From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #531 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 531 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Big Walt in SF - njc [Julius Raymond ] Re: Travelogue [FredNow@aol.com] Today's Smoking Library Links: November 28 [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Big Walt in SF - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Gift list for the Joni Fan on your list, *LONG* ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\] Re: "Penitence of Spirit" [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Carly - njc [colin ] You Dream Flat Tires [Deb Messling ] NJC Lived through it ["chuty001" ] Travelogue Love It ["chuty001" ] Re: Travelogue [vince ] Re: "It's comin' on Christmas" (NJC) ["chuty001" ] Re: You Dream Flat Tires [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Big Walt in SF - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: You Dream Flat Tires ["chuty001" ] Re: You Dream Flat Tires [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] If Joni's to tour... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Today In Joni Smoking History ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: "Penitence of Spirit" [Mags N Brei ] Re: Today In Joni Smoking History [Mags N Brei ] Re: "Penitence of Spirit" [FMYFL@aol.com] Nice review on BBC on line ["RSM" ] NJC Re: Nice review on BBC on line [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Thanksgiving trivia [Little Bird ] t'log on t'day ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC Re: Carly/James As Dad [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Travelogue on headphones [Little Bird ] Re: Travelogue on headphones [Little Bird ] Thankful ["Mark or Travis" ] Made Redundant [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Big Walt in SF and HAPPY (American) Thanksgiving) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Big Walt in SF njc [vince ] double digest (NJC) [Gerald McNamara ] Gratitude... ["William Chavez" ] TTT, BSN, T'LOG [] Re: Travelogue - finally! now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Big Walt in SF and HAPPY (American) Thanksgiving) [Catherine McKay ] BBC Joni on CMT ["michael o'malley" ] desserts in Canada NJC [Mags N Brei ] RE: desserts in Canada NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: desserts in Canada NJC [Mags N Brei ] RE: desserts in Canada NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: TTT, BSN, T'LOG [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Big Walt in SF and HAPPY (American) Thanksgiving) - njc [Murphycopy@a] Re: BBC Joni on CMT - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Today in History: November 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:11:06 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Big Walt in SF - njc I'm concerned now, too, given his health challenges. We've got to reach out to him, I think. Tried to get his phone number in SF from 411, but it's restricted. Maybe Ashara can call him at the emergency number he left for Jonifest. He's a sweet man. Hope he's okay. - -Julius > I am worried about our friend Walt. He hasn't posted lately, and he has not > responded to or even opened (you can tell from one AOL account to another) my > e-mail. Has anyone heard from him? > > Thanks, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 03:21:45 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue "Jim L'Hommedieu" writes: >some people have listened and found no reason >to prefer Vince's new "takes". That's cool. I'm sure >there are some people who rejected Fred Simon's takes No, that's not possible. You're wrong. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 03:53:35 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Today's Smoking Library Links: November 28 On November 28 the following smoking items were published: 1956: Two Local Girls Found Smoking Cigarettes Under Broadway Bridge - The Plains Frontiersman (Police Log) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=4EIEIO44333229-945877665544 1967: David Crosby's Latest Bombshell Is Really Smoking - Rolling Stone (Annual Chick Roundup) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=4Elalalahelpmedododod7544 1975: Put It Out Right Now, Joni - New York Post (Review - Lung X-Rays) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=45845EIEIO845-84tOW!a58-458458 1997: "I Sing My Marlboros, I Paint My Viceroys" - Saskatoon Sun & Matala Moon Gazette (Arts Review) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=78708721-05EIEIO74522347 2002: Stuff It with Organic, Native American Tobacco, Pop Legend Gasps - Martha Stewart Living, Thanksgiving Turkey Edition (Celeb Recipes) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=09875GOBBLE-77EIO837458458 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 04:15:38 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Walt in SF - njc << Maybe Ashara can call him at the emergency number he left for Jonifest. >> It's Thanksgiving weekend and right now Ashara is traveling, traveling, traveling . . . I'm hoping other San Fran area people might have been in touch with Walt. I sorta can find his mother in Rhode Island if it comes to that, but it shouldn't come to that! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 04:40:07 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Gift list for the Joni Fan on your list, *LONG* Lama's annual overview ========================= This isn't exhaustive but someone may want to stick this up on the refrigerator or something......... ========================= Books ========================= "Shadows and Light: Joni Mitchell The Definitive Biography", available from http://www.amazon.co.uk "voices: The Work of Joni Mitchell", available from http://www.mendel.ca/shop/ They also have a really cool poster from the exhibit that they're practically giving away. "Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems and Lyrics", doesn't have any poems in it but it DOES slavishly reproduced one typo after another from the album's printed lyrics. Sample lyric: "Buoy winds pushed them face down in the snow." If you still want it, it's available from http://www.amazon.com How come all of these books so far have subtitles? Hmmmm. Maybe you wondered what she meant in the liner notes of 'The Hissing Of Summer Lawns' when she wrote, "This record is a total work conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally- as a whole. It's not my intention to unravel that mystery for anyone but rather to offer some additional clues." Here's another BIG HINT: "National Geographic Magazine", February 1975, beginning on page 270. "Architectural Digest", July/August 1976. Beginning on page 72, there are six pages of pictures and text from the Bel Air home of a pretty good singer-songwriter. Not bad. Especially for a girl. [I'm not serious] "downbeat magazine" August 9th, 1979 This is the issue (that I don't have yet!) in which Leonard Feather soundly praises "Mingus". Mister Feather figured that "Mingus" deserved 5 stars out of a possible 5 stars. [Class, don't be surprised if you see this material again very soon.] Will somebody PLEASE give Joni a copy of this the next time they see her dining alfresco? Let's review what Mister Feather said: *****. Five stars. 5. 1-2-3-4-5. Okay? How can I buy one of these back issues? ========================= Videos ========================= "Painting With Words and Music", available on VHS Hi-Fi and DVD from http://www.amazon.com "Shadows and Light", (1980) in its unedited edition (including the skating video) available on region-free DVD from a guy in Hong Kong who lists auctions on www.ebay.com "Shadows and Light", in its USA edition (sadly without the skating video) available as a USA/Canada VHS dub from a store-bought USA-edition VHS Hi-Fi tape from a guy in Covington, Kentucky named Lama, in exchange for blanks and postage at jlamadoo@fuse.net or on www.ebay.com The complete "Come In From The Cold" video 45 minutes, 1991), and the complete "Refuge Of The Roads" (about 55 minutes, 1980) video on one USA/Canada VHS Hi-Fi tape at SP (high quality) speed. Available as a dub from store-bought USA- VHS Hi-Fi tapes from a guy in Covington, Kentucky named Lama, in exchange for blanks and postage at jlamadoo@fuse.net. If you're a collector, they both pop up for sale, separately, on www.ebay.com too. ========================= Audio ========================= 8-Track: out of print but available on www.ebay.com Cassette: out of print but available on www.ebay.com CD: There are 22 now if you count 'hits' and 'misses' and don't count the singles or remixes. Every last one of them is currently available brand new in the USA. This is a pretty nice situation so the next time Joni feels under appreciated, remind her that her *ENTIRE* catalog has not been cut-out. Here are the official releases: Song To A Seagull Clouds Ladies of the Canyon Blue For The Roses Court and Spark Miles Of Aisles The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Mingus Shadows and Light Wild Things Run Fast Dog Eat Dog Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo hits misses Taming The Tiger Both Sides Now Travelogue http://jonimitchell.com/jonidiscography.html The covers and release dates are: http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/ ========================= High Res Audio ========================= CDs in the HDCD editions: If I recall, everything through "hits" and "misses" has been re-issued using the HDCD compression scheme. I don't know anyone who can decode them correctly but at least they used great equipment when they mastered them. DVD-Audio: This format, which will probably die a grisly death like the Elcaset, now offers one Joni title: "Both Sides Now". No other titles are available as far as I know of. LPs: You need a level shelf, clean records, and hideously expensive equipment, but the white-label promo editions and Japanese pressings (with "Obi") of the piano-driven and unproduced records breathe more like a person on an acoustic instrument, in my admittedly pompous opinion. (Obligatory: "This vain man wishes to seem wise.") I have a MFSL 1/2 speed mastered version of "Court and Spark" but by then the layers of production hampered the clarity. I think there are some Quinex II pressings of "Wild Things Run Fast" but my regular copy is exceptional anyway. Two review questions: 1. Who loves you guys? 2. In his review for the Jazz world's "Downbeat Magazine", how many stars, out of 5 possible, did Leonard Feather give the "MINGUS" album? Class? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:11:29 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: "Penitence of Spirit" >>That would make a great song theme, Joni C'mon - get that guitar out of its case! PaulC<< Yeah! C'mon Joni, and if you can't face the guitar just yet, why not open the piano lid and explore some of those beautiful harmonies and melodies? It would make such a nice break from painting, wouldn't it? Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:30:58 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Carly - njc LOL LOL LOL Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Lama writes: > ><< could you guys try not to act so obviously straight? >> > >Sorry, Jim. I'll try to tone it down. > >Kisses, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:00:18 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: You Dream Flat Tires Somebody opined that not a single song on Travelogue surpasses the original, but YDFT surely does!! The arrangement is fantastic and so is Joni's voice. To my ears it sounds like this is the version Joni must have been thinking of originally, before it got turned into 80s arena-rock on WTRF. I liked the original song, too, but I LOVE this version. BTW, that Rolling Stone review about Travelogue not "swinging" is just so dumb. Must all music swing? Another review said "it's hard to remember that Joni used to swing." Now I know that Joni could swing on occasion but it's not how she was defined, surely? But a reviewer will define her as a former swinger, as it were, in order to slam her present work. Burns me up. Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate it!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:03:49 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: NJC Lived through it Well I lived through another birthday. I say that because Nov 27 is notoriously unlucky for me. I woke up to the phone ringing and thought somebody remembered my birthday and wanted to catch me before I went to work WRONG. Two funerals to attend. So not a real happy birthday. I did get a copy of Travelogue so it wasn't all bad. DF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:17:48 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Travelogue Love It I'm just finishing the first disc, love it. With all the reviews I'd been reading here I had been getting a little worried. I remember hearing the same kind of negative responses when Don Jaun came out and Mingus. "Joni playing Jazz how could she. She should stick to folk." Well I'm glad she didn't listen to them then and I hope she doesn't now. DF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:34:59 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Travelogue FredNow@aol.com wrote: > "Jim L'Hommedieu" writes: > > >some people have listened and found no reason > >to prefer Vince's new "takes". That's cool. I'm sure > >there are some people who rejected Fred Simon's takes > > No, that's not possible. You're wrong. > > -Fred Simon Vince, Fred Fred, Vin ce I vote for Fred Vince :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:39:42 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: "It's comin' on Christmas" (NJC) I saw Grossman and Renbourn do Pork Pie in a little club in Toronto amazing - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Re: "It's comin' on Christmas" (NJC) > In a message dated 11/27/2002 5:56:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, Gertus writes: > > > On a Joni note, one of my all time favourite albums is Bert and John > > (Renbourn, of course) which includes a beautiful version of > > Goodbye Pork Pie > > Hat. I wonder if Bob has that one? > > Not yet, Jacky...but I'm aware of it. I'll get it eventually as I'm sure it's quite lovely. > > Bob > > NP: The Chieftains, "Dublin In Vigo" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:42:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: You Dream Flat Tires In a message dated 11/28/2002 7:00:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Somebody opined that not a single song on Travelogue surpasses the > original, but YDFT surely does!! Yep, I second that motion and also nominate The Dawntreader in the same category. YDFT was reintrepreted in the genre that better suits it, and Danwtreader gets fleshed out in full flower. As for the others, they may not surpass the originals but we're blessed to have both, because we can either revel in the new reinterpretations or rediscover the beauty of the original. Bob NP: REM, "Disappear" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:45:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Walt in SF - njc In a message dated 11/28/2002 3:11:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrmills@pacbell.net writes: > I'm concerned now, too, given his health challenges. I am too...but am hoping it's just more computer problems which Big Walt has had. Still I send out my prayer... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:49:29 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: You Dream Flat Tires I really liked the bass part in the original of flat tires so I can't agree with you guys on this one. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:42 AM Subject: Re: You Dream Flat Tires > In a message dated 11/28/2002 7:00:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > messling@enter.net writes: > > > Somebody opined that not a single song on Travelogue surpasses the > > original, but YDFT surely does!! > > Yep, I second that motion and also nominate The Dawntreader in the same > category. YDFT was reintrepreted in the genre that better suits it, and > Danwtreader gets fleshed out in full flower. > > As for the others, they may not surpass the originals but we're blessed to > have both, because we can either revel in the new reinterpretations or > rediscover the beauty of the original. > > Bob > > NP: REM, "Disappear" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:52:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: You Dream Flat Tires In a message dated 11/28/2002 8:48:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, chuty001@hotmail.com writes: > I really liked the bass part in the original of flat tires so I can't agree > with you guys on this one. > Still, it's 2 to 1 so we win! LOL! Just kidding with you, my friend...sorry to hear of the losses you had to tend to on your birthday, hope you're dealing with that OK. Bob NP: REM, "Imitation of Life" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:57:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: If Joni's to tour... What I would love is to hear her with a trio, consisting of: Rachel Z - piano Peter Erskine - drums Larry Klein - bass I don't particularly need to hear her playing guitar, piano or dulcimer, but of course wouldn't complain if she did! But I think if she was to agree to a trio configuration, she could easily set up & play in more 3-4,000 capacity halls and enjoy the intimacy in that setting, as well as ensuring that everyone there is there for HER. Bob NP: REM, "Summer Turns to High" (kinda hard to think of summer when it's so frickin cold outside!