From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #537 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 537 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Interview in W ["kakki" ] Travelogue - it's come, it's come, it's here ["Mickey Morose" ] The three great sycophants, short ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Goldie's "Carey" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Drawing ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] True story taped at the White House?, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] NJC Looking for a llama-lover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: muller looks like... njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Trouble Man [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's Interview in W [Catherine McKay ] Re: Travelogue - it's come, it's come, it's here now njc [Catherine McKay] Re: i wonder what....njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Goldie's "Carey" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Drawing [Catherine McKay ] NJC Looking for a llama-lover [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC Looking for a llama-lover [Catherine McKay ] Re: muller looks like... njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: muller looks like... njc [FMYFL@aol.com] six feet under NJC [colin ] Re: NJC Looking for a llama-lover [colin ] Re: T'log Billboard review ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #370 [WARREN901@aol.com] re: T packaging [Bruce Kimerer ] Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] t'log finally arrived.... [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] nashville njc [vince ] The W Magazine Interview [Les Irvin ] RE: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? ["Lori Fye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:03:14 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Interview in W Thanks Les (and Catherine) What I thought was great is that the article is not *all* about her same old rant on the music biz and the interviewer comments on Joni's remarks along the way to at least try to put them in the context that she is not coming off as a arrogant (b)witch in tone, but is "refreshing, articulate, insightful, funny, jolly, and cheerful." Also was happily surprised to hear Joni saying how much she loved Robert Downey Jr.'s "River" and her singling out of Bjork and Norah Jones - "I like her because I don't hear ambition in her voice." Neat. A little surprised at the slight swipes at Judy Collins and Streisand, too! Some new material here and finally an interview that shows the reader a little bit more of Joni's funny, sweet and quirky side. Kakki NP: Be Cool (the new version -whoo hoo) > It's here for all to read in PDF format. > http://www.jmdl.com/typing/0212w.pdf > (Catherine McKay is currently typing it for the Library) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:57:44 +0000 From: "Mickey Morose" Subject: Travelogue - it's come, it's come, it's here I am expecting Travelogue to arrive tomorrow I have already listened to the MP3 files. I think they are great but the backing musicians are a little muffled, but that will be sorted with the higher quality yes?. Anyway I hope it comes anyway I think I got a good price #12.99 (approx $20.20) This is already a delayed delivery so here's hoping. This wait is Killing me :-) Hope You're all enjoying your copies!! Cheers, Paul Headon Wales Its come, its come My Travelogue has come Its come, its come, its here At last, the lonely days have gone. I ordered mine on cd-wow too and what a bargain - it is fantastic. such artistry, such insight, such verve. A gift, for which much thats, quomb. Haven't actually had a chance to listen to it yet, you understand, but who cares - I'm licking my lips thinking about it and admiring the artwork and packaging. Love's a repetitious danger You'd think I'd grow accustomed to Well I do accept the changes At least better than I used to. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:58:01 +0000 From: "Mickey Morose" Subject: Travelogue - it's come, it's come, it's here I am expecting Travelogue to arrive tomorrow I have already listened to the MP3 files. I think they are great but the backing musicians are a little muffled, but that will be sorted with the higher quality yes?. Anyway I hope it comes anyway I think I got a good price #12.99 (approx $20.20) This is already a delayed delivery so here's hoping. This wait is Killing me :-) Hope You're all enjoying your copies!! Cheers, Paul Headon Wales Its come, its come My Travelogue has come Its come, its come, its here At last, the lonely days have gone. I ordered mine on cd-wow too and what a bargain - it is fantastic. such artistry, such insight, such verve. A gift, for which much thanks, quomb. Haven't actually had a chance to listen to it yet, you understand, but who cares - I'm licking my lips thinking about it and admiring the artwork and packaging. Love's a repetitious danger You'd think I'd grow accustomed to Well I do accept the changes At least better than I used to. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:27:06 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Joni's Interview in W agreeing with kakki, here. i just finished reading this article after passing up the chance earlier on. i've had a gutfull of some of the harshness expressed in joni's name and appearing in articles. so often i'm left with the notion that i'm reading more about the interviewer than the interviewee and also sensing the 'sell' rather than any message. reading this i have a much clearer and more plausible impression of the woman who's work means so much to me. in this piece i particularly liked that she picks up on the robert downey (ali mcbeal) and frances conroy (six feet under) 'performances'. i like that it matters to her and that she doesn't come off as too cool to acknowledge. after all these years i'm still pleased to be reassured in this way. and i love the bit about her 'sunday boys'....wanna be in that gang!! anyhoo, back to monday and work. later les (london, still t'log-less..maybe it'll be in the post tonight) - -----Original Message----- From: kakki [mailto:kakkib@vzavenue.net] What I thought was great is that the article is not *all* about her same old rant ... ..... but is "refreshing, articulate, insightful, funny, jolly, and cheerful." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:18:34 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: i wonder what....njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > jerry notaro and vince look like? > w Ben Affleck and George Clooney. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:26:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: The three great sycophants, short Chronic depression. Bingo. Now mercifully under control thanks to reeeeeealy good drugs and the fellowship of the JMDL. Lama BTW, that was a clever subject line, little bird/Andrew. Joni said, >>>>>>> She said if a white, straight man did get >>>>>>> her music it's because he had been >>>>>>> somehow screwed by the system, cheated >>>>>>> of happiness and love, or probably >>>>>>> suffers from consistent depression. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:33:38 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: muller looks like... njc Wally K writes: << bob murphy looks like a damaged version of russ tumblyn >> And Wally looks like a fatter, more lecherous version of Lucciano Pavaroti. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:36:10 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: i wonder what....njc >Wally Kairuz asked: > >jerry notaro and vince look like? > > > >Jerry Notaro answered: > >Ben Affleck and George Clooney. > > > True. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:37:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Goldie's "Carey" Catherine, the traitor, McKay said, >>>>>> I beg to differ. Muller is much better looking than DeNiro. >>>>>> Sheee-it. Muller gets the girl. Again. Same as it ever was. :) Isn't there a nice straight girl somewhere who likes llamas? Lama PS, She doesn't even have to be "nice". :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:45:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Drawing Jesus Christ, Mags! We have to get you a green card so you can get a job! Lama, who's enjoying his inner-city apartment now that the upstairs neighbor has moved out. Now I can listen to the live version of "Cadillac Ranch" at full volume at 8:40 AM !! HELL YEAAAAAH-SSS!! ' CADILLAC!!!!!!! CADILLAC!!!!!!! LONG DOORS, SHINY AND BLACK!!!!!!! OPEN UP THEM ENGINES LET EM ROAR!!!!!!! TEARIN UP THE HIGHWAY LIKE A BIG OL DINOSAUR !!!!!!! ' Mags, you wrote: >>>>> ... i love drawing with pencils...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:37:17 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: True story taped at the White House?, NJC >> > By James Sherman >> > >> > (We take you now to the Oval Office.) >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Condi! Nice to see you. What's happening? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Great. Lay it on me. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Hu is the new leader of China. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: That's what I want to know. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: That's what I'm telling you. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Yes. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: I mean the fellow's name. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Hu. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: The guy in China. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Hu. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: The new leader of China. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Hu. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: The Chinaman! >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Hu is leading China. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Now whaddya' asking me for? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: That's the man's name. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: That's who's name? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Yes. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader of >> > China? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Yes, sir. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in the >> > >> > Middle >> > >> > East. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: That's correct. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Then who is in China? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Yes, sir. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Yassir is in China? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: No, sir. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Then who is? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Yes, sir. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Yassir? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: No, sir. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of >> > >> > China. Get me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Kofi? >> > >> > >> > >> > George: No, thanks. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: You want Kofi? >> > >> > >> > >> > George: No. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: You don't want Kofi. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk. >> > >> > And then get me the U.N. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Yes, sir. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Kofi? >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Milk! Will you please make the call? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: And call who? >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Who is the guy at the U.N? >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Hu is the guy in China. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Will you stay out of China?! >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Yes, sir. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the >> > >> > U.N. >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Kofi. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone. >> > >> > >> > >> > (Condi picks up the phone.) >> > >> > >> > >> > Condi: Rice, here. >> > >> > >> > >> > George: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. Maybe we >> > >> > should send some to the guy in China. And the Middle East. Can you >> > >> > get Chinese food in the Middle East? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:52:53 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Objective Listening It's Friday night. As I put T on for the 1st time and try to remain objective, I can't help recalling all that's being said on this list for the past couple of months. Please forgive me if I make up a word or two or if I forget a couple. Basically, if one dislikes Joni, now it's easier than ever to pick on her: She totally lost her voice, is short breathed, has a raspy voice. She pollutes non-smokers. She just did a cheesy "background" music CD redux soup. She's impossible to stay married with. She has lied to the press one more time by saying she'd quit a trillion times. Her guitar playing sounds the same all over. She talks too much and repeats herself. She lost her edge. She wears dresses that make her look fat, etc. Yet we love her, SIQUOMB isn't she? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:09:52 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Looking for a llama-lover <> Jim, they should! Dig this excerpt from a published book about llamas... "Training The intelligence of the llama, combined with its good memory, makes it an enjoyable animal to train. As noted llama trainer Bobra Goldsmith often points out, somewhere around the fourth time that you show a llama what you are asking of it, it catches on. And in many instances, that's all you have to do. The llama will remember. That's quite different from the number of times I've had to tell a dog to heel or sit before it would reliably do it! " See ladies, you'll only need to tell him FOUR times! Hope this helps Jim, and good luck with your marketing campaign...;~) Bob NP: The Clash, "The Right Profile" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:18:25 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: muller looks like... njc Who is Russ Tumblyn and why can't I read any of your posts Wally? ........oh and Muller looks like Muller (which is a compliment) Jimmy In a message dated 12/2/2002 8:34:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Wally K writes: > > << bob murphy looks like a damaged version of russ tumblyn >> > > And Wally looks like a fatter, more lecherous version of Lucciano Pavaroti. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:22:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Trouble Man --- Little Bird wrote: > Oh my god! I must have this! Tomorrow's after-work > excursion solved in one click of the Inbox... > THANKS! > > > Joni recorded a wonderful "Trouble Man" for Kyle > > Eastwood's 1998 album > > "From There to Here." It is an excellent album. You can't go wrong with it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Interview in W --- kakki wrote: > I finally got around to reading Joni's interview in > W magazine this weekend > and thought it was one of her most wonderful from > both the interviewer and > interviewee perspective. Is anyone currently > transcribing this article? I > may put up a few choice excerpts later when I have > time. Aahh! The pressure! I signed up to transcribe it, so I guess I'd better get cracking! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Travelogue - it's come, it's come, it's here now njc --- Mickey Morose wrote: > I am expecting Travelogue to arrive tomorrow I have > already listened to the > MP3 files. I think they are great but the backing > musicians are a little > muffled, but that will be sorted with the higher > quality yes?. Anyway I hope > it comes anyway I think I got a good price #12.99 > (approx $20.20) > ... > This is already a delayed delivery so here's hoping. > This wait is Killing > me :-) I feel your pain. Wow - you only paid the equiv. of $20.20 US? I'm sure many United Statesians paid much more than that. I paid $38 Canadian, which would probably be about $25 US, not bad for a double album, with added *stuff*. Patience, lad, you won't have to wait much longer. (I have a feeling my sh*thead ex snaffled mine - he was over at the house Saturday, to "borrow" the use of my computer, and wondering aloud whether I had any new CDs he could take. I told him to f*ck off and stop being a cheap b*st*rd and that if he wanted anything that badly, I'd burn him a copy, if he was too cheap to buy his own. But NOOO, he doesn't want COPIES. Now, I can't find mine so I bet he did take it> (Or I hid it so well before he came over that I can't find it myself - I have a feeling that is what I did, because I knew he'd be intrigued by the artwork. Growing old ain't no picnic!) Anyway, if he did take it, that's his g*dd*amn Christmas present, and more than he deserves. Grrr.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: i wonder what....njc --- vince wrote: > >Wally Kairuz asked: > > > >jerry notaro and vince look like? > > > > > > > >Jerry Notaro answered: > > > >Ben Affleck and George Clooney. > > > > > > > True. > Incredible how many people look like George Clooney. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:36:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Goldie's "Carey" --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" Isn't > there a nice straight girl somewhere who likes > llamas? > Llamas are OK, but alpacas are cuter. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Drawing --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > Jesus Christ, Mags! We have to get you a green card > so you can get a job! > Are green cards really green? Are pink slips really pink? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:41:34 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC Looking for a llama-lover In a message dated 12/2/2002 8:37:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > Sheee-it. Muller gets the girl. Again. Same as it ever was. :) Isn't > there a nice straight girl somewhere who likes llamas? > > Not sure, but I've heard there are some straight men in the desert who like camels :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:44:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Looking for a llama-lover --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >I've heard there are some straight men > in the desert who like > camels :~) > One hump? or two? (hee hee hee.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:03:36 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell's Beside Herself" Fund I have no artistic talent, but I'm handy with pen on check. Where can we donate? (Can something be setup online?) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:18:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: T'log Billboard review excellent review & i love how they say it takes active listening...something i'm not sure some of the other reviewers took the time to do...btw, i've just submitted my review of t'log to our local paper so i will post it here when they print it (so its official)...yay! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:31:09 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: muller looks like... njc Jimmy asks: > Who is Russ Tumblyn Don't think anyone has answered this. Russ Tamblyn (I think that is who he meant) was the friend of Alison from 'Peyton Place' with the dominating mother. They never said it but everyone knew he was queer. lol Kind of a stererotype but then again so is my supposition. lol again. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:44:40 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: bug in JMDL? Everytime I try to open JMDL #533-535 from today, my PC stops reacting to controls and I have to restart it. This only happened to those emails and it did it 5 times. I can open #536 though. Has this happened to anyone else? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:44:18 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: muller looks like... njc In a message dated 12/2/2002 12:24:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: > Russ Tamblyn (I think that is who he > meant) was the friend of Alison from 'Peyton Place' with the dominating > mother Thanks Mack! Someone else emailed me telling me he was in "The Boy With Green Hair", "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" and "West Side Story" plus several episodes of "Twin Peaks".......so now I know who he is, and no Wally, Murphy doesn't look like him. Maybe if he was in "The Boy With Blue Hair" :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:15:00 +0000 From: colin Subject: six feet under NJC The Tv said that tonight's episode of SFU was the final one. they didn't say whethter it was THE final or just the series final. In the last episode Frederico's wife lost her job, david and kieth are taking care of kieth's niece.tonights epeisode says that the funeral hom receives and inspection whcih unexpectedly befits Fredierico. So does anyoen know if that is it? Or is there another series? bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:23:13 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Looking for a llama-lover Llam hair also makes wonderful sweaters. I have some. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: T'log Billboard review Yeah, that "active listening" aspect was something that you zero'ed in on, first. Like on Day One. I'm glad you submitted your review of TRAVELOGUE. Good for you. You didn't trash it did you? :) Lama np: Fred Simon's "Dreamhouse", available on "The naim Label" from the UK. Just right for enjoying a freak-day off from work! - --- Kate wrote, in part: btw, i've > just submitted my review of t'log to our local paper > so i will post it here > when they print it (so its official)...yay! > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:17:58 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #370 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:23:31 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: re: T packaging The packaging on T really is first-class --- and not cheap. Shows that Nonesuch is willing (or was coerced) into spending some big bucks for this release. Not to mention the cost of recording. It must be quite expensive to have all those musicians for all those songs. