From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #540 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 540 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A word in defence of critics njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc [vince ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice ["kakki" ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc now Hunks of burning love? [Catheri] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc [Little Bird ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Llamas vs. alpacas, was Re: Goldie's "Carey" njc totally ["Jim L'Hommedie] Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC ["William Chavez" ] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc ["kakki" ] Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC [Susan Guzzi ] JM website ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Slouching Towards Bethlehem and Love on T'log! [Lazyasz@aol.com] Today in History: December 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: December 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)"] Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc ["kakki" ] Hemlogue VLJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:50:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A word in defence of critics njc --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > > If anyone is interested in investigating a truly > BRILLIANT and unique critic, > check out Nancy Banks-Smith, an undeclared national > treasure, who does telly > reviews for the Guardian. She can make me laugh out > loud, and is never > gratuitously nasty about programes or programme > makers. A link below shows a > good sample of her style, and I believe it works as > good writing even if you > didn't see the programmes (which I didn't). > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv_and_radio/story/0,3604,850170,00.html It is very good writing. I think she should write novels or comedy routines. It is very funny in that dry way that only British writers seem to be able to do so well. I wish I understood what the hell she was talking about. What is a panto? What is a skip? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:54:50 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc > > --- vince wrote: > > > > Well, on a White Sox forum that I belong to, one of > > > the Canadian members > > > has a tag attached to his email that says, "He's > > > not slow, he's Canadian," > > Too much cortisone We Canadians learned about that from the white sox too. > Right Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:53:50 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc I posted something meaning it to be tongue in cheek and thought by posting that two of my favorite singers are Canadian singers would indicate that. Obviously didn't work. I apologize to every member of the list, especially the Canadians without whom much of the joy in life would be missing. The point of humor that failed is based on that fact the US life is supposed to faster paced and more hectic than the slower paced, more relaxed Canadian life. Vince Catherine McKay wrote: > --- vince wrote: > > >>Well, on a White Sox forum that I belong to, one of >>the Canadian members >>has a tag attached to his email that says, "He's >>not slow, he's Canadian," >> >> >> > >I *so* don't get that. Is it because I'm Canadian? or >what? > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:05:59 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc Okay Vince if you ever want to explain blasphemy to your congregation - JUST SHOW THEM THIS LIST! > > Vince > Of my big 5 musical favorites: > Beatles - British > Joni Mitchell - Canadian > Neil Young - Canadian > Janis Joplin - US > Eminem - US<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > does that help? Oh my I'm getting faint! Pass me the Wild Turkey please! I still love you Vince, but you do make it hard. LOL! Peace, Susan NP: Sara McLachlan/Ice Cream Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:06:08 -0500 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski njc "Golden Eggs" Guzzi writes: << And you know there may be more - as I think of them! >> Ah hem . . . - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski njc But of course I was only speaking of my favorite females as there is but ONE male in my view honey! And remember as Joan Armatrading says, "I may look over my shoulder, but I will never leave your side." Peace, Susan NP: Joan Armatrading/Down to Zero (HURRY!) - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > "Golden Eggs" Guzzi writes: > > << And you know there may be more - as I think of them! >> > > Ah hem . . . > > --Bob Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:38:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: From Yahoo News >>The footage captures not only Mitchell's performances with a 70-piece orchestra, but also behind-the-scenes discussions and even a fire at the studio that almost destroyed the master tapes for the album.