From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #483 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 483 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- travelog surprise ["William Chavez" ] ljc [Franklin Shea ] RE: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: dating service njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: thanks (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: dating service njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: njc Tire Skids and Teeth Marks [Franklin Shea ] up for a chat? NJC [Yael Harlap ] Re: Oil/war (njc) (pc) ["kakki" ] Re: Speaking about bizarre links... ["kakki" ] Re: Joni segment on PBS ["kakki" ] Re: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: "all the guilty people..." [ewwt@juno.com] Re: Joni, Jane & Jesus [ewwt@juno.com] Winona? NJC ["William Chavez" ] Judy Collins NJC ["William Chavez" ] PazFest cds! Wow! (NJC) [dsk ] Early Recordings Remastered [David Sadowski ] Fw: njc Rebuttal on personal berating ["kasey simpson" Subject: travelog surprise p.s. Please stop slamming Joni after listening to those shitty mp3 files on your computer speakers! If i wait one more minute I will erase this so I am pressing the "send now" button.......... This is one reason why I have not plugged into the internet travelog. Not only am I the type that wants to know if a baby is a boy or a girl only after its born, but I know most of the music I listen to on my computer sounds horrible. I just ran into the CD cover by mistake the other day and now I have one less surprise. I want to be completely overwhelmed by the potential greatness of this effort. Hopefully it will be just that. Great! Is this CD going to be enhanced with visuals? Will _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:17:17 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: ljc Franklin here AGAIN - AAAARRRRRGGGG I don't get the JM orchestral stuff at all. Wow, it's like a parody or something... (easy now gang - just an opinion from a "Blue" C&S" lover). Didn't someone else already ask, "what was she thinking?" I think so, so I won't. Thanks for the post on the "Post" page 6. I love Joni's brutal honesty. She doesn't pander to anybody, I can tell. Particularly the poodles of popular "culture". The idea that their status allows them immunity from criticism, particularly of the highly insightful and perceptive variety, is exactly what has kept the airwaves, TV channels polluted with so much worthless garbage for so long. (Oh, we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings - particularly an artist, er, I mean celebrity. You know how fragile they can be.) If more people insisted on quality as opposed to acquiescing to incessant, hammering, relentless "marketing", payola scams etc, there just might be another cultural revolution. The trouble is that this has gone on for so long that most of the "masses" no longer have any idea what real culture is. As L.A. Cowboy said in an interview: "Mediocrity is the bane of the masses". BTY: Did I read someone (Bree...) use the term mature and Madonna in the same sentence? Now THAT'S a keeper!! Thank you so much. I collect excellent oxymorons. Forever yours, Franklin NP - you guessed it! "Conspiracy Theory" song by Steve Earle - excellent. http://www.mp3.com/steveearle My only question as I listen is, "does this have some truth in it, or is it just HIS theory?" lol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:18:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! does anybody have the full text or can quote by heart? apparently, you have to BUY the text from the NY post if you want to read it. the nerve. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:21:15 -0500 From: "greenstudio" Subject: thanks hey y'all I'm usually a lurker. I'm an painter/writer up in Canada. I don't live among Joniphiles and I read the list like a daily soap for a special interest group; I realized today I've been doing so for over a year now, a year full of head spinning changes for me personally, during which, daily, there was ... this thread running. I'd like to introduce myself, thank everyone and slip back into lurkdom. Take care. http://www3.sympatico.ca/greenstudio/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:22:31 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: dating service njc He'd have to be mighty..mighty special .. Such a category? Bree > darn, no one fit my seach criteria. drats. lol > > >mack _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:22:20 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: thanks (njc) > I'm usually a lurker. I'm an painter/writer > up in Canada. I don't live among Joniphiles > Do you live in a box of paints? :-} Victor in Asheville - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:28:42 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: dating service njc What about toothpaste? Are you the type to not roll the tube? Off with your head.. if not! ;-) Bree NP: DED...starting to dig it a little.. *superman all over town...shiny toys... >and i put no preference on the toilet roll question. > > >mack _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:50:53 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: Re: njc Tire Skids and Teeth Marks Franklin here; Hey WtS - thank you so much for that last thread about your/our youth. It was so right on. Brought me way back - vivid memories. Many EXACTLY as you described them. You described MY youth. One I rarely think about, I'd almost forgotten about - what with all of the cares and "conspiracies" (lol) of this life. Memories came flooding into my mind with virtually EVERY sentence. It brought me back in touch with parts of myself; who I am and a big part of the reason for why I'm that way. You've done me a helpful and kind service. In today's society, so much is geared to "the moment" that we almost, ourselves become "products" of "the moment". Yet we are thousands and thousands of moments, all interwoven and laced together by time. Once again - thank you so much for posting it. I'm sending it on to several friends, as I know that they too will be much blessed. I hope you don't mind. If you do, just let me know. Franklin NP "Farewell" by L.A. Cowboy - beautiful poetry, arrangement, instrumentation http://www.mp3.com/lacowboy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:25:10 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Travelogue Lama, I hope this is your sly humor! But just in case, you know I am probably one of the 1% who traditionally have always raved about anything Joni does. I swooned about the BSN tour for days, and do believe I have collected the entire set of tour cds! Kakki, used to be called "sychophant" in earlier jmdl daze heeheehee > Wow. You've come a loooong way from where you were after seeing the BSN > tour in LA. I recall that "hoping they work the bugs out of the > arrangements" and "I'm not sure if all of the dissonance I was hearing was > intended" were the paraphrased memories. > > Lama > > > > Kakki said, > >>>>>>>>>>I've heard it a few times now in its entirety. If you are someone > who has > listened to Joni since STAS and been in love with all or part of her music > since then you will absolutely fall in love with Travelogue. It's hard for > me to even describe the way it affects me. For a long time Joni fan it will > be like experiencing an exquisite and magical reincarnation of all those > first listens long ago. The orchestration IMO is a huge part of its magic. > Brilliant and original. > > Kakki>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:10:33 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: up for a chat? NJC hi folks- it is midnight EST and i am hangin' out and ready to chat with some friends! anyone want to come hang with me for a bit? west coast folks should have no problem with the late hour ;) hugs, yael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:54:21 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Oil/war (njc) (pc) Of course, Mike - you and colin are correct. I had it all wrong, as usual. Thank you for the enlightenment! Repeating to myself "do not call Saddam a madman, do not call Saddam a madman" you stupid American LOL Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:08:15 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... I agree, it's gross to behold when someone wants to exclusively claim or subvert Joni's words and music for their own poltico/religious/ideological bent. Goes back to my argument as to why she doesn't want to let people label (at least of her own accord). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:17:32 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni segment on PBS Ken, Thanks so much for your review. I have such an admiration for him and wish I could have caught this ;-( > It occurred to me that she really must have felt frustrated as she outgrew her peers, choosing > to focus on her art and passion and leave the drunken revelry behind. I think you are exactly right and she and others have alluded to it, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:27:32 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks (njc) WtS, What an incredibly great post! > We played dodgeball and sometimes the ball would really hurt. I got a broken nose in dodgeball and was just led back into class after recess ;-) I doubt it is played anywhere anymore. > Before lawyers and government began to regulate our lives, > for our own good.(?)>>> Yes indeed. Just had a long discussion with friends again tonight concluding that this, and the general lack of good education, is the cause of a lot of our ills. A lot of what lawyers and government do is more for their own good (money and power) than the general good. Wish more people could start seeing it. It's choking and costing us all. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:11:26 -0500 From: ewwt@juno.com Subject: Re: "all the guilty people..." Relayer211@aol.com wrote: << "All the guilty people,he said,they've all seen the stain on their daily bread,on their christian name I've cleared my self I sacrificed my blues And you can complete me And I complete you" -Court and Spark I've been thinking about these lyrics.any ideas about what they mean? >> Pure Gospel! But I hear "and you could complete me I'd complete you." It's all about the Spark....... F**k the Court! Most interesting to me is "but I couldn't let go of LA city of the fallen angels." ET NP: Down To You ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:28:37 -0500 From: ewwt@juno.com Subject: Re: Joni, Jane & Jesus Hell wrote: << I don't know, I kind of like: "The CD begins with the bliss of her original success in the Sixties. Apparently, whatever entity ran the universe blessed her with talent, brilliance, beauty and a ruthless business sense. However, since Marxist "Revolutionaries" such as Joan Baez, Bob Dylan and John Lennon dominated that period, Mitchell was swept into a vortex that was entirely godless, thankless, self-pitying, self-entitled and in fact, almost psychotic." Thank god she managed to crawl away from that vortex of psychosis! This is almost funnier that the mental image of Bob Murphy in gold lame! >> All of the above is the funniest damn thing I've contemplated in months! I suspect that Marcel wrote this in drag..... ;~* ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:29:45 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Winona? NJC Why Winona? Not that I would mind Winona. She can sing and she has a cute face. Her mom is pretty Hot(especially for a mom)! Winona _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:49:56 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Judy Collins NJC >Debra Shea >P.S "Tomorrow is a Long Time". This is such a beautiful song I've added >it to my favorites list. I know this song already. Was it a hit for >Judy? Funny you should mention this song. It was when this song started coming through my speakers many years ago that I said who the hell is that. I think I kept lifting up the arm and replaying it at least ten times. This is much harder to due than hitting replay on a CD player. This much effort to hear a song over and over was significant to me. I knew this song would be part of my life forever. I still sing this song all the time, to myself at night in the middle of my back yard. Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:17:47 -0500 From: dsk Subject: PazFest cds! Wow! (NJC) Michael, The Pazfest cds are fantastic! Full of such wonderful surprises! It's the first time I've ever enjoyed "Sex Kills". What a great version, starting with the snapping fingers, the piano, the drums, it's really great, not nearly as strident sounding as Joni's version. It's a very sexy sex kills. That song was the biggest surprise. And I love Susan Cowsill's low voice. I'm a sucker for a slight burr in the voice; that bit of imperfection really appeals to me. And her "Last Time I Saw Richard" was so heartfelt... she was pushing that sound and feeling out there and there was no resisting. What a thrilling evening this must have been! I like the way the cds capture the happy, friendly energy along with the great music. Michael Michael the love cycle... can we all call you that? :-) The tempo of the Priest is so strange, it bops along and then all of a sudden it slows down and sounds like a dirge... very serious stuff! It's fascinating. And the intro to Woodstock makes me smile. What a smooth voice Kim Prevost has. Such a pleasure listening to this version. Another favorite is the Amelia-Beth's Solo-Hejira set. I like all the sounds, your voice, the bass, and am in love with the drummer making all those shimmery sounds in Amelia, like hissing snakes in the desert she's driving across. The song sounds alive and mysterious and full. And the way it winds down into the almost country-sounding instrumental (guitar? banjo?) solo... fantastic! And then into Hejira without a break... the guitar on this blows me away. Everyone, buy at least one of these for yourself, and a few to give to people who might like Joni's songs but just can't stand her voice. Great songs! Great music! Great cause! How can anyone resist? Thanks, Michael, for making these available and for the good work you're doing in Honduras. Debra Shea NP: The start of Black Crow... anticipation builds. I really like hearing men's voices singing Joni's songs. Blue Boy was another wonderful surprise... