From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #541 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 541 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hemlogue VLJC ["mike pritchard" ] Stauesque Joni [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski (little bit o' jc) [colin ] Instrumentation on Refuge of the Roads ["Mickey Morose" ] 2 Blue Questions [James Schidlowsky ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Fogelberg [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] new Joni DVD ["Laurent Olszer" ] Unravelogue ["William" ] Re: 2 Blue Questions [Steve Polifka ] Re: Joni Bob ETC..... [Jerry Notaro ] Re: [Jerry Notaro ] Dyan is gay, that's why... njc ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc ["Victor Johnson" ] "Emotional correctness" (NJC) [] Re: Joni sings Broadway? ["Christopher Treacy" ] I HOPE YOU ALL WATCHED PBS THE OTHER NIGHT!!! [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni sings Broadway? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni sings Broadway? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ed harris njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: ed harris njc [Steve Polifka ] Regarding the apology [Little Bird ] Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Dyan is gay, that's why... njc ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:21:06 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Hemlogue VLJC True. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: Hemlogue VLJC > I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you have not seen it yet. > True? > > > > Mike in Barcleona said, > >>>>>>>> > Why does this dialogue (no prizes for identifying it) spring to mind > whenever > I hear yet another comment about the mind-blowing packaging of Travelogue? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:10:36 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Stauesque Joni Dear all I am wondering about the style of the statue ...will it be a literal, lifelike representation or will it be something more adventurous.It will probably be really avant garde.....a statement of the new...I can see it already. Henry Moore is a bit old hat now but I can see one of those huge reclining figures with Joni's face on it. Maybe you could actually sit in it. Or something Rodin-esque. Or something Franklin Mint! Will it inspire ? ...ah hae ma doots. Gordon PS In answer to one of my rhetorical questions of an earlier post, I do believe in bad art. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:36:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski (little bit o' jc) >Yes, it's uncanny. LeeLee Sobiesky (correct spelling) has actually been >around on TV and movies for almost 10 years. > bilmey! She doesn't look very old at all. about 19. > > >LeeLee Sobiesky is the young Helen Hunt. > >-Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 04:39:21 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC Susan This was not meant as an insult nor was this a backhanded anything! I have quite a few lesbian friends who love it when I flirt with them because they know I respect them and nothing will go beyond the flirting. I have found that my lesbian friends that are paired up are probably the most comfortable with this kind of playing around. I'm sorry you took offense to it because if anything it was meant to flatter. I hope you were the only one who took it this way, if not I know I'm going to get bombarded with emails tomorrow. Is it the Hot part that you are disturbed about? I hope you don't think that I can't find a woman attractive just because its obvious she is a lesbian? I guess I'm not sure what actually bothered you. Will >From: Susan Guzzi >To: William Chavez >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:08:18 -0800 (PST) > > >--- William Chavez wrote: > > >Anybody a Joan Armatrading fan? > > > > > > She is great in concert!!!! >It was just me in a sea of lesbians (and some of them were very HOT!) > >What a surprise! :-o You mean just like in a sea of straight women? ... >"Some" of them are very >hot. I just wondered. There are lesbians here too ya know. > >I know I said my last post was my last post, but I just couldn't pass up >responding to this back >handed compliment or insult. > >Peace, >Susan >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 05:33:38 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Joni Bob ETC..... Hey all...Here is my take...First of all Bob was gorgeous in his younger years(Jakob is a carbon copy)He didnt get bad lookin until the 70s imho...I think they would have hooked up best in the begining of their respective careers..Both fresh, creative as hell...Oh yeah I kept hearing all this about dan fogelberg and im not too familiar with him but after lookin at a pic of him I would like to be familiar :) .. i mean im sure hes aged a bit but as Cher says If I could turn back time..whatta handsome man ok enough of that...Did anyone else notice that in the W magazine article they say that the PBS Doc will be in march I wish they would make up their minds so I can circle my calendar obsessivly...I thought the article was nice almost funny at times and I think shes right about Judy Collins, dont hate me! she sings great, she just makes a livin rippin off other peoples songs and Im sick of these as seen on tv cd collections for "singer songwriters" havin ms collins singin BSN...maybe im bein harsh cause she really can sing, I know there are alotta fans of hers on the list so i dont mean to offend... I also feel that Leonard Cohen songs are best interpreted by Leonard.. maybe