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:33:56 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Re: Today In Joni Smoking History Still choking with laughter. Shouldn't there be some sort of prize for a post this hilarious? A classic. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:51:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving!! same here Michael..there is much to be grateful for....the thing is....well...Im not quite sure what y'all are on about. Thanksgiving was last month ! Mags, Canadian to the core ;-) Michael Paz wrote:Happy Thanksgiving to all and may you all have a blessed day. Jack and Christina just left and I am planning my day tomorrow. We had such a wonderful night of music tonight. Jack and Christina sand Blue Boy and Midway together and we did Sex Kills and Offnight and a ton of original beginnings of songs and originals and I feel so blessed and thankful to be where I am right now. I can only wish the same for you all... Love Paz You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:12:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: "Penitence of Spirit" she already did, at the Hommage in Toronto last October (2001). .. she sat at the piano and just.........played. It was glorious. And I have witnesses !!!! just ask Ashara, Stephen, JJ, Jimmy, Coyote Rick, SteveNPearl, StevieP (oh yea she played because he asked her to ;-).... anyway..you get the picture....we were there....we saw/heard her on the piano and it was the best...the best. And if you have any doubt about Joni on the piano or anything else that happened that evening...just ask Janine...that is, if she's recovered yet. ;-) Mags Gertus@aol.com wrote:>>That would make a great song theme, Joni C'mon - get that guitar out of its case! PaulC<< Yeah! C'mon Joni, and if you can't face the guitar just yet, why not open the piano lid and explore some of those beautiful harmonies and melodies? It would make such a nice break from painting, wouldn't it? Jacky You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:47:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Today In Joni Smoking History PAUL PETERSON wrote: <<>> Bob Smurphy...a classic?? Absolutely!!!!!!!! Mags, a true blue fan ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:50:09 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "Penitence of Spirit" Magsie wrote: > she already did, at the Hommage in Toronto last October (2001). .. she sat > at the piano and just.........played. It was glorious. And I have witnesses > !!!! just ask Ashara, Stephen, JJ, Jimmy, Coyote Rick, SteveNPearl, StevieP > (oh yea she played because he asked her to ;-).... anyway..you get the > picture....we were there....we saw/heard her on the piano and it was the > best...the best Yup, I witnessed it. Joni was very comfortable at the piano and experimented with unusual chord structures (like Paprika Plains). I have no doubt she will continue making music, but if she wants to paint right now, she will. Afterall, she's Joni. Happy Thanksgiving Day for the U.S. listers, and a Happy Day for everyone else. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:12:52 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Nice review on BBC on line I stumbled across this review while I was trying to find an arrangement of You Dream Flat Tires for my daughter's high school jazz band. The link is http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classicpop/reviews/jonimitchell_travelogue.shtml One insightful excerpt: One look at the musicians on offer here - Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Billy Preston, Billy Blades - gives one a distinct message: this is not music for idiots. This turns out to be both the album's strength and weakness. For all of her heavy friends, Travelogue can make for some heavy going. As on the previous Both Sides Now, Joni pitches her wonderfully matured (as in a fine wine) voice against an orchestra and becomes an interpretive singer; but this time of her own work. From Song To A Seagull all the way to Turbulent Indigo, songs are re-tooled and re-contextualized. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:22:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Nice review on BBC on line In a message dated 11/28/2002 11:14:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, rstm@ayso-l.org writes: > One look at the musicians on offer here - Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, > Billy Preston, Billy Blades - gives one a distinct message: this is not > music for idiots. Speaking on behalf of all the idiots, I take exception to this comment! :~) Happy holiday to all who celebrate it as one, and happy thursday to the rest o' youse. Reminds me of the line in Rocky "to you it's thanksgivin', to me it's Thoisday..." Bob NP: Me-Shell, "The Womb" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Thanksgiving trivia Some trivia about a most strange and wonderful North American holiday... Happy Thanksgiving (from a Canadian who celebrated it over a month ago - find out why!) Giving Thanks - by Andrew Ritchie ( that's me) Imagine yourself on the northern coast of Canada, on Baffin Island, in the year 1576. The land is harsh, the wind is cold and there is nary a hint of human settlement. It was here that Martin Forbisher, an English explorer, celebrated the first recorded Thanksgiving on the North American continent, a full 43 years before the pilgrims of Massachusetts at Plymouth Rock. The notion of celebrating an autumn harvest, however, dates back centuries and can be found in numerous cultures all around the world. The ancient Greeks celebrated the festival of Thesmosphoria to honor the goddess of grain, Demeter. Ancient Chinese civilizations celebrated a harvest festival called Chung Ch'ui and dined on roasted pig, harvest fruits and special moon cakes, in honor of the harvest moon. Even Jewish families celebrate an autumnal harvest festival called Sukkoth or Hag ha Succot, which has been celebrated for over 3,000 years. What all of these harvest festivals have in common is the notion of celebrating the bounty of nature and giving thanks to the Gods who provide such plenty. Though most autumn harvest festivals are pagan in origin, Thanksgiving celebrations today have a Christian overtone. It is not an official Christian observance, however, and is more a recognition of social peace and agricultural bounty. In 1863 President Abraham Lincoln appointed a national day of thanksgiving and since then each American president has issued a Thanksgiving Day proclamation, usually designating the fourth Thursday of each November as the holiday. The story of the American Thanksgiving, however, begins with the immigration of Pilgrims to America in the 1600s. Fleeing persecution from the British Empire, the Pilgrims set up in the New World (America) to begin again. But they were faced with numerous challenges: contending with a rugged wilderness, sowing crops in harsh weather and fighting a long and difficult war with the American Indians. Finally, there was success. New settlements were flourishing, the crops were yielding bountiful harvests and new alliances between Pilgrims and Indians were developing to achieve a peaceful coexistence. It was in 1621, at Plymouth Rock, that the first recorded Thanksgiving celebration took place in the United States during a time of great prosperity. This followed one of the most devastating years in crop harvest, so giving thanks to each other, as well as to God, seemed like the most appropriate way to celebrate such plenty. The governor at the time, William Bradford, declared a day of thanksgiving that was to be shared by all the colonists and the Native American Indians. In Canada, Thanksgiving is celebrated on the second Monday of October, because of the earlier harvest. The annual observance of Thanksgiving in Canada began in 1710 in Port Royal, Nova Scotia and was declared an official national holiday in 1879. Thanksgiving today is more or less a North American practice, although some European countries do partake in fall harvest festivals, but not on a national scale on a government sanctioned holiday. Thanksgiving Trivia: The Horn Of Plenty The Cornucopia has long been the definitive symbol of Thanksgiving. Its long horn shape allows for the display of the season's bountiful harvest. Centuries ago, it was fashioned from the hollowed-out horn of a ram and filled to brimming with harvest treats. Today, The Horn of Plenty is traditionally made out of wicker. It is ideal as the centerpiece for a holiday table. Cascading grapes, succulent fall fruit and fresh picked vegetables are the order for this holiday original. The Cornucopia heralds our thanks for Thanksgiving. Gobble, Gobble Only male turkeys make the "gobble-gobble" sound, female turkeys make a high-pitched crooning sound. It is believed that turkeys were served at the first Thanksgiving at Plymouth Rock, which is why they are traditionally associated with the holiday. Goddess of Grains The word "cereal" comes from the Roman Goddess Ceres, who was the goddess of corn. The fall harvest festival celebrated by the Ancient Romans was called Cerelia. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:11:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: t'log on t'day happy thanksgiving to all who celebrate! fred wrote: >>Being a painter at heart, she sees music as just another set of colors, which, of course, it is. I'm absolutely sure that Mendoza took no license he wasn't issued.<< right on fred! this is what has always made joni stand out...her painterly approach to music & lyrics...i imagine joni had a great deal to do with telling mendoza what she wanted to hear... i can clearly hear her taking lots of good breaths throughout this recording...(but haven't listened in headphones to see if i also hear wheezing as someone noted)... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:18:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Carly/James As Dad Chris wrote: > He's apparently still quite fertile, though, as Kim recently squeeked > out twins (recently as in the last 18 months or so). > > Yes, and there's a great pic of him in the "Music" edition of Vanity Fair with his new babies...I may be envious of his K.O. wife, but he can HAVE the babies! :~) And don't think I was slamming his looks...as with Joni, it's refreshing to see an older rocker who isn't trying to look 30 years younger. Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Come Back" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Travelogue on headphones In 1994, when Sinead O'Connor's "Universal Mother" album came out, I recall reading in her liner notes that her albums should be listened to with headphones when possible. I took that instruction and applied it to just about every CD I listen to for the first time because I think the fullness of sound, being pumped directly into your ears without the white noise of speakers or the sounds around you interfering, is so pure and enormous. I have good headphones, large ones that cover the entire ear and block out the atmosphere. Let me tell you that Travelogue DESERVES these headphones! It gets right inside your head. The body of the sound and the depth of the orchestra just comes alive. I don't hear any gasping or wheezing up close, and I do hear her intakes of breath, which seem quite normal and properly placed. She's may be a heavy smoker but she's not that fargone. "Try another, try another, try another - empty, empty, try another..." - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Travelogue on headphones Dog Eat Dog is another album that's great on headphones. And individual songs like Harry's House/Centerpiece, Cotton Avenue, Paprika Plains, Lakota, The Only Joy In Town and Sire of Sorrow (original) are all fantastic on headphones. - -Andrew, the headphones guy Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:43:14 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Thankful I have chronic back & neck trouble. It's been giving me a periodic but persistent ache this week. It makes me cranky and out of sorts. If I have offended anyone in anyway, I am truly sorry. But I'm sure all my woes will melt away in a few hours when Travis and I arrive in Vancouver BC for a visit with Stephen and the wonderful Ashara! If anyone can lift my spirits, I know they can. I am thankful for the special people who participate in this forum Affectionately, Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:19:16 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Made Redundant hi Gang Not sure if this has been put up as a question, but Why is Anne Heche sitting on Osama Laden's shoulders baring her breasts? Much Joni Jamie Zoob (who has only had his T'log for a few days but is loving every minute of it) - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:22:19 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Made Redundant - njc Jamie writes: << Why is Anne Heche sitting on Osama Laden's shoulders baring her breasts? >> Because she's sexually confused? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:37:03 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Thankful njc Mark wrote: It makes me cranky and out of sorts Yea, I noticed that Mark. lol. Didn't really see anything at all. Sorry you've been feeling poorly and hope it gets better. And I have forgiven you for the Judy comment. lol again. Take care, Mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:14:43 -0500 From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Big Walt in SF and HAPPY (American) Thanksgiving) Hi from Vancouver, which took me a grueling 18 HOURS to get to yesterday. Stephen (who keeps up to date with Joni mail) alerted me (who is ALWAYS running behind the times) to the worries about Walt. I went into the Jonifest database from here, (Thanks, Les!!) and got Walt's phone number. I just spoke to him, and he said he's been really under the weather lately, so hasn't been accessing mail, or on the net at all. He is doing OK, and will be on soon. He said to thank everyone for their concern. Hope everyone is having a GREAT Thanksgiving. Waiting for Mark and Travis to arrive for Thanksgiving dinner. Long story, but have an 8 hour layover in Salt Lake City yesterday, so I called Alison to see what she was up to. This to me is the best part of the JMDL. No matter what city you are in, there is always a friend around the corner. The wonderful, sweeet Alison picked me up, took me to her home, showered me with presents and wine, and sent me off to Vancouver with a homemade pumkin pie. (She took pity on me when she heard the Canadian idea of dessert is cheese and fruit- CHEESE and FRUIT?????? What's up with THAT???) I am overwhelmed with her generosity, and filled with smiles knowing that the same thing would most likely happen in any city with any JMDLer. Hugs, Ashara, feeling especially grateful today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:22:20 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Big Walt in SF njc thank you for the good news on Walt - travel well Ashara and enjoy your trip! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:25:06 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: double digest (NJC) Is anyone else on joni-digest getting their digests twice ?? Lately I've been getting 2 copies of 'em all. They arrive within seconds of one another, but I mostly only read one :) -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:35:29 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Gratitude... "Gratitude unlocks the fullness of life. It turns what we have into enough, and more. It turns denial into acceptance, chaos to order, confusion to clarity. It can turn a meal into a feast, a house into a home, a stranger into a friend. Gratitude makes sense of our past, brings peace for today, and creates a vision for tomorrow." ~ Melody Beattie ~ Happy Thanksgiving Willy _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:36:11 -0500 From: Subject: TTT, BSN, T'LOG Well. Michael in Toronto here. Haven't