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:31:00 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? - -Erica _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:33:36 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: NJC help!!! ...frustrated joni fan seeks answers from those in the know. hello listers! i'm at my wits end and i don't know where else to turn! ( i know i'm being a drama queen but aren't we all at some point?) i am in the process of redoing my internet provider account and need to change my e-mail address for JMDL. i went to the homepage and changed my address in the personal info section, i'm receiving library notifications at that new address but my " joni onlies" are still showing up at the previous address. help!!! jonily yours, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:38:23 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Erica L. Trudelle Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:31 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? I was just wondering everyone's opinion about why Joni and Bob Dylan never became romantically involved???? They were obviously knew alot of the same people and traveled to the same places......why no court and spark??? Have you ever seen him? I mean, compared to James Taylor, Jackson Browne, and Graham Nash there was no contest! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:17:11 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: My dear friends and to"whom it may concern"... I try to keep it short (but not sweet): I'll be "quitting" the JMDL from Dec. 11th until Jan. 22nd. And: to those - who would like to get some picture postcard down here from the Black Forest, do give me your address - and maybe... AND to those who got in touch with Karin at Jonifest 2002 - and to all of you who simply want to comfort my dear friend who is suffering from cancer, coping with that black hole of despamr and hope - and - dear friends - it is going down down - and I am lost for words - and please do write to me and I'll give you her address - simply for some comfort. If you know and feel what I mean, Love and peace - Helga And let us keep in touch - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:01:59 -0500 From: nyroman Subject: Re: six feet under NJC It's not the last show of the series. Just the last show of the Second Season. I believe the Third Season starts in January..... Best regards, Gary colin wrote: > > The Tv said that tonight's episode of SFU was the final one. they didn't > say whethter it was THE final or just the series final. > In the last episode Frederico's wife lost her job, david and kieth are > taking care of kieth's niece.tonights epeisode says that the funeral hom > receives and inspection whcih unexpectedly befits Fredierico. > So does anyoen know if that is it? Or is there another series? > bw > colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:10:46 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: t'log finally arrived.... well, well, well....... i haven't listened to a damned thing yet but adore this piece of work already. it is so beautifully produced. not since the golden days of LPs with gate-fold sleeves, have i dwelt on how lovingly the whole thing is put together. i think ms mitchell truly gives a damn about her audience to give so much (was there ever any doubt). how easy it would have been, and acceptable to us all indeed were she to have delivered the usual CD, a few pictures in a little plastic case. but this.... i dont intend to listen to the music in full until i get some peace and quiet to do so. instead, i placed CD1 into my computer - not noticing that the speakers (good ones) were switched on - to look at the picture gallery i knew to be there. a wonderful 'walk-through' accompanied by 'refuge of the road'. oh god, what a lovely thing. i dearly love this. i am so impressed. les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:37:42 -0500 From: vince Subject: nashville njc Home from work today and watching Nashville on dvd. I had forgotten some of Altman's great jokes - the song that the Henry Gibson character sings at the Grand Old Opry which he introduces as 'the song that got me started in this business' is Keep A'Going. And that is a poem that Gibson used to do on Laugh In and it was funny because it was so gol'darn corny. I suppose the only reason that I remember that is one of my cousins recorded that onto a tape of the stupidest things of the year, and Keep A'Going is on it. "When the doctor says its time, keep a'going..." A scene at the Opry where Julie Christie is doing a celebrity walk through cuts instantly into a scene of Geraldine Chaplin. All we needed was Omar Sharif and it would be Zhivago all over again - And I am struck again how Lili Tomlin was robbed by not even being nominated for this part, let alone winning the Oscar - back to Nashville - Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:47:40 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: The W Magazine Interview Thanks to Catheroine McKay for the transcription. - ------------------ The Divas Last Stand by James Reginato W Magazine December 2002 Joni Mitchell never does anything by the book. Divas are supposed to be late, but she shows up early for an interview. At 7:25 p.m., five minutes before a 7:30 dinner reservation, she is already ensconced in one of the walk-in-closet-size booths in the garden of the Hotel Bel Air. Living in a Spanish-style house not far away, she has become something of a nocturnal creature. After a number of stalking scares, she says she tends to stay up all night, then sleep until early afternoon. Although her blue eyes and flaxen hair are still luminous, she has lost her waiflike leanness. But wearing an understated black dress by Ann Demeulemeester and chain-smoking American Spirits, she cuts a handsome figure for a grandmother about to turn 59. Mitchell, whose new CD, Travelogue, appears in stores November 19, has already begun to take a rather curious approach to promoting it. In a Rolling Stone interview, she hinted that, because of her disgust with the record business, this may be her last album. And in the opening seconds of tonights conversation, she makes it official:  These are my last two records, she announces (Travelogue is a double CD,) Im quitting after this, because the business has made itself so repugnant to me. Over the next four hours, before we become the last patrons to leave, Mitchell  articulate, insightful and