From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #542 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 542 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: new Joni DVD [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc [Randy Remote ] (njc) A "funny" from FSTV ["Lori Fye" ] overseas TV ad [Thomas Ross ] I'm back! ["Stephen Toogood" ] How to become a famous artist - URGENT! [Les Irvin ] Re: (njc) Free Speech TV [Susan Guzzi ] Covers #35, Santa's got a brand new bag! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni sings Broadway? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] now Willem Dafoe njc [vince ] Re: Joni sings Broadway? ["Victor Johnson" ] Beside Herself - statue of Joni [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni ["Lori Fye" ] What kind of animal are you (very NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: new Joni DVD ["kakki" ] Second Strings Project [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc ["kakki" ] Joni Bob ETC..... ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni [Sarah Gibb ] Re: "Emotional correctness" (NJC) ["kakki" ] new Joni DVD ["Kate Bennett" ] Looking for early unreleased Joni music [Doug ] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni [colin ] sexy ugly njc [colin ] RE: Beside Herself - statue of Joni (now derailed and NJC) ["Chris Marsha] discussion opener [vince ] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni [vince ] Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni [Sarah Gibb ] Re: new Joni DVD [Randy Remote ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #373 [StDoherty@aol.com] NJC don't smoke the statue ["chuty001" ] NJC white sox fans ["chuty001" ] Re: new Joni DVD ["kakki" ] Re: Goldie's "Carey" [Michael Paz ] Re: Drawing [Michael Paz ] NJC Re: Drawing [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Looking for early unreleased Joni music [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re-discussion opener [Doug ] Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC ["William Chavez" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:33:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: new Joni DVD SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:58:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > > > Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of 11 chapters are entitled: > > Woodstock, Joni. > > I couldn't find it at Amazon, has anybody seen it yet and > > could tell us > > whether this is any good? > > Laurent, this is the Henry Diltz CD-rom that's been discussed here from time to time. I haven't seen it, I think it was Randy who saw it and said the Joni bits were pretty cool. I haven't seen the CD-rom (Kakki?) but I did see the televised version of it a year or two ago. Diltz was the insider photog who hung with CSN&Y and the LA gang. The program is excellent if you are into that late 60's scene. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:37:02 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc Really? I thought he was a first rate Jesus, complex and tortured. Maybe not the textbook image of JC, but one of my favorite flicks, and a hell of a performance (no pun intended). Now that movie he did with Madonna was excrement. RR Kate Bennett wrote: > he is very good, otherwise he wouldn't be so scary...but i could never > believe him as a credible jesus in Last Temptation of Christ... > > >>Wilam Defoe is seriously one of my favorite actors, and the first person > on > my list of "sexy ugly" I love him......he's a tough sell to other people, > most people do think he's scary, there's just something about him.... > erica > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com > Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs > Over the Moon- > "bringing the melancholy world of twilight > to life almost like magic" All Music Guide > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:48:36 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc I like it better when a "no-name" actor plays a role such as Jesus, otherwise it's more difficult for me to get into the movie. I just kept seeing Wilam Defoe playing Jesus, not to take away from his acting, I think he's incredible.... Erica randy wrote: Really? I thought he was a first rate Jesus, complex and tortured. Maybe not the textbook image of JC, but one of my favorite flicks, and a hell of a performance (no pun intended). Now that movie he did with Madonna was excrement. RR Kate Bennett wrote: > he is very good, otherwise he wouldn't be so scary...but i could never > believe him as a credible jesus in Last Temptation of Christ... > > >>Wilam Defoe is seriously one of my favorite actors, and the first person > on > my list of "sexy ugly" I love him......he's a tough sell to other people, > most people do think he's scary, there's just something about him.... > erica > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:49:38 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (njc) Free Speech TV > Too often in our society the invisible lesbian stays in the back > ground, just not to make waves and tries to appease everyone. Quite true, Susan! Speaking of making waves, who else has seen "Dyke TV" on FSTV (Free Speech TV)? It's part of the Community Works series, and it's very good, albeit not very "polished." FSTV is apparently available only via the Dish Network, channel 9415, although the website mentions some internet streaming as well. More info here: http://www.fstv.org/ Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:52:05 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (njc) A "funny" from FSTV http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/html/comic_strip_18.shtml Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:52:12 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: overseas TV ad 'Comin' Down Xmas' sung by male, nice voice. A heart-twanger perhaps for the wrong reasons: pay us to reach our men overseas . . have you seen/heard it? anyway the original is a killer. I actually have skated away on Monument Creek in my hometown, Colorado Springs. Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:02:36 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: I'm back! Hi guys, Steve here, I had to leave the list a couple of months ago when I moved out but I'm back now (yay) thanks to Chris Marshall. Such a great guy. Hope some of you remember me! I am so into Trav. Every song on it is listenable and some I would say I prefer than the originals. She's done it again. I hope she doesn't mean it when she says she isn't making another album. I bet you've all given your thoughts on the new album but if you'd like to give them again... Oh and isn't the art-work stuning? So what have I missed? STEVE T (amelio747) N.P: 'Hejira' (Trav vers) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:04:55 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: How to become a famous artist - URGENT! Hey artists! Where are you all??? There is an opportunity sitting on a silver platter in front of you and no one has responded! Right now, today, this minute... the Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself committee needs an artist to help design a poster that will be plastered all over North America (well, maybe not ALL over...) promoting the campaign to raise funds for the statue. Ultimately, there's a good chance that this artist will, in turn, help design the actual statue. If you are remotely interested, please at least send a link to some of your artwork - any of your artwork - to this address . It need not be Joni-related right now, we just want to see a representation of what you can do. Please do it now as this opportunity is quickly slipping away. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: (njc) Free Speech TV Hi Lori, Thanks I was afraid they'd be bringing out the hammers and the boards and the nails for me! LOL! Looked at the comic strip you sent as well. Ah ... I guess I will be buying a special pair of "flight" pants for my trip to fest this year! lol! It was very funny AND scary! I am afraid we are going into an entanglement that we will never be able to unwind out of - at least in our lifetime. Beginning to think you may be right Lori, least I think it was you. We may be present for the big ending! All things must pass .... Peace, Susan - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Too often in our society the invisible lesbian stays in the back > > ground, just not to make waves and tries to appease everyone. > > Quite true, Susan! > > Speaking of making waves, who else has seen "Dyke TV" on FSTV (Free > Speech TV)? It's part of the Community Works series, and it's very > good, albeit not very "polished." > > FSTV is apparently available only via the Dish Network, channel 9415, > although the website mentions some internet streaming as well. > > More info here: http://www.fstv.org/ > > Lori > > ~ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:02:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #35, Santa's got a brand new bag! OK, so I'm late with announcing this month's JMDL tribute cd, #35 in the (n)ever-popular series...but here's the rundown. First, let me thank those kind souls who helped me round up these recordings: Pearl Weisberg David Lahm My kid sister, Chris (not a JMDL'er but a real pal nonetheless!) Now, on to the tunes: Jonathon King - Free Man In Paris: Most famous for his hit "Everyone's Gone to the Moon", sounds like Davey Jones from The Monkees. The Yale Spizzwinks - The Circle Game: Very pretty male acapella chorus from the early 70's. Brad Swanson - Both Sides Now: Ya just gotta love this roller rink version! It is the cheesiest ever but I LOVE it, reminds me of a Lowrie Genie commercial. Madeline MacNeil - Michael From Mountains: Her Urge For Going was on an earlier volume, I'm not crazy about her vocal but her hammer dulcimer playing is very nice. Ted Lehman - Woodstock/Big Yellow Taxi: This is great live bar-brand rock and roll! The girl singing Woodstock sounds like Janis, so if you ever wondered what a Janis cover of a Joni tune would sound like, you gotta check this out. Oddly enough, the BYT sounds very different. Anyway, this is a great 10-minute plus epic opus. Jo Collins - Carey: From Ireland, this one a touch of Celtic in it...very pretty. The Allan Sisters - Both Sides Now: Remember The Allan Sisters? Me neither. Gini & Dr. Joe - Tin Angel: Gini is a NY cabaret singer. Again, I'm not too keen on the vocal, but I love the fact that they tackle such a lesser-done song, and the piano accompaniment is fine. Eric van Aro - Nathan La Franeer: This one's just out this year, again an obscure song, and a very different interpretation. Leora Cashe - I Don't Know Where I Stand: GREAT jazz version! And you can hear it at: http://www.leoracashe.com/ The Dutch Canadian Choir of Calgary - Both Sides Now: It's Dutch! It's Canadian! It's 2...2...two countries in 1! Eddie From Ohio - Big Yellow Taxi: Another JMDL-only treat! From a live recording, unreleased from this Virginia group. Mimi Fox - Joni Mitchell Medley: Man Oh Man!! You acoustic guitarists (and everyone else I would think) would love this one, as Mimi plucks her way through a gorgeously executed medley of Blue, All I Want, Woodstock...this one's a real gem. Jerry Granelli/Jamie Saft - Rainy Night House: From another 2002 release, this is a very dark version...but then again RNH is sort of a dark song. Nina - Both Sides Now: Ever heard of Nina? Me neither, but at least she's a pretty Scandinavian! Lesley Olsher - Little Green: Lesley is actually a cousin (?) of our own Laurent. While I like the instrumentation here, the vocal gets really helium-like, making it hard to fully enjoy. Laura Canoura - La Ultima Vez Que Vi A Richard: If there's another Uraguayan Joni cover, I don't know of it. This one is pretty nice, Laura gives it a very dramatic reading. Doogie White - This Flight Tonight: From the Nazareth Tribute cd! Doesn't sound much different from the other metal TFT covers. Caterina Valente - Both Sides Now: A pretty version...interesting bit o' Joni cover trivia, Caterina's son is none other than Eric van Aro, the singer of track # 9. So that's this month's issue...a mixed bag, like all of them. Bob NP: Shawn, "Polaroids" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? My best guess: When researching for the article, a word search on "impossible dream" returned Joni as a singer because of "Impossible Dreamer". What do I win? Lama > This appeared in today's NY Post: > IT'S the most famous song from "Man of La Mancha" > and arguably one of the > most famous ever written. > > It's earned a few million in royalties, and has been > recorded and > interpreted by a wide array of performers: Frank > Sinatra (anthem), Joni > Mitchell (folk), Andre Kostelanetz (Muzak), Robert > Goulet (lounge), Jim > Nabors (bad). > Anyone know anything about this? It's a typo, right? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:32:42 -0500 From: vince Subject: now Willem Dafoe njc Willem Dafoe was superb in Scorsese's film of Kazantzakis Last Temptation of Christ, I thought, just excellent. And it was a great movie too and a very important book. Dafoe was at the heart of the Jesus in Kazantzakis' book, and I thought a very gutsy performance. Just my opinion. Vince Randy Remote wrote: >I thought [Willem Dafoe] was a first rate Jesus, complex and tortured. >Maybe not the textbook image of JC, but one of my favorite >flicks, and a hell of a performance (no pun intended). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:43:5 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? > My best guess: When researching for the article, a > word search on "impossible dream" returned Joni as a > singer because of "Impossible Dreamer". What do I > win? > > Lama a herd of alpacas??? Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:43:12 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Beside Herself - statue of Joni Gordon, when Joni was interivewed, she said she wanted to see a lifelike statue, as she's been caricatured/interpreted so often. So we thought we'd go with that. I think if there already was a lifelike statue of her here in Saskatoon, it might be fun to raise money for something more adventurous. But given that there isn't, and that she started her career here, I think we need something likelike so everyone can clearly see it's her. I was thinking of something tranquil, where people could sit and gather their thoughts - - near the river underneath a weeping willow or something. Don't know whether that will be possible as a lot lies with the city council, what they will allow, and how much money we can raise. Joni said she'd like to see a park bench with a figure of herself at one end of it, so that people can sit next to her. Someone else on the list said this kind of thing had been done too often, but we don't have one in Saskatoon. But it's early days yet - we still need to raise the money. I'm from Glasgow myself originally, Gordon. :-) >Sarah Gibb >How to donate to The Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself Fund The name of the bank account is Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, and it's with the CIBC, Main Branch, Saskatoon. >To transfer funds from outside Canada, the bank reference number is >00018-010-4220439. The first five digits are the transit number, >the second three are the sort code, and the last seven are the >account number. The name of the account is Joni Mitchell's Beside >Herself, and it's with the CIBC, Main Branch, Saskatoon. > >For those inside Canada, go to any CIBC branch and ask to transfer >money to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, CIBC, Main Branch, >Saskatoon. > >You can also send a check or money order in any currency from any >country made payable to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself to: > >Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself >CIBC >201-21st Street East >Saskatoon, SK >S7K 0B8 >Canada THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT! >Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:10:36 +0000 >From: Gordon Mackie >Subject: Stauesque Joni > >Dear all > >I am wondering about the style of the statue ...will it be a literal, >lifelike representation or will it be something more adventurous.It >will probably be really avant garde.....a statement of the new...I >can see it already. Henry Moore is a bit old hat now but I can see >one of those huge reclining figures with Joni's face on it. Maybe you >could actually sit in it. Or something Rodin-esque. Or something >Franklin Mint! > >Will it inspire ? > >...ah hae ma doots. > > >Gordon > >PS In answer to one of my rhetorical questions of an earlier post, I >do believe in bad art. > >------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:20:47 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni > I think we need something likelike so everyone can clearly see it's her. Here's a question: Should the statue be holding or smoking a cigarette? Although I don't (usually) smoke, it might be fun to "have a cig" with Joni. : ) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:25:28 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: Travelling log Just a quick check in... I've been consultant in charge of hammering up and down motorways of late. So, Travelogue then. It's rather better than I dared hope, given that BSN failed utterly to excite me. I've only managed to give it one go through so far, and that was lying in bed, knackered, listening on headphones. I'm going to find some alcohol, and crank it up on my big hi-fi now that I'm home, and see what it does with a bit more space to breathe. I nattered to Steve T earlier, and he pointed out something which struck me as so true: Tlog stands a very good chance of making some of her 80s material far more accessible to some of us than it ever was in its original form. This has to be a Good Thing[tm]. And I am sooo impressed with the artwork, nifty picturebook and lyric book. Very creative, and it'd be perfect if I hadn't already managed to knacker up the cardboard sleeve it all comes in. Arse! But, all in all, colour me gently pleased with it all. And, oh my god, if I can be crude and cheeky, I think it'll make great music to accompany night-time bedular olympics. :-) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:31:21 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: What kind of animal are you (very NJC) Yes yes, I know, sublime to rediculous. Hope we haven't done this already, 'cos I'll be all embarassed at being crap if so. What kind of animal are you *in bed*? http://www.thesite.org/magazine/sex_and_relationships/animalquiz.html I'm a Koala, aparrently. Described here:- http://www.thesite.org/magazine/sex_and_relationships/you_are_a_koala!.h tml Actually, I've surfed through the other links in the Sex and Relationships section, and it's all rather good no-nonsense advice in my opinion. Quite humourous too :) Hey ho. Apologies for the whimsy. - --Chris PS. If either link gets wrapped, you'll have to cut and paste it into your browser address field in two goes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:23:44 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni At 12/4/2002 04:20 PM, Lori Fye wrote: >Here's a question: Should the statue be holding or smoking a >cigarette? It would be somewhat tacky but absolutely authentic! Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:30:52 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: new Joni DVD > I haven't seen the CD-rom (Kakki?) but I did see the televised > version of it a year or two ago. Diltz was the insider photog who > hung with CSN&Y and the LA gang. The program is excellent if > you are into that late 60's scene. I have the CD-R which I adore (it has the same kind of magic as Joni's T-log packaging) and also saw the film on PBS. I don't have the DVD but understand that it is a greater, expanded version of the PBS film (which was also available on video). I first met him around the time he was getting the PBS show ready and he said he was unearthing all kinds of never before shown photos of Joni and other artists. If Laurent can get the DVD for $1.00 on eBay, he should go for it! Henry lived on Joni's street in Laurel Canyon back in the day (as did the incredible Dan Fogelberg) - I found this little bit about his days there and how he switched from musician to photographer at this link: http://www.rediscovermusic.com/wwwboard/messages/1148.htm Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:41:54 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Second Strings Project APOLOGIES TO JONI-ONLIES - NJC But I hope you'll see why I didn't label it thus... I've just had my regular email from Darryl Purpose's web list, and it includes information about this fantastic project, so simple and so life-enhancing. I can't remember anyone mentioning this on the list, and as there are so many guitarists on the list (including on the joni-only section), I thought I must post this link. The opening paragraph is below, followed by the URL. << Merrick, NY, July 28, 1999: Singer/Songwriter, Darryl Purpose, and activist Kevin Deame announced the formation of The Second Strings Project, a campaign to collect and distribute used guitar strings to needy musicians throughout the world. This effort will help keep musical creativity alive in countries that might otherwise die. >> http://www.darrylpurpose.com/etc/strings.htm Azeem in London NP: Gemma Hayes - Ran For Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:50:03 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc Ack Mags! I had no idea Canadian artists were slammed in this way! That's the music most all my group of friends growing up listened to and they all wanted to move to Canada because they thought that any place that produced such gorgeous music must be some kind of beautiful paradise (which it is in many ways). My knee jerk reaction to anyone who would say that they are "less than" is that they are jealous!! ;-) Kakki >> it was a knee jerk reaction to the years of hearing canadians singers/performers/artists get slammed for being >>"less than". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:09:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Bob ETC..... >>Judy Collins, dont hate me! she sings great, she just makes a livin rippin off other peoples songs<<< ain't know rippin off songs goin on here cuz joni & other songwriters are benefitting financially from judy covering their work - more than judy is...but i agree, i almost always prefer the songwriters' own version better than those who cover it... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:13:07 -0700 From: Sarah Gibb Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni Lori, I don't smoke either. In fact, I have asthma, so I can't abide cigarettes. But this is so much of a trademark with Joni Mitchell that we may have to have a smoking statue. Or maybe we could give her a guitar so that her hands are busy. :-) Sarah At 3:20 PM -0800 12/04/2002, Lori Fye wrote: > > I think we need something likelike so everyone can clearly see it's >her. > >Here's a question: Should the statue be holding or smoking a >cigarette? Although I don't (usually) smoke, it might be fun to "have >a cig" with Joni. > >: ) > >Lori > >~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:09:33 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: "Emotional correctness" (NJC) Mary wrote: > Me now: Then there's hope for me yet!! > Mary P., > who's always loved technically imperfect, "emotionally correct" voices the best, and who--on my good days, >anyway--has one. ;-) I would agree with that, Mary - your voice is very pure! Was also thinking that there is an impressive list of other jmdlers who qualify. Going back to Joni's remarks about Norah Jones - I read the raves (and some pans) about Jones here on the list but hadn't gotten the CD yet and had no idea what she sounded like. Driving along one day a song came on the radio and I almost pulled off the road. Sure enough it was Norah Jones. She grabbed my attention immediately. Those "emotionally correct" singers just go straight through on a main line to my heart. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:35:20 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: new Joni DVD don't think its that new, i got mine about a year ago from henry diltz when he was touring with his photos & just the other night watched it for the first time (woohoo, we finally got a dvd player!), really enjoyed it...some great old footage of bands as well as henry's excellent photos & stories also, they talk about the blue photo...yes it was originally b&w like steve said >>Saw a brand new DVD release at the store called "Under the Covers". The info says artists explain what behind the covers of their most famous recordings, that the DVD has plenty of music, home videos, rarities, etc. Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of 11 chapters are entitled: Woodstock, Joni.