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:18:22 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Early Recordings Remastered When I joined this group, I arranged a few trades for early JM material. I recently spent several hours working four of these shows over using a wave editor. I eliminated unnecessary gaps and silences between some tracks, reduced tape hiss on some, and brought the volume up to normal CD standards. I also made new cover artwork for these shows (UK 9/67, MA 1-4-68, BBC '70, BBC 10-29-70 w/James Taylor). I just sent off copies of these four shows to Bob Muller and Jerry Notaro, but there is one other person who sent me some discs whose name I have lost. If you were this person, please contact me off-list. I will send you these as well, plus the other shows we must've arranged to trade. These are great recordings and I am very pleased to have them. Sorry it's taken so long to work on them, but I probably spent ten or twelve hours working over these four recordings to make them sound better. Thanks. - -Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:34:21 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: njc Rebuttal on personal berating A) They are not MY hypotheses. B) Perhaps you didn't want to find substance to them. That might alter, restrict or otherwise distress your apparently rigid yet comforting personal world-view. Try this site on for size http://www.infowars.com That oughta REALLY blow your safety-craving spirit - all several hundred articles. You seem to confuse conspiracies with fairy tales, and that's just what THEY want you to do. Exactly, precisely how it works. Yet a conspiracy is simply that - a conspiracy "to join in a secret agreement to accomplish an unlawful or wrongful act 2) a mischievous plot, generally conceived for political, personal or financial gain in a such a manner as to skillfully elude discovery. Who are THEY, Franklin? Not genralizations, names. I don't remember giving my world view, only my opinion of your post. However, I guess your high inteligence permits you to assume you KNOW my views. They are merely an opinion on world events. That's your opinion. Oh, I thought it was my world view point. Thank you. I've always subscribed to the principle that ALL meaningful manifestos must be wordy and empty! Congratulations, you have succeded Perhaps the remote possibility of recognizing that we are not in ANY danger, imminent or otherwise from Saddam Insane and his 223 1950's vintage (classics, I'm sure - probably collectable if auctioned on e-bay) Soviet tanks, his infamous shotgun (that really scares the hell outa ya, doesn't it?) And his Fedora - complete with GPS satellite system to target your home - is a HUGE leap for some. The idea that G.DUB has the I.Q. of a sparrow and the morals of a mouse is probably a huge leap too. Let's all rally around the flagpole and hurry up and rid the world of this Mad Mastermind and his pita-pounding patsies before he annihilates us all. All we need to do is increase the war budget to say, oh - 3-500 billion dollars (never mind whose pockets that's inevitably going into), toss roughly 200,000 young men and women over there and while we're at it, we might as well confiscate his biggest threat: those deadly oil fields that have the capability of toppling entire economies with a single turn of the spigot. Now mind you, lest there be any misunderstanding, the oil well appropriations are strictly incidental to the "real" issues at stake. And again we jump right off the track in to a rambling mass of s**t. In fact, THEY'RE already hard at work trying to figure out how to dole out the proceeds from the petrol collectively into every red-blooded American's pockets. Just think! We're all gonna be RICH!! Hell, the entire human race can see that this is the only sane thing to do to protect all of "humanity". And they realize that the American public should at least receive communal rights to those oily wells - out of sheer gratitude for OUR courage and resolve, standing up to that extraordinary, world-threatening POWERHOUSE - Iraq. What a brilliant idea on G.Dub's part. Sheer genius. Must have thought about it while reading People Magazine in the John.(On second thought, there's probably a "red phone" in there. This in fact? Not an opinion? I believe this is exactly my point. I would have to believe that all persons in government are corrupt.That no one elected to public office ran because they wanted to make a difference. Well if you "would have to believe that all persons in government are corrupt" then I can't argue with you. Such absolutes are a real impediment to contemplating alternative possibilities, especially rational ones. (Just try reasoning with Osama, or G.Dub for that matter - good luck.) I think they might be easier to 'reason' with. Now we're getting somewhere. I am aware of that, although I must confess - I'm somewhat surprised that you are!! Oh, I have my moments. Why just the other day I tied my shoes all by myself. To a degree. They have put an interesting twist on it: "Do you want Candidate A, or Candidate A. Take your pick". (by the way, I believe you meant "further". So we just stay home and not vote? Maybe that's what THEY want you to think. If no one votes THEY get control. ( by the way, you for got the ')' after your 'by the way) All I can say to that is that stretching is very good for the body (as well as the brain) and, in any event, is highly recommended before and after any vigorous exercise (mental