From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #500 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 500 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: TIP/tips in general (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: First, they came for the (fill in the blank) ... njc ["Lori Fye" ] Today's Mondegreen ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Today's Mondegreen [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Life can be funny [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni scores another accolade [Little Bird ] Re: Joni scores another accolade [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Life can be funny [Catherine McKay ] Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch [nyroman ] Re: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Me [KJHSF@aol.com] [none] ["William Chavez" ] Re: Latest shocking news from New Orleans!! NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch ["kakki" ] RE: TIP/tips in general (njc) [Franklin Shea ] "TRAVELOGUE" artwork ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] NJC: Objectively(?) speaking [Franklin Shea ] Re: Me (now Me, too!) [Julius Raymond ] Re: Latest shocking news from New Orleans!! NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Latest shocking news from New Orleans!! NJC [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-] Re: Next station, Hope. NJC ["kakki" ] Volunteers Needed !! ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: NJC thoughts, more thoughts [Franklin Shea ] Re: Latest shocking news from New Orleans!! NJC [Susan Guzzi ] RE: Joni scores another accolade, short ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: TIP/tips in general (njc) (TIP: when contemplating along with > other "posters" other potential artists having created "three in a > row" ground-breaking, poetically profound, "filler-free" CDs in a > row; do not, I repeat, do not recommend L.A. Cowboy > http:www.mp3.lacowboy.com under any circumstances: or, word to the > wise, do so at your own risk - as it seems to noticeably irritate a > certain "poster" here for inexplicable reasons, as said "poster" has > confessed a lack of exposure and/or interest in above-stated artist's > music anyway!????) > > If you're referring to me I never once said I was irritated and there was nothing in any of my posts to indicate I was irritated. I made it clear in the beginning that my post was not about the LA Cowboy but about the statement that was made and it was a purely intellectual question in the spirit of debate, out of curiosity more than anything else. As for whether or not I am interested in LA Cowboy's music, I have no idea at this time and quite honestly, have neither the time, the energy, or the money to even worry about it right now. I have my hands quite full, and most likely, will not even be able to pick up "Travelogue" tomorrow. What I do find irritating is the assumption that just because I have not expressed an interest in someone, one way or the other, I somehow "don't like" them or am being critical of them just because I'm not immediately jumping at the opportunity to listen to their music. Being a virtually unknown artist, I know very well about trying to get people to listen to new music and how difficult it can be. I actually appreciate the fact that you are so enthusiastic about this artist. However, you have to allow people a chance to take the initiative to discover someone's music. Just because they don't respond right away does not mean they won't in the future. Have a little patience. I have also found in most cases, the best impression is made when you see someone perform live. Victor, back from Atlanta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:39:48 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: First, they came for the (fill in the blank) ... njc Frightfully interesting, Fred! > all these transactions and communications will go into what the > Defense Department describes as "a virtual, centralized grand > database." Although it's a bit dramatic, also see: http://www.hereinreality.com/bigbrother.html and the website for the Information Awareness Office: http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ Lori, wondering why the number 666 keeps popping into my head ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:48:23 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: NJC National Poetry Month Franklin here: Hey gang, nothing to do with much of anything, but a friend of mine sent me this and I thought that a few of you fellow "poetry" lovers might find it mildly amusing as I did... >>Subject: National Poetry Month >>> >>> This poem is composed entirely of ACTUAL QUOTES from George W. Bush. The >>> quotes have been arranged for aesthetic presentation by Washington Post >>> writer Richard Thompson. Too good not to share during National Poetry >>> Month... G.Dub makes Dan Quayle look like an orator! >> >> >>> >>> MAKE THE PIE HIGHER >>> by George W. Bush >>> >>> I think we all agree, the past is over. >>> This is still a dangerous world. >>> It's a world of madmen and uncertainty >>> and potential mental losses. Rarely is the question asked >>> Is our children learning? >>> >>> Will the highways of the Internet become more few? >>> How many hands have I shaked? They misunderestimate me. >>> I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity. >>> I know that the human being and the fish can coexist. >>> >>> Families is where our nation finds hope, where >>> our wings take dream. Put food on your family! >>> Knock down the tollbooth! >>> Vulcanize society! >>> >>> Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher! Franklin NP Jethro Tull "Thick As A Brick" - Just by coincidence... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:59:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Today's Mondegreen lori said >> ... is brought to you by the merchants who roll their awnings down. : ) "Wrap your dreams in eiderdown"<< shawn colvin sings (in poloroids): please no more therapy mother take care of me piece me together like a needle & thread wrap me in eiderdown a place for your wedding gown (something i forget) & lay me down on your bed (what great lyrics!) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:57:15 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Mondegreen In a message dated 11/18/2002 9:52:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > lori said >> > ... is brought to you by the merchants who roll their awnings > down. : ) > "Wrap your dreams in eiderdown"<< > > shawn colvin sings (in poloroids): > > please no more therapy > mother take care of me > piece me together like a needle & thread > wrap me in eiderdown > Carly Simon sings (in After the Storm) Wind's pulling the moon down, Underneath the eiderdown You're taking me to town and tossing me around..." kinda sexy, huh? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:00:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Life can be funny In a message dated 11/18/2002 9:12:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Well, it had better be your wife, or I'm ratting you out!!! > Jesus Catherine, who dreams of having sex with their wife? ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:01:37 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni scores another accolade Monday, November 18, 2002 Mitchell, Furtado win Socan awards By ANGELA PACIENZA Canadian Press TORONTO -- Renowned songstress Joni Mitchell and pop princess Nelly Furtado were among the honourees at the 2002 Socan awards. Presented by the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada, the awards recognize the Canadian songwriters whose work received the most domestic radio, film and TV airplay in 2001. Country star Paul Brandt was the host for Monday night's gala ceremony at the Art Gallery of Ontario. Mitchell was given the Wm. Harold Moon Award for her contribution in bringing international recognition to Canada through her music. Hailed as one of the most influential singer-songwriters of her generation, Mitchell, 59, wrote and performed songs such as Big Yellow Taxi, Help Me, The Circle Game and Both Sides Now. In the pop category singer Nelly Furtado's songs I'm Like a Bird and Turn Off the Light were honoured for achieving the greatest number of performances on domestic radio. Alt-rockers Nickelback, country singer Carolyn Dawn Johnson, hip-hop artist Kardinal Offishall and Celtic band Leahy also won awards. Myles Goodwyn, frontman of rock band April Wine, received the National Achievement Award. Formed in Halifax in 1969, April Wine had a successful career putting out 13 albums, which included the hit songs Fast Train, You Could Have Been A Lady and Just Between You and Me. James Leroy, Terry Jacks and Ken Tobias were each awarded with Socan Classics Awards for songs that reached the 100,000 airplay mark on Canadian radio in 2001. A second Socan ceremony is being held Tuesday in Montreal to recognize outstanding music creators from Quebec Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:05:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni scores another accolade In a message dated 11/18/2002 10:02:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > TORONTO -- Renowned songstress Joni Mitchell and pop > princess Nelly Furtado were among the honourees at the > 2002 Socan awards. > Now it's just a matter of waiting for her to publicly trash the award & dismiss Nelly Furtado as a wanabee and then complain about her lack of recognition! ;~) Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "The Fuse" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:24:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Re: Life can be funny --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated > Jesus Catherine, who dreams of having sex with their > wife? ;~) > Not me! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:27:09 -0500 From: nyroman Subject: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch This is just too much!!! LOL Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1970133706 Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:27:55 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni scores another accolade > Now it's just a matter of waiting for her to publicly trash the award & > dismiss Nelly Furtado as a wanabee and then complain about her lack of > recognition! ;~) > > Bob > Well they *did* honor Terry Jacks in the same ceremony. Mark E in Seattle We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons going round and round and the painted ponies.....well, maybe not. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:38:51 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch Well I doubt it will do any good but I just emailed the seller to educate them and told them to take Joni's name off of this auction or I will report them to Ebay for fraud. Mark E in Seattle > This is just too much!!! LOL Check this out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1970133706 > > Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:14:07 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Me Hi all - I should introduce myself. My name is Andrew Ritchie and I hail from Ottawa, Canada. Just joined. I've done a bit of transcribing for Jim Johanson and JoniMitchell.com, and I'm known as his "Canadian Connection" since I always seem to be the first one from north of the border to inform him of the goings on with Joni's Canadian cognoscenti. I've been a fan of Joni's since 1991's Night Ride Home. I'm 25 years old but have collected each and every Joni Mitchell album since I was first charmed in the early part of the last decade by Joni's music. It's Joni's way with lyrical composition and speech rhythm that most attract me to her work. I think she is vastly underestimated as a vocalist, despite her vocal troubles of late. I'm the only one in my peer group who seems to fully "get" Joni's work, which is a bit sad and sometimes lonely. No one really understands what I understand about her work or sees what I see, regarding its wisdom, it's beauty and its truth. But now I'm here and have a multitude of people (in Exxon blue?) to share my thoughts and news with. Looking forward to more discussion with the release of Travelogue! Cheers everyone - Andrew Favourite album: DJRD Favourite song: Hejira Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:05:07 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Me Welcome Andrew! I'm glad you found us! This is a great group of folks and you are gonna love having people to discuss all kinds of Joni stuff! Welcome. Hejira is my favorite tune as well! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:10:00 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] What is this cookbook that everyboby keeps talking about? Will _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:12:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Latest shocking news from New Orleans!! NJC It takes ONE to know ONE dear hippie girl!!!! Hiccup, ya'll (did you catch that ya'll she's starting to talk like us. Paz on 11/13/02 10:07 PM, Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup at christi@dsr.kvl.dk wrote: > > Talking about Jack's release, I hope too to see MANY of you at his release > party the 12th of December and that you'll try and stay for the weekend for a > minifest. It'd be FANTASTIC to relive Jonifest 2002 being reunited with my new > hippie friends! > > > My best to y'all, > Christina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:13:21 -0800 From: cul heath Subject: joni on bravo To All... I will be taping the show here in Canada of course...but need to know if this show will be available in the US. If not, I'll see what I can do about making copies for whomever might want one. cul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:13:58 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell: Hedwig and the Angry Inch I though maybe someone stoked some baad peyote before they listed it. the horror LOL Kakki > Well I doubt it will do any good but I just emailed the seller to educate > them and told them to take Joni's name off of this auction or I will report > them to Ebay for fraud. > > Mark E in Seattle > > > This is just too much!!! LOL Check this out: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1970133706 > > > > Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:23:15 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Article says Joni's calling it quits Bitch!!! on 11/14/02 6:19 PM, Chris Marshall at chris@secure-si.co.uk wrote: > Lama asked:- >> I think Bennett's on to something. What if Joni did a >> barebones project. Just one instrument and voice. No >> production. Just one project that's just demo-like >> simplicity. Would you buy it? > > I'd be there like a shot. I'd even allow her two instruments > and a touch of *subtle* percussion. > > ...as long as she didn't use either:- > > (a) a goddam VG-8. I'd prefer a real acoustic guitar. > (b) Larry Klein > > (ducks, runs for cover) > > --Chris > > If your name's M. Paz, ignore point (a). > If your name's L. Klein, ignore point (b). Point (a) optional. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:24:01 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor Subject: Re: Repaving paradise Deb Messling posted: << NY Daily News review: full text Repaving paradise Joni Mitchell orchestrates her past; JONI MITCHELL "Travelogue" (Nonesuch) Who but Joni Mitchell would have the nerve to record a tribute album to herself?... If Mitchell's vocals can seem detached from the immediacy of the experience, she connects to a newly considered point of view. Placed amid the grandeur of the orchestral arrangements, Mitchell sounds as if she were looking back at her earthly experiences from the afterlife, delighting in the perceptions and errors of her past with a serene wisdom. In the end "Travelogue" seems almost like a supernatural piece of theater unlike anything else out there, and quite apart from anything the artist has done before. From Joni Mitchell, should we expect anything less? >> This is BEAUTIFUL!!! I've been wondering when the all-star tribute to Joni would finally be released. Did Joni suddenly switched from Reprise to Nonsuch for Travelogue because Reprise insisted on putting Madonna on her long promised tribute album??? SOMETHING must have REALLY pissed her off to quit music forever! ;~* ET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:30:02 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: RE: TIP/tips in general (njc) > Franklin stated,in a somewhat rambunctious tone - sorry, twas me >little attitude flairing up and me not slappin' er' down> (TIP: when >contemplating >along with other "posters" other potential artists >having created "three in >a row" ground-breaking, poetically >profound, "filler-free" CDs in a > > row; do not, I repeat, do not recommend L.A. Cowboy >> http:www.mp3.lacowboy.com under any circumstances: or, word to the >> wise, do so at your own risk - as it seems to noticeably irritate a >> certain "poster" here for inexplicable reasons, as said "poster" has >> confessed a lack of exposure and/or interest in above-stated artist's >> music anyway!????) > > > >Victor replied> If you're referring to me I never once said I was >irritated and there was nothing in any of my posts to indicate I was >irritated. I made it clear in the beginning that my post was not >about the LA Cowboy but about the statement that was made and it >was a purely intellectual question in the >spirit of debate, out of curiosity more than anything else. Franklin> Actually, dear Victor, it was not directed towards anything you posted at all. Had nothing to do with your comments etc.... Please accept my humble apology for unnecessarily offending/hurting your spirit (I was actually after someone else's lol - I know, it's time to grow up!! Let it go and you'll surely grow! Hey, not bad, eh?). So you play music? Do you have a web site, or Internet mp3's I could listen to anywhere. I appreciate your spirit, and if that is any indication of your music, I'd like to check it out. Love Atlanta - and can always use another friend there! Franklin NP Dave Grusin - hot, hot compilation tape! P.S. Just "copying" ya' on this Kate cause' Victor did. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:39:09 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "TRAVELOGUE" artwork Oh my God! The master has outdone herself this time. This is what the "hits" package should have looked like if the full gravity of her work was to be complimented. She didn't slap THIS one together. I didn't even get to the music yet. I popped open the artwork, read 2/3rds of it and had to post immediately. Oh, my God! Standing in awe, Jim "Man-of-God" PS, Yes the record store sold it to me before midnight. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:41:45 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: NJC: Objectively(?) speaking Fred stated to Gordon's question of "objectivity"> Attaining true human objectivity is probably akin to attaining the speed of light ... one can continually approach it yet never totally get there. But I think there are some ideas, concepts, judgments, etc., that can come very close to objectivity. In artistic terms, it is a nearly objective, nearly universal, assessment that Joni (or Miles Davis, Beethoven, Shakespeare, what have you) is a great artist. This has nothing to do with taste ... there are many people for whom she is not their cup of tea. Indeed, popularity, in and of itself, is a dangerous test of objective artistic worth; millions of folks think The Beatles were great artists, and in a nearly objective sense this is likely true, but millions also think that Kenny G is a great artist, and in a nearly objective sense this is likely false. In other words, there are criteria that can be used to measure the excellence of craft, skill, inspiration, and invention in artistic endeavors, criteria which can be taught and learned, either formally or informally. There are reasons why the songs of Richard Rodgers are exceptional, reasons which are revealed in the very nuts-and-bolts of his work, and reasons why the songs of Andrew Lloyd Weber fail to meet these standards despite his massive popularity. Franklin> Really appreciated these contributions Fred. I couldn't have said it better myself (the ultimate compliment?? LOL), but then again, I don't have to: you already have... Well chosen examples to make points also! Bravo Franklin NP Still groovin' on Grusin - - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:37:49 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Me (now Me, too!) Welcome to the JMDL, Andrew! Francophile describes one who is enamored of French culture, I'm wondering what term applies to those who hold Canadian music dear. That would be me. Neil Young, Barenaked Ladies, Rush and of course my beloved Siquomb (...and you know there may be more). Oh Canada... > It's Joni's way with lyrical composition and speech > rhythm that most attract me to her work. Me, too! Yet the beauty of her musical genius is so multi-layered that even as she vocalizes so succinctly, she does magic with her gestural and percussive guitar, dulcimer and piano virtuosity. At the moment I'm thinking of "Coyote" ... how inspired her speech rhythm throughout, how allegorical her lyrics. (I've always marveled at how the first three words of the song form a true "exposition," setting forth the meaning and purpose of the song so cleverly from the get go.) One barely has the sensual capacity to give attention to the simultaneous beauty that is the cadence of her guitar playing, and the sense of movement it conveys. To me, her artistic gifts are otherworldly. A woman who tunes her guitar to the sounds she hears in her mind, and in so doing transforms it into an instrument no one else has ever played before. Kinda... But I digress, and my brevity deficit disorder is showing. I was just gonna say that I subscribe to the "don't worry about what you can't control" school of thought with regard to recognition of Joni's vocal acuity. I don't characterize her voice as being underestimated when I know that *I'm* appreciating it with all *my* heart. I don't care if Rolling Stone ever prints platitudes about her, or if all of her albums don't go platinum. There is no better authority than my own ears, I figure. I'll just buy my copy of Travelogue tomorrow, my most sincere form of flattery, and let providence handle the rest. Looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on Joni's music, Andrew. Glad you're here. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:45:53 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Latest shocking news from New Orleans!! NJC Yes Michael I did notice, but what I noticed more ... was how she dropped the word "old" from in front of hippie friends to "new." Unlike at fest Christina, when you referred to us as a bunch of old hippies! I liked you up till then Christina. ;-P JK! Peace, Susan NP: Joni/ In France They Kiss On Main Street - --- Michael Paz wrote: > It takes ONE to know ONE dear hippie girl!!!! > > Hiccup, ya'll (did you catch that ya'll she's starting to talk like us. > > Paz > > on 11/13/02 10:07 PM, Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup at christi@dsr.kvl.dk > wrote: > > > > > Talking about Jack's release, I hope too to see MANY of you at his release > > party the 12th of December and that you'll try and stay for the weekend for a > > minifest. It'd be FANTASTIC to relive Jonifest 2002 being reunited with my new > > hippie friends! > > > > > > My best to y'all, > > Christina Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:50:50 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Joni TV documentary Damn stingy Canadian bastards! I say we add Canada to President Bush'es "Axis Of Evil". Right, lads! Let have your small arms, or we'll sic the United Nations on you! And while you're at it, hand over the Joni special! Make it snappy! Making diplomacy look easy, Lama Randy Remote said, > Very cool! > Note that this is Bravo Canada. The US counterpart has no > listing for this program in November. Yassup with that? > michael o'malley wrote: > > > Here it is folks! > > Just in time to celebrate Travelogue! Airing Teusday, November > 19th, 2002 > > from 9pmET (6PM PT) > > See this two-hour documentary at > > > > http://www.bravo.ca/aw_music/ > > > > Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now And Then > > In this exclusive documentary, the renowned Canadian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:05:10 +0100 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: Latest shocking news from New Orleans!! NJC Michael wrote: > > It takes ONE to know ONE dear hippie girl!!!! > Susan replied: .. she dropped the > word "old" from in > front of hippie friends to "new." Unlike at fest Christina, when you > referred to us as a bunch of > old hippies! I apologize: Sorry, this was a mistake! I'll change it back to "old hippies"... Christina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:09:09 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Next station, Hope. NJC Hmmm, my cynical, non-professional response would be to answer along the lines of b) and d). My semi-professional response would be to ask why no one advised that the artist needed to get clearances to use the voices. Don't know how the law works in Spain, but in the U.S. there is (in simplistic terms) the thought that if you let one get away with infringment, then eventually many/all will be infringed. How would you feel if say, Woody Allen, used dubbed your voice in one of his movies? If I ask myself the same question, I probably wouldn't like someone using my recorded voice without my permission, but I don't know that I would want to bother with a lawsuit, either. Perhaps, however, whatever agency represented the plaintiffs, wants to bring the suit and it may not have been originated by the actual plaintiffs. Kakki Mike asked: > Are these plaintiffs a) bravely standing up against piracy, b) greedy > bastards, c) dickheads who can't take a joke or d) unwitting victims of > voracious lawyers who are desperate to get every penny out of a recording > session that took place 7 years ago. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:24:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Volunteers Needed !! Attention! Later on Tuesday the JMDL is going to have an urgent need and we need volunteers. Now's your opportunity to step in and give something back to the community that's given so much. On the official release date in Canada and the USA we need to hand out cutlery, napkins, and motion-sickness bags to JMDLers who will be eating their words about the "high cost" of TRAVELOGUE. Let's ease their pain if we can shall we? Very smug indeed tonight, Lama np: my beloved "For The Roses" on TRAVELOGUE, following my beloved "Ludwig's Tune" on TRAVELOGUE "You mean I get to put this on whenever I want to?...... Really?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:28:04 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: Re: NJC thoughts, more thoughts Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:43:22 -0500 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC thoughts, more thoughts > Franklin> It's odd, but think of how much "fear" indifference, > indifferently creates. The one ignored thinking "what is wrong with > me? Is it something I said, did? Am I not worth anything? Is it my > looks, social standing?" Indifference inadvertently breeds fear then, > in many situations - unless the one passed by has a solid self-image. Julius responds> What you're describing sounds more like "paranoia" to me, Franklin, which is defined as "irrational suspicion," whereas "fear" relates to the (rational) expectation or awareness of danger. Just a thought. Franklin> Point well taken