- > --------------- > --------------- > > and also look like six guitar strings. > > > moni ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira --- Mags N Brei wrote: > > i pronounce clandestine in the same way. > > canadian mags > Yeah, but how do you pronounce wahwahjashuska? (answer: Smith). ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:14:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Covers #35 contest is now history njc --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > believe me, everyone who wins always prefaces > their guess with "I never win these things but..." > so keep those guesses coming. Well, as a matter of fact, I never DO win these things, so maybe I should just say that next time (never mind, I think there are only so many Jonicovers I can take.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:20:14 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: JOB Re: >As for JOB, I think it's better than the original. I like the choir, which has a timeless, nationless, mysterious quality. And Joni's performance (that heartbreaking "Oh where is hope?") is magnificent.< I totally agree. The whole thing is such an explosion of grief, heartbreak and anger and everything about the arrangement enhances the song. I have not yet been able to listen to it without crying or having to hold back tears. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:29:27 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avert your eyes ;-) In a message dated 12/10/02 9:10:08 AM, AzeemAK writes: ><< If given the chance, how might you have tried to talk her out of it? >>> > >A really interesting question. I suppose, waving my hypothetical wand >for a moment to facilitate this conversation, I'd have told her that the >songs were great enough to stand alone, and that I didn't like Vince Mendoza's >arranging style, and that I feared that it would swamp her songs in treacle. > If I'd been feeling very brave, I might have said that her singing was >getting so croaky that juxtaposing it with very lush orchestral arrangements >would throw it into unfavourable contrast. If, for the sake of argument, we accept that Mendoza has swamped her songs in treacle (and, for the most part, I don't agree), then couldn't Joni's craggy voice be viewed as the anti-treacle that balances it all? Same with Wayne's quirky commentary. >Azeem in London >NP: Shawn Colvin - Whole New You (what a great record this is!) Now that's something I can endorse unequivocally! In fact, I'll see your endorsement and raise you one ... it's a stone masterpiece, as is its predecessor, A Few Small Repairs. Music just doesn't get any better. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:31:02 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira Isn't that the name of the guy that coaches Duke University's basketball team? | Yeah, but how do you pronounce wahwahjashuska? | (answer: Smith). | | | ===== | Catherine | Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:36:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Blue: The Musical (long) --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > Debra Shea wrote: As always, I look forward to > whatever Joni comes up with > next. She's such a good storyteller, I > wonder if she's ever thought to > do a musical... > NPIMH: Pirates of Penzance... very theatrical > > Gee, it's funny you should mention this, Debra! I've > been toying with how to incorporate some of Joni's > songs into a musical. Here's the very rough outline. > I'm interested in hearing what others think of the > general idea. > > Blue: The Musical > with songs by Joni Mitchell > > Characters: > Penance Crane - a young woman who works as a > deckhand > on a fishing boat > Billy Blue - a pirate > Dawn (need a last name?) - a dancer Anne, I love it. Dawn's last name? Why, Treader, of course! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:37:01 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: animal game njc >1st animal: as you see yourself > dogs-because they have characterand are fun to live with maybe i do >2nd: as others see you > cats-becasue they beautiful to look at and graceful I doubt that very much even if temperamental -probably! >3rd: what you really are > monkeys-becasue they too are gorgeous and fun. no I don't think so.. > > >Tom Ross > >Mijazi Music >(518) 372-2611 >http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:41:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Photographic Memory" --- Les Irvin wrote: > Has anyone seen this book? > ---------------- > > ''Photographic Memory'' William Claxton, > introduction by Graydon Carter > (powerHouse, $65) > [captured] the smugness of Joni Mitchell, > and many more famous faces. Smugness? I haven't seen the book, but I'd love to see this picture. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:43:24 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re:blue the musical any version NJC Where do I get tickets. This is a great idea Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:43:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Canadians To Inspect US for Weapons NJC I was wondering why it was taking so long for someone to state the obvious. Apparently the US is allowed to have weapons, but no one else is? Oh, maybe it's because Iraq is planning to use them for evil purposes? As if they could possibly be used for anything else? (I wonder if these people know Joni.) --- Kate Bennett wrote: > FW: [usob] Canadians To Inspect US for Weapons(a > friend sent this to me & at > first i thought it was a joke...apparently it is > not...look at the bottom to > see where it is from!) > > CANADIANS TO LEAD WEAPONS INSPECTION TEAM INTO USA > Toronto > November 21, 2002 > > http://www.rootingoutevil.org > > A coalition of Canadian peace groups today announced > their intention to send > an international team of volunteer weapons > inspectors into the United States > later this winter. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:45:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My ideas on Joni's statue njc --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > Yeah, at the dedication, the adults would all go, > "Oooh, words on glass. > That's so sophisticated." Then, after dark on the > first night, a bunch of > kids would use it for target practice. > > Broken words. > > [Maybe it would only happen in the USA. You don't > have guns in Canada, do > you? :) ] Yeah, but only one per person. We prefer sticks and stones. > > Lama > npimh: "Haruph! Four hundred years old, am I. My > OWN counsel will I keep." > > npimh: I don't want nobody comin' over da my table, > I got nuttin' da dalk da > anybody about. > (Grouch.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:51:49 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: animal game njc > >1st animal: as you see yourself Stalion > >2nd: as others see you Large mouth bass > >3rd: what you really are A pack mule ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:55:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Travelogue (those of a nervous disposition please avertyour eyes ;-) --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > I agree Susan. And I think the slow (glacial) tempo > of > some of the songs combined with Joni's short > phrasing > makes it even more apparent. > > I think her choices are concious and well thought > out > - perhaps they reflect her current vocal strengths > and weaknesses - but, she has said in interviews > that > her singing style incorporates short or clipped > phrasing. > > If the tempos on some of the numbers were kicked up > a > bit, I don't think I would mind the phrasing as > much. > > Jenny This is exactly my feeling on it. So exact it's scary, in fact. I find the general pace too slow. I don't mind slow, but there's too much slow stuff one right after the other. And it all seems to be the same tempo, so it's not even a question of its being slow or not - not that I've tested it with a metronome or anything, it just all *sounds* like it's the same pace for too long, except for the jazzier numbers like "Flat tires" and "Just Ice" (both of which I prefer on T over their originals, and both of which are probably my favourites on this album - for now, at least; I keep changing my mind.) I'm not fussy about Joni's phrasing either in some spots - she sounds like she's speaking it, not singing it, and I don't find it goes with the orchestral music either. I'm sure she could sing it if she wanted to. Even though her phrasing sounds in some parts as if she just can't keep her breath long enough, there are other parts where she sustains it quite well, so I'm inclined to think it's a conscious decision. I think this could work if used sparingly, as it would have dramatic effect; but to me, she overdoes it. I'm enjoying all the bantering about this album. It's amazing how many different views there are. I like that. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:02:54 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Letting Go of Joni I've been very stimulated by Azeem's posts about his disappointment with T'logue. Also inspired by other listers' critical comments about the album. They pinpoint exactly what bothers me about this album and the sad demise of Joni Mitchell's creative output. I've listened to both discs one time through and then listened to bits and pieces a few days later. In any other situation, this would not be enough time to pass judgment. But I know Joni's music so well that I have to trust my initial impression: I just don't think I could sit through it again. I agree with all the criticisms about Mendoza's pompous arrangements; and surely, Wayne Shorter's contribution