or otherwise). Thanks, I'll try to keep that in mind. Now you say that only those that know the 'truth' can rise above this. Quotes "" around truth yours not mine, Franklin these ' ' aren't quotation marks, these " " are Another fascinating thing is how often they cringe, cry foul, seethe and scream when confronted with it, through spiritual, social or personal revelation. The "truth" really does hurt some times - don't it though. Ah, humanity... such a silly, selfish bunch. I think your post demonstates this nicely. But my dear, back to qualifying (yours); I have conducted most of my conversation regarding a different kind of "truth". Let's call it facts, just to avoid confusion. For instance, here's a fact: Kennedy was assassinated ONE day after he signed a bill withdrawing all U.S. forces out of Vietnam. Lyndon (hi, I'm a corrupt, politically whoring, good ol' boy from Texas. Where did you say you put those sacks of hundred dollar bills partner? - behavior that even his hand-picked biographer freely acknowledges) Johnson's FIRST act as the new REGIME leader was to rescind and reverse that bill with Generals standing beside him gleefully rubbing their hands together - HIS VERY FIRST ACT. OK, so maybe it WAS coincidence. A coincidence that culminated in a ten year quagmire costing our heroic (we were there to HELP those poor,ignorant Vietnamese from deciding what type of government they wanted to live under - boy would that have been a world-threatening disaster. We sure showed our courage and care) efforts to the tune of 55,000 dead American sons and over a trillion dollars in "military hardware" support. Much of that ended up in the "enemies" hands when we hi-tailed it outa there. Hmmmm....wonder where that trillion went anyway, you know - which bank accounts. I guess the price of napalm is just WAY beyond my scope of comprehension. Who makes that wonder weed burner anyway? Just think what that patent's worth!!!! And off the deep end again. This is what amuses me. I could go on and on with my "theories", but then again, I really couldn't. Because everything I've just discussed is facts (oh, those ratty, trouble-makin' little facts).s Fact, Okla. Fed building was bombed. Fact, Kennedy was shot. Fact, watergate happened. All else is theroy, inuendo, and conjector on whatever pieces of information that are out there. I am a firm believer in God. Oh, really? Which Ones? However Gsod is what I call the creator, some call him/her other names, like Mohammad, Krishna, or Buddha. I too believe Christ to be a messiah. Messiah meaning teacher. I had no idea there were so many creators!!! No wonder the world is such a mess. Maybe they should get together (they must all still be alive, as they are "God(s) what I call the creator" as you put it, and by definition the term God implies eternal) and come up with one big blueprint that is consistent. Franklin, reread your bible my son. Genises says, "And the sons of GODS mated with the daughters of man" As you are interested in philosophy you know that Socrates also willingly died for what he believed, I'm sure you've heard of the hemlock society. Do I discern some sort of ominous suggestion here? lol Noooooo. Point being both Christ, and Socrates willingly died for what they believed. Sorry if that was over your head. So though I find your writings interesting, I find it is only an opinion, not based in fact but interpretation. Poisoning the well again Kasey, naughty, naughty. My main writings involve horrific events that are factual and attempting to ascertain the facts regarding the. My personal beliefs are what you would be referring to as "interpretation". Two different donkeys dear. (BTW - you finally admit that you find "wordy and empty manifestoes" interesting, at least mine!) AHA, gotcha! No seriously, I'm honored. , you are giving factual information to someone who is arguing opinion, and theory. It won't work, but great effort. Please Kasey, while I respect Kakki's apparently unflappable "belief" (note my preferred choice of words) in the propaganda that this is one great big open, honest land of liberty, defending, the poor, downtrodden, ignorant and misled legions here and everywhere else abroad through every means necessary (force of course being preferable if at all possible, as it's by far the most profitable) I must attempt to dissuade you from further encouraging her wishful thinking. I generally prefer the concept of thoughtful thinking preceding the wishful variety. But then again - that's just another one of my "opinions" Kakki.........see what I mean?:) I don't know you, but can honestly say I accept, enjoy (and would no doubt like, should we ever meet) you both. I don't know about that Franklin.....after all I'm a flag waving, GodS loving, half wit, homosexual. Can't see how one as inteligent, and inclusive as you are could much care about little ol me. kaseyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #483 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)