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:26:25 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Looking for early unreleased Joni music Hi All. I'm new to the list. I've recently learned of the existence of her unreleased songs. Can anyone help me find them? Especially the Second Fret CD's. At age 12 the first LP record I ever bought was Clouds, my sister already had Song to a Seagull. They are still two of my favorite albums. She lost me with her jazz experiments but I've been re-captured with Travelogue-a beautiful and rich recording. If it is her last album (I hope not), it certainly is a classy way to go. Doug Ontario Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:40:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni I think a statue of Joni holding a fag would be great..... Lori Fye wrote: >>I think we need something likelike so everyone can clearly see it's >> >> >her. > >Here's a question: Should the statue be holding or smoking a >cigarette? Although I don't (usually) smoke, it might be fun to "have >a cig" with Joni. > >: ) > >Lori > >~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:41:45 +0000 From: colin Subject: sexy ugly njc Eric Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 00:46:09 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Beside Herself - statue of Joni (now derailed and NJC) Colin wrote:- > I think a statue of Joni holding a fag would be great..... But which one of us would it be? :-) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:47:50 -0500 From: vince Subject: discussion opener as an opener on discussing what the nation and wolrd face: t r u t h o u t | Perspective Thursday, 10 October, 2002 By William Rivers Pitt The sun may well rise tomorrow and find this article irrelevant. The Congressional decision train, bound for Bush's war on Iraq, very well may have already left the station. A goodly number of Democrats, and virtually every Republican in the House and Senate appear to have made up their minds on the matter, well in advance of the expected Thursday night vote to approve or alter Bush's resolution for war. Still, it is important for this information to be known. For the record: There is no case for war in Iraq. There is no proof whatsoever that Saddam Hussein poses a threat to America or his neighbors. The marvelously absurd Catch-22 we have heard so often is that Hussein is a mortal threat, and yet will be a pushover in battle. There is no proof that Hussein retains any functional aspect of the chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs that were totally dismantled and destroyed by the UNSCOM weapons inspectors from 1991 through 1998. Repeated attempts by the United Nations to reinsert more inspectors have been spurned by the Bush administration in favor of combat. Back in 1991, when Hussein had vast stockpiles of these weapons, he did not use them when American forces were bulldozing through his country. When he fired SCUD missiles into Israel, there was no mustard gas or other chemical agent attached to the nose comes, and there could very well have been. The only time Saddam Hussein has used these weapons was during the 1980s, while in the paid employ of the American government under Reagan, which gave him most of the stuff in the first place. Should an American army arrive in downtown Baghdad, however, and should the dire rhetorical salvos of the Bush administration prove correct, American solders may come face to face with botulinin toxin. You can put Israel on the firing line right next to G.I. Joe. The irony is rich, wretched and deadly: Hussein only used these weapons when he was a vassal of America, after receiving these weapons from America, never against Americans, and may only actually use them against America - in the rare chance he still possesses them - if we invade. The idea that Hussein has connections to al Qaeda terrorists is laughable; Hussein is a secular dictator who has crushed Islamic fundamentalism for 30 years. Bin Laden and al Qaeda despise him and want him dead. Hussein would sooner stick his face into a running chainsaw as give weapons of any kind to al Qaeda, because the end result of either action would be the same. The concept of bringing democracy to Iraq through war, proffered by the Bush administration, is a joke. Democracy in the western sense means majority rule, and the majority in Iraq is comprised of Shiite Muslims who are ideologically and theocratically aligned with the extremist mullahs in Iran. The rest of the Iraqi population is comprised of Kurds, who will not be allowed to rule Iraq or anything else because of Turkey, and by the Sunnis, from whose vicious tribal politics came Saddam Hussein. Democracy in Iraq is a concept that terrifies our allies in the region, most notably Saudi Arabia. Given the fact that the House of Saud appears to have great management control over the House of Bush, it is profoundly unlikely that anything resembling democracy will ever come to exist in Iraq through this loomingprocess. Whomever rules there after the 'regime change' will be as bad as Hussein, or worse. Bush's resolution speaks of making war on the "region," not just Iraq, thus giving him legal cover for total war upon the entire Middle East. This is the passionate dream of the extremist neo-conservative hawks within the Bush administration who are actually running American foreign policy and the War on Terror: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. The resolution for war as it now stands is nothing more or less than a legal blessing to extend eternal war across the planet. George W. Bush is not running this government, and this war is not just about Iraq. It is about oil, and it is about power. Nowhere in this is anything having to do with the protection and well-being of American citizens. Should we attack Iraq with the purpose of removing Saddam Hussein, there will be no easy repeat of the Gulf War. American troops will face house-to-house combat in the streets of Baghdad, a city of five million people. One former combat general interviewed on a cable news station predicted the possibility of American casualties amounting to a battalion a day. In order to prosecute this urban war, Baghdad will have to be 'reduced' via aerial bombardment and artillery, which is likely to cause tens of thousands of civilian deaths. The resulting outrage - termed the 'Al Jazeera effect' after the Arabic news station that will broadcast the shattered bodies of Iraqi civilians all across the Middle East - will spawn new and more horrible terrorist attacks on our shores. Last, but not least, it is painfully obvious to any clear-headed person that the Bush administration has pushed this war to remove Enron, Harken, Halliburton, Arthur