From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #508 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 21 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 508 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: paintings [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! [Little Bird ] Re: Will-not gay enough? NJC (now Queer As Folk) [colin ] XP njc [colin ] Re: XP njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Canadian price of Travelogue [Little Bird ] Re: guardian article - more than a rehash [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: NJC: Michael Jackson ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] made re dun dant ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: NJC: Michael Jackson [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: made re dun dant/now some Tlog thoughts, too [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: NJC: Michael Jackson ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] Re: NJC: Michael Jackson [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: made re dun dant [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: 2 Joni Disappointments NJC [dsk ] Re: NJC: Michael Jackson ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: NJC: Michael Jackson [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re Paintings [Monafitz@aol.com] Re: 2 Joni Disappointments NJC [dsk ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #507 - "Slut riding Osama" [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #505 - painting detail [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! ["Lori Fye" ] guardian article ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! (NJC) ["Lori Fye" <] My Joni Travelogue [Little Bird ] Re: XP njc [colin ] Re: NJC: Michael Jackson [colin ] Re: NJC: Michael Jackson [colin ] Re: made re dun dant/now some Tlog thoughts, too njc [colin ] RE: Will-not gay enough? NJC ["patrick leader" ] Re: Will-not gay enough? NJC and qaf ["mack watson-bush" ] Is Joni a poet? Nay. [johnirving ] Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Travelogue WOW [Michael Paz ] Re: Is Joni a poet? Nay. ["RSM" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:17:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: paintings In a message dated 11/21/2002 12:50:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, hencon@sonic.net writes: > And who is the sly old crone? > And what's up with the slut riding Osama? > Tell me, please. Welcome to the group, Mark! As to your questions, your thoughts/interpretations/answers are as good as ours! Time was when we analyzed her SONGS... ;~) Bob NP: Buena Vista Social Club, "De Camino a La Vareda" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! You're not alone on that one. My mother, who is not a fan of Joni's music, LOVES her artwork and would kill for one of her paintings -even a print. I have another friend, himself an artist, who cites Joni's artwork as an influence - he, again, does not like her music but is in love with her art. I read something a few years back where Joni was quoted as saying that it pains her greatly to part with her paintings and that selling them feels "dirty" to her. However, she has sold paintings in the past, although very few. She sold a few in Tokyo one year and some in London. Generally, though, I think she hesitates to sell them. You'd be looking at thousands and thousands of dollars for an original Joni Mitchell painting. I think she should make prints available, at the very least. There is very obvious interest in her art, world wide. - -Andrew Happy The Man wrote:I am looking at the art and seeing it hanging in my house. I sent a email to Joni's management but I have been off the list for a while and was wondering what you got to do to get info on her paintings and if she is selling them. Anyone know! Peace, Craig NP: Donny Osmond - "Don't Dream It's Over" Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:29:52 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! In a message dated 11/21/2002 1:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > You'd be looking at thousands and thousands of dollars for an original Joni Mitchell painting. I think she should make prints available, at the very least. There is very obvious > interest in her art, world wide. Every once in while in a big blue moon, her artwork (originals and prints) pop up on EBay. But like Andrew says, get ready to hock that van and sell your kids into slavery if you want a Joni original! Does the Mendel Gallery in Saskatoon feature any prints of hers, since she had the exhibit there? Bob NP: Buena Vista..."Pueblo Nuevo" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:32:07 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: A pretty good deal! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=924045886 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:33:26 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Mitchell, Dulson and Klein >Today in History: November 21 >1982: Joni married Larry Klein at Elliot Roberts' home in Malibu, California. It is significant, of course, that this is LESS THAN A MONTH after Michele and I got married. I always figured Joni's handlers gave her the news that I was no longer available, and she said "Damn! I really wanted that guy. Guess I might as well marry Klein..." - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:34:59 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Will-not gay enough? NJC (now Queer As Folk) >btw, Last year Coyote Rick and I walked into the "Babylon" which is a gay bar >where many of the scenes from QAF take place. Trust me, it's not the same >bar. We were surprised to see a very quiet small bar when we walked inside. > i would hate a bar like the one on the show. mind you i don't like bars at all treally. truck stops are much better..... > >Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:35:52 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! >Does the Mendel Gallery in Saskatoon feature any prints of hers, since she had the exhibit there?> Not that I'm aware of. I think the book of her prints is still available there. I've also seen copies of it in some Chapters stores here in Ottawa in very miscellaneous locations. I recall autographed prints being available during her tour with Dylan - both self portraits (TI and TTT) but they were only mounted on press board and didn't look like great quality prints. Besides that they were $300! The sale of her original artwork for the cover of The Hissing Of Summer Lawns went for something like $50,000 U.S. at auction a few years ago, did it not? - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:41:50 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: A pretty good deal! thanks, just bought it. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: A pretty good deal! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=924045886 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:42:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: XP njc I have neded up with XP after all as my 98 pc blew on me. It is fixed now but vcouldn't be without for that long so bought this new one. OI quite like XP. Different. Trouble is f***ing Outlook Express still does not work properly.(won't store passwords) So i am back with my old friend Netscape but this time with 7. I sue Netsacpe and IE for browsing as they each do what the other won't. My music was not sounding too good so i looked for a utility and found DFX which I find very good. makes my music sound much better. the restore facility on XP is a real boon. I am sure i was going to ask somehting about XP but cannot remember what now! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:47:22 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: XP njc In a message dated 11/21/2002 1:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > I sue > Netsacpe and IE for browsing I guess a spell checker wasn't bundled in there either! LOL! Just joshing with you Colin...hope that John is continuing to improve. I had some initial problems with XP but after reloading it it seems to do quite well. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Canadian price of Travelogue I just found out the Canadian price: $39.95. Strangely enough, the man I spoke to on the phone told me that his records show it was due out the 19th in Canada but that they never received the shipments, as was the case with the stores I visited on Tuesday. Hmmmm.... - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:16:20 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: guardian article - more than a rehash In a message dated 11/21/2002 7:15:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Similarly, while Mitchell > berates Madonna and others' use of sexual imagery, she once appeared on the > inner sleeve of The Hissing of Summer Lawns in a bikini. Her justification: > "But I swim every day." > When Joni has appeared in what looks to be an overtly provocative manner, it's always been tied into theme of the project. The swimming shots are evocative of the entire suburban summer tone of Hissing--I don't believe they are intended to titillate. And therein lies the difference. Madonna intends to titillate! This was a a cool read-definitely much more than a rehash! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:19:17 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: NJC: Michael Jackson andrew wrote: He's going to have a very bad ending, I can feel it. Something horrendous will happen to him. I have seriously considered the reality that Michael is an alien, look at the progresion (or regression) just over the past 10 years. It's very spooky. Erica _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:34:46 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: made re dun dant As to the tattoo on the woman on Osama's shoulders. Synonyms for redundant are repetitive and superfluous. One interpretation is that in modern society exposed breasts have become superfluous in that they are seen in the media constantly and no longer hold the allure of suggestion. You know sex sells everything, peace, david NP: TLTISR, T'log - Joni's voice is AWESOME. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:29:10 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Michael Jackson It's truthfully a very sad case study...take a 5 year-old boy, make him a multi-millionaire and an international superstar, strip him of anything resembling a normal childhood, and then see what happens. I think a lot of his weirdness is simple arrested development, manifesting the childhood he never had in his later years and having immense resources to do in bizarre fashion. Amazing how many childhood stars become so screwed up...Shirley Temple ended up OK, but I can't think of too many others. Erica, your heroines Christina & Britney were once Mousketeers! Bob NP: The Vines, "Outtathaway!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:36:05 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! A few years back when Wally B. from JoniMitchell.com was still with us, he emailed some of us to bid on one of Joni's painting. It was a small painting (14" X 14" I think). It was a painting of a bowl of fruit, and not a very good painting IMO. If I remember correctly, the highest bid was at $6,000., and it still didn't match the sellers minimum. So you better save some major bucks if you ever hope to obtain a Joni original (If she'll part with any) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:39:30 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: made re dun dant/now some Tlog thoughts, too In a message dated 11/21/2002 2:23:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: > One interpretation is > that in modern society exposed breasts have become superfluous I always say, "seen two, seen em all.." As I listen to Travelogue, I notice more and more that Joni is in fine voice for swingin'! Be Cool, Flat Tires, God Must Be A Boogie Man, these all come across so well and her vocal energy seems heightened, and not just because of the up-tempo-ness of these compositions. It makes me wish she'd included Moon at the Window...she is at her prime for this stuff! I'd like to hear her do more work along the lines of her recording with the Kyle Eastward group's Trouble Man. Maybe her next outing could be a set of originals with a jazz combo. She really brings something to that genre. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:42:35 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: NJC: Michael Jackson Bob wrote: I think a lot of his weirdness is simple arrested development, manifesting the childhood he never had in his later years and having immense resources to do in bizarre fashion. I know :) I'm just being mean at Michael's expense, I do think he just got the shaft with his upbringing and it caused him some intense damage. He just freaks me out sometimes. But that Barbara Walter's special with him back in '93 made me cry like a baby! Erica _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:45:09 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Michael Jackson In a message dated 11/21/2002 2:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: > I do think he just got > the shaft with his upbringing No, that would be Isaac Hayes... :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:58:05 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: made re dun dant In a message dated 11/21/2002 2:23:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: > As to the tattoo on the woman on Osama's shoulders. > Synonyms for redundant are repetitive and superfluous Kakki touched on this yesterday, and I just found Joni's quote about the "repetition" on JM.Com. "The World... Turned Upside Down" "I laid [my photos] out, two of a kind, and I was just playing around with the images absent-mindedly when I realized that by putting them edge to edge that a repetitive pattern occurred. So I started this series of paintings, which I call 'Repetism.' They represent the fact that the world on Sept. 11 turned upside down." Joni explaining her images of the World Trade Center in flames and the comforting view from her bedroom window, in Los Angeles Times Magazine 10/21/01 Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:00:17 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: 2 Joni Disappointments NJC hell wrote: > > I'm OK, I have a "friend" in the US who's sending me a copy! And I think > I've got the repayment under control ;o) ..... Hell, :-) That's what I assumed, but didn't want to leave you out of my concern for the footless downunders. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:3:47 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC: Michael Jackson > Amazing how many childhood stars become so screwed up...Shirley Temple ended up OK, but I can't think of too many others. Erica, your heroines Christina & Britney were once Mousketeers! I saw that there was a show airing on some network about the Little Rascals and how they all came to terrible endings. Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:25:18 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Michael Jackson Muller writes: << Amazing how many childhood stars become so screwed up... >> And the best movie about a screwed up former child star is "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" with Bette Davis and Joan Crawford. Maybe Michael should do a remake with Latoya as the handicapped sister. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:42:10 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re Paintings On Joni Paintings My understanding from the gallery was that Joni was soliciting offers on all of her paintings. I also learned that she was trying to find out what the market would bare. No paintings were actually sold. This is of course hearsay. Cheers. Mona L. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:49:25 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: 2 Joni Disappointments NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Debra writes: > > << And be willing to send them along to the antipodeans on the list? >> > > I will not send anything to people without feet. Bob, It's not a dance record, so that's no excuse! Good try though... Plus, antipodean is all about feet. It does sound like a creep crawly creature and there is that anti in it, but antipodeans... if the earth didn't get in the way, your feet and their feet would touch sole-to-sole, maybe even soul-to-soul. Don't you like that idea? Debra Shea, who's frivolously avoiding writing about T'log. NPIMH: magnet and iron, the soles... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:43:38 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #507 - "Slut riding Osama" > And what's up with the slut riding Osama? That line alone made it worth reading through a very long edition of jmdl. Pretty funny....but, seriously, not meaning to open a can of worms, but maybe she's not a slut??? Sexual, yes. By the way, can anyone make out what words tattooed on the woman's body in that painting? I can't quite read them. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:58:34 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #505 - painting detail > paintings one can see the shape of a lion's face in the > smoke from tower one. Here's what I see there -- a "devil" face in the smoke to the side of the tower and a horrified man's face in the smoke above the tower (don't have it in front of me right now, but I believe that was it). While I personally don't believe in the existence of the Big S (could it be Satan?), I have to admit the "devil face"-like image that showed in the smoke on that horrible day was compelling -- many of you probably saw it in a photo that appeared in newspapers a few days later. I'm assuming Joni modeled that part of the painting on that photo. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:00:05 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! > NP: Donny Osmond - "Don't Dream It's Over" I'm sorry, Craig. I remember reading somewhere that Joni will never sell a painting to someone who listens to Donny Osmond recordings. ; ) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:04:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! In a message dated 11/21/2002 5:00:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > I'm sorry, Craig. I remember reading somewhere that Joni will never > sell a painting to someone who listens to Donny Osmond > recordings. Not true! The Osmonds recorded "Both Sides Now", so they've paid Joni the royalty pennies. Buy away Craig! :~) Proof: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=922660611 Bob NP: David Byrne, "Back in the box" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:17:30 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! Return-Path: Received: from aol.com (mow-m20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.136]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-1121141617; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:16:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:17:28 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com To: littlebird3333@yahoo.com (Little Bird) Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0DC80742.6F4FCD04.0004E5E0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Actually, they were selling prints of several of