<< whoa, i've had/heard some stressful stories of recording disasters but this one could have been awful...thank goodness the tapes were okay ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:35:59 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc I love that Vince loves Eminem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It cracks me up how much crap he gets for it :)) - -Erica Susan wrote: Okay Vince if you ever want to explain blasphemy to your congregation - JUST SHOW THEM THIS LIST! > > Vince > Of my big 5 musical favorites: > Beatles - British > Joni Mitchell - Canadian > Neil Young - Canadian > Janis Joplin - US > Eminem - US<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > does that help? Oh my I'm getting faint! Pass me the Wild Turkey please! I still love you Vince, but you do make it hard. LOL! Peace, Susan NP: Sara McLachlan/Ice Cream _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:48:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc neil was was cute in his younger days... walken & defoe- oh, too scarey! >>Yeah, but Neil Young is uuuuuuuugly! And scary-looking. Not even remotely sexy.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:58:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A word in defence of critics njc >>let's not forget, are being paid good money to watch films, listen to records and so on - so not too much sympathy for them!<< actually the ones i know don't get paid very well but they do get lots of perks...free concerts & cds, etc! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:55:18 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice Andrew, Great thoughts and I think you make a good point about hearing a truer, more plaintive delivery from many of the Canadian singers. Another Canadian artist who sings "unambitiously" is Diana Krall. Not so sure where k.d. laing fits in. I kind of think that really is her natural voice - she seems to pull it off so effortlessly. Some rare singers are gifted with both emotional verity and technical virtuosity. Joni also said in the interview "I haven't heard a girl singer who wasn't trying way too hard in 20 years." and "I'd rather have it be emotionally correct than have some great vocal athlete tear it up on it." I enjoy both kinds of singers but the ones who are "emotionally correct" are usually the ones who impress me the most long term. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:09:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc Like I told Vince a minute ago, I wasn't offended. I was just razzing him with my smart-ass answer. As if I haven't made my share of snarky remarks about United Statesians. I could have put one of these ;) after it, but I kind of forgot. As far as Joni's comment about "ambitious" or "unambitious" voices are concerned, I agree with whoever said (something like) she probably meant it as those who try too hard, in an obvious way, as opposed to those who are natural. Certainly Canadians don't have a monopoly on unambitious voices. The sad fact is that today we have foisted upon us those singers who emote too much. There is certainly plenty of natural (even raw) talent out there; likewise, there are singers with lots of training who are also completely natural and you'd believe every word they sing. Unfortunately, the common people (for lack of a better expression) seem to prefer the brassy, over-emotiveness of the Celine Dions, the Mariah Careys and a whole flock of ever-younger singers who are more like performing seals jumping over vocal hoops than creative entities. It does make you wonder who's running the insane asylum. Do people buy that stuff because they really like it? or because they're not given much else to choose from? or because it's just easier? In a society where people want to appear cool and cynical, is it not ironic that our singers overdo the (phony) emotion? I could go on, but I'm too tired right now and I'm starting to bore myself, which is usually a good sign that it's time to just shaddap and move on. --- vince wrote: > I posted something meaning it to be tongue in cheek > and thought by > posting that two of my favorite singers are Canadian > singers would > indicate that. Obviously didn't work. I apologize > to every member of > the list, especially the Canadians without whom much > of the joy in life > would be missing. > > The point of humor that failed is based on that fact > the US life is > supposed to faster paced and more hectic than the > slower paced, more > relaxed Canadian life. > > Vince > > > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > --- vince wrote: > > > > >>Well, on a White Sox forum that I belong to, one > of > >>the Canadian members > >>has a tag attached to his email that says, "He's > >>not slow, he's Canadian," > >> > >> > >> > > > >I *so* don't get that. Is it because I'm Canadian? > or > >what? > > > > > >===== > >Catherine > >Toronto > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > > >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:11:57 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski njc --- Susan Guzzi wrote: > But of course I was only speaking of my favorite > females as there is but ONE male in my view > honey! And remember as Joan Armatrading says, "I > may look over my shoulder, but I will never > leave your side." > > Wow, are you smooth or what! You could run a workshop on the Art of Smooth, Guzzi! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc Nope. He was always ugly. He has a brow-ridge, for God's sake! LOL. --- Kate Bennett wrote: > neil was was cute in his younger days... > walken & defoe- oh, too scarey! > > >>Yeah, but Neil Young is uuuuuuuugly! And > scary-looking. Not even remotely sexy.<< ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:22:18 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc njc > "Erica L. Trudelle" wrote: > > > He's "sexy ugly", like Wilam Defoe,or everyone in the Rolling Stones.. > > Now HERE'S a thread! > I'd add Christopher Walken to that list. Many of my friends think Ed > Harris is a dog, but I think he's hot. > > Jerry Woody Harrelson does it for me! Ed Harris too! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:29:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc --- Catherine McKay wrote: > >I could go on, but I'm > too > tired right now and I'm starting to bore myself, > which > is usually a good sign that it's time to just > shaddap > and move on. > OK, I lied. I'm gonna say more. Get over it. Some singers are way too laid-back for my liking too, Anne Murray being the prime example of someone who annoys the crap out of me because she always sounds too anemic and mellow. I want to give her a good jab in the ribs and tell her to spark it up a little. So, she's at one extreme, and Celine and her ilk are at the other. (How ironic they should both be Canadian.) I'm also thinking (on the over-emotive side) of singers like the various members of Destiny's Child, taken together or as singularities. They may have good voices, but their songs are so over-produced and there's too much vocal acrobatics and not enough genuineness in their material. Maybe they're too young. Maybe if they can make it through the next few years and just grow up instead of overdoing the drugs and foolishness and turning into Liz Taylor or Diana Ross, they can come through that. I probably speak heresy here, but what the hell; Diana Krall sounds to me like she could use iron pills or something most of the time - and yet there are times she nails it. I'm not sure if the voice matters all that much, but you have to believe the person who's singing. You have to believe they mean every word of it. You don't need to ham it up and yet some "big" singers sound genuine to me - the one that springs immediately to mind is Patti Lupone who is a BIG, BROADWAY BIG, singer, and yet she can convince me that she IS the character she's singing, but I also hear her sense of humour through the whole thing; whereas Babs has gone way too far over to the Liz Taylor side and takes herself too seriously ("Worship me! I am La Streisand!") She was a lot of fun when she did comedy, but now everything has to be a BIG PRODUCTION, and it has gotten tired. On the other hand, she has also taken a lot of flak for being "arrogant" and a whole bunch of other adjectives that have been used to describe Joan. Ultimately I suppose we hear what we want to hear. I believe Joni prefers Billie to Ella, because Billie is *real*. I, on the other hand, enjoy Billie but feel sorry for her all the time; and I prefer Ella. A chacun son gout. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:31:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc No worries Vince, I know where your heart lies ;-) I am not offended whatsoever!! I will have to have a word with our Andrew in Ottawa though. I was surprised by the ambitious/unambitious comment with respect to Canadian singers. Now that's enough to get my blood boiling...(damned short fused canadian women and another scorpion at that) ha. and speaking of heat... I wouldnt mind a little warmth considering the damned temperatures here tonight.. so much for moving to ESC (extremely southern canada). ahem. move over honeyboi, icicle feet are comin to bed ;-) heheeee (good thing he really really loves me). the ice queen. ;-) vince wrote:Andrew Little Bird wrote: >I wonder what it is about Canada that seems to spawn singers who are vocally "unambitious" - > Well, on a White Sox forum that I belong to, one of the Canadian members has a tag attached to his email that says, "He's not slow, he's Canadian," Ok Mags, now you get to beat the shit out of me for that but Andrew started it! Vince Of my big 5 musical favorites: Beatles - British Joni Mitchell - Canadian Neil Young - Canadian Janis Joplin - US Eminem - US does that help? You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:36:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, now lyle lovett njc now Hunks of burning love? --- Mark or Travis wrote: > njc > Woody Harrelson does it for me! Ed Harris too! > Woody Harrelson creeps me out. So does Matthew McConoughey (sp??) There's something smarmy about them, IMO; they're so "good-old-boy-ish" that I want to slap them. Jack Nicolson gives me nightmares, but he was kinda cute when he was young (I mean, like 30 years ago!) Recently he looks like the "before" picture in any ad trying to show how product X can change you from THIS (yecchh!) to THAT (yummy.) (As in, BEFORE I tried Jack's Embalming Oil, I looked like THIS (IWWW! Gross! Get it outta here!)" and so on. On the other hand, I do like Ed Harris. He has nice chiselled features, and those sparkly kind of eyes, and he projects integrity. That's a sexy combination IMO. Not a scintilla of smarm. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:57:37 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc - --- Mags N Brei wrote: > I will have to have a word with our Andrew in Ottawa > though. I was surprised by the ambitious/unambitious > comment with respect to Canadian singers. Now that's > enough to get my blood boiling... Twas not *I* who categorized singers as being ambitious or unambitious, twas Joni who led me astray. Why am I saying "twas" you ask? Because I'm a slow Canadian who is too lazy to write "it was." Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:13:00 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni /Judy & men falling asleep-common dilemma >Perhaps because Dylan FELL ASLEEP the first time Joni played Court and >Spark for him??? Despite being a guy, I have to sympathize with Joni. It almost seems like a woman's curse (men falling asleep on them). Will Hey, I thought that Joni and Judy were good friends or is this something of the past(60's and 70's)? While I think Judy is one of the best interpreter is the business, I must say that the two Mitchell cuts on that album (Wildflowers) are probably her weakest interpretations. The album as a whole is incredible and you can almost say that she is more of a pioneer than Joni at putting pop songs in an orchestral format. Still, I've always found that Judy's version of BSN was too "up" on this record. I like it but I think Joni's is much better. Additionally, I find that the other Mitchell cut on this album (the beautiful Michael from Mountains)sounds too much like she is doing "Peter and the Wolf". It's a good solid version but it's not definitive. I also like Joni's version better. The rest of this album is FLAWLESS!!! Collins is the ultimate L.Cohen interpreter! She does 3 Cohen songs here. Jennifer Warnes is great but I think Judy is better. I got a great picture of Joni and Judy up in Joni's tree house playing guitar. Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:15:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: A JMDL Thanksgiving Where else but in the world of the JMDL could you get pumpkin pie that was home made in Salt Lake City for dessert in Vancouver, B.C. Canada? Now who could pull off a trick like that? Ashara, of course! The poor dear spent 18 hours getting from Boston to Vancouver and had a lay over in SLC. But the mistress of Jonifest has connections in every port it seems, and Pie Baker Extraoridinaire Allison came to her rescue. Took her home and gave her a home made pumpkin pie to carry to Stephen's place to be our dessert on U. S. Thanksgiving Day. What can I say? The food was delicious, the music was great and the company just doesn't get any better. Stephen was the perfect host, making Travis & I feel right at home in his 7th floor apartment that overlooks Stanley Park. We had a leisurely dinner starting with artichokes prepared to perfection by Stephen and then a yummy rosemary pasta dish that called for *four whole large red onions* that my separated-at-birth twin sister, Ashara whipped up, using the pasta maker she had brought with her all the way from Boston! This was a transcontinental meal, let me tell you! Between courses we would adjourn to the living room for more music and conversation and then Stephen stepped onto the lanai to prepare the piece de resistance - marinated sea bass cooked on the grill. Scrumptious! We were about to do dessert when Stephen commented that we had skipped the salad! Well I insisted that the salad be served! And I'm glad I did because it was not to be missed. Finally we had the pie topped with whipped cream and my hat is off to you, Allison. It was delicious and I am forever in your debt, Allison. I can live without turkey at Thanksgiving (especially when the food was SO good) but no pumpkin pie would have been a REAL hardship. Thank you for rescuing Ashara and for sending the pie our way, Sweetie! Friday we were very lazy and didn't get out of the apartment till around noon. We went to the Virgin Megastore in downtown Vancouver. I bought 3 cds. I won't tell you how many Ashara bought! After that it was lunch at a wonderful Chinese restaurant that Stephen suggested that must have had 4 or 5 different menus on the table. So that our dear Ashara could join in the fun of sharing, we each ordered a different vegetarian dish. I think I can safely say that she was delighted and the rest of us were as well. The things they can do with tofu! After that, Travis & I went on our way to continue our Canadian holiday on our own. The time passed so quickly. It was wonderful to get some good one on one time with my Sis and to meet and spend time with Stephen. This community is an incredible world all its own and it is so neat to be a part of it! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:32:41 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >Bob >NP: Judy Collins, "Since You've Asked" God I love this song! I even doctored up the piano sheet music for this song to include the clarinet part that was missing. Will _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:45:52 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc >Some singers are way too laid-back for my liking too, >Anne Murray being the prime example of someone who >annoys the crap out of me because she always sounds >too anemic and mellow. Yeah..I just want to put a bag over her head. She is a very nice person...but.....sleep time. Anne is the female Perry Como. >I probably speak heresy here, but what the hell; Diana >Krall sounds to me like she could use iron pills or >something most of the time - and yet there are times >she nails it. Dems fighin words! She always nails it for me..but it is all about personal taste. Oh..I was discussing Krall's voice with that women that hails from Chicago way..that will soon lay those golden eggs..anyway...it is the way Diana sustains those notes..that makes her voice so appealing. For some strange reason..I think of DK being born state side. Kakki mentioned her being Canadian..I thought.. oh..yeah. I much prefer the underambitious singer..but then I think of the great opera singers...and