From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #481 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 11 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 481 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: so sad [ewwt@juno.com] Re: so sad ["kakki" ] Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! [ewwt@juno.com] Re: Joni, "an original (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Bowling for Columbine NJC [Richard Goldman ] Miss Bland [Gordon Mackie ] Trvelogue Magazine Ad - UK ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Fw: njc Middle East (world) misconceptions ["kasey simpson" ] njc political ranting [Franklin Shea ] Re: remembering (again) now njc ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: Evian takes us down the memory trail ["Lori Fye" ] Tire Skids and Teeth Marks ["William" ] Re: Travelogue [Murphycopy@aol.com] [none] [Dave Cuneo ] Recall: [Dave Cuneo ] Travelogue's "Hejira" ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Recall: [colin ] time [Dave Cuneo ] NJC Steely Dan [Dave Cuneo ] Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks ["gene mock" ] Re: Evian's trip down memory lane NJC ["Lori Fye" ] calling Ryan Adams fans, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Linda Thompson - a minor miracle njc [Mags N Brei ] Speaking about bizarre links... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Travelogue question (again) - NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Linda Thompson - a minor miracle njc [Susan Guzzi wrote: << listened to the "travelog" links today and i find them so sad why would joni release so many of her old songs when to me every comparison to the way her voice used to sound just makes me wince. and just as i thought--- i hate the lame orchestrations i wish she'd just give up cigarettes laura nyro did and her voice improved. judy collins and joan baez' voices are still beautiful and neither smokes. >> Wow, I had the exact opposite reaction listening to the Travelogue links! I am enthralled with the way Joni's voice has matured and find the symphonic interpretations gorgeous. Her timbre and phrasing on the 12 songs I've heard blow me away with their powerful subtlety. Wouldn't it be nice if singers didn't get older and sounded the way they did when they were 20 at the age of 60? I don't think so! To me Joni sounds better with each successive album, vocally and musically. I rarely listen to her early albums for this reason. Thank God/dess she doesn't sound more like Judy Collins or Joan Baez because they both bore me to tears! Perhaps Madonna should start chain smoking. Maybe then she'd finally stop sounding like a teenager who snorted too much coke.... I find the most impressive rendition on Travelogue You Dream Flat Tires http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/youdream.swf What is really so sad is a music industry which promotes sex instead of talent! ET NP: Incubus "Science" (awesome!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:15:43 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: so sad Hey Eric - welcome back! You wrote: > I find the most impressive rendition on Travelogue You Dream Flat > Tires http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/youdream.swf A number here have raved particularly about Flat Tires and Dawntreader - those were the two standouts for me, too, in early listens! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:43:43 -0500 From: ewwt@juno.com Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! Bree Mcdonough wrote: << I did not like the breaking out Madonna or the overtly sexual period..but the mature Madonna I can take. In this same interview she told the interviewer that she does not let her children watch TV. She reads to them bedtime stories and the Old Testament. This sad interviewer did not follow up with any questions. >> I finally began to like Madonna after seeing Evita and hearing Ray Of Light. But when I saw that Larry King interview with Madonna a few weeks ago I wanted to vomit! The boy-toy-turned-guru had the NERVE to lecture Jews and Christians that they have it all wrong and that SHE has found "the truth" which predates Judaism. Sorry Madonna but the Kabballa doesn't predate Moses or even Jesus. Larry King just smiled unbelievably and I don't blame him for not pursuing the topic further. Joni is 100% correct in her assessment of Madonna, the music industry and David Letterman, and I'm just glad that someone of Joni's calibre has the guts to say it like it is! ET NP: http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/slouchingtowards.swf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:45:55 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni, "an original (njc) O.K. I'll be Madonna! > > The other Bob writes: > > > > << OK, from now on I'm going to go by "Victor"! :~) >> > > > > Then I'm going to be Kakki! > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:16:22 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Bowling for Columbine NJC Kate, It's a stunner, isn't it? I too was horrified beyond most films I've ever seen, and also amused occasionally. That Michael Moore, he certainly gets himself in some amazing places and with some amazing people. I wonder how many other cities it's made it to so far? It had a huge initial weekend in NYC and LA and that was good for wider distribution, but ...here in SF it is only on one screen. It made me very sad too, and after Tuesday, I have wondered about moving North.. as in, to Canada.. Richard >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: Bowling for Columbine NJC > >not since Dances with Wolves have i had to exit the theatre as fast as >possible to find a place to just sob... >but i laughed a lot too & mostly just shook my head in amazement ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:27:03 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Miss Bland The title of todays email .....she was my music teacher...honest! Hand on heart. Anyhoo, been reflecting on the range of of responses to my 'corned beef' email. Rather than individual replies , Ill try and 'sum up' some thoughts... I thnk it was Fred who said that Joni might hear things that I don't in Mendoza's orchestrations.Sure, no doubt... and he asked why Joni would work with him again...I dunno...people end up working with people for all sorts of reasons...even more than once. The Premature ejaculation thread (excellent title) is fair....I have now listened to Flat Tyres and Love...interesting! Still open but not convinced..open minded but not wide open IMHO is simply that..no great shakes...just an opinion...but it has some validity surely ( or am I