her paintings at both the Bob Dylan tour, and the BSN tour. During the Dylan tour they were selling the cover portraits from TI and TTT. These were rather large in size, and available both signed and unsigned. The signed were $150 each, and the unsigned were $75 (I think!). For the BSN tour, she had the two portraits of her sitting at the bar, the French Kiss, and the Vase of Yellow Flowers (all from the BSN booklet). I believe she had signed and unsigned versions of these as well, for the same amount of money, though these were about half the size of the TI and TTT portraits. I thought they were all of decent quality, and printed on nice art stock paper. I bought and framed the autographed versions of both the TI and TTT portraits, and I consider them beautiful additions to my art collection. My wife's not a major fan of Joni's (though she loves DED!), but she likes these images enough to allow me to hang them in our living room. I also bought a signed copy of the TTT portrait for my mother-in-law, who happens to likes Joni, and loves cats. Unfortunately, she is in the final stages of terminal lung cancer, so if anyone is interested in purchasing this image, I might be able to help them out sometime in the future. I will warn you though, that it's in a $350 frame. I would only want to recoup my expenses, so for the framed image it would be $500. It is rather large, so shipping would probably be rather costly. In any case, if you might be interested, contact me off the list, and when the time comes, I will let you know of it's availability. (I hope this doesn't come across as tacky!) I hope Joni offers up some of these new images in this format. I would love to pick a few of them - especially if they were for sale at her concert here in Chicago! (I can dream, can't I?) Still loving T'log. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:23:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni as a poet Joni said "I'd never heard anger expressed in a song. And I thought, this means it's wide open, you can write about anything. It was brilliant. I wrote poetry, and I always wanted to make music. But I never put the two things together. Just a simple thing like being a singer-songwriter- that was a new idea. And when I heard Positively Fourth Street I realized that this was a whole new ballgame; now you could make your songs literature. And I began to write. So Dylan sparked me." ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:23:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: guardian article >>After 35 years in the business, the original woman with a guitar is one of few artists on a par with Bob Dylan.<< quite an assumption (and subtly sexist at that)...that dylan is the one to be on a par with...how about dyan is one of the few artists to be on a par with joni? i know, preaching to the choir here but i could not help myself ;~O >>Stars and Light, a biography of the singer, explains, Mitchell has threatened to quit before. This time, however, there's a difference. Following the W article, Mitchell stopped doing interviews. "That's a worrying sign," says the biographer. "Her songs are her babies and she always promotes them. So she could actually mean it."<<< oops, someone has not done their homework! stars? also interesting that karen (the biographer) is quoted as saying that joni always promotes her songs when her book shows quite the opposite...many times joni went against the accepted business practice of record, promote, tour) by going on retreat following a release (to greece, to the sunshine coast in bc, on a hejira...) >>Furthermore, Mitchell's sales have never matched her influence and critical standing.<< i agree that her influence & critical standing is beyond what her sales have been but her sales have been pretty decent imo...she's had hit songs (early with other people doing her songs, but eventually herself) & had one or more gold records & i imagine she does very well in the royalty department (thanks to her wisdom early on of hanging on to all of her publishing).... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:21:26 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! Sorry Lori, when I heard that Sixpence None the Richer and Donnie Osmond did copies of Crowded Houses "Don't Dream It's Over" my curosity was just a little up. Who was the gentlemen we had dinner with in Austin at Katz's, it was Niel and I can not remember his last name. Up until a couple of years ago I stayed in touch with him. Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: "Happy The Man" ; Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! > > NP: Donny Osmond - "Don't Dream It's Over" > > I'm sorry, Craig. I remember reading somewhere that Joni will never > sell a painting to someone who listens to Donny Osmond recordings. > > ; ) > > Lori > > ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:41:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! Tens of thousands of dollars. The good news is that the Mendel Art Museum in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada had a book that was a retrospective collection of her paintings for sale as recently as 4 months ago. You can get the phone # from directory assistance from the USA (not America). The Mendel will gladly accept Visa and Mastercard (at least, maybe others too) and ship to the USA. I think they ship via pony express though, eh? It took about 6 weeks to reach me. Worth it though and it was really nice. Like the inner gatefold of the Mingus LP, on some paintings, the nubby texture of the canvas is readily visible as are areas where she used a very thick glob of paint. Recommended until someone decides to sell off that watercolor demo of HOSL again. :) Lama, not holding my breath Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:54:53 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Re: Erica raps... njc LMAO!!! oooohhhhhh!!! I get it, I've never heard my name in a song before so you confused the hell out of me! I bet someone $20 back in college that "Erica" wasn't a name used in any songs, crap, I hope he doesn't have the new Eminem disc. I'm glad you enjoyed my post :) Erica Erica Wrote: I'm not really understanding your response, did my post upset you? Erica: No!!!!!!! I thought your post was very funny, because with yoiur name and the coincidental Eminem references, I loved what you wrote! Sorry that I was not more clear, very sorry! And actually, I thiought your post was brilliant, yes, on