From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #497 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 17 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 497 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc love and its brutal adversaries [Franklin Shea ] Re: love etc. [was love is longsuffering] NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] woody njc ["Kate Bennett" ] the cookbook, STILL! ["joe farrell" ] MARK YOUR CALENDARS!! JONIFEST 2003!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Travelogue Review in EW [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni, "an original" (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni and Woody [sean hewitt ] Re: so sad [AsharaJM@aol.com] T'log reviewed in EW [KLCass21@aol.com] Nonsense postings from a born-again lurker (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: john sickNJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: whores NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: john sickNJC [Janet Hess ] Re: men!!!NJC [vince ] Joni And the Beatles ["Paul Headon" ] Re: john sickNJC [Susan Guzzi ] RE: men!!!NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Travelogue album edition issue ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Life can be funny ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Jack Neilson [Michael Paz ] Re: Meanie! ... now Letterman [Les Irvin ] Re: Travelogue question (again) - NJC [Julius Raymond Subject: Re: njc love and its brutal adversaries >dsk wrote: > >> Franklin Shea wrote: >> > >> > I do recognize that the opposite of love is hate. >> >> Is it? I've always thought of indifference as the opposite of love. At > > least with hate there's still some emotional involvement. Not so >with indifference. >> > >Collin> I see where you are both coming from with this. I have >another take on it. I think the opposite of love is fear. Fear is >the root of all things negative, I feel. fear of death, fear of >rejection, of not being good enough, of poverty, of not having >enough, of being alone, of being unloved, of sickness. fear prevents >love being given and accepted. Fear lies at the root of dogma, >absolutism, the 'i am always right syndrome', racism, sexism, >homophobia, cruelty, child abuse, war, greed, the list is endless. >Hatred is fear unrecognized and out of control. Franklin> Colin, my man! Once again a excellent contribution. You are really ringin' today. A famous philosopher stated: "Perfect love casts out fear." (there's that "perfect" word again - lol). It is interesting to me to note that he also passed by "hate" to get to the crux of the matter! Well-thought and well-spoken, my friend. A philosophic asset to these thoughts indeed. Thank you again, Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:43:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: john sickNJC healing beams to john! > So send your best thoughts out for John please. > bw > colin ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:43:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: love etc. [was love is longsuffering] NJC colin >i think the opposite of love is fear.< me too, when i feel love, fear is absent when i feel fear, love is absent... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:43:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: suggestion njc franklin, how about if you write something about joni, your favorite album or when you first heard her or something along those lines i have scrolled past your postings in the past few days due to the length & bantering nature of them & i suspect you maybe turning off some folks unintentionally... you seem quite intelligent so how about a joni subject to bring it all back to why we are all here? ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:43:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: woody njc catherine wrote >he's an ugly old man and he keeps going after these young women (and for some weird reason, he gets them too - is it his, um, charm (where?) or his money? I dunno.< maybe its that he plays his clarinet for free...(does that make this post now jc?) lol... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:11:07 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: the cookbook, STILL! Cynthia do UK listers qualify for a copy of this incredible cookbook? If so what do we need to do? Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:51:31 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: MARK YOUR CALENDARS!! JONIFEST 2003!! "We Had A Fest" (to the tune of "I Had A King") by Bob Muller We had a fest at the Full Moon near Bethel, Playing & singing & channeling Ethel just swell And randomly raising hell The food was sublime, don't you know And the time there was oh so great! The rooms were the best, but for most of the fest We stayed up way too late And now it's time to plan again, We gotta go, no matter when So make your plans and make them soon For the Full Moon, for the Full Moon We'll have a fest in the Catskills near Woodstock Going to workshops and listening to good rock & roll And jamming to folk & soul If nature you like, you can go for a hike Just please don't feed the bears! Or swim in the pool, if you want to 'be cool' Or relax, with no cares... And we'll go back there every year To feast and sing and share good cheer The fests are great, They really rate, Don't hesitate!! ANNOUNCING.............. THE 6th Annual NORTHEAST BACK TO THE GARDEN JONIFEST!!!!!! WHEN: Thursday, August 7, 2002- Unofficial start for those wishing to settle in to Full Moon a day early to relax, connect with people, and do some musical jamming. Official Time: Friday, August 8, 2:00 PM through Monday, August 11, 11:00 AM 2002 WHERE: The Full Moon Alternative Resort and Conference Center, Oliverea, NY Full Moon Website WHAT: LOTS of live music (mostly Joni), Joni sing-a-longs, a chance to connect with JMDL friends old and new, giveaways galore, and much, much more! THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION: There are a limited number of beds available, (around 65) and they will be offered on a first-come, first served basis, according to when your deposit is received. There is also ample camping available, and the least expensive accomodation. If it is important to you to have a bed as opposed to a camp site, please send your deposit in right away! WHAT YOU NEED TO DO Every year there is an "admission fee" which is a way for us to help support both JMDL.com and JoniMitchell.com To reserve your spot at the party, you will need 3 things: *NOTE* THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED!! 1. A nonrefundable donation in ANY amount, checks payable to JIM JOHANSON, and sent to me at: (You can also do this through Paypal) Ashara Productions, LLC 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 USA This year, your donation benefits the JoniMitchell.com website. Please be as generous as you can. (Each year, the donations are alternated between JoniMitchell.com and JMDL.com.) 2. The completed questionnaire by e-mail. NO ONE will be admitted without the questionnaire completely filled out! **This incudes partners that may be attending with you.** 3. Your hard copy release form and NONREFUNDABLE $100 deposit, payable to: Ashara Productions, LLC and sent to the above address. The remainder will be due by June 15, 2002. THE NORTHEAST BACK TO THE GARDEN MAILING LIST If you would like to be on the separate mailing list for the Northeast Back to the Garden Jonifest, send a blank e-mail message to: NortheastJonifest-subscribe@yahoogroups.com GIVEAWAYS GALORE!!!!!!! The giveaways were SO much fun last year, we are repeating it!! Giveaways? WHAT GIVEAWAYS??? Wonderful goodies from all over the world!! How can you participate? 1. Donate to the giveaways! Please send any and all giveaway items you would like to donate (Joni memorabilia, songbooks, magazine articles, CD's, pictures and artwork of Joni, videos, posters, CD's from our talented JMDLers, David? Fred? Bryan? Claud? Kate? Victor? Paul? Linda? Others?) In short, anything wonderful that would be fun to include. (Please don't send your dirty socks!) 2. One giveaway includes EVERYONE whether you can make it to Jonifest or not in August. EVERY person who sends a donation for Jim will be automatically entered to win a prize. (You need not be present to win.) 3. EVERY Jonifest attendee will be eligible for a separate Jonifest-only giveaway! So.....everyone has a chance to win something! If you would like to get in on the fun, and you have any items to donate toward the giveaways, please send them to: Ashara Productions, LLC 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 USA It would be great to get as many items ahead of time as possible, so they can be sorted out and so we can see what we have to offer. (Also, so in the future, {Oh, NO! Ashara has an ulterior motive!} I can keep all of you updated to what might be in the giveaways and entice you to send your donations/attend the Jonifest!) ;-) Some of these items will be used towards a raffle to be held during the Fest. Raffle tickets will be $1.00 each, or 6 for $5.00. FOR MORE INFORMATION, AND TO SIGN UP: www.jonifest.com SEE YOU THERE!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:56:18 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue Review in EW Lindsay Moon writes: >Joan goes to the head of the class again! (And please tell me why, when >BSN came out, it was, 'oh, why isn't she doing her material?' and now that >she is doing her material, she's "conceited.") The word "conceit" when used as a noun means "a thought" or "a fanciful idea." - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:02:48 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, "an original" (NJC) Smurf wrote: <> COOL!!!!!!!!! Good luck on the Fest!! I, for one, am going to kick up my heels, drink a lot, wake up reeeeeeeeeeeal late, and sing Ethel Merman at the top of my lungs!! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:05:23 -0800 (PST) From: sean hewitt Subject: Joni and Woody Hi, I'm a long-time JM fan who has just joined the list. I just wanted to say that I heard Travelogue two days ago and it's stunning. The songs from Hejira are especially well done and the sequence on the second disc that puts The Refuge Of The Roads next to Hejira itself before going to Chinese Cafe is so beautiful and moving that it almost defies description. On another point, Mike Pritchard says of Woody Allen "I stopped liking him after he started referring to women as 'cunts' in his movies." While I understand people taking offence at some of Allen's personal conduct, and I agree that you have every right to stop liking people for whatever reason you see fit, I simply don't buy this argument at all. I can only recall this word cropping up in Deconstructing Harry - he certainly doesn't utter the word in Celebrity because he ain't in it - but in DH he was playing a misogynistic character. He wasn't appearing as himself. Maybe you don't like that word but a lot of people use it. Its very force in the film came from it being completely unexpected from WA - proof that he still weights every word in his screenplays. Objecting to someone's movies because one character uses an offensive word just seems a bit...odd to me. Characters in Philip Roth's novels (and Roth is said to be an inspiration for the lead character in DH) use such words all the time. Should we "stop liking" him too? Recent WA films I've enjoyed include DH and the great Sweet And Lowdown but others, such as the aforementioned Celebrity, are weak indeed. Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:50:50 -0500 From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: so sad Walt wrote: > judy collins and joan baez' voices are still beautiful > and neither smokes. Well, as you can see, I am catching up on some of the many, many digests that are sitting in my in box. I very recently saw Judy Collins in concert, and although I really like her and it was a great concert, Judy's voice is not what it used to be at all. I have been listening to Travelogue and I really love it. I didn't love BSN, so my expectation for this one wasn't high at all. But I really, really love it. This is a mature Joni, and I identify with her. I have matured in years, just as she has, and *my* voice isn't what it was 20-30 years ago either. But I *like* where her voice is now. I'm enjoying hearing a refreshing sound to her songs. I am falling in love with songs that I used to skip when I listened to them. Most importantly, Joni is singing her songs the way *she* wants to now, and she is happy. You can hear it in Travelogue. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:02:28 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: T'log reviewed in EW Hi This may be old news by now, but the current issue of Entertainment Weekly (Harry Potter hype on the cover) gives Travelogue an A-. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:04:08 -0500 From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Nonsense postings from a born-again lurker (NJC) Laurent wrote: > Still looking for more tattooed rock'n rollers on this list.>> Raising hand........ Got the tatoos (just added another in September while visiting #2 son in CO, when he said, "Mom, let's do a mother-son bonding thing.") but more of a folkie than a rock n' roller. :-) Hugs, Ashara {feeling very post-happy today!} ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:29:32 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: john sickNJC > So send your best thoughts out for John please. Lots of white light on its way, Colin! Hoping all is well with John soon, Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:33:49 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: whores NJC << it's okay for a guy to run around with his shirt open just enough to show the top of his hairy chest, or in a pair of pants that clearly shows the outline of his dick >> > Sorry if my wardrobe offends you, Lori. Bob!!! You KNOW it turns me on when you dress that way!! : ) Lori, rarely offended by much of anything, least of all hairy chests and willy outlines ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:47:46 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: john sickNJC Pummeling John with healing energy! Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, currently beaming healing energy from dreamland dreamland > > So send your best thoughts out for John please. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:44:29 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: men!!!NJC colin poignantly asks: > What is it with men(genraliasation here?) Then he says: > John is still rough, habving to use the inahler but better than in the > early hours. Taking his pills as prescribed. > BUT he thinks he going to work on monday!!!! > What is it with men(genraliasation here?) WHY cannot they just be ill? > WHY is getting them to a dr like trying to get them to jump off evrest? > WHY dot hey have to so fucking stupid and play the hero 'oh I'm all > right' when it is quite clear to anyone with a rain that they are not! > A chest infection to the point of near suffocation is NOT minor and will > not be better by Mondy. So obviously Colin is unhappy with John because John is not taking his current illness seriously, and the risk to John of John's blasi behavior is harming his health. So Colin's response to John's further ruining his health is to say: > > I could kill him! > Possible responses: 1. Typical male comment. 2. That is the solution to John not taking care of himself. Killing John will prevent John from further ruining his health. 3. Colin has adopted the old Margaret Thatcher method of problem solving, thus displaying his feminine side. Since I have no idea which is the correct response, I will say nothing, and simply pray that there is no Hagan Daz in Colin's freezer. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:20:03 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Joni And the Beatles If Joni retires now I wont be sorry. I say this because if she does, like the Beatles), she will leave behind a body of work lacking any significantly flawed albums. Her massive output is of the very highest quality throughout and if she signs off with Travelogue she will leave us on a terrific artistic high (judging from what I have heard so far...) Good Luck Joni and please do a concert tour I travelled 6000 miles round trip for the last one. I would very gladly travel anywhere to see you again !! Paul Headon Wales UK - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: john sickNJC Dear Colin, Here's hoping John continues to recover AND take care of himself. Glad it wasn't as serious as it first appeared to be. Healthy wishes to you both! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:26:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: men!!!NJC me too sweetie. i started smoking again 6 months ago and i've already reached a pack a day. only pleasure left in my life. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: colin [mailto:colin@tantra-apso.com] Enviado el: Sabado, 16 de Noviembre de 2002 06:34 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni Asunto: Re: men!!!NJC I write this as I am puffing away on mine.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:22:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Travelogue album edition issue Does anyone wish to retract their complaint about the "high" list price of $34.98 (in US Dollars) for an enhanced CD, a 2nd all-music CD, and two booklets? The line forms on the gauche. Thank you. (Not on the RIGHT side. Hee hee) Smart-alec on the case, Lama > And I should probably have made it clear earlier that this wonderful package is indeed included in all standard, US domestic versions of "Travelogue" (thankfully...), and is not a special edition in any way, shape or form. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:24:31 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: wow, such judgement njc We never WERE children. Erica asked: > What do flower children become when they grow-up? > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:57:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Low Subject: RE: Joni's calling it quits Hi everyone, A rare post from OZ! It goes without saying how disappointed I am that we may not see another album of original material from Joni. I was hoping her recent explorations into orchestration and reworking of familiar songs might have lead to a renewed enthusiasm and inspiration. In much the same way that Dylans two-album rediscovery of his folk roots in the 1990s resulted in two subsequent albums of great new material, Time Out of Mind and Love & Theft. However, if this decision of hers is indeed final, perhaps she might like to consider writing and publishing some poetry. It has often been said how well many of her lyrics stand up on the printed page and I feel sure she could produce a real stunner of a poetry collection. After all, there are precedents she could follow. The most obvious is, of course, Leonard Cohen who is highly respected as both a poet and songwriter. The Grateful Deads Robert Hunter is another great lyricist and a fine poet. I think Lou Reed, too, has published poetry and there are probably others I cant recall at the moment. Anyway, Id love to see a book of poetry by Joni Mitchell. It would help ease the immense disappointment at the prospect of no new songs. We need her voice in the world today just as much as we did back in the 1960s and 70s! Cheers, John (in Sydney) Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:15:27 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Life can be funny I once drempt Joni was "playing Twister" with an animal that resembled a camel....... Should I go to confession? Jim, "lying" about lying and not talkin' [did anyone follow that?] PS, I just might go see Tori in Indianapolis next Sunday...... I just heard "Boys For Pele" last night for the first time. On vinyl. Oh, my! Why didn't someone recommend this album? :) > I don't know anything about Tori Amos, but last night I dreamed that she released an EP with a cover of Blonde in the Bleachers. Bob, do you ever dream about Joni covers? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:08:32 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Jack Neilson Hello Music Fans and Joni Folk- It is my honour to announce that the Jack Neilson debut album "Here I Go Again" is in the proverbial "can". It's a record folks. I am so proud of this effort on both our parts. I finished it tonight about 8:30pm with the mastering and sequencing now complete it will be shipped to the pressing plant at the first of the week. I want to thank Jack in this forum for his trust in me with this project. The songs are wonderful and I think this record will be a success on many different levels. It took us a long 16 months to complete this project because of all of our schedules and family and such, but it is finally done. Details on how to order the CD are forthcoming and the CD release party has already been announced and is NOW confirmed. It will be at Tipitina's Uptown location on December 12 at 8pm. Giselle Hawkins has agreed to grace us with the warm up position along with our dear Cindy and there will be a Mini JoniFest in conjunction with the festivities including performances by folks from the PazFest CD (myself included) and special guest (my next musical challenge Ms. Christina Friis-Nielsen. I hope some of you or ALL of you can make it for this happy occasion. Thanks to all list members who have been so supportive of this project. Those of you interested in coming besides Mr LamaDoo and Mr. Irwin who are already confirmed attendees, please contact me or Jack or Christina privately. Look forward to seeing you guys soon. Love to all, Paz NP-You Better Be Smilin'-Jack Neilson-From the Original CD Master of "Here I Go Again" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:24:53 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Travelogue question (again) - NJC At 11/11/2002 10:40 AM, Lori Fye wrote: > > 4.) Who remembers the switch to Smoe? >I do, I do! But for the life of me I can't remember what the old >address was. Les??? joni@pobox.com (I think.... :-) Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:32:51 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Meanie! ... now Letterman At 11/11/2002 12:54 AM, jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph wrote: >If this is true about Letterman, then it coincided with what Annie Lennox >once said in the interview that Letterman did not talk to her when they >are off the air and would suddenly become overly animated when the cameras >are rolling. I attended a taping of the Letterman show about 6 years ago and will agree 100% with this. During commercial breaks, Dave would stand up and pace nervously back and forth, ignoring the guest in the chair and barking orders to the stage hands. Seconds before the camera began rolling, he'd sit back down and turn into the animated Dave once again. I thought it quite odd behavior. Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:46:08 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Travelogue question (again) - NJC I remember the switch, but can't remember the old addy, either. I'm pretty sure that wasn't it, Les. Which reminds me: "Where are, or who has, the pre-smoe JMDL archives? I'm wanting to peruse them...for old times sake. Help me? - -Julius > joni@pobox.com (I think.... :-) > Les > At 11/11/2002 10:40 AM, Lori Fye wrote: > > > 4.) Who remembers the switch to Smoe? > >I do, I do! But for the life of me I can't remember what the old > >address was. Les??? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #497 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)