From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #552 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 552 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Saskatoon gets cold in winter ["Kate Bennett" ] bitch njc [colin ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] JM statue JC ["William Chavez" ] Re: My ideas on Joni's statue [dsk ] Re: Dylan and joni: Idiot Wind ["Adam Mulvey" ] Re: Gregg Cagno's Holiday CD - "River" cover! ["Adam Mulvey" ] Re: re:Edgar Allen Poe [Deb Messling ] Re: AZEEM & ERIC [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni & Dylan ["RSM" ] Re: Dylan and joni: Idiot Wind [Deb Messling ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #551 [Aerchak@aol.com] travelogue is a grower [Nuriel Tobias ] Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue [Aerchak@aol.com] travelogue bad reviews...? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Lady with the hole in her stocking [Catherine McKay ] Re: bitch njc [Catherine McKay ] 1974 NJC (was "That C&S song) [Yael Harlap ] Re: re:Edgar Allen Poe ["Patricia O'Connor" ] NJC drawings from photos ["chuty001" ] Re: Joni Mitchell - Albumwriter [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gregg Cagno's Holiday CD - "River" cover! [Catherine McKay ] Re: travelogue is a grower njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue [Catherine McKay ] Re: 1974 NJC (was "That C&S song) [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC drawings from photos [Catherine McKay ] Re: THAT C&S SONG ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Hammerskins? [Catherine McKay ] Re: THAT C&S SONG [Catherine McKay ] Re: travelogue is a grower njc [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: travelogue is a grower njc [vince ] All I Want (Joni) [OzWoman321@aol.com] hey friends [vince ] Best movie of 2002 njc ["kerry" ] re:Edgar Allen Poe ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: Best movie of 2002 njc ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: thumbs down (tears remix) NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Best movie of 2002 njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Best movie of 2002 njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: THAT C&S SONG [Jenny Goodspeed ] Subject: Travelogue - Wow! ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:27:04 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Saskatoon gets cold in winter >>I guess what makes 'River' such a great song is not only the sense of longing, but also the sense of *coooold*! I mean, if it was me, I could have written, " I wish I had a river that I could sail away on". Or even "float away on". But "skate away on"? Now that's genius.<< it took me a few christmases to get over the lack of cold & snow when i moved to california from the east coast...it just never quite seemed like a real christmas & this song so perfectly expressed my feelings each year... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:32:15 +0000 From: colin Subject: bitch njc well I am about to leave for Fressain in France to go look at some bitches. Thru the Chunnel again. The best way to go. and i have no trouble driving my car on the other side and switching back again. it seems to be automatic to know which side one should be on. This time I am going on my own so won't have my map reader with me! cold and damp and dull here with snow expected both here and in france. I love snow-trouble is we only get an inch then it melts. When I lived in Germany, we got feet of it. have a good weekend, peeps. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 03:41:33 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] Catherine Did you labor over this or did it just flow out as you typed. I thought it was a really funny way of saying "ENOUGH ALREADY!" You know I think it would be great to ask Joni what she thought but I'm kind of surprised she even went as far as giving the "bench" suggestion. She has that "Forget what it means to me, what does it mean to you" attitude. Yet, Joni is a pretty hard cookie to please and most likely she will not be completely satisfied with whatever is erected in tribute to her. It's like Judy's BSN. I'm sure Joni is happy that Judy decided to cover her song but just was not 100% thrilled with the finish project. Hopefully she will be as thrilled with it as she was that cookbook. It sounds like she really dug that. I think the cook book probably caught her by surprise(offguard). This statue thing is already losing the cookbook feel. Will Then again, she also needs her dulcimer, guitars (acoustic, electric, VG8, whatever), her piano, preferably a grand; that'd be nice. She has cats too, so maybe there should be cats all around her (maybe one on her shoulder?). And then again there's her new little doggie. She needs to have her paints and her easel, and some paper to write down the lyrics of new songs. What should she be wearing? Something by Issey? (maybe he can donate something to the cause, like a dress made out of bronze). My goodness, this is getting kind of busy. Hmm, how about a desk to put the paper on that she's writing the lyrics on so she doesn't have to hold it? how about a couple of extra hands to hold all that stuff? how about a marble bowling ball over the month of June? Saskatoon gets cold in winter. She's going to need a coat and a good pair of winter boots, maybe with an extra pair of heavy socks to keep her feet warm. Don't forget the hat, she needs one of those. Is she still drinking that German wine? Get her a bottle of that. And a glass to drink it out of; we can't have Joni slugging it back from the bottle. Aw, jeez, get her a whole case; she's going to be there a while. (How big is this park or wherever the statue's going to be? Is there room for a Lexus?) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 03:46:00 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: JM statue JC Sorry guys(and gals) I keep forgetting to put something in the subject slot. I hope you've noticed that I'm getting better at remembering this. Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 03:58:27 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: My ideas on Joni's statue Merk54@aol.com wrote: > > If it was practical, you could even have several lyric panels, erected in a circle, kind > of a Joni Stonehenge, with lyrics from some of her various eras. I like this! And, to take it further (I hope you don't mind), in a lushly grassy area I see 8 slabs of highly polished large rectangular stones, "granite markers" but so big and flat-sided they don't remind anyone of tombstones, and so highly polished that viewers can see themselves (I love it when the viewers can literally become a part of the art), and with the music and lyrics etched in. The songs I'd pick are Hejira, Refuge of the Roads, Woodstock, Circle Game, Both Sides Now (all of which I consider her "classics" even though some are not my favorites), and then three others chosen... somehow. And I would put the slabs at north, east, south and west, and then the other four in between those, and with plenty of space between each slab so it doesn't feel claustrophobic inside the circle. > In addition to the lyrics, the panels could have artistic etchings, encorporating Joni > themes (possibly even a hint or two of smoke to appease the smoking crowd). In the > center of this could be a bronze of Joni, or preferrably a bronze collage of Joni related > items - paint brushs, dobro, a guitar, an ash tray, an Eagle and a Serpent,a pair of > Forceps and a Stone, a beret, etc. I'd leave all this stuff out, but then I tend toward minimalism, and simple, pure lines, and rich materials. The shadows created at different times of the day would be