From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #519 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 24 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 519 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC - Mark displaying SOIL (the movie acronym) lol [] Re: NJC - search for signs of intelligent life ["Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC - Mark displaying SOIL (the movie acronym) lol > Franklin> You heard Mark, Colin - now go catch that last hour!!**## lol > I do agree with you Mark, that it was "a tad toolong on > exposition". I could see how someone in the wrong "mood" might find it > a bit languid at times. But, then again - they obviously had > nothing better than to burn time in those days (in those days???) Funny > how "there is nothing new under the sun". It is a good movie to take in > on a lazy, comfortable afternoon with a mellow friend - > there, hows that? I agree with the rest of your comments... Alan Bates > IS almost unrecognizable, and gives a brilliant performance!! Franklin, this was the same comments I heard from people who said that DANGEROUS LIAISONS was slow. It is, but that may be unique to their historical (even geographic) milieu. I agree that other people may not bein the mood to like it, but its best watched more than once. The murder and the murderer are really quite peripheral to the inherent difference between the unempowered and the moneyed. Its such a good cinematic view of class issues that should interestingly accompany Mike Leigh's films about everyday London life. > Franklin>I'll have to "re-visit" 'Nashville'. I actually avoided > 'Short Cuts' as I thought, from the reviews that it was "plodding" and > a disappointment. Dang those "reviewers" anyhoo! GRATUITOUS > FEMALE NUDITY??!! excuse me while I run over to BlockBuster. OK, I'm > back...LOL Franklin, you have to watch SHORT CUTS, too. Its almost a pre-requisite for people who love Altman. It is plodding, yes, but the other nuanced characterizations and understanding of tragedy were so keen and acute its almost painful. Most especially those who have seen that kind of thing up close. > Franklin> The 'Player', IMO is as cool as movie-making gets... sheer > class! Speaking of 'Touch of Evil', that was the exact "extended, > uncut, shot" that Altman was totally skewering as pretentious (but > wait, I LOVE pretentious - served up "well-done" of course..lol). What > was funny was how the reviewers raved over that opening shot! It wasn't > meant as homage, but as back-handed sarcasm. Oh, well - I actually > LOVED both those long, uncut takes! lol You more than adequately expressed what I wanted to convey in the previous post. Now that you said it, it reinforced what I thought I gleaned from THE PLAYER. The problem sometimes with saying that a film is an "either you got it or you don't" presupposes that those who got it, understood it, while those who didn't like it, didn't. Not true, because polyfocal conspectus tells us that everything is as true as the next man's interpretation. This should not really be taken to mean that we all can have widely divergent opinions about the ending of THE SOUND OF MUSIC as the last shots sort of said what's going to happen to the Von Trapp family, but there are movies that beg to have different interpretations and its interesting how these interpretations are revealatory of what one considers important. >>> > > Franklin> Judy Davis! What a gal! >> >>She was amazing playing Judy Garland in 'Life With Judy Garland', a tv >> movie that was adapted from Lorna Luft's book. She was also pretty >> convincing as Lillian Hellman in 'Hellman and Hammett'. Much as I hate >> to say it, she was probably a lot closer to what the real Hellman was >> like than Jane Fonda was in 'Julia', much as I love that particular >> movie. Judy was also good as George Sand in 'Impromptu'. I wonder if >> she likes playing parts based on real people's lives? Now that I think of it, Judy Davis was good as the sexually omnivorous George Sand in IMPROMPTU. I heard that she was originally tapped to play Paulina is DEATH AND THE MAIDEN, but Sigourney Weaver eventually got it. I like the film but I wonder how Judy Davis would have handled the last "revealation" scene. >>Mark>I love movies. Maybe I don't discuss them quite as in depth as >> Franklin & Joseph but I love to talk about them. > > Franklin> You underrate yourself Mark! Your knowledge and insights are > a VERY welcome addition to this discussion. Please, keep > talkin', recommending, etc. I agree with Franklin. Keep on sharing! Robert a.k.a. Joseph in Manila ...lol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:30:47 -0800 From: David Greenspoon Subject: Re: travelogue in Geneva Switzerland now njc Catherine Wrote "Waaaaaaaaahhh - and they don't have it in Canada yet, land of Joni's birth!!! How unfair is that?? " Hi Catherine I am a lurker soming out from the shadows to tell all of those in Canada that Travelogue I was able to get