funny  repeatedly demonstrates a willingness to speak her mind: a rare and refreshing quality in a celebrity. But even as she offers bitter and caustic sentiments about the music business and sometimes the world at large, she maintains a cheerful disposition. Were living in the sickest time in centuries  havent you noticed? she rails one minute, then lets out a jolly laugh as she alternates between sips of cappuccino and pineapple juice. Mitchell continually brings the subject back to her anger with the recording biz, beginning with her own longtime label, Reprise, which at the last minute shuffled Travelogue off to Nonesuch, its artsy (read: noncommercial) sister label at Warner Music Group. First off, she accuses Reprise executives of ignorance. Since they have never heard of, for example, Edgar Allan Poe or Job, they dont get the references in her lyrics. And they think if they dont, nobody else will, she says. But their worse sin, in Mitchells view, is avarice. The record business if the most corrupt one of all, she says. They try not to pay you whenever possible. Mitchell declines to give specifics. Part of me wants to spill the beans, but it doesnt seem to be effective, she says. Ive been going toe-to-toe with the men directly. Most of it Ive said to their faces. Most of it, they usually agree with me. Some of them screw you for speaking your mind. I dont see them so much as bad guys individually. Its just that its become a bean counters business, and they go along with it. Theyre not looking for talent, she adds. Theyre looking for a look and a willingness to cooperate. And a woman my age, no matter how well preserved, no longer has the look. And Ive never had a willingness to cooperate. As Mitchell sees it, contemporary musicians are made, not born. As long as they look good, they can pitch-correct them now  they can interior-decorate their music, she says. The artists dont have to play anything, - they can cheat, buy songs and put their name on them, so they can build the illusions that the are creative. And because [the record companies] made you, they can kiss you off. Me, I dont sell that many records, but they cant kiss me off so easily. When shes asked to comment on Madonna, Mitchell at first says, No! I dont want to talk about it! Then she proceeds to talk about it. She has knocked the importance of talent out of the arena, she continues. Shes manufactured. Shes made a lot of money and become the biggest star in the world by hiring the right people. Venerated as Mitchell is  she surely ranks with Bob Dylan among the great singer-songwriters of our time  the sad fact is that her records have never sold in huge numbers. She has had only one Top Ten hit: Help me, in 1974. Meanwhile, multitudes of artists who have been inspired and influenced by her have made much more money  from Sting and Prince to Renie Fleming. Perhaps as a result, Mitchell is somewhat touchy about other artists covering her songs. She dismisses Judy Collins 1971 hit version of her Both Sides Now as pretty lightweight. But she is forgiving about others, including Sinatra, who covered the same song. They forced him to do it, she says. It wasnt his bag and the arrangement was just a really bad copy of Judy Collins arrangement. On the other hand, she was thrilled with two treatments she just happened to catch while watching television. She calls Robert Downey Jrs rendition of River on Ally McBeal superb and says, Id rather have it be emotionally correct than have some great vocal athlete tear it up on it. Mitchell was also delighted to hear Woodstock warbled by Frances Conroy, who plays the Fisher family matriarch, Ruth, on Six Feet Under. She and her daughter are kind of estranged, and the song was used magnificently as a bridge between generations, Mitchell says. I cried  it was profound. Mitchell herself refuses to do anything to try to become more salable. What would I do? she says, laughing. Show my tits? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer? Its not my world. One of the most constantly evolving of contemporary recording artists, she has never fit into any one category, going from folk to rock to jazz and making forays into world music and classical, all while firmly turning her back on the mainstream. Certainly, she has given up on videos, having made three at her own expense that, she says, nobody played. While she didnt mind doing Leno and Letterman, she may find that, after hearing what she gas to say about him, Letterman doesnt ask her back: Letterman treats musicians like the armpit of the [entertainment] industry. He tags you on at the end, never talks to you  while he talks to the dimmest actress. (Lenos lighting and sound are better, she adds. It seems to cross Mitchells mind that her remarks might be less than helpful in promoting a new release. How am I doing? Im dangerously close to the edge, she says. Protect me from my bad self. Dont make me sound too dissy. Mitchell isnt going to have the easiest time selling Travelogue anyway. It does feature some of her greatest hits, but its not a greatest hits album. Spanning Mitchells career, it consists of 22 songs, which she recorded with the 70-piece London Symphony Orchestra, a 13-voice choir and a backing band that includes Herbie Hancock, Billy Preston and Wayne Shorter. Its not Joni Mitchell with strings, emphasizes her ex-husband Larry Klein, who produced the album with Mitchell. Indeed, its easier to say what Travelogue isnt. According to the artist: Its not jazz, classical, pop or folk. It belongs to no camp, so no radio station is going to play it. Which probably accounts for why Reprise, as Mitchell says, dropped it like a hot potato. Nonesuch president Robert Hurwitz attempts to put the best spin on the albums move to its new home at his label. Reprise asked me if we would release Travelogue because