From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #554 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 554 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Replacements ROCK!! ["chuty001" ] Re: Saskatoon gets cold in winter ["chuty001" ] Re: Joni's statue [us ] Sculptors NJC ["chuty001" ] Re: Saskatoon gets cold in winter njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Six Degrees Of Seperation (NJC) Was: Joni Compilation! ["Mark or Trav] 15th century murder ballads njc ["Kate Bennett" ] 15th century murder ballads njc ["Kate Bennett" ] elton john/court & spark ["Kate Bennett" ] Happy Outcome to Annoying "Try This Quiz" Thingy (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.c] Joni's morbid little Christmas [Little Bird ] re: the hole in her stockings ["mia ortlieb" ] At first too depressing to listen to ["PAUL PETERSON" ] yippeeee!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today in History: December 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Name Recognition - NJC [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:53:19 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Replacements ROCK!! The place Mats I forgot about that. Westerberg has wrote a lot of the soundtrack to my life. I even went through the whole Wonderland theme park crap just to see them. The things I do for music. DF ----- Original Message ----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: chuty001@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Replacements ROCK!! In a message dated 12/07/2002 9:03:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, chuty001@hotmail.com writes: Are you a Replacements fan? I saw them a few times they were great. Oh hell yes!! The 'Mats were one of the brightest spots of the 80's...sadly they were a band out of time. But their stuff still rocks, and Westerberg's solo stuff is also all worthwhile. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:09:37 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Saskatoon gets cold in winter Growing up in rural Ontario there was not a whole lot to do in winter but go skating on the rivers and ponds. This song pretty much sums up how I feel every year about this time. DF - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Mulvey" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Saskatoon gets cold in winter > > Lori, Saskatoon's climate basically ranges from minus 40 C to plus 40 > > C. The norm is around minus 20 in the winter, and we have long > > winters - November until May sometimes. June is warmer, July and > > August are mid-30s, sometimes 40. September and October are the only > > months I would call normal (being from the UK). > > I guess what makes 'River' such a great song is not only the sense of > longing, but also the sense of *coooold*! I mean, if it was me, I could > have written, " I wish I had a river that I could sail away on". Or even > "float away on". But "skate away on"? Now that's genius. > > Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:17:34 -0500 From: us Subject: Re: Joni's statue place it near a river or lake, some cool water. include a window. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:32:46 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Sculptors NJC I know nothing of sculpting I'm a pencil and paper kind of guy myself. I've seen a few names mentioned was wondering if anyone had a sculptor in mind they thought was up to the task of capturing the essence of Joni in a statue. DF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:31:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Saskatoon gets cold in winter njc --- chuty001 wrote: > Growing up in rural Ontario there was not a whole > lot to do in winter but go > skating on the rivers and ponds. This song pretty > much sums up how I feel > every year about this time. > My daughter and I went down to the lake (Ontario) today. There's an amazing park and fish/bird/butterfly habitat at Humber Bay if you go straight down Park Lawn to the lake. We go there often, any time of year. It's only about a five minute drive (OK, maybe ten mintues) from our house and is a wonderful piece of country in the middle of the city. You can walk down on the beach, or ramble out along a spit they've made, which is full of wildflowers and plants of all kinds in summer and fall. Sometimes you can go there when it's hot and sultry outside and, if you walk right out to the end of the spit, you can stand on these huge rocks and catch a breeze. One day in summer we went there when there was a crazy wind blowing and huge waves crashing onto the rocks and we stood on the rocks and shrieked into the wind. There are some ponds they've built as fish habitats and there are tons of birds, including swans, in summer. Today when we got down there, the ponds were frozen and people were skating and playing hockey on them. (The hockey players were all speaking Russian.) I guess I hadn't realized just how cold it has been in the last few weeks, because my brain would simply not accept the fact that not only was the water frozen, but it was frozen hard enough for people to skate on it. Now where the hell did I stash my skates? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:37:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: thumbs down (tears remix) NJC --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > Catherine, I've ridden in the car with you when you > *weren't* crying, and > that was scary enough LOL I scare MYSELF when I'm driving, especially at night; especially in a strange place; especially in a strange place where there are no damn streetlights! > (just kidding you sweetie, you were kind enough to > give me a ride back to the > hotel and none of us knew where in the hell we > were)..........things like > that make jonifests special We sort of knew where we were and we knew where we wanted to go, because we kept SEEING the damn hotel from every angle possible. We just couldn't figure out how to get there. Cripes, it was like a nightmare. I still have flashbacks. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:50:53 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Joni's statue > place it near a river or lake, some cool water. > include a window. and a door ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:31:20 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Six Degrees Of Seperation (NJC) Was: Joni Compilation! > Stephen Toogood wrote:- > > P.S. For people in the UK who have not seen 'Six Degrees Of > > Seperation' you have to. and Chris Marshall wrote: > Because I'm Pisces, and we Pisceans want it *now*, > I was therefore slightly dissatisfied by the ending, > purely because it leaves so many loose ends, so may > tales untold, unfinshed. On the other hand, it does > give me things to think about, to wonder about. > > Drawing on the assembled knowledge here present, was > this film a book beforehand, and if so, who by? It was a play by John Guare. Very talky but very compelling film. Probably the best performance Will Smith ever gave or seems likely to give. Seems more interested in puffery like 'Men In Black' and 'Wild, Wild West' these days. But he is very good in this movie. Stockard Channing is excellent. I think ultimately the ending is about her character's epiphany about the shallowness and emptiness of her own life. This is one of those pieces where there are all kinds of themes & ideas getting tossed around. It gives the viewer a lot to chew on. I really liked it. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:39:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 15th century murder ballads njc "15th Century murder ballads." vince, it sounds like some of those old irish songs i somehow learned once upon a time...stuff like 'i shot my love beneath the old oak tree' i don't know what century they are from but they all seem to be about love & death... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:41:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 15th century murder ballads njc "15th Century murder ballads." vince, it sounds like some of those old irish songs i somehow learned once upon a time...stuff like 'i shot my love beneath the old oak tree' i don't know what century they are from but they all seem to be about love & death... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:41:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: elton john/court & spark don't know that movie or song but i've said it before & i'll say it again, i think elton copped (how's that for a 60's phrase?) a whole lot from jackson browne's song 'song for adam' when he wrote 'candle in the wind' ... both melody & lyrics >>I wanted to ask anyone if they know Elton johns sountrack to a film called 'Friends' and if they do...do they notice any similarities between it and Court and Spark.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:36:00 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Happy Outcome to Annoying "Try This Quiz" Thingy (sjc) Hi Gang -- For the sole reason that both my sisters sent me the same annoying "Try this quiz, don't look ahead" type things *simultaneously*-- my sisters essentially never speak, and don't communicate on the internet, so this intrigued me -- I took it. It was typically pseudo-random, and two of the instructions were badly worded, etc., but since four of the things one was to list were songs - -- and guess what *I've* been listening to non-stop lately -- I thought i might share what came out. The two instructions that were vague asked merely for two people of the opposite sex, without mentioning that they were people one should actually know, not just know *of*: As a result, I apparently associate Martin Sheen with "Help Me" (he was on the TV as I took the quiz), and Tallulah Bankhead with "Be Cool". Rather apt, since although she usually appeared in control in public, Tallulah was reportedly a mess in real life. Now, the real stuff: The song that "said the most about my mind" was "Just Like This Train". Eerily on target. And the song that "said the most about my life" was -- I kid you not -- "Love"!!! Made my day. Love, :-) Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni's morbid little Christmas Does anyone think Joni might fulfill her "big orchestra" prophesy by recording an album of "morbid little Christmas songs" now that the other two are out of the way? In 1998 she mentioned she wanted to finish off her career with three "big band" albums: 1. an album of standards, 2. an album of covers of her own songs and, 3. an album of "morbid little Christmas songs." She's scored two out of three so far. Do you suspect that's next? Part of me is hoping that she has long since forgotten about this idea... Still, if it does go through, what songs of hers could fill an album's worth of morbid Christmas songs. There's River, there's Chinese Cafe (been done), there's Face Lift and what else? I'm hoping against hope that she has scrapped this notion but for the sake of morbidity, shall we flesh out a possible track listing? - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:47:42 