im a purist or maybe im a b*tch...who knows...Hope you all are doin fabulous!! Have a great day****KEvin***** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:41:35 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: A word in defence of critics njc In a message dated 04/12/2002 01:51:02 GMT Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << I wish I understood what the hell she was talking about. What is a panto? What is a skip? >> Ah! Two nations separated by a common language, again. Panto is an abbreviation for pantomime, a form of theatre which is quintessentially English (although I've no idea what its origins are). It involves well-known storylines such as Peter Pan, Ali Baba And The 40 Thieves, and is chiefly a Christmas season phenomenon, being aimed at what programmers like to call "younger audiences", which to you or me means kids. Staples of panto include cross dressing (the main characters are usually played by actors of the oppposite sex), very broad comedy including pratfalls and running around in panic, and audience participation: when the villain is creeping up on the hero, the audience shout out "He's behind you!" en masse; or an argument will develop, and a character will say "Oh yes it is", whereupon the audience will riposte "OH NO IT ISN'T!!" Erm, does this help?? A skip is a large receptacle for rubbish (or should I say Trash?) which is delivered on the back of a large lorry (truck!) and deposited outside someone's house, typically when someone is doing a large clear-out. So, they'll be full of the detritus of a houshold, often stuff that may seem perfectly serviceable. Hope that hasn't killed Nancy's subtle and whimsical humo(u)r... By the way, you may also be wondering who the hell Bernie Clifton is: As you may have gathered, his Schtick was a comedy ostrich which he "rode", his legs being the ostrich's legs, and a fake pair of legs being draped of the ostrich's sides, giving the "hilarious" effect of a fully grown man riding said oversized bird. Crikey, what Brits used to do for entertainment in the 70s... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:49:49 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice In a message dated 04/12/2002 01:00:27 GMT Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: << I think what Joni meant by "unambitious" is that it's not trying to be something it's not, intentionally trying to rouse a reaction by infusing the voice with mock emotion or pretty trills. Celine and Streisand really put on a huge vocal show, a sound that is quite different from their speaking voices. There is a bit of pretense to it, I guess - at least in Joni's view. > > I don't know if that's what Joni meant Andrew, but it makes perfect sense now! That would be an interesting question: which singer's singing voices are least like their speaking voices? Anyone remember Jennifer Rush, who had a monster hit in the mid 80s with The Power Of Lurve? She had this big, plummy singing style, and I almost choked on my cornflakes when I heard her interviewed on the radio - she sounded like Minnie Mouse! Then there's Sandy Dillon, who has a perfectly normal speaking voice, yet, when she sings, sounds like Tom Waits's long-lost sister with a bad case of tonsilitis. I kinda like her, but the few people I know who've heard her stuff find her voice unbearably affected, which it may indeed be. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:51:02 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: NJC Joni and Joan Catherine wrote >> I don't think I've heard anything by Joan A. that I didn't like so, in my opinion, you couldn't possibly go wrong, no matter which one you bought.<< I agree totally. There are moments in 'Your letter' (especially) which are unsurpassed in terms of pure passion and great great singing. I can't find ANY JA cds here in Spain. Thanks Dutch John for the boots. mike in barcelona NPIMH "...out loud and to myself" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:55:30 +0000 From: "Mickey Morose" Subject: Instrumentation on Refuge of the Roads Is that a guitar? No guitarist is credited - Joni's not playing guitar on this, is she? or is ti picked violin strings? If so, its damned fine picking. I just love this version of Refuge, which I got into first because it plays when I look at the art gallery - a great idea. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:29:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Instrumentation on Refuge of the Roads In a message dated 12/4/2002 5:57:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, topmickey@hotmail.com writes: > Is that a guitar? No guitarist is credited - Joni's not playing guitar on > this, is she? or is ti picked violin strings? Sounds like a harp to me. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:19:13 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Washington Post review http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6066-2002Dec3.html Joni Mitchell Gets Back to the Garden By Richard Harrington Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, December 4, 2002; Page C01 Fortunately, Joni Mitchell has backed off recent assertions that her new album, "Travelogue," would be her last. "I'm quitting after this, because the business has made itself so repugnant to me," Mitchell, 59, had told W magazine. "What would I do? Show my [breasts]? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer? It's not my world." The commercial pop world -- which has become crasser and coarser over the three-plus decades of Mitchell's career -- has never been hers. A passionately beguiling blend of literate poetics and exploratory music, her work has always deserved better, but given today's marketplace, "Travelogue" was surely going to be a tough sell. And Mitchell's approach to the project may not help matters. Two years ago, the lushly orchestral "Both Sides Now" offered Mitchell's take on American standards, including two of her own (the title track and "A Case of You"). That album wasn't just an evocative exploration of popular song but a celebration of Mitchell's mature voice, one deepened by a lifetime of experience (and, sadly, decades of smoking). Her instrument has gradually evolved from the reedy soprano of the late '60s to today's wearily elegant contralto, evoking a viola or muted trumpet. "Both Sides Now," as well as Mitchell's infrequent concert performances, suggested she was intent on exploring fresh meanings to old songs. On the two-disc, 22-track "Travelogue," Mitchell reconsiders her entire catalogue, drawing from 12 of her 15 studio albums. She's helped once again by Vincent Mendoza conducting the 70-piece London Symphony Orchestra in his own evocative and empathetic arrangements. These days, Mitchell is all chanteuse, leaving the playing to others. Guests such as saxophonist Wayne Shorter and keyboard player Herbie Hancock pep up some of the jazzier tracks, but mostly add texture to Mendoza's symphonic strings, brass and winds. Like Bob Dylan riffling through his back pages, Mitchell and Mendoza rearrange her songs in such a way that few replicate the originals. While some gain emotive and interpretive depth from their reworkings, several are clumsily re-imagined. Case in point: "Woodstock" is slowed to a funereal pace that subverts the original meaning and spirit of the song, replacing fragile celebration with weary melancholy. Mitchell seems to distance herself from the past, now singing, "I know we're stardust / I think we're golden." Thirty-three years ago, she was more confident in her generation's humanity. Mitchell has never shied away from social critiques, but there's little of that here, apart from the taut jazz snap of "Sex Kills"; "Cherokee Louise," a sharp sketch of a troubled foster child; and the plaintive "The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song)," in which Job rails against a heartless God, demanding to know "what have I done to you / that you make everything I dread / and everything I fear come true?" A few too many arrangements proceed at a glacial tempo that abandons the rhythmic intricacies of the originals, and Mendoza's string settings sometimes slip toward lugubriousness, making the material more somber than it warrants. Thankfully, there is an occasional burst of jazzy brass: Joni as bebop priestess on "You Dream Flat Tires" or swaggering hipster on "Be Cool." But too much of the album -- from song choice to interpretive decision -- feels like a portentous final testament. "Judgment of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune)" is less about Beethoven than Mitchell's lifelong "solitary path." When she intones, "They're going to aim the hoses on you / You show them you won't expire / not till you burn up every passion," it's obvious the song has become a career statement. Another early work, "The Circle Game," takes on the bittersweet character of the previous album's version of "Both Sides Now." Having ridden the carousel of time through constant transformation and discovery, Mitchell is more convincing than ever when conceding that "we can't return, we can only look behind from where we came / and go round and round and round in the circle game." Looking back with the eyes of hard-won experience makes the ride that much more rewarding. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 04:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: James Schidlowsky Subject: 2 Blue Questions Greetings. 1. on the cover of Blue, what's that on joni's chin? I've checked the archives, and someone has already asked this, but never got an answer. 2. on the CD version, in the song "This Flight Tonight", there are 2 areas where there is a little scratchy distortion (one at around 1:14 where she sings "mythical", and another little one around "starbright, you got...". was this on the original vinyl, or have they done a bad job on the CD? - -- james. ===== zzz zZz James skycrow@yahoo.com Montreal zzZ my self : http://pages.infinit.net/skycrow Quebec zZz my music: http://www.muzikaktiv.com Canada Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:51:59 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc In a message dated 12/3/2002 9:35:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: > It cracks me up how > much crap he gets for it :)) I'm not as passionate about Eminem as Vince, but I do think his 2002 release is an outstanding one. It's kinda fun to get that sense of danger, like when I would be playing "god damn the pusher", and hoping my parents wouldn't walk in. Except NOW, I play the music and hope my SON doesn't walk in! :~) Not true, actually both of us like the disc, plus we went to see 8-mile this weekend and besides being a musical powerhouse he has screen presence and charisma out the wazoo. Bob NP: John Gorka/Shawn Colvin, "The One That Got Away" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:54:33 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Fogelberg In a message dated 12/4/2002 12:01:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, willchavez@hotmail.com writes: > Have any of you guys ever heard "Wisteria" off of his first > album. I really enjoyed that entire first LP of his, Will...reminds me quite a lot of STAS in that the instrumentation of these songs is so unadorned they almost sound like demos. Now, I never thought about having his baby...but I did enjoy the record! :~) Undeniably jumped the shark after "The Innocent Age" Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:58:56 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: new Joni DVD Saw a brand new DVD release at the store called "Under the Covers". The info says artists explain what behind the covers of their most famous recordings, that the DVD has plenty of music, home videos, rarities, etc. Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of 11 chapters are entitled: Woodstock, Joni. I couldn't find it at Amazon, has anybody seen it yet and could tell us whether this is any good? Also, I just purchased Dominic Miller "First Touch". He's famous for his work with Sting, but his solo work reveal a world of sensitivity and beauty, all on classical guitar. I wouldn't be surprised a bit if Joni went to his concert and/or tried to recruit him for her next project. He's that good. Can't wait to receive his 2nd CD "Second Nature". Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:24:43 -0000 From: "William" Subject: Unravelogue I can't go back there anymore He lives in another time Wave another day goodbye Red is angry green is jealous That was all she had to say Still I'll take a chance and see To see the place she's lately gotten to Then you got into funny scenes That all your work discloses Sometimes voices in the night will call me back again People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies But now it's just another show But the one man band By the quick lunch stand He was playing real good, for free I sing soprano in the upstairs choir Don't it always seem to go Don't it always seem to go Don't it always seem to go Don't it always seem to go But you know life is for learning So the years spin by Oh will you take me as I am I'm going to make a lot of money Then I'm going to quit this crazy scene But the songs you punched are dreaming Listen, they sing of love so sweet Just like Nat King Cole And you want to get moving And you want to stay still They toss around your latest golden egg Speculation-well, who's to know I really can't give up just yet They start bringing out the hammers And the boards And the nails She's got all the wrong fuses and splices You get bored so quick I'm going to tell you again now If you're still listening there Now you're thinking That's no substitute It just don't do it The gift goes on You can't please 'em all Caught in my struggle for higher achievements The band sounds like typewriters I went looking for some sweet inspiration, oh well He drifts off into the memory Calendars of our lives Critics of all expression No regrets Coyote But till you get there yourself you never really know But you still have your music In search of love and music My whole life has been I pay a high price for my open talking Anyway the best of my mind All goes down on the strings and the page Heed those trumpets all night long To cheap work and cheap thrills In memories Of old friends of mine We move in measures We're middle aged No demands Just pleasurable sensations I'm just sounding brass And tinkling cymbals I can't decide I don't know Which way to go? Tonight I'm going dancing With the drag queens and the punks Try another Land of short attention spans Mega lights and supersonic sounds People talk to tell you something She says I'm leavin' here but she don't go Recognize this? Isn't there some other way? Way back in 1957 Must I surrender With grace The things I loved when I was yonger One day I just disappeared Let me speak Once I was blessed I see the diggers waiting, they're leaning on their spades The old man is snoring And I'm taming the tiger Formula music, girly guile Genuine junkfood for juveniles I'm so sick of this game Life's too short, the whole thing's gotten Boring! Part of this is passing That's my very best to you ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 08:39:50 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: 2 Blue Questions At 04:20 AM 12/4/02 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings. > >1. on the cover of Blue, what's that on joni's chin? >I've checked the archives, and someone has >already asked this, but never got an answer. > It's a microphone- or the reflection off of it. Remember, this is (almost) a posterized pic of a (probable) Black & white shot. Don't know the answer to Q.#2. Steve >2. on the CD version, in the song "This Flight >Tonight", there are 2 areas where there is a >little scratchy distortion (one at around 1:14 >where she sings "mythical", and another little one >around "starbright, you got...". was this on the >original vinyl, or have they done a bad job on >the CD? > >-- james. > > > >===== >zzz >zZz James skycrow@yahoo.com Montreal >zzZ my self : http://pages.infinit.net/skycrow Quebec >zZz my music: http://www.muzikaktiv.com Canada >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:52:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Bob ETC..... Cactustree78@aol.com wrote: > Hey all...Here is my take...First of all Bob was gorgeous in his younger years(Jakob is a carbon copy) Are you still smokin' that Wacky Weed??????? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:00:36 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: William Chavez wrote: > >Bob > > >NP: Judy Collins, "Since You've Asked" > > God I love this song! I even doctored up the piano sheet music for this song > to include the clarinet part that was missing. > Will One of my all time favorites. I've sung it at dozens of weddings. It's the perfect love song. Jerry NP: Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:04:05 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Dyan is gay, that's why... njc The following quote from Jewel might offer insight as to why Dylan and Joni never hooked up... "Obviously Bob Dylan is gay if he's not interested in me. I mean, look at me! Who would have guessed that Dylan is a fag?" Jewel, telling the audience during a concert in Newark, N.J., about a dream she had in which Bob Dylan appeared but did not flirt with her (New York Post, Nov. 16) Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc a wise man once told me that it's all a matter of perception...perhaps yesterday was one of my "the glass is half empty" kind of days. needless to say, i obviously misinterpreted the meaning behind the word(s). my apologies especially to Andrew, for i meant no offense to you personally. it was a knee jerk reaction to the years of hearing canadians singers/performers/artists get slammed for being "less than". well, now that i've dug the hole even deeper, i know when to stop. sorry andrew. Mags...sometimes a bit of a crab these days. kakki wrote:I thought Andrew's list of "unambitious" Canadian singers was meant in a way to give himself (and all Canadians) a collective pat on your parka-covered Canadian backs, Mags, for having such a surplus of naturally beautiful-voiced artists up there! ;-) Seriously, I thought it was a bit of proud praise and not at all a put-down! Kakki, ambitious imitator of Joni, Buffy St. Marie and even Gordon Lightfoot in her day! You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:29:55 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc > I thought Andrew's list of "unambitious" Canadian singers was meant in a way > to give himself (and all Canadians) a collective pat on your parka-covered > Canadian backs, Mags, for having such a surplus of naturally > beautiful-voiced artists up there! ;-) Seriously, I thought it was a bit of > proud praise and not at all a put-down! I've always loved Canadian musicians...especially Neil Young and Geddy Lee of Rush who both have somewhat peculiar voices that rub some people the wrong way. They definately seem to have an unusual quality to them. Victor in Asheville NP: Stan Kenton's "West Side Story" NW: snow steadily falling outside - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:37:47 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc ok...!!!!!! this makes sense now.. she was in the same box as siquomb herself for that TNT tribute. Dots are connecting........ Thanks, Kakki! Bree > Don't know if you knew this, but she was Larry Klein's girlfriend for a >bit a few >years ago and there was an interview with Joni saying how much she approved >of him finding such "a nice Canadian girl." ;-) > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:42:50 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc Jerry wrote: >Now HERE'S a thread! > Many of my friends think Ed >Harris is a dog, but I think he's hot. > >Jerry > Some gay 'factions' would be going "woof!" after Ed Harris walked by them... ;-) Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:04:15 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Joni sings Broadway? This appeared in today's NY Post: December 4, 2002 -- IT'S the most famous song from "Man of La Mancha" and arguably one of the most famous ever written. It's earned a few million in royalties, and has been recorded and interpreted by a wide array of performers: Frank Sinatra (anthem), Joni Mitchell (folk), Andre Kostelanetz (Muzak), Robert Goulet (lounge), Jim Nabors (bad). And it took no more than a half-hour to write. "I got the lyric in the afternoon, went over to my apartment - I was living at 40 E. 78th St. at the time - sat down at the piano and just wrote it," says 74-year-old composer Mitch Leigh of his biggest hit, "The Impossible Dream." Anyone know anything about this? It's a typo, right? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:28:04 -0600 From: Subject: "Emotional correctness" (NJC) Kakki wrote: "Joni also said in the interview "I haven't heard a girl singer who wasn't trying way too hard in 20 years." and "I'd rather have it be emotionally correct than have some great vocal athlete tear it up on it." I enjoy both kinds of singers but the ones who are "emotionally correct" are usually the ones who impress me the most long term." Me now: Then there's hope for me yet!! Mary P., who's always loved technically imperfect, "emotionally correct" voices the best, and who--on my good days, anyway--has one. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:37:09 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? It's slipshard reporting...he probably did a search and Joni came up because of 'Impossible Dreamer'. Nobody does real research anymore. - -Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL PETERSON" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: Joni sings Broadway? > This appeared in today's NY Post: > > December 4, 2002 -- > > IT'S the most famous song from "Man of La Mancha" and arguably one of the > most famous ever written. > > It's earned a few million in royalties, and has been recorded and > interpreted by a wide array of performers: Frank Sinatra (anthem), Joni > Mitchell (folk), Andre Kostelanetz (Muzak), Robert Goulet (lounge), Jim > Nabors (bad). > > And it took no more than a half-hour to write. > > "I got the lyric in the afternoon, went over to my apartment - I was living > at 40 E. 78th St. at the time - sat down at the piano and just wrote it," > says 74-year-old composer Mitch Leigh of his biggest hit, "The Impossible > Dream." > > > Anyone know anything about this? It's a typo, right? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:38:27 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: I HOPE YOU ALL WATCHED PBS THE OTHER NIGHT!!! There was a folk singers concert on public television monday night and there was a mention of Joni.They said they would show a concert of Joni next year.They showed a clip of Joni singing a song from her first album back in the 60's.she sounded wonderful. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:44:43 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? In a message dated 12/4/2002 11:37:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, whizzboom@attbi.com writes: > It's slipshard reporting...he probably did a search and Joni came up because > of 'Impossible Dreamer'. Nobody does real research anymore. > -Chris > Thank goodness for that. I hate the song "The Impossible Dream", and I'd have a hissy fit if Joni ever sings it (even in the shower by herself :~) ) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:50:29 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni sings Broadway? NJC In a message dated 12/4/2002 11:37:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, whizzboom@attbi.com writes: > Nobody does real research anymore. Humph! Check out "Joni Undercover" & "Joni in Fiction" on the JMDL. If that ain't the result of a LOT of real research, I guess I don't understand the definition of the word. ;~) Bob, speaking for the other Bob too NP: Shawn, "I'll Say I'm Sorry Now" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:53:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: ed harris njc WOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wally-k, salivating and stifling the shrieks - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Steve Polifka Enviado el: Miercoles, 04 de Diciembre de 2002 12:43 p.m. Para: Jerry Notaro CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc Some gay 'factions' would be going "woof!" after Ed Harris walked by them... ;-) Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:57:33 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: ed harris njc At 01:53 PM 12/4/02 -0300, you wrote: >WOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >wally-k, salivating and stifling the shrieks I'll flip you for him! (You too, Jimmy...) >-----Mensaje original----- >De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Steve >Polifka >Enviado el: Miercoles, 04 de Diciembre de 2002 12:43 p.m. >Para: Jerry Notaro >CC: joni@smoe.org >Asunto: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc > > >Some gay 'factions' would be going "woof!" after Ed Harris walked by them... > >;-) >Steve > >Steve > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Regarding the apology No need to apologize, Mags. I didn't think you were being crabby. I actually love Leonard Cohen, Neil Young and, of course, Joni Mitchell, BECAUSE of their plain voices. I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I wasn't slagging them, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek and self-deprecating. As I said before, Canadians are the first to poke fun at themselves. Leonard Cohen once joked at the Juno Awards that Canada is the only place on earth he'd get an award for "Best Male Vocal Performance." So, I don't accept your apology because it isn't needed, my dear! :-) No hard feelings. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:19:44 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski njc You're right, Colin, she's 20. She started as a child actor, as did Helen Hunt; I remember seeing young Helen on an original Star Trek episode as a teenage alien princess ... she looked exactly like LeeLee Sobiesky. - -Fred In a message dated 12/4/02 3:36:49 AM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: >>Yes, it's uncanny. LeeLee Sobiesky (correct spelling) has actually been >>around on TV and movies for almost 10 years. >> >bilmey! She doesn't look very old at all. about 19. > >> >> >>LeeLee Sobiesky is the young Helen Hunt. >> >>-Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:10:38 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc >Diana has this kind of "f*** me if you want to - I'll be here writing out >the grocery list in the >mean time and during" kind of attitude or style when she sings. It's a >little cold and aloof. I >HAVE over-posted today. But I know what I mean. Not much foreplay and >then she just goes & gets >the job done. Hmmmmmmmm? This is very interesting...I never gave the cold and aloof much thought. Does the listener have to be of this persuasion too? I'm getting you exactly! t>his goes to selling the song ... in my >opinion. I would like, Krall Master Bree, if I may say ths one thing, to >hear Diana do this a bit >more. It's just a personal choice, and I think it is where she falls a tad >short for me. Huh? SHe has? > > >A chacun son gout. > > > > Will you need surgery for this? OR will something from over the counter >do? > > > >This may be the freakin funniest thing you ever said Bree! I don't know >why but it's totally got >me laughing and snorkling! I can't even look at the freakin screen! I have >definitely been on >line much too long today. Glad I could return a laugh...because you have certainly tickled my funny bone on many.. many occasions. Geezzzzzzzz this is getting too sickening! Bree >Good Night You Princesses and Princes of Joniland! > >Peace, >Susan > >NP: Diana Krall/ Besa Me Mucho >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:30:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The unambitious Canadian voice i missed that statement & i do understand what she is saying but i just wish she wouldn't say it in that way cuz it really dilutes her point...i know she has a tendency to generalize & that gets her into trouble... kakki >>Joni also said in the interview "I haven't heard a girl singer who wasn't trying way too hard in 20 years." and "I'd rather have it be emotionally correct than have some great vocal athlete tear it up on it."