they thought we might do a better job says Hurwitz, who calls the album great and astonishing. Recently installed Warner Music creative director Jeff Ayerhoff, meanwhile, also praises Mitchell, calling her one of the truly great artists, but adds that Joni has a lot of residual resentments  old baggage, so to speak  with the music business in general. She needed a music company which operates as an art gallery, and the best one of those is Nonesuch. At this time, Joni needs to move forward with more positiveness. Mitchell certainly remains positive on the subject of the new album. Im working outside the box, she says. The participants, like Wayne and Herbie, know its a revolutionary album. Im dissatisfied with a lot about it, but at the same time, its a rare treasure. (Joni is about as humble as Mussolini, her former boyfriend David Crosby once said.) According to Klein, The attempt here was to reexamine and cast in a whole new light some of Jonis songs, a lot of which have become icons. Thirty years after they were first recorded, Klein says, there is something profoundly beautiful and touching in hearing her sing these songs, with the weight and wisdom of her voice now. Beyond the emotional gravitas and pathos 30 years will give a girls voice, there are technical changes. Like any aging singer, Mitchells range has decreased  in her case from the three octaves with which she was originally blessed. Then there are the effects of being, in Kleins words, a dedicated smoker since age nine. Mitchell freely admits, I dont take good care of my voice. In addition to the smoking, she says, I talk too much. She is sanguine about losing the clear high tones. She rather end up sounding like a gravel voice Louis Armstrong than pitch-perfect Streisand. (Im not a fan, she notes.) Win some, lose some, Mitchell says. At a certain point its all in the phrasing. Im a better storyteller now. Travelogue serves as a reminder of Mitchells precociousness as a songwriter. How could a girl of 21 have written Both Sides Now? Oh, youd be surprised, she says. Some of these songs I wrote using empathy and projection, she adds. When I did experience those things, I was right, so I seemed to know what I was talking about. Somewhat unexpectedly  considering some of her diatribes tonight  Mitchell says that she had a hard time finding her voice for the darker songs on the album, because, for most of the last year, I was in a really good mood. In any case, by the age of 21, Mitchell had already lived a full life. After a hardscrabble childhood in Saskatoon, Canada  rendered an invalid for long stretches by polio  she escaped to Calgary, where she enrolled in art school. In 1965, at 21, she had a daughter out of wedlock after a fling with a classmate. Broke and with no prospects, Mitchell made the agonizing decision to put the baby up for adoption, and she kept the child a secret from everyone, including her parents, for 30 years. Over the decades, Mitchells yearning to be reunited with her daughter expressed itself in veiled ways. (In the 1982 release Chinese Cafi, which she re-recorded for Travelogue, she sings, My childs a stranger/ I bore her but I could not raise her.) Rumors eventually popped up on the Internet, some of which reached a girl in Toronto, Kilauren Gibb, who was searching for her birth mother. In 1995, Gibb, a former model who now has two children of her own, ages nine and three, flew to Los Angeles to meet her. Since then, Mitchell has made a few guarded comments in the press about the reunion, and it supposedly has remained a touchy subject. (Mitchells publicist warned, Ive seen Joni leave interviews when its brought up.) Now however, Mitchell brings it up herself. I have a wonderful relationship with my daughter and my grandchildren, she says, beaming with happiness before pulling out of her purse photographs from a recent visit they made to Los Angeles. After the euphoria of the reunion, she admits that for a year or two, it was difficult, but adds, Now were hummin. Were more like sisters. Our relationship is beautiful  since I didnt raise her, we dont have the scar tissue thats frequently built up between mother and daughter. According to Mitchell, she and her daughter have had only one tussle, after she gave Gibb a piece of parenting advice that wasnt taken kindly. Id never do it again, she says. Ill be more delicate. You want my opinion, ask. With the discovery of her daughter, Mitchell says she has come full circle. She observes, Up until then, I didnt have my feet on the ground. There was a big hole in me. You cant believe the emotional complexity of what I went through. Mitchell now makes regular visits to see her offspring in Toronto, making it her third Canadian home  she visits her parents, too, in Saskatoon, and keeps a rustic retreat for herself in British Columbia, where she disappears most summers to ripple-watch and paint, which she says is now her real source of satisfaction. For the moment, although Mitchell ahs always had a busy love life, she seems to be enjoying her independence. (In addition to her first marriage to musician Chuck Mitchell from 1965 to 1967 and then the decade-long union with Klein, she has had numerous boyfriends, including David Crosby, Graham Nash, James Taylor, Warren Beatty and Jackson Browne.) But she seems fulfilled by a relationship with a group she calls my Sunday boys. Mitchell pulls out more photo snapshots of a fun-looking bunch of buys with whom she meets every Sunday to play pool. This is not a celebrity group. One is a plumber who is studying to be a pastry chef, another was formerly her hairdresser and now takes care of her house  the best husband I ever had, she says. There is nothing duller to me than a room full of stars, Mitchell says. There is too much effort, straining, and theyre all exhibitionists. I need a climate of