Andersen and the woeful state of our economy and the stock market off the front pages and out of TV news rotation. Andrew Card, the White House Chief of Staff, looks at his President in terms of marketing. In fact, he was quoted last August as saying that the administration would not bring up war against Iraq at that point, because August is a bad time to introduce new products. No one can deny that this Iraq issue was sprung as a trap to snare Congressional Democrats, and their followers, in an enraged tailspin that would serve to blast the terrible economic news out of mainstream view. The fact that this political trap is matched by a very real intention within the Bush administration to go to war only magnifies the reality of the dangerous times we live in. Many are ready to throw up their hands and give up on the Democrats, who appear poised to hand Bush everything he wants on this matter. This is the final aspect of the trap, timed to create disgust within the Democratic electorate on the eve of the all-important mid-term elections. The Thursday vote on war with Iraq may well come out wrong in the minds of many Americans. Let the above stand in the record; they have heard all this before, and if they vote for war in the face of the data, they will have some tall explaining to do when the deal goes down. Do not, however, forget who started this mess in the first place. The Bush administration is pushing for war as a political tactic and as a means to wrap their arms around the petroleum available. When voting day comes on November 5th, remember that. A Bush administration with control of the House, Senate and Supreme Court would be a menace on a level we have not to date experienced, and that is saying something. Remember that, too. - ------- William Rivers Pitt is a teacher from Boston, MA. He is the author of two books - "War On Iraq" (with Scott Ritter) available now from Context Books, and "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," available in April 2003 from Pluto Press. An eye for an eye will only serve to make the whole world blind. - --Mahatma Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:51:19 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni colin wrote: >I think a statue of Joni holding a fag would be great..... > > > Can it be Joni holding me? I asked first! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:03:25 -0700 From: Sarah Gibb Subject: Re: Beside Herself - statue of Joni You'd be better than a cigarette, for sure, Vince. Less toxic. I hope. :-) Sarah At 7:51 PM -0500 12/04/2002, vince wrote: >colin wrote: > >>I think a statue of Joni holding a fag would be great..... >> >> >Can it be Joni holding me? > >I asked first! > >Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:28:35 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: new Joni DVD Is there anything on the CD-r that was not on the PBS special? kakki wrote: > I have the CD-R which I adore (it has the same kind of magic as Joni's T-log > packaging) and also saw the film on PBS. I don't have the DVD but > understand that it is a greater, expanded version of the PBS film (which was > also available on video). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:32:32 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #373 In a message dated 12/4/2002 7:49:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > No need to apologize, Mags. I didn't think you were being crabby. I actually > love Leonard Cohen, Neil Young and, of course, Joni Mitchell, BECAUSE of > their plain voices. I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I wasn't > slagging them, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek and self-deprecating. As I > said before, Canadians are the first to poke fun at themselves. Leonard > Cohen once joked at the Juno Awards that Canada is the only place on earth > he'd get an award for "Best Male Vocal Performance." > Leonard Cohen has a plain voice? Sweet Mother of Jesus. This man is a wonderful singer. To say nothing about arranger - but that's not at issue here. He's great singer. Period. And his last recording he's almost at his finest. And right now I'm listening (NP as we like to say) to After the Gold Rush - Neil's voice is far from plain. Of course I think this is one of his finest recordings. But his singing is nothing compared to Leonard. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:36:27 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: NJC don't smoke the statue I live in a city where an evergreen decorated in tinsel is referred to as a holiday tree as to not offend anyone who doesn't do the Christmas thing. A city that cancelled the Barenaked ladies New years eve show because they thought their name was politically incorrect. In their own home town no less. It was to be at NPS where there is a statue of Winnie No cigar Politically in correct they made the artist get rid of it. The cigar not the statue. The city that paved paradise. DF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:45:43 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: NJC white sox fans Here you got Billy Koch I've been following him since the minors. Real live arm just about matured. I was at his first MLB game that he clocked 104mph incredible. DF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:30:29 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: new Joni DVD Randy asked: > Is there anything on the CD-r that was not on the PBS special? I haven't looked at it in literally years (was lent out to a jmdler for a time) but it is very different. It is interactive in a really magical way. It took me awhile at first (this was in my infant CD-r/net days) to figure it all out but that was half the fun. You advance through photos and collages and if you accidently click here or there, it takes you down another rabbit hole to a new scene and stuff. I finally saw little icons at the bottom of the screen - one was a heart - and clicking there would take you to the related paramours. It weaves in all the inter-connectedness of the artists featured. It took me several visits to see everything There was also a really sweet watercolor map which looked down on Laurel Canyon and had the streets and everyone's names on their houses. I should probably go take another look to refresh my memory. It is really a classic - with a very high level of charm - and I enjoyed it much more than the film on PBS. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:54:06 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Goldie's "Carey" Christina my dear I think Jack is correct on this one dawling. And while you are in getting your eyes checked you might ought to consider having your head examined (but I digress!)) snicker hee hee. Paz (also under the weather) on 11/30/02 3:15 PM, Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup at christi@dsr.kvl.dk wrote: > Bob wrote: > >> Joni seems to nail her own lyric pretty good, from my recollections > > But she does chose to vary them once in a while like in some of the > reinterpretations on T'log. And I'm really liking to hear different versions > of > her songs which inspire me to be more "daring" when I sing her songs. The > other > day I met another Jonifan who, listening to my CD, said "that is the best > version of Woodstock I've heard" thinking that it was Joni. I told her she > should have her ears checked (which makes me think of Jack telling me the > other > day that I should have my eyes checked...I promise you, this guy I know looks > excactly like George Clooney!). > > Christina, recovering from a sore throat but will be fit for fight at Jacks > release party and following Jonifest...only 12 days to go!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:56:23 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Drawing How is it that everyone but me can get to this site and every time I click on it, it tells me it is no longer available??? AND I have a Yahoo account to boot. Paz on 11/30/02 6:52 PM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > --- chuty001 wrote: > For > anyone interested here's a link to one of my >> drawings let me know what >> you think. I'll leave it up for the week end. Thanks >> DF >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/thatstrangesite/Drawing-Joni1-1.jpg > > > You *drew* that? I'm impressed! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:48:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Drawing In a message dated 12/04/2002 8:56:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: > How is it that everyone but me can get to this site and every time I click > on it, it tells me it is no longer available??? He only put it up for the weekend, Mikey...you're too slow! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:52:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for early unreleased Joni music In a message dated 12/04/2002 7:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmeek@falls.igs.net writes: > Can anyone help me find them? Especially the Second Fret CD's. > Hi Doug, and welcome to the list. I love those early unreleased songs too with a passion, and have a bunch. The Second Fret Sets is a great start, you get a lot of them on these two discs. I'm happy to make cdr copies for you for blanks & postage or costs for same. Let me know if you're interested. Bob, at my in-laws because the ice storm knocked out our power! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:01:54 -0500 From: Doug Subject: re-discussion opener George Dubya should read the lyrics to "The Fiddle and the Drum" Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:08:22 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC Are you kidding?? One of my good friends/classmates in vet school was a lesbian and she was gorgeous and a great student. All the guys were crazy over her but they all new better than waste a move on her. All the guys thought she was cheating on her honey back home just because she would slow dance with me. Her honey new all about our plotonic friendship. I think she found humour in all the stupid gossip. Most homosexuals that are "out" I guess develop a pretty thick skin. Will >From: "Bree Mcdonough" >To: willchavez@hotmail.com, groovchacha@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC >Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:23:03 -0500 > >I think she thought you were surprised that there could *actually* be a hot >(sexy, attractive) lesbian in the room. (or anywhere for that matter) >I did not take offense myself Will. >SUSAN???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Take care > >Bree > >>Susan >> >>This was not meant as an insult nor was this a backhanded anything! I have >>quite a few lesbian friends who love it when I flirt with them because >>they know I respect them and nothing will go beyond the flirting. I have >>found that my lesbian friends that are paired up are probably the most >>comfortable with this kind of playing around. I'm sorry you took offense >>to it because if anything it was meant to flatter. I hope you were the >>only one who took it this way, if not I know I'm going to get bombarded >>with emails tomorrow. Is it the Hot part that you are disturbed about? I >>hope you don't think that I can't find a woman attractive just because its >>obvious she is a lesbian? I guess I'm not sure what actually bothered you. >>Will >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Susan Guzzi >>>To: William Chavez >>>CC: joni@smoe.org >>>Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC >>>Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:08:18 -0800 (PST) >>> >>> >>>--- William Chavez wrote: >>> > >Anybody a Joan Armatrading fan? >>> > >>> > >>> > She is great in concert!!!! >>>It was just me in a sea of lesbians (and some of them were very HOT!) >>> >>>What a surprise! :-o You mean just like in a sea of straight women? ... >>>"Some" of them are very >>>hot. I just wondered. There are lesbians here too ya know. >>> >>>I know I said my last post was my last post, but I just couldn't pass up >>>responding to this back >>>handed compliment or insult. >>> >>>Peace, >>>Susan >>>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >>>http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >>http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > Are you kidding?? One of my good friends/classmates in vet school was a lesbian and she was gorgeous. All the guys were crazy over her but they all new better than waste a move on her. All the guys thought she was cheating on her honey back home just because she would slow dance with me and give me a kiss at the end. Her honey new all about our friendship. I think she enjoyed the gossip. Most homosexuals that are "out" I guess develop a pretty thick skin. Will >From: "Bree Mcdonough" >To: willchavez@hotmail.com, groovchacha@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC >Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:23:03 -0500 > >I think she thought you were surprised that there could *actually* be a hot >(sexy, attractive) lesbian in the room. (or anywhere for that matter) >I did not take offense myself Will. >SUSAN???