From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #547 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, December 6 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 547 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni(njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni(njc) [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:34:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni(njc) If the statue is one of Joni playing an instrument, well, I've never seen her do that and smoke at the same time. If the statue is one of her smoking, it will be the first cigarette that does not pollute the air or degrade the health of the smoker. But supposing someone comes across the statue who doesn't know who Joni is. They might think, oh, a statue to promote smoking. Come to think of it, get RJ Reynolds to pay for it! RR Victor Johnson wrote: > In fact, > > for some reason people who barely know me often ask me if I want a > > cigarette, or if I've just stopped smoking. (Yes, when I was 18.) > > Apparently there's something about me that suggests to them that I > > should be puffing away ... > > Maybe they have a romantized image of you puffing away...like James Dean in > an old black and white movie. I do sense that there is somewhat of an > allure to lighting up and smoking. Even the hobbits in Tolkien have a love > for smoking tobacco(speaking of which I wonder if they'll allude to that at > all in the next movie coming up.) I wonder if that was always true of > cigarette smoking...how was it thought of in the very beginning when the > first cigarette was smoked. Was it always fashionable or was that > something that has slowly developed over the years? And I wonder if as > anti smoking sentiments grow stronger and more widespread, if the romantic > image of smoking will just grow stronger as well? > > Victor in Asheville(who actually spends half of his time in Atlanta these > days) > > NP: Nick Drake "Saturday Sun" > > --- Victor Johnson > --- waytoblu@mindspring.com > Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 > Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:47:35 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni(njc) Randy, I kind of like this idea, too - get the maker of American Spirits to chip in for all the free publicity she has given them! Then again, they'd probably want a little brass plaque with their name on it as a "benefactor" in exchange and we'd be back to square one ;-) Kakki > Come to think of it, get RJ Reynolds to pay for it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:58:38 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni(njc) Oh well...every sports stadium is named after a corporate sponsor these days. It could be called the American Spirit Memorial Statue or something. kakki wrote: > Randy, > > I kind of like this idea, too - get the maker of American Spirits to chip in > for all the free publicity she has given them! Then again, they'd probably > want a little brass plaque with their name on it as a "benefactor" in > exchange and we'd be back to square one ;-) > > Kakki > > > Come to think of it, get RJ Reynolds to pay for it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:04:54 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Re: J. Armatrading/Barry White NJC Hopefully you will accept a "sorry" from me. Bottom line- I wrote something you found offensive. I'm sorry and hopefully you will believe that it was NOT intentional. Peace, Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:08:40 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Joni's statue and smoking NJC Just WAY TOO MUCh talk about smoking here! Stephen in Vancouver smoke free for over 2 weeks after 30 years! Quoting Sarah Gibb : > Hey Colin, I'm not having a go at you here, and I don't want to > prolong the smoking thread unnecessarily, but I can't not respond to > your comment that smoking doesn't cause disease in most smokers. > Long term smokers who don't become ill are the lucky ones, and you're > right that it's probably a genetic issue that protects them. > Scientists, supported (of course) by the tobacco companies, and > experimenting (of course) on animals who would otherwise never smoke, > are currently trying to find out what that is. That aside, smoking > causes serious illness in almost all long term smokers, and some > short term smokers. Lung damage is not reversible. But smokers > rationalize the damage away. They can't do sport easily/can't climb > stairs easily, so they tell themselves they must lose weight/go to > the gym. When they develop the cough, they call it "smokers' cough", > when they should be calling it lung damage. Smoking and obesity are > two of the major causes of death in North America. We don't think > it's cool when people eat themselves to death, and we wouldn't think > it respectful to build a statue of Elvis Presley holding burgers and > pies in his hands, even though eating was as much his trademark at > the end of his life as smoking is Joni Mitchell's. > > COPD (smokers' disease - bronchitis and emphysema) is the fourth > leading cause of death in America. In 2000, 10 million people were > listed as having been diagnosed with COPD, 1.5 million visited an > emergency room because of it, 726,000 were hospitalized with it, and > 119,000 died from it. Another 14 million Americans are believed to > suffer from COPD undiagnosed. Death rates are an underestimate > because many death certificates will say "heart attack" or "old age", > and won't bother to mention the lung damage that caused the heart to > stop. > > I don't buy the choice thing, because most people start smoking when > they're teenagers, and by the time they realize the damage they're > doing, they're addicted and their choice is massively reduced. > > I agree with what you say about other types of air pollution. > > Okay, I'm off my soapbox now. As I said earlier, when you've worked > as a smoking cessation counselor and have seen the terrible things > people have done to themselves, and how they long not to have done > them, you can't let