freedom of speech, and that is precisely the point that Em was trying to make in that song, so it was synchronicity all over the place! "Erica" and "Eric" are two names that Em loves to play with because of their amERICA and amERICa associations - And again, I thought your post was great and I am sorry that I was so unclear on that! Take care, Vince Erica: > I guess what I mean by "hitting a wall" isn't the point when Tipper will >step in and "check the checkers" and no one can turn on MTV to see some good > T and A when the mood hits them , And I am definitely happy to live in > a country where if Christina Agularia wants to roll around like a muskrat in > heat she has all the freedom in the world to do so. I guess it comes down to > conscious parenting, and once again I am rambliing on an on. > So many Eminem references in one post, and all from one song, White America! For the name Erica, and MTV, we have the chorus: "White America! I could be one of your kids White America! Little Eric looks just like this White America! Erica loves my shit I go to TRL; look how many hugs I get!" As for Tipper Gore and her partner in censorship, Lynne Cheney, we have: "I am the derringer aimed at little Erica to attack her character The ringleader of this circus of worthless pawns Sent to lead the march right up to the steps of Congress and piss on the lawns of the White House To burn the {flag} and replace it with a Parental Advisory sticker To spit liquor in the faces of this democracy of hypocrisy Fuck you Ms. Cheney! Fuck you Tipper Gore!" And as for free speech in general: How many people are proud to be citizens of this beautiful country of ours? The stripes and the stars for the rights that men have died for to protect The women and men who have broke their necks for the freedom of speech the United States government has sworn to uphold or so we're told... ... I must've struck a chord with somebody up in the office Cause Congress keep tellin me, I ain't causin nuthin but problems And now they're sayin I'm in trouble with the government - I'm lovin it!..." Oh well, someone had to break up the T'log love feast with something nasty and for that I can always be counted on. Em also makes several Christina Aguilera references in other songs, but we can all assume that Em does not care for either her music nor Britney Spears' nor boy bands either, and particularly dislikes N'Sync. As for T'log and why I have this time on my hands: Amazon has not shipped my T'log yet - what is up with that - - and I went to all the local stores and no one has it in stock. However, they did have in stock Jay-Z's newest, TLC's newest, and Matchbox 20's newest, so I stocked up on those. Amazing that I can buy great rap, r&b, and white boy rock in this town but can't get Joni Mitchell. What kind of thing is this? Just kidding, America, you know I love you. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:55:47 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! (NJC) > Who was the gentlemen we had dinner with in Austin at Katz's, it was > Niel and I can not remember his last name. Up until a couple of > years ago I stayed in touch with him. Neil Orts. Neil, are you still here?? Lori, previously in San Antonio, briefly in Philadelphia, now living in Maryland ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:03:21 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: My Joni Travelogue A bit about my journey into Joni's world: I got into Joni when I was 15, when I heard Night Ride Home playing in my uncle's car on the way to Toronto. I loved her deep, robust voice and the wisdom it evoked. I asked to look at the sleeve and poured over the lyrics, song by song, in the back of the car - nearly got car sick. I realized I had found someone really incredible. When I heard she was Canadian it just added to my resolve, being Canadian myself, of course. I had always known "about" Joni Mitchell - I knew who she was. She was part of my parents' generation's vocabulary, part of the Canadian lexicon. I had this very vague picture of a blonde woman with a guitar singing really girlie songs, maybe getting high on pot and being utterly shy. But this new Joni, this Night Ride Home Joni, was so formidable and strong: "I'm not gonna be the jackpot at the end of your purjered rainbow, not if local justice has even one good eye." - -Wow! So, Turbulent Indigo came out and again, I was mesmerized. "The Sire of Sorrow" struck me right away as being utterly timeless and epic. I also loved the title track for its gusto and energy: "He'd piss in their fireplace, he'd drag them through Turbulent Indigo..." Damn straight! Hits and Misses provided an exposure to her older material, which I had up until that point, not really explored, and honestly felt could not possibly live up to her current work. Once I got my bearings regarding her older work, though, I started to buy the individual albums from years gone by. I bought them in trios, starting with Ladies Of The Canyon, Blue and Court & Spark, only because I recognized so many of the songs on the CDs from Hits. It was only last year that I completed my collection with Dog Eat Dog, Clouds and Wild Things Run Fast. And I have yet to get Travelogue, since it's not released in Canada until next week. I've had the last year to really absorb Joni's ENTIRE body of work and only recently could I safely pick a favourite album and a favourite song. My favourite album is Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and my favourite song is Hejira. I love that '75 to '79 period in Joni's work, a period that is often not focused on by the mainstream, unfortunately. But it's very mystical work. Brilliant. Probably the most adventurous work of her career, which is why I love it so much. I tend to look at her work in "chapters" or "acts" - a very literary and theatrical perception, I know, but Joni's music works so marvelously as fiction or cinema, in visual and aural respects. "Paprika Plains" is begging for cinematic use! So, that's a bit about my journey across Joni's enormous sea of music. I'm still paddling, really. It's a part of who I am now. It's shaped my world view and helped broaden my understanding of humanity, as I'm sure it has to many of you too. Now THAT is art! - -Andrew PS: Jody, there are more of us out there. There's got to be. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:19:47 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: XP njc oh the spell checker is there but I don't use it. One because it takes ages and two because it can't spell anyway-unless you call American spelling! I put on the service pack one too. everything seems to be okay. thiings happen that shouldn't sometimes but then they have on 95 and 98 too. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/21/2002 1:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > > > >>I sue >>Netsacpe and IE for browsing >> >> > >I guess a spell checker wasn't bundled in there either! LOL! > >Just joshing with you Colin...hope that John is continuing to improve. > >I had some initial problems with XP but after reloading it it seems to do quite well. > >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:20:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC: Michael Jackson but look how Jodi Foster and whatersname have turned out. oh Drew Barrymore. Victor Johnson wrote: >>Amazing how many childhood stars become so screwed up...Shirley Temple >> >> >ended up OK, but I can't think of too many others. Erica, your heroines >Christina & Britney were once Mousketeers! > > >I saw that there was a show airing on some network about the Little Rascals >and how they all came to terrible endings. > >Victor > > > >--- Victor Johnson >--- waytoblu@mindspring.com >Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > >Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 >Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:23:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC: Michael Jackson there is no doubt he was screwed over by his upbringing. Erica L. Trudelle wrote: > Bob wrote: > I think a lot of his weirdness is simple arrested development, > manifesting the childhood he never had in his later years and having > immense resources to do in bizarre fashion. > > > I know :) I'm just being mean at Michael's expense, I do think he just > got the shaft with his upbringing and it caused him some intense > damage. He just freaks me out sometimes. But that Barbara Walter's > special with him back in '93 made me cry like a baby! > > Erica > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:25:17 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: made re dun dant/now some Tlog thoughts, too njc KJHSF@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/21/2002 2:23:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, >davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: > > > > >>One interpretation is >>that in modern society exposed breasts have become superfluous >> >> > >I always say, "seen two, seen em all.." > > > on the continent we noticed plenty of nude people advertising things on billboards. they also are not prudih on their tv. i think they have a different attitude to human bodies over there. mind you were a bit surprised to fin Canl Plus showing full hardcore in our hotel room. str8 unfortunately.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:28:16 +0000 From: colin Subject: norah jones njc just bought a cd by a young woman called norah jones called come awya with me. not heard of her before. the album is rather pretty. she has a good voice. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:49:47 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Will-not gay enough? NJC >Heather, I can't think of a male/male kiss on network >TV. sorry if someone has already posted this, but there's 60 more messages to slog through and i'd rather write. will and jack had a long kiss, on tv within a tv show, in one episode based on a true incident. probably the first male-male kiss on television was when two non-actor guys outside at time square did a big smooch on one of the live network morning shows. i don't remember the details, but in the episode al roker is interviewing tourists and will plants a huge and pretty long kiss on jack. not gay enough!? will's dialog and delivery are really true to a certain part of the gay world, and (i think) a certain part of every gay man. someone else writes it, but eric mccormack gets it, and for that i worship him. plenty of other straight men play gay so badly, for example more than half the casts of both versions of 'queer as folk', (i've only seen half of one episode of the american version, but it fit point i'm making) and the 'tales of the city' series actors. tonight's actually a big night in will-and-grace-world, with grace supposedly getting married. 90 minutes of w&g! i'm so not a tv person, but i'll be watching the whole time. love love the show... patrick np - bill evans trio at montreau, june 15, 1968 - some day my prince will come ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:23:59 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Will-not gay enough? NJC and qaf QAF gets my attention and have enjoyed parts of it though when they got rid of Dr. David they made a big mistake, in my opinion, as if Michael could attract all these gloriously goodlooking men. The one that he dating now seemed pretty hot at first but now has paled in comparison to David. Emmett is all woman and does it well. Ted does a pretty good fag as well. Brian? Don't know why he is their poster boy. Attractive yes, but have sure seen better. Michael? Liked him a lot at first but now, yuck. How about the uncle? Can he not have love? Does his HIV + status and his age make him unlovable? They never even show him having a date, even an attraction for someone. Justin? Cute. Needs to dump the asshole and find someone else. Queer show but in my book Sharon Gless takes the cake. This offering is not really true to life, at least not in the gay world I have seen, which is considerable. Never once have I heard these guys refer to each other as "girl, girlfriend." Now is that not a staple of queer life, or what? Hope season three brings a bit of the magic of season 1 back cause 2 kinda sucked. I always thought it would be a hoot for Ricky Vasquez to show up in one of the scenes, with Angela in tow. lol. Angela Chase, Rae Ann, Sharon, Patti, come back................. And lest I forget the ladies. Love Lindsay but it is Melanie who has my heart. What a gal. And, for what it is worth, I hate Will and Grace. I watched it a few times after the media hoopla got my attention but the character of Jack is so over the line and I don't think, just my opinion, that having a flaming fag like him on network t.v. is good for us, at this time. Only enforces hate and stereotypes. We are not all Jack but it is a sure bet, I think, that his antics and not those of Will are imprinted on the minds of middle, 'normal' America. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:26:29 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: now some Tlog thoughts, too hey ken: >As I listen to Travelogue, I notice more and more that Joni is in >fine voice >for swingin'! >Be Cool, Flat Tires, God Must Be A Boogie Man, these all come yeah, and it's really exciting. i don't know if you knew this, but 'be cool' and 'trouble man' were part of the sets for the 2000 bsn orchestra tour, and they were amazing... i mourn a little bit for the losses in joni's range and tone, but one of the few things one can improve with age is one's rhythmic acuity and subtlety, and joni's been doing that. it's fecking exciting! >I'd like to hear her do >more work along the lines of her recording with the Kyle Eastward group's >Trouble Man. an album that's been in my player a lot this week. i'm in such agreement. have you ever heard etta james' 1994 'mystery lady'? it's just the tightest, most wonderful album of standards (in this case, associated with billie holiday) i've gotten in the last decade. would be such a good direction for joni to go... sorry listers who've heard me natter on about this album so many times before... patrick np - cesaria evora - eponymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:55:33 -0600 From: johnirving Subject: Is Joni a poet? Nay. I treasure Joni as much as any human being, but the best I would say regarding Joni is that her music is Art, and the words are deeply poetic, but it's not quite poetry. And not being poetry removes her from being a poet. I would define poetry as a literary art form of condensation. It is an intellectual play of words to get at the deepest possible expression of thought and feeling by a deep understanding and consentration of word play. Many of her songs are much like this, but not to the nth degree that the form of Poetry, as we know it, would occur. She would have to do more 'stripping', more condensing and more word play with the written line to enter the true realm of poetry: spirit friend sage's eyes sanity sanity contemplating crying I think it's that border that Joni finds offensive, at least enough that she's often spoken of her dislike of poetry. It's too much of an intellectual game. Only half the crowd 'get's it.' And the mental game strips away some of the power of the thing to communicate and affect the emotions of the reader. Well, save the great poets like Elisabeth Bishop and the like. Another way to look at is cooking. Sugar and water are as to caramel as Morning Morgantown is to Poetry, big P. They both have the same ingredients, but you have to do a certain thing to sugar and water before it enters the catagory of being caramel. And a reduced stock is nothing like Stock. But the fact that Joni is not a poet doesn't make her work any less Poetic or Art. --I am blown away that this tiny little woman (5'7, maybe 110 lbs.) can produce such spectacular vision! Travelogue has been like a visual jewel for me. I see Caravaggio brushwork, deep dark darks and brilliant cries for light in Sire of Sorrow. This is some of the richest arrangements I've ever heard. My hat's off to everyone involved, especially Mendoza. The only minute flaw to T'log is the lack of credits and commentary regarding the performers in the printed word. The arranger, band, orchestra and studio crew joined hands with Joni and produced one of the finest recordings ever made, I think. This is special stuff. So special that I think Joni will be lifted to a new place as well. If she does produce new material, "WATCH OUT!" It's going to have a sound totally new and all it's own. Even if it's just a spare voice, guitar and drums. Her ability to emote the line, play with the melodic flow and rhythm of it are light years improved over anything she's done before. I'm sure she's out to take full advantage of that in any new work. And I think Mendosa and the orchestra have helped open up that fresh new place for her as a singer. You can tell she's responding to the excitement of the aural sounds around her. She's using her voice as a jazz instrument against the band. It's gorgeous stuff. I love how she cuts loose with "Where is hope?" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can feel the sense of desperation there that we all felt Sept. 11th 2001. She is the queen of beauty hands down. Not Poetry. -Better. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:38:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Okay I have to ask! How do we buy the paintings! --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > The good news is that the Mendel Art Museum in > Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada had a book that was > a > retrospective collection of her paintings for sale > as > recently as 4 months ago. > > You can get the phone # from directory assistance > from > the USA (not America). The Mendel will gladly > accept > Visa and Mastercard (at least, maybe others too) and > ship to the USA. They also have a website, http://www.mendel.saskatoon.sk.ca/shop/ and guess where this link will take you directly to? Well, I ain't telling, but let's just say you can still buy both the book and the poster. I ordered these at least a couple of months ago and they shipped them very quickly despite the fact that I had them sent via regular post. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:38:38 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Is Joni a poet? Nay. I agree, wholeheartedly. She is more than a poet. She is poetic, but not a poet. That is far too limiting. I remember her saying once that reading poetry can be like shelling sunflower seeds - too much work for too small a reward. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:50:46 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Travelogue WOW Only you would do this you sly devil. Are you going for the King Of Promotions crown this year?? I wish you avery Happy belated Birthday and am rasing my martini to the west as I type (pause) and thinking fondly of you and Brad of course. I will be out in January and would like to get together with you and have some quality time. Hope all is well with you. Love Paz NP-Don't Know Why-Norah Jones (I just love this woman!) on 11/20/02 12:17 AM, CoyoteRick@aol.com at CoyoteRick@aol.com wrote: > WOW is right!! > > Right now at Casa Alegre sits 35 copies of Travelouge -- and I can't get to > them as I am imprisoned here in the San Diego cul-de-sac city until Thursday > evening!! Brad called me tonight and asked if he could just open one of > them. Argh..but of course, I agreed. He called back saying, "Rick, you have > to hear this!!" I am not a happy camper at the Hilton. > > The other copies are being given to each one of my staff members at our Casa > Alegere Holiday Party on December 6. Fresh meat. > > No regrets (just patience) > Coyote Rick > Casa Alegre > Hollywood California > ...only fools are afraid to be burned by fire... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:43:22 -0800 From: "RSM" Subject: Re: Is Joni a poet? Nay. First, a caveat: I am not a poet and don't play one on TV. I don't even read much poetry. But, regarding whether Joni's lyrics are poetry or not, I think that the suggestion that they are not poetry because they are not "condensed" or "stripped down" overlooks the majority of what we call poetry. Certainly there is poetry, particularly modern poetry, that is very spare in use of words. However, just because it is not a haiku does not make it less than poetry. Compare which is spare, more condensed?: Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore- While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. "'Tis some visitor," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door- Only this, and nothing more." [ Poe] "The big man arrives Disco dancers greet him Plainclothes cops greet him Small town, big man, fresh lipstick glistening Sophomore jive >From victims of typewriters The band sounds like typewriters The big man he's not listening His eyes hold Edith His left hand holds his right What does that hand desire That he grips it so tight" [JM] LET us go then, you and I, When the evening is spread out against the sky Like a patient etherised upon a table; Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets, The muttering retreats Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells: Streets that follow like a tedious argument Of insidious intent To lead you to an overwhelming question... Oh, do not ask, "What is it?" Let us go and make our visit. [TS Eliot] A wristwatch, a ring, a downstairs screamer Edgy-black cracks of the sky "Pin cushion prick fix this poor bad dreamer" "Money" cold shadows reply Pawnshops crisscrossed and padlocked Corridors spit on prayers and pleas Sparks fly up from sweet fire Black soot of lady release [JM] I would hunt down examples of lyrics that are not, to my mind, quality poetry, but that would be too easy. My conclusion is that the only reason Joni's lyrics are not considered poetry is that they are not usually sold that way. In fact, the shocking thing is that lyrics are so readily available on the net while "modern" poetry is not. I tried to find Quincy Troupe's "poem for Magic Johnson" as a great example of modern poetry but you can't find it published on the web. It makes sense that you can't because otherwise you wouldn't buy it in the stores. But all of JM'd lyrics are there for the copying and reading. (As an intellectual property attorney, I am baffled by this) And it is beautiful stuff. Ron in LA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnirving" To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Is Joni a poet? Nay. > I treasure Joni as much as any human being, but the best I would say > regarding Joni is that her music is Art, and the words are deeply > poetic, but it's not quite poetry. And not being poetry removes her from > being a poet. > > I would define poetry as a literary art form of condensation. It is an > intellectual play of words to get at the deepest possible expression of > thought and feeling by a deep understanding and consentration of word > play. Many of her songs are much like this, but not to the nth degree > that the form of Poetry, as we know it, would occur. She would have to > do more 'stripping', more condensing and more word play with the written > line to enter the true realm of poetry: > > spirit friend > sage's eyes > sanity > sanity contemplating crying > > I think it's that border that Joni finds offensive, at least enough that > she's often spoken of her dislike of poetry. It's too much of an > intellectual game. Only half the crowd 'get's it.' And the mental game > strips away some of the power of the thing to communicate and affect the > emotions of the reader. Well, save the great poets like Elisabeth Bishop > and the like. > > Another way to look at is cooking. Sugar and water are as to caramel as > Morning Morgantown is to Poetry, big P. They both have the same > ingredients, but you have to do a certain thing to sugar and water > before it enters the catagory of being caramel. And a reduced stock is > nothing like Stock. > > But the fact that Joni is not a poet doesn't make her work any less > Poetic or Art. --I am blown away that this tiny little woman (5'7, maybe > 110 lbs.) can produce such spectacular vision! Travelogue has been like > a visual jewel for me. I see Caravaggio brushwork, deep dark darks and > brilliant cries for light in Sire of Sorrow. This is some of the richest > arrangements I've ever heard. My hat's off to everyone involved, > especially Mendoza. The only minute flaw to T'log is the lack of credits > and commentary regarding the performers in the printed word. The > arranger, band, orchestra and studio crew joined hands with Joni and > produced one of the finest recordings ever made, I think. This is > special stuff. > > So special that I think Joni will be lifted to a new place as well. If > she does produce new material, "WATCH OUT!" It's going to have a sound > totally new and all it's own. Even if it's just a spare voice, guitar > and drums. Her ability to emote the line, play with the melodic flow and > rhythm of it are light years improved over anything she's done before. > I'm sure she's out to take full advantage of that in any new work. And I > think Mendosa and the orchestra have helped open up that fresh new place > for her as a singer. You can tell she's responding to the excitement of > the aural sounds around her. She's using her voice as a jazz instrument > against the band. It's gorgeous stuff. > > I love how she cuts loose with "Where is hope?" > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > You can feel the sense of desperation there that we all felt Sept. 11th > 2001. She is the queen of beauty hands down. > > Not Poetry. -Better. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #508 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)