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Take care > >Bree > >>Susan >> >>This was not meant as an insult nor was this a backhanded anything! I have >>quite a few lesbian friends who love it when I flirt with them because >>they know I respect them and nothing will go beyond the flirting. I have >>found that my lesbian friends that are paired up are probably the most >>comfortable with this kind of playing around. I'm sorry you took offense >>to it because if anything it was meant to flatter. I hope you were the >>only one who took it this way, if not I know I'm going to get bombarded >>with emails tomorrow. Is it the Hot part that you are disturbed about? I >>hope you don't think that I can't find a woman attractive just because its >>obvious she is a lesbian? I guess I'm not sure what actually bothered you. >>Will >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Susan Guzzi >>>To: William Chavez >>>CC: joni@smoe.org >>>Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC >>>Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:08:18 -0800 (PST) >>> >>> >>>--- William Chavez wrote: >>> > >Anybody a Joan Armatrading fan? >>> > >>> > >>> > She is great in concert!!!! >>>It was just me in a sea of lesbians (and some of them were very HOT!) >>> >>>What a surprise! :-o You mean just like in a sea of straight women? ... >>>"Some" of them are very >>>hot. I just wondered. There are lesbians here too ya know. >>> >>>I know I said my last post was my last post, but I just couldn't pass up >>>responding to this back >>>handed compliment or insult. >>> >>>Peace, >>>Susan >>>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >>>http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >>http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:11:52 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: J. Armatrading/Barry White NJC >Overall it wasn't that big a deal Susan, for something that overall was not a big deal you sure do sound insulted. I just showed what I wrote to my employee (who is a lesbian) and she didn't think there was anything to get upset about but she did say "Will, these are internet acquaintances that you've made but you don't really know them or there sensitivity level. You can't possibly construct your statements through a medium such as this and have it suit everybody." >I am not insulted that you find a lesbian attractive GEEZ! It's that >you >seem surprised that you do. Surprised? I'm not surprised, I've always been attracted to lesbian women not just because some or many might be beautiful on the outside but because many are beautiful on the inside. I've got a few friends that many would consider the the stereotypical lesbian yet I find them cute, and funny, and a great bunch to hang around with. I find their issues to be more honest than most other minorities and they can take a joke(as long as they know you respect them deep down) >I may very well be the only one who took it this way or the only one >who >will admit it. I don't care, THIS is the way I feel. Too often >in our >society the invisible lesbian stays in the background, I hope you truly were the only one to feel like this and I haven't found that too many people on this list tend to hold back much. I'm sure I would have heard other comments by now and thankfully I have not. By the way, I wouldn't think that a Joni List is a place where a lesbian should feel like she should remain invisible, everybody here appears to be very accepting of both gay men and women. I have found that a lot of people on this list joke around about sex and their orientation in a very laid back and friendly manner. Still, I'm glad you spoke up and decided to let me know that you weren't comfortable with what you read. I really don't mean to instigate a lengthy discussion that you might perceive as me being an ass trying to get you revved up but would you have reacted differently if you had known prior that I too was a lesbian or if I had been gay or black. I think its a common perception (that is probably true) that most straight guys like to bash homosexuals but not me. Under the dark smokie veils of the battlefield, its easy to shoot someone that is on your side, I'm not the enemy. >Must say I would be insulted by your reference to "crazy black >women" as well, were I black, WIll. I really do think that when your read this quote, with the sentence that came before and after, that it is obvious that I was referring to the ability of this huge group of black women to let it all GO and get CRAZY because they were in the presence of their main man Barry White. The poor guys, who probably bought both their ticket and their girlfriend's ticket, were truly ignored because Barry was in the room. Talk about INVISIBLE! When Barry brought out 2 sets of stair from the stage to audience so women could file up and get a hug, they truly went CRAZY and nobody could have called it anything different. This is a GOOD crazy. Remember-"Happiness is the Best Facelift". >BY the way which pile would you put Joan Armatrading in the "lesbian" >or >with the "crazy black women" I wouldn't pile Joan Armatrading anywhere because I don't personally know her. I assume she is a lesbian because my lesbian friends tell me that she is. The only thing I know for sure is that she is a "black woman" but I don't know that she is a "black woman CRAZY about Barry White". Peace Will One last comment on Joan Armatrading. I lived in St. Christopher(St. Kitts) for 3 years(Joan's place of birth and residence until a teenager). Nobody there knows who she is! The only one who ever said "Ah yes!" was my landlord, a black Kittician that had studied abroad/states (doctorate in Botany). He knew of her while in New York/Cornell not because she was a fellow Kittician. I found that very odd. The island is only 17 miles long!!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #542 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)