it today :) at Futureshop... Am enjoying it right now and love it! David Greenspoon North Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 01:35:49 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: NJC - search for signs of intelligent life She is so >> >underrated. I >> >heard that she had this SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF INTELLIGENT LIFE >filmed but I >> >don't know where to look for this. > >I had the pleasure of seeing 'The Search For Signs of Intelligent Life in >the Universe: A Cosmic Soup Opera' in Seattle when Lily was testing it out >before taking it to New York. One of the funniest, most intelligent, well >written pieces I have ever seen. Lily and Jane Wagner really created an >extraordinary comment on modern life with this one. Populated with >wonderfully drawn characters, all played by Lily the chameleon Tomlin (What >does a chameleon see when it looks in a mirror? Another mirror!) and full >of pointed and funny observations on the foibles of humanity. I have a >hardcover copy of the script around somewhere. I think it was filmed so if >you run across it, get it. It's well worth seeing. > mark, were there cameras around? when lily was workshopping it some filmmakers were shooting a documentary about it and her, but once it was done she and jane wagner tried to block it. finally was broadcast on pbs years after the broadway run, my tape of the show is one of my treasures. i saw 'search for signs' twice in the original broadway run, then i had the documentary and the book to keep me happy. didn't see the movie until it came out on video, was very disappointed (part the magic of the show is how she creates such different characters WITH changing hair or make-up) she had another broadway run a year ago and i saw it, and it is still an amazing piece of theater, one of the finest i've ever seen. my sister and i rented the movie (another look for me) recently, and parts of it are just fantastic, especially the second half. the rich woman and the two prostitutes have her doing some of the most subtle, remarkable acting i've ever seen. and it's a fantasticly well-written show. i can never figure out why lily and jane weren't able to follow up their success. patrick np - brahms piano concerto #2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:53:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Critics > It's a fine line between opinion and criticism and an > even finer line between criticism and denigration. The > key is to be constructive, objective and thoughtful > when analyzing your feelings for another person's > creation, always keeping in mind that it's an > expression of another individual's interior world - > their thoughts, their vision, their ideas - and that > the critic, therefore, has a tremendous responsibility > to be thorough in his or her analysis. > > Right? Yes! Very well said! Thank you, Andrew! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:06:32 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC - search for signs of intelligent life > mark, were there cameras around? when lily was workshopping it some > filmmakers were shooting a documentary about it and her, but once it was > done she and jane wagner tried to block it. finally was broadcast on pbs > years after the broadway run, my tape of the show is one of my treasures. No I don't remember there being cameras. > > i saw 'search for signs' twice in the original broadway run, then i had the > documentary and the book to keep me happy. didn't see the movie until it > came out on video, was very disappointed (part the magic of the show is how > she creates such different characters WITH changing hair or make-up) Did you mean to say WITHOUT changing hair or makeup? As I recall, there were no costumes or wigs or special makeup in the production I saw. She did it all with her voice, body & face. I've always thought she is a genius as what she does. she > had another broadway run a year ago and i saw it, and it is still an amazing > piece of theater, one of the finest i've ever seen. my sister and i rented > the movie (another look for me) recently, and parts of it are just > fantastic, especially the second half. the rich woman and the two > prostitutes have her doing some of the most subtle, remarkable acting i've > ever seen. and it's a fantasticly well-written show. > > i can never figure out why lily and jane weren't able to follow up their > success. I can't figure that one out either, Patrick. Maybe they shot their wad with this one incredible piece (no reference to another recent thread intended). But I really find that hard to believe. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:08:21 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: November 24 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performed today at the Civic Center Arena in Hartford, Connecticut. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #519 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)