another design element. > The collage bronze could then be set in the center of > a circular bench, where you could sit, and view the various panels. I like the circular bench idea, maybe white marble with a pool of water in the center. That may not be practical for Canada since it would be frozen for part of the year, but if it was gently moving water, ripples from the center outward, then maybe that would keep it from being frozen in all but the very coldest months. > If glass isn't > practical, than the panels could be made of stone, or metal - hey this way, you could > even put lyrics on both sides of the panels. I'd keep the outside of the panels rather plain and mysterious so that people are enticed into the center and then are surprised. (Surprised like going down an alley in Florence and then at the end of it finding yourself in a big welcoming plaza -- that's a wonderful feeling.) Maybe the outside face of one of the slabs could have Joni's bio, and maybe her image etched in if there's no statue of her. It would be possible to have a bronze figure of Joni sitting on the marble bench, and I'd have her looking at the "Hejira" panel since that song has so much to do with immortality. That may be too obvious, though, and kind of corny so I'm not sure about that. Another thought is to have a full size figure of Joni leaning against the inside of one of the panels. I've always liked her attitude in the photo used for the TNT tribute poster. That would be fun, going into the circle and seeing "Joni" standing there looking sassy. > Anyway, this was just what came to my mind when I thought of a Joni tribute. I prefer > the collage idea because the likeness would be hard to capture, and then we would all be > bitching that it doesn't look like her, plus then there's the whole issue of what era > Joni do you portray, etc. The likeness *could* be captured. There's a bronze statue in NYC of a man in a suit hailing a cab that's so believable cabs were stopping and he had to be moved back from the curb. I don't know who the artist is, but could find out. Any representation will never be able to include all of the details about Joni so it would be a matter of distilling it all down to symbols. Even the likeness of Joni, if there is one, would be a symbol. And discussion and bitching would all be part of the process. Just my more than 2 cents... Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:33:32 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: Dylan and joni: Idiot Wind > I had heard it was about Roger McGuinn; the reference to > "Chestnut Mare" (one of his songs) would seem to bear this > out. > RR Well, people like to say that bits of Idiot Wind, like bits of Tangled Up In Blue, are addressed to various different people as the song goes on. It's hard to listen to the whole thing without mainly hearing a gloriously bitter lost love song, though. Joni singing it would, of course, put a new spin on it. (And if you only know the furious Blood on the Tracks version of Idiot Wind, I urge you to listen to the plangent New York outtake on The Bootleg Series Vol. 2. Stunning.) Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:48:33 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: Travelogue - thumbs down I'm afraid > Eric W Taylor wrote: > I always love it when a critical reviewer pans an album > > > admittedly before listening to the first half of it. > Have you ever taken a few bites of food, and said "uh...no > thanks...." ? > Would eating more of it make you like it better? Well... yeah. It would. I mean, my mom spent years trying to get me to eat various vegetables as a kid, but I always thought they were revolting. Then, when I grew up a bit, I started eating them, and hey presto! I even like sprouts. I mean, food does grow on you sometimes. Unless it's just bad food, obviously. I've lost count of the number of albums I've spat out in disgust at the first chew, then gone back and found - hey! This ain't so bad! This is good! (Best example I know: Janis Ian's Between The Lines album. Disgust on Monday, obsession by Friday....) Can't speak for Travelogue, though, cos I ain't heard it yet. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:23:06 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Joni Mitchell - Albumwriter > > I have to say, it's People's Parties that does it > > for me. > > "Down To You" for me, but Court & Spark flows so seamlessly from start to > finish it's impossible to pick 1 track. Like I've said before, once I hear > those piano chords that kick off the title track, I'm locked in for the whole > ride, and it's not uncommon that I want to hear it again...and again. Yeah, I'm one of those people who very rarely likes an album all the way through - I like to pick and choose tracks - but if you were to stick Blue, Court and Spark and For The Roses in your-multi CD player you'd really have no need of the skip button at all. I'd find that impossible to say about almost any other artist, to be honest. That's what she should be called - not a songwriter, but an 'albumwriter'.... Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:31:16 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: Re: Gregg Cagno's Holiday CD - "River" cover! > No...not a joke at all. Barry's latest is called "A Christmas Gift Of Love" > and includes the usual suspects, plus River, plus the title song which he > wrote, plus "My Favorite Things"....since when is THAT a Christmas song? > Anyway, he obviously has no clue what "River" is about...he sings it like > it's a little pop ditty. Ah, bless him. Or shoot him. One or the other. > > That being said...Barry was pretty good in his day. He had a number of great > tunes, PLUS he did play piano for what famous bathhouse singer? Your cue, > Murphy... Ah yes, Midler and Manilow, two great gifts to the American music industry. First, let's take a sledgehammer to Wind Beneath My Wings, and then - Hey! "Bermuda Triangle, it makes people disappear..." :o) Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:18:00 -0000 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: C&S/Canada > > > I believe Help Me got all the way to #2 on the > > > Canadian charts. > > > > > That's becuase you Canadians have style and taste. > > > > Ken Yeah, what is this thing about Americans slagging off all things Canadian? Speaking as a Brit, if you watch South Park or listen to American talk show hosts or just surf around the US-centred bits of the Web, it's hard to see what you've all done to upset them... Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:32:28 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: re:Edgar Allen Poe I like this one! It fits because the song itself is appropriately dark and gloomy. At 10:40 PM 12/6/02 -0600, you wrote: >Good catch Mark! Also, could "The Beat of Black Wings" be a reference also? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:42:32 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: AZEEM & ERIC I have a live version of FTR from her Camden, NJ concert, and I like it a lot better than the album version. Does anybody agree with me? The live version almost had a Kurt Weill feel about it, not to mention Norma Desmond. I guess the album is basically the same arrangement, but it seems to lack a little bite. At 05:41 PM 12/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >I do agree that FOR THE ROSES is a bit much -- >although it is growing on me (I love someone's >earlier comment that it has a Nora Desmond >quality!). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:45:36 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan Some interesting reading about joni and bobbie here: http://www.bobdylanroots.com/mitchell.html An excerpt: The first official meeting was the Johnny Cash Show in 1969. We played that together. Afterwards Johnny had a party at his house. So we met briefly there. Over the years there were a series of brief encounters. Tests. Little art games. I always had an affection for him. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:47:08 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Dylan and joni: Idiot Wind Okay, and I heard it was about Joan Baez, go figure! Actually I think the guy that wrote "Positively Fourth Street" said it was about Baez, but don't quote me. Interesting aside: the guy who wrote Positively 4th Street, and also the idiotic column in the NY Times about lesbians taking over folk music, is a native of my home town. His wife is a jazz singer who has covered Barangrill. At 10:25 PM 12/6/02 -0800, you wrote: > > Someone once told me that Dylan''s "Idiot Wind" (1975, Blood On The Tracks) > > was about Joni. My apologies if this has already been covered. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:50:16 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #551 It's funny how a song or an album can be so time specific. Such as Court and Spark. Someone said "it must have been late winter/early spring 1974" and, of course, that's exactly when it was. But I remember so clearly being in my third year at Syracuse living in that house on the other side of the park with Rachel and Chris and that wonderful album playing over and over. Here it is, 28 years later and I find myself driving to work and popping that CD in and "I've seen a lot of hot, hot blazes come down to smoke and ash" gets me every time too. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: travelogue is a grower Hi everyone! God, it was so hard finding travelogue in israel (joni's right, the music biz sucks) but now that i've got it and heard it i can say it's a real grower in the sense that bit by bit you "forget" how the original versions of the songs sounded like and you begin listening to it as if those are the original versions. what a lovely album. love, nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:09:37 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue Recently two members, Bruce and Michael, wrote comments individually regarding the artistic integrity of the statue. Their comments deserve notice. Figurative memorials can be awful. Art by committee is frightening. A great artist must do the work and should have creative reign to do so. I think it's more about finding the artist than designing the statue, folks. The artist will do that, yes? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 04:52:59 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: travelogue bad reviews...? Did joni get bad reviews on travelogue? what did the bastards had to say this time? love, nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:00:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lady with the hole in her stocking --- Cactustree78@aol.com wrote: > I always thought this line refered to a funny > experience that she was lookin back on...Like "oh > honey, remember that time we were at that club and > that lady asked you to dance and she had all those > runs in her stocking"..Thats what I always think of > when I hear that line...Peace again ***kevin**** I always thought Joni was the lady with the hole in her stocking (Didn't it feeeeeeeeel good? Didn't it feel GOOD!") Also identified with that as I almost always have a hole in my stocking. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:01:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: thumbs down (tears remix) --- Eric W Taylor wrote: > Catherine in Toronto wrote: > > << If I'm in a particularly depressed mood and > listen to Travelogue, I > just end up crying my eyes out anyway, so listening > to it a lot probably > ain't a good idea. Not that it's depressing, but I > do find it emotionally > draining when I'm feeling weak. >> > > Funny, when Joni's music makes me cry I > always feel SO much > better. > It's like creatively understanding the root > of one's sadness. > I usually feel energized when hearing the > demons of despair being > told off so beautifully! > ET It usually does make me feel better. It's like catharsis. The problem was, I was driving at the time. Driving with your eyes full of water - not good. I like my big boo hoos at home at night when I can feel sorry for myself and get it over with; after that, I feel SOOOO much better. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:05:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bitch njc --- colin wrote: > well I am about to leave for Fressain in France to > go look at some bitches. Colin, you kill me, honest to God. Have a good trip. Find a good bitch. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:45:52 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: 1974 NJC (was "That C&S song) ken wrote: >It's all got me thinking about 1974 and I did some research. > >Joni reached #7 In April with Help Me. >Maria Muldaur reached #6 in March with Midnight at the Oasis >BUT >Sister Janet Mead reached #4 in March with (remember this?)The Lord's Prayer and i was born in july! ;-p - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:06:26 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: re:Edgar Allen Poe > My thought was 'Some come dark and strange like dying/crows and ravens > whistling' from 'Songs to Aging Children Come'. And Crazy Crow Music. Or maybe: "Cry for Eddie in the corner Thinking he's Poebody" Patty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:07:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc ( we don't want anyone complaing about THAT again!) --- William Chavez wrote: > Catherine > Did you labor over this or did it just flow out as > you typed. I thought it > was a really funny way of saying "ENOUGH ALREADY!" It just kind of came out all by itself. Scary, innit? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:07:13 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Hammerskins? Bob M (SCJoniGuy) wrote All kidding aside, this kind of sh*t makes me ashamed to live in a country built on things like freedom of speech. Not what the founding fathers & mothers had in mind... I can't stand the thought of a group like this either, Bob, but I think allowing them to voice their opinion, as odious as it is, is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind. The day we tell people what to say and think is the day we should really be ashamed. (Of course, a sharp legal mind might be able to determine how others' civil liberties are infringed upon by this gathering, but I leave that to a greater mind than mine...) So how are you down there in the storm ravaged south? I was thinking of you as I watched the news the other night. Yikes! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:09:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My ideas on Joni's statue --- dsk wrote: > > I like the circular bench idea, maybe white marble > with a pool of water > in the center. That may not be practical for Canada > since it would be > frozen for part of the year, but if it was gently > moving water, ripples > from the center outward, then maybe that would keep > it from being frozen > in all but the very coldest months. It would be totally practical. You could skate on it in the winter. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:14:58 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: NJC drawings from photos Some body sent me a copy of the photo I had drawn. Nice photo that's why I drew it. This is just to clarify the two images labelled drawings which I provided links to are drawn from photos. The one labelled sketch was not. CRS aka DF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:16:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - Albumwriter --- Adam Mulvey wrote: > > Yeah, I'm one of those people who very rarely likes > an album all the way > through - I like to pick and choose tracks - but if > you were to stick Blue, > Court and Spark and For The Roses in your-multi CD > player you'd really have > no need of the skip button at all. I'd find that > impossible to say about > almost any other artist, to be honest. That's what > she should be called - > not a songwriter, but an 'albumwriter'.... I have to listen to these both all the way through too. Taking something out would be like removing part of a symphony or taking a chapter out of a good book. With C&S, the songs flow into one another too - the notes at the end of one song blend into the beginning of the next. The ideas of the songs flow into one another too. Joni doesn't lend herself to sound bites or multi-tasking. You have to take the time to listen, and it's always worth it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:21:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gregg Cagno's Holiday CD - "River" cover! --- Adam Mulvey wrote: > Ah yes, Midler and Manilow, two great gifts to the > American music industry. > First, let's take a sledgehammer to Wind Beneath My > Wings, and then - Hey! > "Bermuda Triangle, it makes people disappear..." I feel really guilty about this, because I HATE maudlin, but "Wind beneath my wings" does make me tear up (in the sentimental way, not the painful way. The I hate to get all bitchy and bite someone's head off to hide my moment of weakness.) I like Bette a lot when she's being funny; I could do without the schmaltz, thank you very much, but "Wind beneath my wings" is kind of a guilty pleasure (not to be indulged in frequently, as this can lead to nausea). ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:28:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: C&S/Canada now njc --- Adam Mulvey wrote: > Yeah, what is this thing about Americans slagging > off all things Canadian? > Speaking as a Brit, if you watch South Park or > listen to American talk show > hosts or just surf around the US-centred bits of > the Web, it's hard to see > what you've all done to upset them... I always chuckle at this stuff. I take it as a back-handed compliment (hey! they noticed us!). How Canadian of me. I understand a lot of the writers on these shows are Canadian, so the last laugh's probably on the Yanks (we stuck something Canadian in there and we got away with it!) My kids hate it when I laugh at the weird Canadian references in The Simpsons and South Park - they just see it as Americans dissing Canadians and they get so mad and they don't get it at all when I laugh at this stuff. It's so hard to explain this to them and I'm glad they're such little maple-leaf patriots and all. Maybe one day they'll understand; otherwise the Yanks are in a heap o' trouble from the next generation of fierce Canadians. The thing I don't understand is why the Canadians in South Park have those heads that are split in two, but then again, most of South Park doesn't make sense, and you always know who the Canadians are (like Kyle's adopted baby brother.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:31:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: travelogue is a grower njc --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Hi everyone! > > God, it was so hard finding travelogue in israel > (joni's right, the music biz sucks) but now that > i've got it and heard it i can say it's a real > grower in the sense that bit by bit you "forget" how > the original versions of the songs sounded like and > you begin listening to it as if those are the > original versions. what a lovely album. > Hey, Nuriel! Long time, no hear from! Stay in touch, eh? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bruce and Michael's remarks about the statue --- Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > Art by > committee is frightening. > A great artist must do the work and should have > creative reign to do so. I > think it's more about finding the artist than > designing the statue, folks. > The artist will do that, yes? Well said! NP - guess what? Downey's version of "River" - they've been playing this A LOT on CHUM_FM here in Toronto this season. (It's got cello on it; God I love the cello!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:36:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: travelogue bad reviews...? --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Did joni get bad reviews on travelogue? what did the > bastards had to say this time? Some bad, but most good (shocking, isn't it!) There's lot of items posted on www.jmdl.com and Les is updating this on a very regular basis. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:39:02 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 1974 NJC (was "That C&S song) --- Yael Harlap wrote: > ken wrote: > >It's all got me thinking about 1974 and I did some > research. > > > >Joni reached #7 In April with Help Me. > >Maria Muldaur reached #6 in March with Midnight at > the Oasis > >BUT > >Sister Janet Mead reached #4 in March with > (remember this?)The Lord's Prayer > > and i was born in july! > This is frightening. I could be your mother, but I don't like thinking about stuff like that! (I guess Sister Janet didn't make it in Canada, as I don't think I've ever heard her song.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:50:01 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hammerskins? - njc Anne writes: << I can't stand the thought of a group like this either, Bob, but I think allowing them to voice their opinion, as odious as it is, is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind. >> I agree. And I think that exposure to the ugliness of hatred and racism is more likely to repel than attract most people, so groups like this are often their own worst PR. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:50:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hammerskins? --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > Bob M (SCJoniGuy) wrote All kidding aside, this kind > of > sh*t makes me ashamed to live in a country built > on things like freedom of speech. Not what the > founding > fathers & mothers had in mind... > > I can't stand the thought of a group like this > either, > Bob, but I think allowing them to voice their > opinion, > as odious as it is, is exactly what the founding > fathers had in mind. The day we tell people what to > say > and think is the day we should really be ashamed. > (Of > course, a sharp legal mind might be able to > determine > how others' civil liberties are infringed upon by > this > gathering, but I leave that to a greater mind than > mine...) When Jimmy mentioned this, I thought it was a joke. It sounds like a parody. How do you parody something like that though? It's jaw-droppingly freaky. I guess no one's civil liberties are infringed upon by people gathering together and talking trash, no matter how vile that is to those of us who abhor that kind of thing; but if they're inciting people to commit hate-crimes, that's another story. Theoretically, your right to swing your arm ends when it makes contact with my face (or something like that), but do you wait for the contact? You don't want a society that's so hampered by fear of offending someone else that it just can't speak up - otherwise, you end up with art by committee and holiday trees instead of Christmas trees. On the other hand, this kind of stuff is so offensive it's really hard to believe that these people behave this way. It makes you wonder what kind of childhoods they had that they could hate any group of people with such a vengeance. To me, it's pretty obvious that this is the kind of stuff where the civil liberties of the ones they vilify take precedence over their right to spew their venom; on the other hand, if you try to make them shut up, you drive them underground, which is probably even more frightening - I'd rather have them out in the open where the rest of us can laugh at them and shed a little light on their nastiness. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:57:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC drawings from photos --- chuty001 wrote: > Some body sent me a copy of the photo I had drawn. > Nice photo that's why I > drew it. This is just to clarify the two images > labelled drawings which I > provided links to are drawn from photos. The one > labelled sketch was not. I never saw the original before Jim sent it, but it never occurred to me that it *wasn't* drawn from a photo, unless you were fortunate enough to have Joni sit for you. I think that a lot of people who aren't artists probably think that artists can just make this stuff up out of their heads. There may be a few who can. My ex- was an artist and he always used reference material especially for illustrations; sometimes he would copy it as is; other times, he would use several different pictures (usually photos) combined to get what he was looking for. He would often get in trouble because some of his illustrations looked TOO much like such-and-such a celebrity, in his boss's opinion. Unless you have a REAAAALLY good memory, it's almost impossible to draw most things without reference, which is why artists use models (not *just* because they like looking at naked people). ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:59:21 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG >>I believe Help Me got all the way to #2 on the Canadian charts.<< And what was number one when Help Me was number 2? And whatever happened to the artist(s) who had the number one? I'm thinking of the Ultravox hit 'Vienna' being kept off the number one spot by a dreadful 'novelty' song called "What's a matter you?" or some suchlike by someone called Joe Dolce or some suchlike. mike in barcelona np beth orton - Anywhere ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hammerskins? --- Catherine McKay wrote: > - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > Bob M (SCJoniGuy) > wrote Sorry - that should have been marked njc and I don't want to mark this one njc because the apology is to the njc-ers. Ironic. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG --- mike pritchard wrote: > And what was number one when Help Me was number 2? > And whatever happened to > the artist(s) who had the number one? I'm thinking > of the Ultravox hit > 'Vienna' being kept off the number one spot by a > dreadful 'novelty' song > called "What's a matter you?" or some suchlike by > someone called Joe Dolce or > some suchlike. Oh help. I remember that dreadful song. It goes to show you that you can never overestimate the taste of the masses. I'm sure it's all part of some plot to keep us all hopelessly stupid and to keep the best artists from getting number 1 hits. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: travelogue is a grower njc thanks, my dear lady. i promise i will. love, nuri - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Hi >everyone! >> >> God, it was so hard finding travelogue in israel >> (joni's right, the music biz sucks) but now that >> i've got it and heard it i can say it's a real >> grower in the sense that bit by bit you "forget" how >> the original versions of the songs sounded like and >> you begin listening to it as if those are the >> original versions. what a lovely album. >> > >Hey, Nuriel! Long time, no hear from! Stay in touch, >eh? > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:10:48 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: travelogue is a grower njc Nuriel, always good to see your name in the in bix - hope all is well!! Vince Nuriel Tobias wrote: >Hi everyone! > >God, it was so hard finding travelogue in israel (joni's right, the music biz sucks) but now that i've got it and heard it i can say it's a real grower in the sense that bit by bit you "forget" how the original versions of the songs sounded like and you begin listening to it as if those are the original versions. what a lovely album. > > >love, > >nuri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:21:49 EST From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: All I Want (Joni) Hello, All - Debra wrote: > I always think of Joni as the woman with the hole in her stocking, > dancing shoeless and with sensual abandon. She's so enamored and in the > moment of her new passion that something she'd normally fix now seems > trivial. There's a celebration going on! Didn't it feel good? Indeed. I agree! - I think this line in Help Me is just the flip side of the lyric in All I Want: "Alive, alive, I want to get up and jive I want to wreck my stockings in some jukebox dive Do you want - do you want - do you want To dance with me baby Do you want to take a chance On maybe finding some sweet romance with me baby Well, come on" Now *that's* passion! Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "It's coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees They're putting up reindeer And singing songs of joy and peace Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on But it don't snow here It stays pretty green..." ~ Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:22:49 -0500 From: vince Subject: hey friends Everyone, just a quick note and you all do not need to respond personally because I know what your response will be and that I will feel it -- my father is having rather unscheduled heart bypass surgery on Monday and as no one was expecting it I have to move my work schedule around so that I can be in Chicago by Sunday night, and of course my Dad is on the more anxious side -like I say, you don't been to respond personally, I know you will be all doing in your way some prayers for my father - Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:05:20 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Best movie of 2002 njc I was talking to someone at work who had just seen "Frida" and he said he thought it was the best movie of 2002. While I enjoyed it, I disagreed, but then I couldn't think of any that were better. (Of course, I can't even remember which videos I rented last week!) Any nominations for best movie of the year? Kerry NP - Crowded House - Fall at Your Feet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:01:32 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: re:Edgar Allen Poe Okay, I'll play... The Fall of the House of Harry A Cask of You Murders in the Rue Morgantown Edith and the Pendulum Sadly though, I think the Poe reference was merely another case of journalistic laziness. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:02:41 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Best movie of 2002 njc Sunshine State is way up on my list. Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kerry" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: Best movie of 2002 njc I was talking to someone at work who had just seen "Frida" and he said he thought it was the best movie of 2002. While I enjoyed it, I disagreed, but then I couldn't think of any that were better. (Of course, I can't even remember which videos I rented last week!) Any nominations for best movie of the year? Kerry NP - Crowded House - Fall at Your Feet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:11:41 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: thumbs down (tears remix) NJC In a message dated 12/7/02 9:02:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > It usually does make me feel better. It's like > catharsis. The problem was, I was driving at the time. > Driving with your eyes full of water - not good Catherine, I've ridden in the car with you when you *weren't* crying, and that was scary enough LOL (just kidding you sweetie, you were kind enough to give me a ride back to the hotel and none of us knew where in the hell we were)..........things like that make jonifests special Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:46:57 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Best movie of 2002 njc kerry wrote: > I was talking to someone at work who had just seen "Frida" and he said he > thought it was the best movie of 2002. While I enjoyed it, I disagreed, but > then I couldn't think of any that were better. (Of course, I can't even > remember which videos I rented last week!) > > Any nominations for best movie of the year? Frida would be mine. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:53:21 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Best movie of 2002 njc Kerry asks : > Any nominations for best movie of the year? > > I still haven't gone to the movies since that horrible experience I had when I saw "Planet of the Apes" last year. (or POTA for Catherine) :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:03:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG I love Help Me. It is the first Joni song I ever heard (cracked my musical world right open) and it remains one of my favorites (especially in combo with Court and Spark and Free Man - what a trio). The major 7th chords just slay me -- how perfectly they reflect the experience of falling in love - the risk you take letting someone you know that you're falling in love with them - wonderful and awful all at the same time. And she takes the big leap in the third verse -- after falling in love "again" and "too fast" -- I think I'm falling in love *with you*. sigh. Jenny mtotzke@gosympatico.ca wrote:Here I go again, writing about HELP ME. (I had used the "H" word as the "subject" and so those posts got bounced.) Anyone out there as big a fan of HM as I am? Delightfully perverse as she is, Joni has sort of "disowned" her only Top 10 hit, claiming it's an "ingenue" song. At the risk of incurring the wrath of our Joan, I don't think it IS that. The woman of HP has been around the block a few times; and I'd love to hear the mature Joni tackle it (shades of "Falling in love again / Never wanted to..."). I think it's a brilliant song: short, pithy, economical, universal, lighter than air. And "'Cause I've seen some hot hot blazes / Come down to smoke and ash" gets me every time. If she ever does do an album with her excellent jazz combo (pretty please, Joni?), wouldn't SMOKE AND ASH be an apt title? MICHAEL in Toronto Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:23:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Travelogue - Wow! stephen >>Her more 'hushed' version of ' Woodstock' is really growing on me and the more I listen to 'For The Roses' the more I can here the melody coming through and the ending really is worth waiting for. >> eric>>That is my experience as well. It took a good five listens to finally begin to fathom the depth of these two songs. I'm sure they are the reason Rolling Stone called Travelogue "strange."<< i absolutely loved both of these songs from the first listen...because to me they create such a new (current) emotional interpretation of a past event or feeling......the wintry vibe of for the roses on t'log as opposed to the original summer one...wow... i can understand people just not liking certain arrangements, as some have mentioned here, for musical reasons but when someone who is in a position to review a peice of work in a major mag uses the word 'strange' it sends up a red flag for me about the critics musical ear & capabilities... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #551 JMDL Digest Saturday, December 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 551 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: smokin ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: confused njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni's smoking [Catherine McKay ] Re: Reviews of Joni - In General - Travelogue specifically [Catherine McK] Re: THAT C&S SONG NJC now [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: re:Edgar Allen Poe ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Gregg Cagno's Holiday CD - "River" cover! - now with njc! ["Mark or T] Poe stories [Little Bird ] Re: Poe stories NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: THAT C&S SONG [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: THAT C&S SONG [Little Bird ] Joni in the park ["michael o'malley" ] Re: THAT C&S SONG [KJHSF@aol.com] That C & S song [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: Subject: Travelogue - Wow! [Eric W Taylor ] Re: Dylan and joni: Idiot Wind [Randy Remote ] Re: Travelogue - thumbs down I'm afraid [Randy Remote ] Re: THAT C&S SONG [dsk ] Re: Lady with the hole in her stocking [dsk ] Today in History: December 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: My ideas on Joni's statue [dsk ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:00:06 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: smokin > It's true a statue of Jimi Hendrix probably would show him with a guitar, > not a needle stuck in his arm to remind future generations of his addiction. There is one on Broadway in Seattle. He's kneeling with the neck of his guitar sticking straight up. It's very dramatic. Mark E in Seattle - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:01:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: confused njc --- colin wrote: > > On a more seroious note, i understand the pain > casued to people who have > to watch people they love be very ill and or die. > Like I said, john's sister has lung cancer and > emphysema. She has never > smoked. Who do we blame? there has to be someone or > something at fault. > Her 28 yr old son, is in remission for the 2nd time > from stomach cancer. > doesn't smoke. but something or someone must be to > blame. > Smoking isn't the only cause of lung cancer and emphysema; but it is certainly *a* cause. There can be other factors. There seems to be evidence that some types of cancers may arise from a virus. Still others are linked to environment and pollution, particularly PCBs. Then again, there are possible genetic factors. There are still too many unknowns about cancer, but most people who get lung cancer are smokers. My mother had breast cancer. I don't know if there's a link between smoking and breast cancer, but her cancer did move into her lungs and her bones. This is not a pretty way to die and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's very horrible to see a loved one growing weaker and in pain and not being able to do much about it except increase the morphine. Then there's the old quality of life issue. Many people who smoke live to a very old age, but to hear them coughing and wheezing it doesn't seem they could possibly enjoy life much. My sister and her husband smoke like freakin' chimneys. I can't even stay in their house for more than an hour without getting a headache and sinus problems. I love my sister dearly but I wish to God she would quit. I stayed overnight in their house once and you hear my brother-in-law in the morning sounding like he's coughing up a lung. I can't stay in their house anymore and if I tell them why, they'll think I'm some kind of crank. (I am, but that's not the point; so are they, because they don't like their rights as smokers being infringed on either!) I used to smoke and I know it's hard to quit. I quit 18 years ago. There are times I still wish I could have just that one or two cigarettes a day that I enjoyed most of the 20-or-so that I would smoke every day. But I know I can't have just one, and I'm sure it would make me sick now anyway; it's just the thought of it and the feel of it in my hand... Like anything else, it's the decision of the individual. you can't make someone quit. First they have to want to and that's a decision they must reach on their own. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:03:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni's smoking --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Saskatoon gets cold in winter. > > You know, this has already crossed my mind. How > warm does it get in > summer? Will Joni be overdressed, or underdressed? > > And about the depiction of her age ... I suppose she could dress in layers, so you could take things off when it got hot! I wonder if there's a "layer" thing for age? (Peel off the wrinkles to reveal the young you underneath - wouldn't that be nice!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:20:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Reviews of Joni - In General - Travelogue specifically --- ATaublib@aol.com wrote: > Firstly, I'm new member to this list, so if I'm not > following protocol please > be gentle, I will learn quickly. > > Secondly, and most importantly, I have found after > listening to Joni's works > for these past 30+ years: never judge her work > before listening multiple > times. Like all fine works of art, it takes time to > truly appreciate, and > like fine wine only gets better with age. That's exactly it and that's the problem with reviews. I'm sure the reviewers don't have the luxury of listening to new items at their leisure, so first impressions are it for them. They're on deadline or they've got too many other things to listen to. I often find that the stuff I like on first listen gets old very quickly, whereas other pieces grow on me with time. With Joni, I find I have to listen many times (and most of the time I want to ;). I also find that I have to really focus and listen - Joni isn't background music. I can also listen to her twenty or thirty years after I first heard a particular song or album and still find something fresh and new in it. I can't say the same about too many other artists that I loved thirty years ago. (By the way, welcome to the list.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:23:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG NJC now In a message dated 12/06/2002 11:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, KJHSF writes: > ! I have to admit, it still sends shivers down my spine simply because of > the personal stuff I was trying to cope with at the time. It has nothing > to do with the song itself, of course. Oh, I understand that Ken,,,I thank you for sharing and I'm so sorry for your loss. Something you never just "get over" I suppose. > I'm amazed that you were able to access that particular era of top 40 so > perfectly. I'm thinking it was in the late winter/early spring of that > year--1974? Yes...it's a very specific memory. > > Of course, these days, when I think of Midnight at the Oasis, I think about > Catherine O'hara and Fred Willard's performance of it in the audition > segment of Waiting For Guffman-if you haven't seen this film, run, don't > walk to a video rental store--it's priceless! Oh gawd yes!! My lifelong Pally sent me a copy of this video, and it is so fecking brilliant!!! As a longtime vet of community theatre, this seemed almost like a documentary! :~) Bob - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:40:39 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: re:Edgar Allen Poe <> Good catch Mark! Also, could "The Beat of Black Wings" be a reference also? Where are all you Poe experts? I can't remember anything by Poe other than the Raven and the Pit and the Pendulum. Maybe I need to go back to grade school like the record execs should. Mia NPIMH: The Raven -APP _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:42:39 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Gregg Cagno's Holiday CD - "River" cover! - now with njc! > << That being said...Barry was pretty good in his day. He had a number of great > tunes, PLUS he did play piano for what famous bathhouse singer? Your cue, > Murphy... >> > > Um, ah . . . don't tell me, I know this one . . . > > Was it . . . > > Bette Midler? Yes indeed it was! And some of us (though we love the old broad dearly) will never forgive her for unleashing that particular beast on an unsuspecting world! The Divine Mr. M. in Seattle - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:51:31 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Poe stories Two of his most creepy tales (and they're all creepy) are The Telltale Heart and The House of Usher. The Telltale Heart is about a man who commits murder and buries his victim under the floor but the sound of a beating heart in his head, which gets repeatedly louder and louder, drives him insane with guilt and he eventually goes completely mad, unable to stop the beating sound in his mind. Another is The House of Usher about a very creepy brother and sister living in a huge mansion. I believe the sister is blind. I forget how the story goes but in the end the house crumbles to the ground under the weight of enormous evil and untold secrets. I'd have to read these stories again to search for possible Joni fodder. Then there was his poetry...the man was quite prolific. - - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:54:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe stories NJC Yes indeed, I was thinking about the Telltale Heart as well...and the Masque of the Red Death. Very creepy. As a fan of the macabre, I LOVE me some Poe. Bob - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:57:54 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG It's all got me thinking about 1974 and I did some research. Joni reached #7 In April with Help Me. Maria Muldaur reached #6 in March with Midnight at the Oasis BUT Sister Janet Mead reached #4 in March with (remember this?)The Lord's Prayer LOL Ken P.S. Popcorn was nowhere to be seen :( - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG I believe Help Me got all the way to #2 on the Canadian charts. - - -Andrew - - --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > It's all got me thinking about 1974 and I did some > research. > > Joni reached #7 In April with Help Me. > Maria Muldaur reached #6 in March with Midnight at > the Oasis > BUT > Sister Janet Mead reached #4 in March with (remember > this?)The Lord's Prayer > > LOL > Ken > P.S. Popcorn was nowhere to be seen :( Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:05:13 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni in the park I think we should get Anjelica Huston's husband, Robert Graham, to do the statue. They are both close friends of Joni's, and Graham is one of the great Mexican/American sculptors working today. He has done several memorials, including ones for FDR and Duke Ellington. He's doing the new doors for the LA cathedral. I just don't want to see some artist's well-intended attempt to portray Joni. I think it must be very beautiful, since Joni is UQOMB!. Her expression and likeness are difficult to catch - and a less talented artist could ending up creating an embarassingly bad cartoon. We need to work on Anjelica for this one! Michael in Quebec - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:30:10 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG In a message dated 12/7/2002 12:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > I believe Help Me got all the way to #2 on the > Canadian charts. > > That's becuase you Canadians have style and taste. Ken - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:57:23 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: That C & S song Even though HM was Joni's big radio hit it still stands up as an amazing song..I think it perfectly describes the feelin most people have when they are embarking on a new romance..The line "hopin for the future and worryin bout the past" wow! Says it all right there...I love C & S cant get enough.. P.S Joni has a cool article/interview in the new Rolling Stone and this time it was done by David Wild, who in my opinion treats Joni with respect and comes off soundin like a fan who feels honored to interview one of his idols..She looks fierce in the photo, im assuming thats her backyard,whatta beauty..Lookin relaxed and content..Have a great weekend y'all :) - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:23:04 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: Subject: Travelogue - Wow! Stephen Toogood wrote: << Her more 'hushed' version of ' Woodstock' is really growing on me and the more I listen to 'For The Roses' the more I can here the melody coming through and the ending really is worth waiting for. >> That is my experience as well. It took a good five listens to finally begin to fathom the depth of these two songs. I'm sure they are the reason Rolling Stone called Travelogue "strange." I've been listenings to T at least once a day for ten days and appreciate it more each time! There isn't a weak song on it and I'm ready to say that it's my #1 fave Joni has ever released. Sorry if I've offended anyone with my passionate love for all things Joni. It's just that the woman never ceases to overwhelm me with her unparalleled artistry!!! This album deserves at least five Grammy's. ET NP: Richard (T) WOW!!! - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:25:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dylan and joni: Idiot Wind I had heard it was about Roger McGuinn; the reference to "Chestnut Mare" (one of his songs) would seem to bear this out. RR Patti Witten wrote: > Someone once told me that Dylan''s "Idiot Wind" (1975, Blood On The Tracks) > was about Joni. My apologies if this has already been covered. > > > I woke up on the roadside, daydreamin' 'bout the way things sometimes are > > Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are makin' me see > > stars. > > You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies. > > One day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzin' around your eyes, > > Blood on your saddle. > > Not very flattering! Is it a "true" legend? > > here's the rest of the lyric > http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/idiot.html - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:28:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Travelogue - thumbs down I'm afraid Have you ever taken a few bites of food, and said "uh...no thanks...." ? Would eating more of it make you like it better? Eric W Taylor wrote: I always love it when a critical reviewer pans an album > admittedly before listening to the first half of it. - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:47:13 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Lady with the hole in her stocking I always thought this line refered to a funny experience that she was lookin back on...Like "oh honey, remember that time we were at that club and that lady asked you to dance and she had all those runs in her stocking"..Thats what I always think of when I hear that line...Peace again ***kevin**** - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:14:04 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: thumbs down (tears remix) Catherine in Toronto wrote: << If I'm in a particularly depressed mood and listen to Travelogue, I just end up crying my eyes out anyway, so listening to it a lot probably ain't a good idea. Not that it's depressing, but I do find it emotionally draining when I'm feeling weak. >> Funny, when Joni's music makes me cry I always feel SO much better. It's like creatively understanding the root of one's sadness. I usually feel energized when hearing the demons of despair being told off so beautifully! ET NP: Borderline (T) ~ SO TRUE! PS. ;~D - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:26:30 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG Adam Mulvey wrote: > > I always thought it was "hard hard places!" Ignorant I am. But why is it > so great? It's the "smoke and ash". She just sounds so *passionate* about > it - bitter, but passionate - "I've seen a few things, and I've seen a few > dreams gone sour, and I've had to accept it; but man, it churns me up > inside". And I thought it was just me that was so enraptured by this bit of > the song! Help Me is a fantastic song! I remember being thrilled every time it came on the radio, which was often, at least once an hour, and as soon as I heard the guitar intro I always had to stop whatever I was doing and listen to the whole song. Anyone with me had to listen, too, or at least not talk to me until the song was over. I think of it as Joni's theme song, the thrill of romance, love, sex, the hopefulness at the beginning, the worry about loss of independence. And even with all the worry and all the smoke and ash history, she's going to do it again, can't stop herself. I find that very inspiring. What a wonderful song! Debra Shea - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:38:59 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Lady with the hole in her stocking Cactustree78@aol.com wrote: > > I always thought this line refered to a funny experience that she was lookin back on...Like "oh honey, remember that time we were at that club and that lady asked you to dance and she had all those runs in her stocking"..Thats what I always think of when I hear that line... I always think of Joni as the woman with the hole in her stocking, dancing shoeless and with sensual abandon. She's so enamored and in the moment of her new passion that something she'd normally fix now seems trivial. There's a celebration going on! Didn't it feel good? Indeed. Debra Shea - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:39:57 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 7 1975: The Rolling Thunder Review, including Joni, performed at the Correctional Institution for Women at Clinton, New Jersey. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=299 - - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:39:57 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 7 On December 7 the following item was published: 1974: "...and now it's Our Lady of Optimism" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=452 - - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:55:19 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: My ideas on Joni's statue George Segal's "people" always have such a sense of loneliness about them, so imagining Joni as a Segal sculpture is an interesting idea. For all her sociability, she does have a reclusive side. Duane Hanson is still around, and he not only shows the warts, he glorifies them. He'd happily include cigs for a Joni sculpture, and probably have one continuously blowing smoke rings. http://museum.oglethorpe.edu/Hanson.htm Maybe a little too realistic? :-) Debra Shea Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Too bad sculptor George Segal is no longer alive. I'm sure he would have > loved to tackle this project. > > Jerry - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #551 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #552 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)