to Joni's music has gone on long enough (25 years -- and it all sounds the same). There is a little piano detail in Woodstock (Herbie Hancock) that gives me the shivers it's so beautiful, but it's over in a few seconds. Now for Joni's singing: I think she is pitched way too low to produce a sustained musical phrase that can be heard above the orchestra. I think the smoking has probably limited the energy of her very breath. Can her breathing be so impaired that she cannot continue a musical phrase beyond two words? Or was it a deliberate decision to break up phrases so choppily that they are no longer musical? When I listened to Amelia, I was devastated to hear her chop up the line "Amelia it was just a false alarm" into little chunks. It just doesn't make sense emotionally or dramatically. I wonder if Joni is even aware of her own instrument and what has happened to her singing over the years. Jerry Notaro brought up another factor which I think is important: the comfort zone. Joni is taking no risks here: surrounding herself with trusted musicians, comfortably ensconced in her newfound family, and elevated to the status of museum piece by award after award -- who can blame her for retiring from the wearying, restless pursuit of love and music? Which brings me to my own personal epiphany, and this is a good time to reveal it: I'm getting weary of being a Joni fanatic! I'm increasingly worried about being obsessed with a person I've never met, whose artistic output peaked in 1979! Yes, I did see in Joni a kindred soul, who put into words and music some of my own deepest thoughts and feelings about human relationships. I admired her immense creativity and spirituality, while at the same time ignoring my own creative needs as I lived vicariously through her. At this time of my life, I feel more in touch with my creativity than ever before, having returned to one of my first loves: the visual arts. Of course, for this I can only thank Joni. Perhaps she was my muse and my mentor all along -- it just took me this long to give myself permission to be my own true self. Maybe this is my time to let go of Joni. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:20:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" --- mtotzke@gosympatico.ca wrote: > Now, how do people feel about what I think > of as Joni's "let's get serious" T'LOG triad -- > namely SLOUCHING, LUDWIG and JOB? > > I really disliked them on first listen; then they > grew on me and I found myself liking them. > Now? My fondness for JOB has deepened to > love, and I'm back to disliking the first two. Like you, I've gone back and forth and back again on so many of these songs. Joni does that. Maybe that's why I've remained a fan of hers for so long. ("I hate you some, I hate you some, I love you some!") I don't care for Ludwig at all. If it's supposed to sound Beethovenish, I don't think it does. I think there's something missing (maybe salt?) I like both Slouching and Job (right now. Ask me again tomorrow.) I'm not sure if I'll be able to get over that image of the all-guy chorus in Job as being like the guys in tuxes in dance movies though - I think it was Littlebird Andrew that started that, so I think this image is going to linger for a while and I won't be able to listen to this without laughing. A few people have mentioned that the male chorus sounds too bland (or something like that); however, if you imagine the antagonists as being either the holier-than-thou type of people who "pity" you when you're down and "understand" it when you rage at them (while secretly being thankful that it's you, not them); or as social-worker types who are supposed to retain some kind of professional distance while you whine at them; or professional torturers who are prodding at you with hot irons "for your own good" (not because they enjoy it,eh?), then you wouldn't expect them to show emotion - the language they use is detached (They don't say something like, "Hey, look, pal. We get it. We're not pissed off at you. God is punishing you, what a pain!" Instead they use this very formal bureaucratic language (emphasis mine, marked by * due to incapability of producing italics in this format): "We don't *despise* your *chastening*. God is *correcting* you." (Hey, don't blame us! It's God that's doing it!)) So it's suitable that their voices be uniform, precise, right in time with one another, and devoid of emotion. (In fact, they could be members of the Spanish Inquisition, couldn't they? Did someone say Comfy Chair?) In Slouching, I wasn't fond of the "Head of a man"s in the original either. Maybe if she had sung it a bit different. (Otherwise she'd have to take out the "Shape of a lion"s too for balance.) (Maybe if she had chanted it, or whispered it, so we'd all have to ask, "What is that thing that Joni says at the end of the chorus?") ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:22:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Letting Go of Joni --- James Leahy wrote: >> Which brings me to my own personal epiphany, and > this is a good time to > reveal it: I'm getting weary of being a Joni > fanatic! I'm increasingly > worried about being obsessed with a person I've > never met, whose > artistic output peaked in 1979! Yes, I did see in > Joni a kindred soul, > who put into words and music some of my own deepest > thoughts and > feelings about human relationships. I admired her > immense creativity and > spirituality, while at the same time ignoring my own > creative needs as I > lived vicariously through her. At this time of my > life, I feel more in > touch with my creativity than ever before, having > returned to one of my > first loves: the visual arts. Of course, for this I > can only thank Joni. > Perhaps she was my muse and my mentor all along -- > it just took me this > long to give myself permission to be my own true > self. Maybe this is my > time to let go of Joni. As long as you don't let go of us. ;) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:26:18 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: THE 3 GREAT "STIMULANTS" Wow. True. Shades of "Joni should go back to the dulcimer." "Bobby has sold out folk music." "Joni should go back to the piano." Lama ps, I agree with the last one. heh heh Jenny Goodspeed said, >>>> I get such a kick out of the fact that Travelogue is generating such passionate, diverse, and often diametrically opposed opinions on the list. It may not be as perfect or sublime as many of us would have liked, but it sure packs a punch. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:28:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Video clips... In a message dated 12/10/2002 6:07:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, whizzboom@attbi.com writes: > Where is this clip from? And, is the GMA w/ Sanborn on the JMDL video tree? > I > Don't recall ever seeing rither of these... > Chris, As far as the Sanborn & the SpeakEasy interview (a damn good btw), these were included on the AWESOME video that Ashara gave us for FREE at Jonifest 2002! (Now you see why you should come to Jonifest?) :~) FYI, the total contents are: 1. Speak Easy with Jana Lynne White (2000) 2. David Letterman (2000) 3. Rosie O'Donnell (2000) 4. Bravo - Arts & Minds - Broadcast 11/9/01 5. Farm Aid (1985) 6. Good Morning America - Broadcast 10/2/98 7. Bravo - Soundtrack of the Century 8. MTV - Influences As for the "Black Cat With The Black Mouse Socks" that is a segment of a film called "Love", written & directed by women. Joni wrote the script for her section, and stars in it as her "Art Nouveau" character from the cover of DJRD. It's interesting, a little dated, but of course well-written. I remember seeing it originally at Ashara's at a fest a couple of years ago, but there was a crowd so I couldn't really focus on it that well...AND I missed that great intro to the film with Joni playing acoustic and hum-singing "Love". I am grateful to the very kind JMDL'er who sent it to me wishing to remain anonymous, which I will of course honor. I'm happy to make copies for whoever would like them. Bob NP: Rachel Z, "Lakota" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:41:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Letting Go of Joni In a message dated 12/10/2002 8:02:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamesl@ca.inter.net writes: > Maybe this is my time to let go of Joni. Jim, thanks for sharing this intimate "confession"...though I'm not ready to "let go of Joni" just yet, I must say that the way I feel now reminds me of how I felt after CMIARS...DED was OK, but certainly didn't compare to her 70's work (for me). Then Chalk Mark was just a miscalculated mess (to my ears), and I wrote her off. Well, we know what came next...I didn't get NRH until a friend bought it and put it on tape for me to hear. Then I knew that Joni was back (certainly not in a Hejira-ish way, but at least a major rebound from CMIARS) and I was back on board, even more so with TI. Now, BSN was a swing & a miss, as is T'log, so I'm a bit on edge to see where she goes from here. Especially having heard SO much great music this year, I know that I'm not losing an interest in music or that it fails to move me. I'm sure Joni will not lose a nanosecond's sleep either way! :~) And regardless, there's still all these great folks here, and all these blankety-blank covers! Bob NP: Karrin Allyson, "The Meaning Of The Blues" (I will say that if it were not for the covers project I would never have heard this EXCELLENT new release! Buy it for "Blue Motel Room", groove to the whole thing!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #561 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)