Julius. While I agree that I boxed myself in a bit there, I'm not stating the next thought from any "defensive" posture. You've merely stimulated my mind (thank you) into further thought. There are obviously types of fear that aren't exclusively the result of "the (rational) expectation or awareness of danger. For instance, the fear of rejection - which, I suppose, can be rational or irrational, yet is a very real, even paralyzing, form of fear nonetheless. That's just one example that comes to mind. While I agree that one could construe concepts described in my above statement as possibly describing "paranoia" as opposed to fear; there are people that feel/react that way when treated indifferently without necessarily being paranoid (some folks are more sensitive and therefore prone to emotional pain than others - hell, some people are just plain thin-skinned, like moi fur' instance...;) lol...(please, tell me: you are laughing WITH me, aren't you?? Please?) ;) Perhaps some of the reactions to indifference that I inadequately described simply as "fear" would be more aptly characterized as emotional pain, or hurt feelings (which can certainly easily be irrational as well - dang those ol' feelings anyhoo!). I don't know.. I'm confused... I've never really been "irrational" before. (har har, wink,nod, kaboink). And paranoia? Me? Paranoid? Of what? Who? Is there something I don't know? Is it important? Am I in some kind of trouble? Do you think my Dr. was leveling with me about...??? :) ;) Appreciated. Keep em' comin' Julius, Franklin NP Warren Zevon "Send Lawyers, Guns and Money" - coincidence, honest....;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:30:33 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Latest shocking news from New Orleans!! NJC Okay, I know you all held me back at fest when she said it ... but now I really am gonna have to kick her ass! LOL! And that's coming from an OLD hippie ... see you at fest sister! ;-) Peace, Susan NPIMH: The Beatles/When I'm 64 I said: Unlike at fest Christina, when you > > referred to us as a bunch of > > old hippies! > She said: > I apologize: > > Sorry, this was a mistake! I'll change it back to "old hippies"... > > C:hristina Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:42:17 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: Re: NJC Praise for the Shea's Hey Deb, I guess there's Shea's every which-a-way! Maybe we should all band together and become the next Kennedy dynasty! On second thought, bad idea. Too many accidents - not to mention crooked politicians, drunks, know-it-alls, spoiled rotten brats and assorted ner-do-wells.... oh,oh! Was I just describing the Kennedy's, or the Irish in general? I forgot? WINK! Thanks for the correspondence "cuz"...:) Franklin NP The Chieftans with Van Morrison (who else? ;) One of the finest CD's of the century - "no filler" - if yur' Irish, that is! lol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:50:08 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Joni scores another accolade, short Hey, welcome home, Little Bird. I can just hear our Norma now. "Oh, _that_ award? The little one? From the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers? That one doesn't count!" Lama, who wonders if he should make a joke out of giving her the "Moon" Little Bird said, > TORONTO -- Renowned songstress Joni Mitchell and pop > princess Nelly Furtado were among the honourees at the > 2002 Socan awards. > > Presented by the Society of Composers, Authors and > Music Publishers of Canada, the awards recognize the > Canadian songwriters whose work received the most > domestic radio, film and TV airplay in 2001. > > Country star Paul Brandt was the host for Monday > night's gala ceremony at the Art Gallery of Ontario. > Mitchell was given the Wm. Harold Moon Award for her > contribution in bringing international recognition to > Canada through her music. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:55:02 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: Re: NJC More praise (or is it prays?) for the Shea's >Franklin again - postscript to Debra > >Debra stated>And, hey, are you saying the Irish are not polite? >You're sounding like Princess Margaret, but she probably wasn't >doing any lol-ing. Franklin> HELL NO, I'm not saying that !!###***## What in the WORLD would ever give ya' that friggin' idea!!?? (Just couldn't resist...;) BTY - You're the first, and I do mean FIRST person in the world whose ever said I sounded like Princess Margaret? How intriguing? Who is she anyway? Is she from NY..;) I've heard there are a lot of Princesses there - but not necessarily Irish! LOL In any event, I'd like to meet her - she sounds so, so... intelligent@! hahahaha Franklin NP same CD, - tol' ya it didn't have any skippers ("filler")....kaboink, wink! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:55:08 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: First, they came for the (fill in the blank) ... njc In a message dated 11/18/02 8:40:02 PM, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: >Although it's a bit dramatic, also see: >http://www.hereinreality.com/bigbrother.html Well, I'd say drama is entirely appropriate in this case, wouldn't you? I've always been cynical about our government, but honestly, I never thought I'd live to see it get this scary. And to think that all these men are in power only because a bloodless coup was staged in November, 2000. It's a goddamn nightmare. - -Fred ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #500 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)