<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:23:03 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC I think she thought you were surprised that there could *actually* be a hot (sexy, attractive) lesbian in the room. (or anywhere for that matter) I did not take offense myself Will. SUSAN???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take care Bree >Susan > >This was not meant as an insult nor was this a backhanded anything! I have >quite a few lesbian friends who love it when I flirt with them because they >know I respect them and nothing will go beyond the flirting. I have found >that my lesbian friends that are paired up are probably the most >comfortable with this kind of playing around. I'm sorry you took offense to >it because if anything it was meant to flatter. I hope you were the only >one who took it this way, if not I know I'm going to get bombarded with >emails tomorrow. Is it the Hot part that you are disturbed about? I hope >you don't think that I can't find a woman attractive just because its >obvious she is a lesbian? I guess I'm not sure what actually bothered you. >Will > > > > > > >>From: Susan Guzzi >>To: William Chavez >>CC: joni@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC >>Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:08:18 -0800 (PST) >> >> >>--- William Chavez wrote: >> > >Anybody a Joan Armatrading fan? >> > >> > >> > She is great in concert!!!! >>It was just me in a sea of lesbians (and some of them were very HOT!) >> >>What a surprise! :-o You mean just like in a sea of straight women? ... >>"Some" of them are very >>hot. I just wondered. There are lesbians here too ya know. >> >>I know I said my last post was my last post, but I just couldn't pass up >>responding to this back >>handed compliment or insult. >> >>Peace, >>Susan >>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >>http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:51:56 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc Wilam Defoe is seriously one of my favorite actors, and the first person on my list of "sexy ugly" I love him......he's a tough sell to other people, most people do think he's scary, there's just something about him.... erica Kate wrote: neil was was cute in his younger days... walken & defoe- oh, too scarey! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:58:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: new Joni DVD There was a UK book from about a year ago, from the publishers of some music magazine. (Q?) Anyway, they posted a request here on the JMDL for info on the cover of THOSL, if I recall. I think they printed the demo cover and some text based on JMDL input and what they looked up in the STARART book. If they put the info on a DVD, like a photo gallery, I doubt that they got an interview out of Joni. She doesn't look back much. Lama - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Saw a brand new DVD release at the store called > "Under the Covers". The info > says artists explain what behind the covers of their > most famous recordings, > that the DVD has plenty of music, home videos, > rarities, etc. > Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of > 11 chapters are entitled: > Woodstock, Joni. > I couldn't find it at Amazon, has anybody seen it > yet and could tell us > whether this is any good? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:17:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc he is very good, otherwise he wouldn't be so scary...but i could never believe him as a credible jesus in Last Temptation of Christ... >>Wilam Defoe is seriously one of my favorite actors, and the first person on my list of "sexy ugly" I love him......he's a tough sell to other people, most people do think he's scary, there's just something about him.... erica ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:13:29 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: RE: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc I agree 100%, someone else should've played Jesus in that movie, it was definitely not thhe role he was born to play. Erica kate wrote: ...but i could never believe him as a credible jesus in Last Temptation of Christ... >>Wilam Defoe is seriously one of my favorite actors, and the first person on my list of "sexy ugly" I love him......he's a tough sell to other people, most people do think he's scary, there's just something about him.... erica _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC Will, Nothing I appreciate more than a man telling me how I should feel! Normally if someone is insulted by something I say, I just apologize and think before I open my mouth again. - --- Bree wrote: > I think she thought you were surprised that there could *actually* be a hot > (sexy, attractive) lesbian in the room. (or anywhere for that matter) EXACTLY BREE! I am not insulted that you find a lesbian attractive GEEZ! It's that you seem surprised that you do. As far as your flirting with your lesbian friends. A flirt is a flirt, it doesn't matter, a