myths about smoking just pass on by. > > No offence intended to you personally. > > Best, > > Sarah > > > At 12:09 AM +0000 12/06/2002, colin wrote: > > > >very sad and very unlucky people. smoking does not casue disease in > >all people who smoke, not even in most of them. > >My partner's sister is 60 and she is dying from lung cancer and > >emphysema. she has never smoked. > >One would be a fool to pretend that smoking is good for one, but > >there is so much scare mongering and exaggeration surrounding the > >smoking issue. > >Both sides of my faimly are very long lived-80's and 90's and most > >smoke. Those that have died young, an aunt from cancer, and uncle > >from pneumonia, another form a stroke, did not ever smoke. Of course > >this does not eman that the long lived ones are kept alive by > >smoking. it does imply that our diseases are much more controlled by > >genes than anything else. > > > >on tv tonight they were showing filters used to measure the air in > >London, the filters were covered in black soot-as are thelungs of > >those who live and breathe there. The air we breathe, the > >chemicals/poisons in our foods and water are all ignored and smoking > >is made the scapegoat. > > > >Howver, smoking is not a good thing to do, butit really is time > >people minded their own business and live and let live. the > >pullution angle is really crap. these same people do not rant about > >the car they drive or the plane they catch etc. In this modern > >world, people are just too plain nosey! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:00:19 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 6 1995: Joni received the Billboard Century Award - their highest honor for creative achievement - broadcast live on Fox-TV from New York's Coliseum. Past winners of the Billboard Century Award include George Harrison, Buddy Guy, and Billy Joel. The award has been presented annually since 1992 to an artist to acknowledge the uncommon excellence of a still-unfolding body of work. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:00:19 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 6 On December 6 the following item was published: 1988: "Famed Jazz Musician's Killer Sentenced to 21 Months in Jail" - Miami Herald (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=929 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:01:03 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy/"Both Sides Now" ... 2002 model "Mary E. Pitassi" writes: >Bryan wrote: >"Having just read the W interview in full...please let's clarify: Joni >didn't swipe at Judy, she swiped at Judy's too-sweet, sing-songy arrangement of >BSN. As for "ripping off"...please! Joni's career was in large part launched >by the covers that Judy and others did. That's certainly not a rip-off." > >Me now: I agree with Bryan that Joni's career got a huge jump-start thanks >to the covers done by Judy Collins, Tom Rush, the late Dave Van Ronk and others >in the mid-sixties. Judy, as the most commercially successful of this >initial group, perhaps deserves the most heartfelt "thank you" from Joni fans. It's safe to say that without Judy's version paving the way, the history of Joni Mitchell would be very different, very possibly not as sweet. My own entry to Joni was through Judy's beautiful Wildflowers album, with "Both Sides Now" and, especially, "Michael From Mountains." Not to mention (but I will) Judy's own equally beautiful "Since I've Asked," plus wonderful versions of Leonard Cohen's "Sisters Of Mercy" and "Hey, That's No Way To Say Good-bye" (Judy was also my entry to Cohen). In my view, this is still one of the essential core albums of all time. Judy's version of BSN was more mainstream pop, which in those days did not mean The Doors' version of "Light My Fire" but, rather, Jose Feliciano's. And because it was pitched right down the middle of that plate it hit big. Joni's version would not have had similar success if it were mainstream culture's first exposure to the song. For that alone Joni should be grateful to Judy. But all that aside, did anyone here other than me hear Judy's current version, which is as different from her own earlier take as it is from any of Joni's? She sang it on the PBS special, American Soundtrack: This Land is Your Land, currently airing (and re-airing several times for pledge week), and it's fantastic. Taped last May, Judy sounds as great as she ever did (which is a little more hit and miss to my ears these days), and her 2002 model BSN swings like no other, using asymmetrical meter and phrase-length in the arrangement, and a quite elastic (in time, not pitch ... her intonation is right on) vocal delivery. Buoyant, celebratory ... eminently life-affirming. By all means, catch the show if it comes your way. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:23:58 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Usama's Beard & the Big Boobed Blonde Tonight I played Travelogue for an old friend who doesn't like post-Hejira Joni. Laurel flipped over the packaging, particularly the paintings of 9/11, George W vs the evil witch & Usama straddled by a flashing big boobed blonde! We agreed that the world REALLY needs this war poster of Usama straddled by a flashing big boobed blonde!!! We also discussed what Usama's beard looks like in this painting but I will leave that up to your sick imaginations..... I played her Richard first & then all of the other songs she likes. The slower pace obviously frustrated her a little. But she agreed that Chinese Cafe was the by far the best Joni has ever sounded. She commented on the dirge sound of Woodstock so I skipped to Slouching & turned it up real loud. Laurel finally LOVED this song which I've been telling her is a masterpiece since 1991. She started dancing which is always good. We again looked at the paintings of 9/11, George W vs the evil witch & Usama straddled by a flashing big boobed blonde listening to the climax of Slouching. Quite a profound experience! I highly recommend it. How do you stop? 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