been here for a long time. The JMDL site is amazing now. Congrats to all. Some random thoughts. TTT disappointed me, save for LOVE PUTS ON and STAY IN TOUCH. Some of her best work, with a new lilting quality. Love, as songs, CRAZY CRIES and FACE LIFT -- but not her perfromance Im afraid. The live versions she did on MuchMusic in 94 were much better: playful and swinging, rather than ponderous. Hate to say it, Joni, but that damn guitar kinda makes every song sound the same. May God help me for saying that. BSN? Magnifique, save for YOURE MY THRILL. I for one love Jonis new voice -- as she says, she's much more of a storyteller now. Love old Joni, love new Joni. Love Joni period. Which brings me to T'LOG. I honestly believe the voice is more powerful than ever. Sounds stronger than on TTT, when it seemed to be at its weakest. And I find the orchestrations astonishingly beautiful. I immediately loved OTIS, AMELIA, FLAT TIRES, TROUBLE, GOD, BE COOL, REFUGE, HEJIRA, CHINESE, CHEROKEE, DAWNTREADER, RICHARD, CIRCLE. (Her UNCHAINED MELODY here is un-fucking-believable.} FLAT, BE COOL and REFUGE are better than the orginals. At first, I thought the trio of SLOUCHING, LUDWIG and JOB was a disaster -- but these 3 are really growing on me. Just listen to her sing "Oh, where is hope?" on JOB. Shiver time! Magnifique. Hated FTR at first; love it now. You have to "give in" to it, as you do with LOVE, which is growing on me by leaps and bounds. TRAIN and SEX KILLS are just OK. BORDERLINE has never been one of my faves. Hey, WOODSTOCK has never been one of my faves either -- yet I find this version incredibly moving. Did I miss any? Dont think so. Oh ... one more thing. When the song list was first given on the website, COYOTE was on it. Wha happened? Damn! Its my all-time favourite song -- and I can just imagine it orchestrated. Actually, one more one more thing. When I heard Joni was doing this, I made a list of songs I wanted her to do. Many of them made it; these did not: EDITH, SCARLETT, COTTON AVENUE, LUCKY GIRL, TWO GREY ROOMS, LOVE PUTS ON A NEW FACE, FACE LIFE. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:31:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Travelogue - finally! now njc --- "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" > > Catherine McKay (in Toronto) said, > > Love that funk organ. Give me more! > > > Catherine, we're still talking about music, right? > > I was wondering how long it would be before someone picked up on that ;) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:43:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Lived through it --- chuty001 wrote: > Well I lived through another birthday. I say that > because Nov 27 is > notoriously unlucky for me. I woke up to the phone > ringing and thought > somebody remembered my birthday and wanted to catch > me before I went to work > WRONG. Two funerals to attend. So not a real happy > birthday. I did get a copy > of Travelogue so it wasn't all bad. Awwww, poor you. That totally sucks. Is it safe to wish you a happy birthday anyway? (Well, you got Travelogue - that's a nice present.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Big Walt in SF and HAPPY (American) Thanksgiving) --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Hi from Vancouver, I just spoke to [Walt], and he said he's been really under the weather > lately, so hasn't been accessing mail, or on the net > at all. He is doing OK, and will be on soon. He said > to thank everyone for their concern. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Ashara, you are the greatest! >The wonderful, sweeet > Alison picked me up, took me to her home, showered > me with presents and wine, and sent me off to > Vancouver with a homemade pumkin pie. (She took pity > on me when she heard the Canadian idea of dessert is > cheese and fruit- CHEESE and FRUIT?????? What's up > with THAT???) Cheese and fruit? Not this Canadian. Give me something sweet and preferably chocolate, especially for holiday feasts. (Cheese and fruit is lunch. Then cookies for dessert.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:58:33 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: double digest (NJC) I thought the group was in stereo, figured you read both at the same time for full effect, mostly getting dizzy. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald McNamara" To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 6:25 PM Subject: double digest (NJC) > Is anyone else on joni-digest getting their digests twice ?? > Lately I've been getting 2 copies of 'em all. > They arrive within seconds of one another, but I mostly only read one :) > > -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:11:14 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: BBC Joni on CMT The BBC Joni concert show aired on TV tonight. Joni solo in a London studio with a small audience, doing some of her early 70's songs. For those who haven't seen the images, she's about 30 years old, dressed in a peachy pink silk granny gown - ankle length, simple cloth belt at the waist, short sleeves, crochet and lace neckline, turquoise jewelry, straight waist-length hair. Very demure, poised and mellow, looking like a Danish princess. Not a line on her face, next to no make-up, a hint of a tan, the same sleek silhouette we remember from the pool shot on HOSL. What color are Joni"s eyes? Anyone? Grey? They're not light blue. The set Chelsea morning - guitar Cactus tree - guitar For free - piano California - dulcimer Big yellow taxi - guitar Both sides now - guitar The audience recognized and applauded each of the last two songs as she started them. Very little patter, lots of broad smiles. A beautiful little show. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:25:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: desserts in Canada NJC Ashara wrote: >the Canadian idea of dessert is > cheese and fruit- CHEESE and FRUIT?????? What's up > with THAT???) and then Catherine wrote: Cheese and fruit? Not this Canadian. Give me something sweet and preferably chocolate, especially for holiday feasts. (Cheese and fruit is lunch. Then cookies for dessert.) and now moi: Dessert in Canada is a regional thing. In Nova Scotia, they have blueberry grunt (no s*** sherlock, thats what it's called!) ... or ginger bread (which isnt bread at all, it's cake) with a glop of vanilla ice cream on it which of course melts some because the ginger thingity is warm out of the oven...in Ontario...chocolate...and nothing but chocolate...and in Vancouver...voila....cheese and fruit....there you have it. ;-P hope you two lurv birds have a wonderful time. :-) talk to you soon. magsula and brei who just returned from in-laws Tdinner...and we can barely move we are soooo full. oooooooph. xo ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:58:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: desserts in Canada NJC yes, i must admit the epstein household was a bit short on the sugary stuff. for god's sake, i had to buy my own scones (a word i consistently mispronounce) and muffins. but Mr. epstein's sweet disposition makes up for the lack of glucose, believe me. wallyK, missing canadian winter so badly. though there is a chance that... no, i'd better not jinx it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:12:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: RE: desserts in Canada NJC wah wah honey, how do you pronouce scones? LIke "phones" ? scahns ... say it like that ;-) almost like a yawn but not qoit xo Wally Kairuz wrote:yes, i must admit the epstein household was a bit short on the sugary stuff. for god's sake, i had to buy my own scones (a word i consistently mispronounce) and muffins. but Mr. epstein's sweet disposition makes up for the lack of glucose, believe me. wallyK, missing canadian winter so badly. though there is a chance that... no, i'd better not jinx it! You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:26:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: desserts in Canada NJC i used to. but then all the canadians i met very gently and canadianly taught me how to say it. still, old habits... can you bake a scone, magshushkja? in argentina we cut them in half and stuff them with whipped cream. isn't that terribly bizarre and decadent? wah woe -----Mensaje original----- De: Mags N Brei [mailto:magsnbrei@yahoo.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 29 de Noviembre de 2002 01:12 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; Catherine McKay; Ashara; Stephen Epstein CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: desserts in Canada NJC wah wah honey, how do you pronouce scones? LIke "phones" ? scahns ... say it like that ;-) almost like a yawn but not qoit xo Wally Kairuz wrote: yes, i must admit the epstein household was a bit short on the sugary stuff. for god's sake, i had to buy my own scones (a word i consistently mispronounce) and muffins. but Mr. epstein's sweet disposition makes up for the lack of glucose, believe me. wallyK, missing canadian winter so badly. though there is a chance that... no, i'd better not jinx it! You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:50:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TTT, BSN, T'LOG In a message dated 11/28/2002 7:37:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtotzke@gosympatico.ca writes: > Oh ... one more thing. When the song list was first given on the website, > COYOTE was on it. Wha happened? Damn! Its my all-time favourite song -- > and I can just imagine it orchestrated. > > What? Your copy doesn't have Coyote? It kicks off disc three on mine! ;~) Welcome back! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:01:24 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Walt in SF and HAPPY (American) Thanksgiving) - njc Talk about reasons to be thankful . . . Ashara, Walt, Stephen, Les and Alison all in one post! Thanks for making contact with Walt, Ashara. And I hope you have a wonderful time in Canada with Stephen, Alison's former husband. About Alison, Ashara wrote: << (She took pity on me when she heard the Canadian idea of dessert is cheese and fruit- CHEESE and FRUIT?????? What's up with THAT???) >> Ah, but you *must* try the moose! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:01:59 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: BBC Joni on CMT - njc Michael writes: << Very demure, poised and mellow, looking like a Danish princess. >> Damn! Stuff like this only encourages that woman in New Orleans . . . What's her name? You know, Paz's friend . . . Krista, or something . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 02:29:34 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 29 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Quebec City Coliseum in Quebec City, Quebec, Canada. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 02:29:34 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 29 On November 29 the following item was published: 1975: "Joni: A Bigger Splash" - Melody Maker (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=185 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #531 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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