From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #528 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 27 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 528 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: [Michael Paz ] Re: Travelogue Through Time, njc now really [Michael Paz ] Today in History: November 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: November 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Joni's statue [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Travelogue [David Marine ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:41:14 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi Mickey and welcome to the list. Song For Sharon is very close to the top of my Joni faves and one that I love to play and sing. I hope you get your copy of T'Log soon. Best to you Paz on 11/26/02 10:52 AM, Mickey Morose at topmickey@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi > This is my first posting, my name's Mike and I live in england. > > I'd been reading the posts for a while but thought I'd wait until I had > something m,eaningful to say about travelogue but - guess what - it still > hasn't arrived. I'm grateful to whoever it ws on the list gave a link to > cd-wow as the price of #12.99 seems unbeatable, but I've just had a message > from them that they're out of stock and promising delivery within a few > days. In a perverse way, I'm quite pleased they're out of stock as it might > mean that a lot of peeople are ordering and to me not enough people > appreciate enough about Joni and, like her, I get pretty pissed off with > people talking about her as, for example, "one of the best female > singer-songwriters". I mean, really!!! > > So I'm still listening at the moment to my one-disc cd of Shadows and Light > - what a bargain that was and incredibly underrated imho - fantastic > versions of Amelia and Hejira from my favourite Joni album and the Mingus > cuts sounding much warmer and "better" imo than on the original. My forst > Joni album, purchased on its release when I was 17 (gave my age away there) > was For The Roses which I still think is right up with her best, but for me > her most under-rated album is Hissing of Summer Lawns, which absolutely blew > me away when I first heard it and still has the capacity to surprise and > shock and give new meanings almost every time I hear it. > > I did start to listen to the Nonesuch files of travelogue on the internet, > but I was disapointed with the quality so gave up after Dawntreader, which > sounded leaden and jaded to be honest so thought I'd wait for the actual cd > wehich I'm sure won't sound so compressed and weedy (at least I hope not) I > gather that most of you weren't very impressed with BSN but I love it - I > can't get past Answer Me and A Case of You without crying, and while A Case > of You is obviously great on Blue as well I actually prefer it in the > context of BSN. > > Anyway, I'll let you know what I think of travelogue when (eventually) I get > it. I had been hoping that Song for Sharon would be on it - I love > everything about that song and think it would have fitted the theme and mood > perfectly - but never mind, there's plenty else to enjoy and I'm > particularly looking forward to Sire of Sorrow - my favourite 90's Joni song > at the moment, and I'm interested in hearing the male antagonists mentioned > and how these add to the song. > > Best of everything to everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:59:42 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Travelogue Through Time, njc now really I have all the workshops I need for now thanks. No need to be embarrassed I was speaking from the heart as I always do and meant it. You are good friend to so many folks who haven't even met you yet. Paz P.S. Feck Pete! That tired old deaf feck! on 11/26/02 2:41 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu at jlamadoo@yahoo.com wrote: > Isn't there a better way to put this, Paz? Shall we > "workshop" this post? > > BTW, I heard Sir Paul McCartney on "Rockline", a > syndicated radio interview show. Did you know that he > and Heather (his daughter, not his wife) were on a > TAXIWAY at JFK when they closed the airport on Sept > 11th, 2001? I didn't. He said they saw smoke rising > over Manhattan from the taxiway......... > > Anyway, when he was waiting to do his 911 song on one > of the 911 Tribute shows, an up and coming young > guitar player named Pete Townsendt came up and said, > "Ooooh, you are a crazy coot! You're gonna 'workshop' > a new song in front of 6 *MILLION* PEOPLE?!" > > wishing Mac had said, > "You better/You better/you bet." > Lama > > (still quite embarrassed by that birthday post, Paz) > > > > --- Michael Paz > wrote: >> Great post Scott thanks a lot for sharing it's good >> to see you uncloaked! >> >> Paz > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Smokin voices Hi Kakki, First off thank you for your kind words as to my performance. But of course I hear it much differently than you do. I am limited in what I want to do or try to do as far as singing. The positive to this is, I must sing the song much more in a style that is my own. So I can no longer just copy the phrasing and inflections of Joni or whomever. This is making me learn to sing in some ways, all over again. And I further agree, Joni is learning to sing more than she has ever had to before. Earlier it was more an instinct and now there is more of a thought process behind it. I like much of the new sound and have mentioned previously what I think she can do to help her voice furhter. I would agree that smoking is only one part of it and age, menopause, hormones do take their own place as additional culprits. Not to mention a lifetime of voice strain. I just believe she can eventually come up with a marriage between some of the old voice and a more educated mature voice. I am not knocking her at all. And perhaps her singing is not that