flirt - - flirts. I happen to be huge flirt, ask any woman in Chicago, for that matter around the country, and some men. LOL! sad but true! AND I would most definitely NOT be in your HOT category - - nor would I care to be. Still, men and women flirt with me. I may very well be the only one who took it this way or the only one who will admit it. I don't care, THIS is the way I feel. Too often in our society the invisible lesbian stays in the back ground, just not to make waves and tries to appease everyone. Clearly this is not my style. The latent stereotyping and bigotry is just as bad, cause it breeds and seeds more than an out right bigot. BY the way which pile would you put Joan Armatrading in the "lesbian" or with the "crazy black women" - Hmmm? Must say I would be insulted by your reference to "crazy black women" as well, were I black, WIll. Overall it wasn't that big a deal just wanted to point it out and let you know invisible or not WE ARE HERE! Seems recently someone here was taken to task for a racial reference - sound familiar? Still ... Peace, Susan - --- William Chavez wrote: > Susan > > This was not meant as an insult nor was this a backhanded anything! I have > quite a few lesbian friends who love it when I flirt with them because they > know I respect them and nothing will go beyond the flirting. I have found > that my lesbian friends that are paired up are probably the most comfortable > with this kind of playing around. I'm sorry you took offense to it because > if anything it was meant to flatter. I hope you were the only one who took > it this way, if not I know I'm going to get bombarded with emails tomorrow. > Is it the Hot part that you are disturbed about? I hope you don't think that > I can't find a woman attractive just because its obvious she is a lesbian? I > guess I'm not sure what actually bothered you. > Will > > > > > > > >From: Susan Guzzi > >To: William Chavez > >CC: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC > >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:08:18 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >--- William Chavez wrote: > > > >Anybody a Joan Armatrading fan? > > > > > > > > > She is great in concert!!!! > >It was just me in a sea of lesbians (and some of them were very HOT!) > > > >What a surprise! :-o You mean just like in a sea of straight women? ... > >"Some" of them are very > >hot. I just wondered. There are lesbians here too ya know. > > > >I know I said my last post was my last post, but I just couldn't pass up > >responding to this back > >handed compliment or insult. > > > >Peace, > >Susan Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:15:59 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: Dyan is gay, that's why... njc Is this what she said to herself in the dream or when she woke up and reflected back to it?? Don't get me started on Jewel....... Erica Bill wrote: The following quote from Jewel might offer insight as to why Dylan and Joni never hooked up... "Obviously Bob Dylan is gay if he's not interested in me. I mean, look at me! Who would have guessed that Dylan is a fag?" Jewel, telling the audience during a concert in Newark, N.J., about a dream she had in which Bob Dylan appeared but did not flirt with her (New York Post, Nov. 16) Bill _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:21:51 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: new Joni DVD In a message dated 12/4/2002 8:58:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > Artists include: JONI, CSN, America, etc. 2 out of 11 chapters are entitled: > Woodstock, Joni. > I couldn't find it at Amazon, has anybody seen it yet and > could tell us > whether this is any good? Laurent, this is the Henry Diltz CD-rom that's been discussed here from time to time. I haven't seen it, I think it was Randy who saw it and said the Joni bits were pretty cool. It's a constant item on E-Bay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1976755679 Hope that helps, Bob NP: Shawn, "Get Out Of This House" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:27:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: 2 Blue Questions #1 As Steve said, it is a microphone. There is a small B&W version of this photo on the PBS site at http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html #2 This scratchy distortion must be on the master tapes, as it has appeared on every version of "Blue" There are several examples of it on the album. I used to have a list of them all, but can't find it. There are 6 or 10 of them on various songs. My guess is that they were caused by a faulty mic preamp. They either went unnoticed, or they knew they were there, but the performances were so powerful they just decided to leave them in. RR > At 04:20 AM 12/4/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Greetings. > > > >1. on the cover of Blue, what's that on joni's chin? > >I've checked the archives, and someone has > >already asked this, but never got an answer. > > > > It's a microphone- or the reflection off of it. Remember, this is (almost) > a posterized pic of a (probable) Black & white shot. > > Don't know the answer to Q.#2. > > Steve > > >2. on the CD version, in the song "This Flight > >Tonight", there are 2 areas where there is a > >little scratchy distortion (one at around 1:14 > >where she sings "mythical", and another little one > >around "starbright, you got...". was this on the > >original vinyl, or have they done a bad job on > >the CD? > > > >-- james. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #541 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)