affection. Youre not going to find a pocket of affection in a room full of stars. Nevertheless, she makes some exceptions. At a recent Vanity Fair Oscar party, she got rip-roaring Irish drunk, and had a fabulous time. In the coming months, Mitchells personal and professional lives stand to be exposed more than ever before. Director Allison Anders spent almost a year filming the making of Travelogue as it was recorded in London and plans to submit the movie to the Sundance Festival. Meanwhile, the first full-scale documentary of Mitchells life, Penitent of the Spirit, is being made by director Susan Lacy, for broadcast in March on PBS American Masters. Lacy has shot interviews with numerous key people in the music world who have had their ups and downs with Mitchell  including David Geffen, her early manager and champion, former best friend and onetime housemate. After recording her first four albums with Reprise, Mitchell signed up with Geffens fledgling Asylum Records in 1971, then followed him to the eponymous label he founded in 1982. Somewhere along the way, it all went wrong. After some epic screaming matches in Geffens office, Mitchell bolted back to Reprise in 1994. The two traded accusations for a while  she claimed he withheld royalties, while he countered that she never sold enough records to earn out her advances  but more recently they have maintained a chilly silence. For his biography of Geffen, The Operator, Wall Street Journal reporter Tom King valiantly pursued Mitchell for comment, but she refused. Geffen told King, If I didnt talk to her for the rest of my life, I wouldnt miss her for a minute. The news that Lacy has talked to Geffen, presumably with Mitchells blessing, implies that there has been a defrost. When his name comes up, Mitchell hesitates before finally saying, David is almost like my mother. With her, Ill always be a little girl. Geffen once said to me, I know you better than anyone. That was several lives ago  Ive changed a lot. Ive been several people. David seems to have an inability to see me fresh. Im fond of David, she continues. Though I dont know why. Yeah, hes business and Im an artist. Its a strong combative relationship. He was money motivated, I was art motivated. He took advantage, but he took advantage of everybody  thats the nature of the business. I have no grudges against him. Any grudges Ive had with him, Ive gone to-to-toe with him about, and he knows what they are. Geffen declined to comment. Penitent of the Spirit also promises, of course, to be of interest because of Mitchells observations of the music world. I got pegged as a folk musician, but I passed through folk pretty quickly, she observes. I did it because it was easy, and I could make 15 bucks a night so I could smoke. Of being labeled a rock singer, she says, I was never really rocknroll in spirit. I didnt fit in well. I was never much of a druggie. Rocknroll men were always very combative with me in person  though theyd say nice things about me behind my back. Nowadays, she doesnt hang out much with her old friends from the rock scene, although she says that she and Graham Nash have an abiding affection for each other. Shes fond of Dylan, but admits her conversations with him are a bit cryptic. As for what she listens to today, the list is short and undeniably eclectic: Miles David, Billie Holiday, Stravinsky and Roy Rogers, primarily. She does like some contemporary stuff, notably Norah Jones: I like her because I dont hear ambition in her voice. I havent heard a girl singer who wasnt trying way too hard in 20 years. She also enjoys Bjurk, although more as a personality than as an artist. She has genuine sexual abandon, Mitchell notes. Whereas a lot of sex symbols are actually frigid. On the subject of critical assessments, of course, Mitchell is soon to be in the hot seat again herself. Will critics praise Travelogue for its innovation? Or will they dismiss it as a rehash? The sad fact is that Mitchell has not written new music or lyrics in several years  thanks, she says to her repugnance for the business. Is this really the end? Perhaps not absolutely, she hints. She brings up the case of her late, great friend Miles Davis. At a certain point he pulled up the drawbridge and said [Mitchell imitates his raspy whisper], Im not coming out until they pay me a million dollars, which they finally did. Nobody, in other words, likes to be undervalued, and Mitchell feels she has been. But first she has to rouse the muse inside. Maybe if I get away from [the business], the thing will wake up, she says. I am not fully developed as an artist. Even more hopefully, she adds that the most unexpected things can be restored  even innocence, which, she says, is the real subject of Chelsea Morning. Innocence is renewable, through joy and wonder, she says. Its now close to 11:30 p.m. Mitchell isnt flagging, but the restaurant is closing. The valet brings around her black Lexus sports car. Dont make me sound too dissy, she repeats, and after a goodbye kiss, she drives off into the dark Bel Air night. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:50:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: Joni & Dylan, why didn't it ever happen?? > why no court and spark??? Perhaps because Dylan FELL ASLEEP the first time Joni played Court and Spark for him??? (See http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=946) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:54:36 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: W Interview (clean version) Oops... majordomo didn't like some of the characters in that message. Here's a clean version (with photos as soon as I get them scanned): http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1025 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #537 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)