important to her at this point. But I did suspect that part of her fit to retire may indeed be tied to her limited range and lung capacity. Finally, as someone mentioned earlier Joni's voice is much more in tune these days for blusier and jazzier renditions. Joni - please come to Chicago for the help that you could get hanging with the Blues community here - and of course I will be your guide! Thanks again Kakki - must light up myself now as I am listening to Diana Krall, speaking of jazz. You gotta smoke when you listen to this smokey jazz sound! A very "dear" old friend suprised me with several homemade cd's tonight! Good going - many points for her! Peace Susan NP: Diana Krall/I've Got You Under My Skin - --- kakki wrote: > Susan, > > Today while I was out on my smoking break (that quiet time where I sometimes > ponder about topics on the list), I was running through my head the jmdler > singers who smoke but who have not seemingly been affected by the awful > habit and I swear you were right at the top of my list. (I've heard your > absolutely amazing performance from the last J-Fest). I have an impressive > list of members in mind but will not name them so as to not embarrass them. > > > I've had the Joni smoking discussion with a couple of jmdler singers and > they say, like you, that the problem is with her breathing - or lack of > strong lung capacity probably due to the smoking. I would never disagree > with that. What doesn't add up to me as far as blaming it completely on the > smoking is that I heard her voice change significantly so many years ago - > back in the 70s. The change to me seemed kind of sudden - that is why the > smoking rationale doesn't add up 100%. And for many years, I was also very > upset with it because I loved her early voice so much. > > I've thought for the past few years that she has consulted a vocal coach. I > think she has had to do this. It also occurred to me, sadly, that maybe she > is all too aware of how much her voice has changed and that may be one of > the real reasons she keeps saying she is going to retire. I'm at the point > where I don't care anymore what she sounds like - I'd just be happy for her > to continue. T-Log sounds pretty good to me, all things considered. I also > thought she sounded a lot like Peggy Lee. When BSN came out I played it for > my parents to get their take on the remake of all their old fave songs, and > my mother, who has heard the constantly playing of Joni's songs from the > beginning, said very authoritatively "Now that is GOOD, she has FINALLY > learned how to sing!" Go figure! > > Kakki Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:00:02 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 27 1974: The album "Miles Of Aisles" was certified gold by the RIAA. 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Municipal Auditorium in Bangor, Maine. 1985: The video for the first single "Good Friends" premiered on MTV. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:00:02 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: November 27 On November 27 the following items were published: 1976: "Joni: Summer Lawns, Grey Gardens" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=186 1976: "The tip of the iceberg" - Sounds (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=354 1982: "Songs For Ageing Children" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=210 1982: "Wild Things Run Fast" - Melody Maker (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=190 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:04:28 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's statue In a message dated 11/27/2002 12:21:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: > Anybody recall any other statue lyrics? > > Here he comes after midnight To find her again He will come a few times more Till he finds a lady statue Standing in a door In her door Maybe this could be changed to: He will come and very soon He will find a lady statue In a park in Saskatoon Saskatoon... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:32:41 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Re: Travelogue on 11/26/02 8:37 PM, Chihuahua50@aol.com at Chihuahua50@aol.com wrote: > I know this is not a popular opinion on this list and at times I seriously > have to wonder if I somehow got some kind of different version than the one > everybody else is listening to. Maybe I got some kind of early demo version > by mistake. The Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind.... Really? All people do on this list is spew their Joni opinions. Even the heavy fans have suggested ways in which Joni might improve her work or her life. I've never had a sense that she has been treated like the "Emporer" from the story. > Between the last two CDs and Joni's ranting in the press, my love for her is > waning, Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds. (William S.) > and I can only hope that she will bounce back minus Larry Klein, and > minus the orchestra, with some new material. > I hear the Emporer favors Mr. Klein. I hope you have used a fake name. > Wouldn't it be nice to hear Joni in a studio with a guitar and a piano and > some new songs? Yes. > I'm not asking her to paint a starry night again. But you are asking her do do something other than what she wants to do? > In fact, it seems like what she's attempted with Travelogue is to paint a > starry night again, and it didn't work. I always interpreted the "paint a starry night" story to be making a statement about the tedium of playing her hits when touring. Joni did her jazz singer thing on Herbie's album. I think she would be brilliant with a jazz combo, but maybe she just figured that it wouldn't be anything new. Or maybe she's saving it for later. I guess we'll see. I the meantime, I'll listen to whatever she wants to play. David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #528 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)