they can be very appealing too. >I'm not sure if the voice matters all >that much, but you have to believe the person who's >singing. You have to believe they mean every word of >it. Yes...if you can "own" the song that is everything! Loose yourself to the the song...that's the trick. >A chacun son gout. Will you need surgery for this? OR will something from over the counter do? Bree > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:01:15 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >Strange that Dan Fogelberg should be brought up here. Sadly, like >Joni, >his voice has suffered over time. Unlike Joni, Dan has openly > >acknowledged that the damage done is mostly due to a 30 year smoking > >habit, of course combined with advancing age. Also unlike Joni, he >quit >several years ago, and his voice is the better for it. I saw Dan do it solo a few years ago and he is an incredible musician. Like Lindsey Buckingham, Todd Rudgren and a few others, there isn't an instrument he can't tackle. The only downer was hearing him try to hit the high parts to "In the Morning" off of his first album(this is one of my all time fave Dan albums). He had a difficult time with it 'cause he tried to sing it just like the record. I find this to be a common problem with male singers. They are so preoccupied with exploring their higher range and it renders them incapable of singing their early material once they've aged. Dan has an uncharacteristically high range and being a man he was most definite going to lose it at some point. It probably would have happened even if he hadn't been a smoker. More men should get into exploring their lower register earlier in their careers. Then you run into problems in a live setting 'cause it's really difficult to get the low voices to be heard over the music. I guess there is no easy way around it. Have any of you guys ever heard "Wisteria" off of his first album. The classical guitar lead is beautiful!! I'm not a woman and I'm not gay but when you here this song it almost makes you want have this guys baby. Pure emotion! (Note:That was over twenty years ago and after the 4 minutes was over I soon came back to my senses.)Hee, Hee. Will _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:06:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Llamas vs. alpacas, was Re: Goldie's "Carey" njc totally Thanks Catherine! Fine! Throw alpacas in my face. AGAIN! We llamas have always lived under the shadow of those fuzzy alpacas. You know what the best part of an alpaca? The coat. That's all they have going for them. I say it's just too bad you don't have to actually terminate the darned things to get the coat. No, they live ON and ON. It's not like they do an honest day's work, hauling packs like we llamas. They just chew their curd, smile for the girls, and get shorn once in awhile. Ah! Those alpacas have it soft! Don't get me started.... again! Lama Catherine McKay said, > Llamas are OK, > but alpacas are cuter. Lama wished: >> Isn't there a nice straight >> girl somewhere who likes >> llamas? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:36:07 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC >Anybody a Joan Armatrading fan? She is great in concert!!!! Definitely an aquired taste though. I don't know if there were any other guys there but I don't think I saw them. It was just me in a sea of lesbians (and some of them were very HOT!) It kind of reminded me when I saw Barry White. Again, I was seriously outnumbered. It was just me, the lonely white guy, in a sea of crazy black women. And they were really going absolutely CRAZY over Barry. Talk about using your lower register. He is pretty incredible but I don't think I'm interested in having his baby.(Hee, Hee) Will _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:50:55 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: A JMDL Thanksgiving AWWWWW shucks Mark! I certainly can't say it any better. This list will never cease to amaze me! Great to meet the two of you and spend time together w/Ashara. And Alison, the pie was ALMOST as good as your apple one! Thank you so. w/love, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting Mark or Travis : " Where else but in the world of the JMDL could you get pumpkin pie that was home made in Salt Lake City for dessert in Vancouver, B.C. Canada? Now who could pull off a trick like that?" "the music was great and the company just doesn't get any better." " The time passed so quickly. It was wonderful to get some good one on one time with my Sis and to meet and spend time with Stephen. This community is an incredible world all its own and it is so neat to be a part of it!