From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #559 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 559 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: false alarms ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: False alarms And Mondegreens njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: false alarms ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira [frasere@intergate.ca] Today in History: December 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:07:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: false alarms i wonder if that is my case too and whether that's why i'd agree with joni... wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Lunes, 09 de Diciembre de 2002 08:28 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: false alarms she appears demanding and controlling and not very tolerant. I wonder if even Joni falls in love with her idea of someone instead of the reality of someone? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:08:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira there are two *official* ways to pronounce *hejira*, a word that after all has existed for centuries and that joni hasn't invented, much though i love the album. one way (and ROUGHLY, since i can't type IPA symbols here): /hedge-EYE-ruh/ the other way: /HEDGE-uh-ruh/. joni pronounces it /hezh-EE-ruh/, *zh* representing the *s* sound in *pleasure*. incidentally, how many of you pronounce *clandestine* the way joni does in ''don't interrupt the sorrow''? is it the canadian way? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:10:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: False alarms and mondegreens? - njc oh, i always thought it was: ''i'm your venus and your fire destroys desire'', which i thought extraordinarily profound for bananarama. and can you read my posts now, murphy adooooooored? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Diciembre de 2002 12:53 a.m. Para: "Patricia O'Connor"; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: False alarms and mondegreens? - njc Patty wrote: << And Venus was her name She's got it, Yeah baby she's got it >> I always thought it was, "She's goddess, yeah, baby, she's goddess." I honestly don't know who's right. On the subject of mondegreens, someone told me a new Beatles one yesterday: "She's got a chicken to ride, and she's okay!" --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:28:49 EST From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: Urge for Going (Joni) Hello, All - Thanks to Ashara for the update on the Club Passim Joni Mitchell Night - interestingly enough, four of the participants are Top Twenty songwriter competition finalists at our upcoming South Florida Folk Festival (http://www.southfloridafolkfest.com), held January 18 and 19 in Ft. Lauderdale! Also, I sent the post on to a friend of mine who manages Rachael Davis, an up-and-coming young folkie based in Boston... and it now appears she'll be added to the line-up as well - I certainly wish I could be in attendance, but whoever does go, please give Rachael (as well as Anne, Stephanie, Carl and Chris and Meredith) my love... :-) > Monday, January 6th, 2003 - 8PM > Joni Mitchell Tribute Show > Club Passim > 47 Palmer Street > Cambridge, MA > For tickets call 617-492-7679. > > Here is an incomplete list of what songs are being done by the perspective > artist...ALSO it looks as though Diane Zeigler will be coming on > board....yay! > > >Carl Cacho - Help Me > >Rob Siegel - Both Sides Now > >Ari - Blue > >Flora Reed - River > >Joel Ninesling - Little Green > >Deb Talan - Amelia > >Steph Corby - People's Parties > >Oen Kennedy - Black Crow > >Marc Herman - Borderline > >David Goldfinger - Urge For Going > >Hanneke Cassel - Morning Morgantown > >Susan Levine - > >Bridget Matros - Cactus Tree > >Dave Dersham - Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire > >Chris O'Brien - > >Michael Troy - > >Rob Laurens - Slouching Toward Bethlehem > >Meg Hutchinson - > >Anne Heaton - For Free > >Stephen Kellogg - Raised on Robbery > >Gregpry Douglass - Court And Spark > >Tim Gearan - > >Christopher Williams - A Case Of You > >Mark Erelli - Carey > >Chris &Meredith Thompson - Big Yellow Taxi > >Merrie Amsterberg - Woodstock The *Other* Susan... :-) http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "It's coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees They're putting up reindeer And singing songs of joy and peace Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on But it don't snow here It stays pretty green..." ~ Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:33:51 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: "Photographic Memory" Has anyone seen this book? - ---------------- ''Photographic Memory'' William Claxton, introduction by Graydon Carter (powerHouse, $65) Claxton is most famous for his pictures of early jazz giants. Just check out the shot of Chet Baker, looking sweet and sculpted in a fitted white sweater. (''He looked like an angelic boxer,'' remembers Claxton, ''a tough guy with a pretty face topped with a slick '50s pompadour.'') But the jazz lover also captured the vulnerability of a young Mia Farrow, the silliness of Terry Southern, the smugness of Joni Mitchell, and many more famous faces. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:02:27 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira > incidentally, how many of you pronounce *clandestine* the way joni does in > ''don't interrupt the sorrow''? is it the canadian way? > > wallyK > Sweetie, I think it's just the way that rhymes with 'wine'. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:07:17 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: False alarms Nuriel wrote, and Steve Dulson responded: >i think that the false alarm moto refers to the 6 plains she saw. >the plains >were probably called on a mission a drill maybe an atack >that turned out to be >a false alarm. makes sense, eh? If you've ever driven across "the burning desert" from LA to say Albuquerque you can see six, or a dozen, commercial jetliners at any one time flying from LA to the east coast, leaving vapor trails." Steve: could be, and I would have thought this was the only possibility, if I hadn't taken up some years ago with a guy who lives for all things connected to naval aviation. ;-) As it is, I know that the U.S. Navy's precision flying squad, the Blue Angels, which performs in air shows around the country, completes its early training in late fall of each year at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, FL. But then, around January, the Blue Angels pack up to begin even more serious training in--you got it--the desert, in and around Southern California. There are six Blue Angel planes in the squad. Their "vapor trails," given the intricacy and symmetry of their exercises, are quite memorable. Kinda gives new meaning to Joni's musings at the end of "Woodstock" about the planes of war turning into butterflies, doesn't it? Even though these are F/A 18s, I think, not bombers. Mary. P.S. Another possibility is that Joni saw training by a similar squad that the Air Force mantains--the Thunderbirds? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:12:07 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: False alarms And Mondegreens njc You know Bob, it's bad enough I will never be able to sing or humm some of these songs without your embellishments. Especially; Zeus Must Be A Boogie Man, That Song About The Minotaur and Don't Interrupt The Cyclops. But now you've actualy bastardized a Beatles song as well! "She's got a Chicken to ride?" I can't get that visual out of my head! I have been almost embarrassed to mention one of my favorite mondegreens. Mostly because I am not sure if it really is one or if it is pure stupidity. But I remember a childhood friend singing Carol King's, "I Feel The Earth Move," as "I feel the moon stars under my skin." That must hurt like hell! Peace, Susan NP: Diana Krall/East of the Sun - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Well, Hell, just off the top of my head I can think of quite a few Greek references in Joni's > songs: > > Hera and the Kingpin > > Let the Wind Carry Hermes > > The Last Time I Saw Pegasus > > The Crazy Cries of Prometheus > > Taming the Mortals > > Heracles Louise > > The Silky Veils of Artemis > > Don't Interupt the Cyclops > > The Hissing of Medusa's Hair > > Shades of Hades Conquering > > Telemachus's Dad's Battle Axe > > That Song about the Minotaur > > Zeus Must Be a Boogie Man > > Goodbye Winged Hat > > Little Greek > > Hope this helps! > > --Bob Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:19:59 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: false alarms > Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this. I know I'm trying to be a little > too analytical about this. Joni's meanings (in her best songs) are conveyed > implicitly, not obviously. Well at the risk of being overly analytical and of repeating myself, I'm going to weigh in on this one. To me the whole song is about searching for happiness or fulfillment or peace of mind or some sign that will point to one or all of those things. Joni has followed many signs and paths at this point of her life, looking for that meaning or answer but they have all been false alarms. The 6 jet planes - not a mystical sign, just a false alarm. Traveling around from place to place - no answers or happiness, just picture post card charms - another false alarm. Fame and fortune or striving for a great achievement like Icarus or Amelia - not enough, one more false alarm. Falling out of those rarefied clouds down to earth and falling in love - the good part doesn't last, maybe she doesn't even know how to love - another cruel and crushing false alarm. My two cents. Mark E in Seattle Who likes 'nice kitty, kitty' and can't understand why it's such a crime for Joni to throw in a light line or two. Or (Goddess forbid!) write a whole song that's just playful and fun. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:03:08 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Joni's pronunciation of Hejira Au Contraire! I believe the "correct" CDN way would be: clan-DES-tin Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Mark or Travis : > > incidentally, how many of you pronounce *clandestine* the way joni does in > > ''don't interrupt the sorrow''? is it the canadian way? > > > > wallyK > > > Sweetie, I think it's just the way that rhymes with 'wine'. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:10:01 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 10 1966: Joni performs tonight at the Folk Cellar III in Port Huron, Michigan. More info: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1502641&a=11682876&p=41512516&Sequence=0&res=high 1990: Joni presented the "#1 World Single" award at the Billboard Awards to Sinead O'Connor for her smash hit version of Prince's "Nothing Compares 2 U." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/BillboardAwardSinead90.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:10:01 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 10 On December 10 the following items were published: 1994: "Joni Mitchell warms up Euro press with showcase" - Billboard (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=790 1999: "The Lonely Painter" - Woodstock.com (Review - Art Show) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=704 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #559 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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