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: the hole in her stockings <> I agree with you! Besides the references from "All I Want" and "The Boho Dance" that others here have mentioned, Joni also wore: "Mama's nylons underneath my cowgirl jeans"! I really love it when the Joni only digests are so full of posts. I get extra treats in my mail box the same day! Mia (who's off to Fool's Paradise soon. I'll let you know if I see any dry cleaners from Des Moines!) _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:15:08 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: At first too depressing to listen to Listened to Travelogue once the day it was released and put it away. Waaaay too depressing to listen to given the emotional state I was in at the time. I mean, think about it, when was the last time you heard this many depressing topics dealt with on a CD? Terrorist attacks airplane crashes a life without love loss of 60's innocence a blood dimmed tide loosed upon the world innocence drowned in anarchy god making everything we dread and fear come true losing all taste for life starvation of the faithful crucifixion of the saints prosperity of the wicked breathtaking ignorance the emptiness of commercial success the shock of knowing you really have no one having no one to give your love to greed lust gas leaks oil spills sex as a mortally dangerous act doctor's pills giving new ills getting buried by an avalanche of bills everyone hates everyone rapists in the pool kids packin guns ulcerated ozone skin cancer the massive mess we're in sex selling everything holding back tears perfection always denied thunderheads of judgement gravestones giving up one's child at her birth uranium mining tearing down landmarks paving over parks ripping off Indian land short sighted businessmen nothing lasts for long rape of a child drinking at home with the TV on dark cafe days sniping steadily snubbing snidely the loss of our dreams' grandeur the great sadness of our human consciousness of time Well yesterday, on a long car trip, I listened again. And again. There is greatness here. Still a lot of sadness (and anger), but great poetry and music. And the choices seem mostly right, given the times we're living through. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:44:55 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Travelogue as a single CD First, let me say I'm glad this is a two-CD set, since it's unlikely Joni would have picked the cuts I find to be the best. But what do you think of the following as a more intense and consistently brilliant single CD of Travelogue (with a different emotional arc): 1. You Dream Flat Tires 2. The Dawntreader 3. Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody 4.Hejira 5.Judgement of the Moon and Stars 6.Slouching Towards Bethlehem 7. The Sire of Sorrow 8. Sex Kills 9. For The Roses 10. Woodstock 11. God Must Be A Boogie Man 12. Be Cool 13. Love ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:55:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: yippeeee!!! njc argentina has just won the world hockey cup!!! against the netherlands, no less! sorry, but i needed a reason to brag about my otherwise very dreadful Argentina... love to all, wallyK, who played hockey in grade school a million years ago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 02:02:58 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 8 1975: Joni ended her "tour" with the Rolling Thunder Revue today at Madison Square Garden in New York City. She performed four new songs during the five-hour concert. "Well, it looks like I'm here to fight someone tonight", she said, "I never knew that Bob Dylan was this big." - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 02:02:58 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 8 On December 8 the following items were published: 1975: "Folk Rock Stars Give Concert at Jersey Prison" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=869 1995: "Jackson's collapse upstages awards show" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=894 1996: "Both Sides, Later" - Los Angeles Times (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=144 1996: "Help for Joni in baby search " - Calgary Sun (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=90 1996: "Why Joni Mitchell has to find the little she gave away" - The Mail (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=582 2001: "Joni: some sides now" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Book) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=698 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:53:32 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Name Recognition - NJC SCJoniGuy wrote: < Susan (not the Guzzi one)> I like this Bob! What a way to fame on the JMDL! - Not to mention I'm a Leo ... and well I'm sure everyone knows about us. ;-P So even when you're NOT referring to me - YOU ARE! And I'm sure all the other Susan's will appreciate it as well! LOL! And turnabout is fair play ... So hence forth I will use; Bob (not the Murphy one). Sorry, but he HAS laid claim to the eggs and all. I didn't hear you come knockin'! LOL! Just wondering, was it me or my fair city (Chicago) that was on your mind today? I also noticed you were listening to Beth Orton and I forget who else, both live shows from Chicago performances. Peace, Susan NPIMH: Susan/The Buckinghams (and a Chicago band) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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