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc I promise this is my last post of the day. Catherine Said: > >I probably speak heresy here, but what the hell; Diana > >Krall sounds to me like she could use iron pills or > >something most of the time - and yet there are times > >she nails it. > I knew you were gonna be in trouble here Catherine. I was counting the seconds till Bree would post. Bree roared: > Dems fighin words! She always nails it for me..but it is all about personal > taste. Oh..I was discussing Krall's voice with that women that hails from > Chicago way..that will soon lay those golden eggs..anyway...it is the way > Diana sustains those notes..that makes her voice so appealing. > Diana has this kind of "f*** me if you want to - I'll be here writing out the grocery list in the mean time and during" kind of attitude or style when she sings. It's a little cold and aloof. I HAVE over-posted today. But I know what I mean. Not much foreplay and then she just goes & gets the job done. Personally, being a bit more emotional person, I also find I sing that way. And choose songs, normally, I can sing fairly even but that have that big finish or kick. Much like Phoebe Snow does, Dinah Washington did this as well somewhat. This goes to selling the song ... in my opinion. I would like, Krall Master Bree, if I may say ths one thing, to hear Diana do this a bit more. It's just a personal choice, and I think it is where she falls a tad short for me. > > >I'm not sure if the voice matters all that much, but you have to believe the person who's singing. You have to believe they mean every word of > >it. > > > Yes...if you can "own" the song that is everything! Loose yourself to the > the song...that's the trick. > Yes and somehow Diana still pulls this off - for the most part. The voice matters, in that it has to stand out and carry it all. But I love the clear as a bell voice as much as the raspy growlers. It just depends what other ingredients are there for me. > > >A chacun son gout. > > Will you need surgery for this? OR will something from over the counter do? > This may be the freakin funniest thing you ever said Bree! I don't know why but it's totally got me laughing and snorkling! I can't even look at the freakin screen! I have definitely been on line much too long today. Good Night You Princesses and Princes of Joniland! Peace, Susan NP: Diana Krall/ Besa Me Mucho Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:50:59 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Helen Hunt/leli soebiski (little bit o' jc) colin@tantra-apso.com writes: >Does anyone know if Helen Hunt has bred a daughter? Or was she cloned? >There is a new actor on the block called Leili Soebiski(sp?) and she not >only looks like Helen Hunt but speaks and moves like her. Yes, it's uncanny. LeeLee Sobiesky (correct spelling) has actually been around on TV and movies for almost 10 years. You know the old joke (which isn't really a joke in that it's true more often than not, and, for the subject in question, not that funny) about the four stages of an actor's career (applies to musicians, too, hence Jewel, Tori, etc. "Joni's daughters") -- Who's Helen Hunt? Get me Helen Hunt! Get me a young Helen Hunt! Who's Helen Hunt? LeeLee Sobiesky is the young Helen Hunt. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:54:01 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A JMDL Thanksgiving > And Alison, the pie was ALMOST as good as your apple one! Thank you so. > And I misspelled Alison's name throughout that entire post. I am SO sorry, Alison.... Sheepishly (no cracks!) Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:59:45 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc Bree wrote: > For some strange reason..I think of DK being born state side. Kakki > mentioned her being Canadian..I thought.. oh..yeah. She was born and grew up in Nainamo, Vancouver Island, B.C. but went on a scholarship to Berklee College of Music in Boston in '81 and lived in New York through the '90s so maybe she's a little more Statesian now. Don't know if you knew this, but she was Larry Klein's girlfriend for a bit a few years ago and there was an interview with Joni saying how much she approved of him finding such "a nice Canadian girl." ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading/Barry White NJC - --- William Chavez wrote: > >Anybody a Joan Armatrading fan? > > > She is great in concert!!!! It was just me in a sea of lesbians (and some of them were very HOT!) What a surprise! :-o You mean just like in a sea of straight women? ... "Some" of them are very hot. I just wondered. There are lesbians here too ya know. I know I said my last post was my last post, but I just couldn't pass up responding to this back handed compliment or insult. Peace, Susan Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:18:53 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: PBS special in May 03 is on track. I really like the "look" of this URL! USA's Public Broadcast System (PBS, eh?) has some web space reserved for Joni's rightful place in the "American Masters" series, coming May 2003. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html The space is minimal right now but suggests: "Watch this space in May 2003 for upcoming features, including essays, film clips, filmmaker interview, and an interactive timeline." You can bookmark it now or bookmark it later.......... I guess it's another reason to look forward to Spring, although I'll have lots of great NEW MUSIC to enjoy over the next few months! "PazFest", JoniFest-NE-02, "October Road", "Travelogue". Sweet! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:36:30 -0700 From: Sarah Gibb Subject: Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself bank details Hi everyone, The Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself Fund now has a bank account with the CIBC for donations. (CIBC stands for the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.) For those outside Canada, the full number you need is 00018-010-4220439. The first five digits are the transit number, the second three are the sort code, and the last seven digits are the account number. The name of the account is Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself. For those inside Canada, you can go to any CIBC branch and ask to transfer money to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, main branch, Saskatoon. Anyone who wants to send a check or money order, made payable to Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself, can send to: Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself CIBC 201-21st Street East Saskatoon, SK S7K 0B8 Canada Please note that committee members are not taking any expenses for administrative costs. We hope you'll all support this effort to get public recognition and a permanent tribute in Saskatoon for Joni Mitchell. You might also be interested to know that all public statues in Saskatoon are currently of men, and mostly sportsmen. There is not a single statue of a woman, even though the city has produced a giant of a woman like Joni Mitchell. We hope to rectify this with your help. Best, Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:58:46 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: JM website Once in a while in a big blue moon, I can't access the official page but never for more than 2 days in a row. It sounds like somewhere along the chain of servers between Oz and JJ, one of them has no idea how to "resolve" the domain name. If I recall my networking classes correctly, all of the backbone servers have "roadmaps", references to access (in a blink usually). They provide a domain name and get back an IP address. Then they use the IP address to "find" the page. The IP address is an ever more specific series of numbers, unique on the planet, specifying first a series of backbone servers, then the address of the actual processor that "has" the page. In some cases pages are stored or cached in several places. It could be that your ISP is trying to access a cache that doesn't exist anymore but they should be getting an error message _and_ _acting_ _on_ _it_ to remap the domain. Anyway, there may be a way to look up the physical IP address of JJ's ISP but then I suspect the new problem would be that the chain of servers wouldn't know how to resolve the IP address. I'm forwarding your question on to Les I. and Chris M. cause they seem to have the biggest "geek" credentials around here. In a separate email, I'm sending 1. the welcoming screen on the official web page, jonimitchell.com 2. the "News" section that's just inside the welcome screen, and 3. The essential essay on the official page. Of course I'm speaking of "Our Lady Of Duality", written by some wannabe in Northern Kentucky, USA. See ya soon, Lama Our own Helen in New Zealand (Hell to her buds) wrote: >>>>>>Is anyone else having difficulty accessing www.jonimitchell.com? I've been trying for months, both here at home, and using my work PC (networked, so much faster) with no success. It keeps telling me the server is down, or the connection has timed out :o( Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:01:30 EST From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Slouching Towards Bethlehem and Love on T'log! I think these are my two favorites from the new album. Both are very epic, yet in different ways. "If I had the gift of prophecy, all knowledge, and the faith to move the mountains; Even if I understood all of the mysteries, without love, i'd be nothing..." This song is just gorgeous. The intro reminds me of Ben-Hur for some reason. Pure transcendence. "Slouching Towards Bethlehem to be born..." Can we say powerful! I felt like I was in some film from Hollywood's Golden Age. Almost reminds me of Moses and the Red Sea. In fact I love all three of the WTRF tracks on here. Makes me want to get the album now...lol Damien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:04:17 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: December 4 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Forum de Montreal in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" was certified gold by the RIAA. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 02:04:17 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 4 On December 4 the following item was published: 1996: "Mitchell Looks For Daughter" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=895 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:14:13 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? A painter can forgive anyone except one who never BRUSHES. Confucious, an honorary Llama See? It's a pun. A painter uses brushes and...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:18:16 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: The unambitious Canadian voice njc I thought Andrew's list of "unambitious" Canadian singers was meant in a way to give himself (and all Canadians) a collective pat on your parka-covered Canadian backs, Mags, for having such a surplus of naturally beautiful-voiced artists up there! ;-) Seriously, I thought it was a bit of proud praise and not at all a put-down! Kakki, ambitious imitator of Joni, Buffy St. Marie and even Gordon Lightfoot in her day! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:31:42 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Hemlogue VLJC I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you have not seen it yet. True? Mike in Barcleona said, >>>>>>>> Why does this dialogue (no prizes for identifying it) spring to mind whenever I hear yet another comment about the mind-blowing packaging of Travelogue? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #540 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)