deluded...yes Gordon you're deluded all right..lol) Q: Is is negative to be critical? Is it positive to be uncritical? Joni doenst hold back, why should we? (not that we need her permsission). Or am I being too Western in my thought? Someone else commented that because people were giving of their best why should we be so unkind. I 'spose there's a lot in that. It presumes many things. People were at work ...and may have given of their best, however this is a well known orchestra. They have to work with lots of people (some they wish they hadn't). If you think I'm negative go speak / listen to session musicians/ band members after having completed some recording work! Darlings! They make me sound like a teddy bear...whatever that means..lol To those who privated the personal insults, sobeit. I'll live. If you have something to say, make it meaningful..not bland. Im reminded of the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz (see I can do homespun philosphy..lol) When asked by Dorothy how he could speak if he didnt have a brain, he replied he didn't know, but lots of people without brains do an awful lot of talking. Did I just shoot myself in the foot ! ( no need to answer that) Have a nice day ....as Willy the Shake reminded us...paint a starry night again man Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:05:58 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Trvelogue Magazine Ad - UK Sirry for not responding earlier. I saw an ad for Travelogue on the UK magazine Uncut - or Q, not really sure. In the back pages among CD reviews. Raffaele (London) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:12:31 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: njc Middle East (world) misconceptions Franklin, I have read your post with interest and amusement. You speak of "shadow governments", "billionaire boys club", and "puppets". You've listed sites (which I have gone to) to back up your theories. However, I find no substance to your dark hypotheses. They are merely an opinion on world events. I'll give you credit for wordy (however empty) manifestos, but if I were to believe what you say I'd have to make a huge leap. I would have to believe that all persons in government are corrupt. That no one elected to public office ran because they wanted to make a difference. As you are aware we are a government of checks, and balances, so all the House, Senate, Executive, and Judicial branches are corrupt. Now I farther must believe that voting means nothing, that this billionaires boys club has rendered voting impotent. Big stretch for me to make. Now you say that only those that know the 'truth' can rise above this. The truth, according to you would be The Christ. Well that just about closes the door on any Jew, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Homosexual, and any other group that views the truth a bit different. I am a firm believer in God. However God is what I call the creator, some call him/her other names, like Mohammad, Krishna, or Buddha. I too believe Christ to be a messiah. Messiah meaning teacher. As you are interested in philosophy you know that Socrates also willingly died for what he believed, I'm sure you've heard of the hemlock society. So though I find your writings interesting, I find it is only an opinion, not based in fact but interpretation. Kakki, you are giving factual information to someone who is arguing opinion, and theory. It won't work, but great effort. Kasey Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:35:17 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Fw: njc Middle East (world) misconceptions >However God is what I call the creator, some call him/her other names, like >Mohammad, Krishna, or Buddha. Buddha is NOT one name for "the" creator or "God". In Buddhism, there is no one creator of the universe. Any human being can reach the state of Buddhahood, although you probably have to be re-born many, many times. moni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:45:21 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Linda Thompson - a minor miracle njc A few years ago I was having a lively discussion with a friend who couldn't believe I really thought Christine Collister was the greatest singer in the country. He said "Are you honestly telling me she's a greater singer than Linda Thompson??" Well, I responded by saying it was hard to compare as I'd never seen the latter live, and doubted that I would. Well, the original question is moot, but now I'm glad to say that I HAVE seen Linda Thompson in concert, and it felt like a privilege. In a way, although her circumstances are VERY different, it was almost akin to what it must have been like seeing David Helfgott play live again after all he had gone through. [For those who don't know about her, she was one of England's very greatest folk singers, her style the epitome of undemonstrative eloquence; her singing career was effectively scotched by a rare condition known as hysterical dysphonia; she didn't make a record for about 17 years, and didn't sing in concert for even longer]. There was a mixture of great warmth and goodwill, combined with trepidation about whether she'd get through the gig, what her voice would sound like, and so on. It turned out well in the end. It must have been a huge emotional boost having two of her children on stage with her, son Teddy and daughter Kamila, both of whom have beautiful voices themselves. There was a lovely, informal air to the concert, which was held in a small and very intimate theatre in west London (the Lyric, Hammersmith). Her voice certainly isn't the majestic instrument it was when she was in her pomp, but it sounded in remarkably good nick considering what she's been through. The emotional authority and mastery of interpretive nuance are undimmed, and there were moments where we could hear some of the real power she used to weild - sometimes in a few impromptu, off-mike notes. She sang most of the songs from her lovely new album, mixing in a few old Richard & Linda numbers like Lonely Hearts and her nearest thing to a solo hit, Telling Me Lies (which was a big hit for Harris, Parton and Ronstadt). Then at the end she sang I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight - well what can I say, big grins were breaking out in the audience. What would she do for an encore? Dimming of the Day, of course, which despite Bonnie Raitt's superb version (and indeed Richard T's sterling solo renditions) remains indisputably Linda's song. That was a Moment! Azeem in London NP: Linda Thompson, who else - One Clear Moment, a wonderful song, title track from her first solo album, which has never been issued on CD - for shame! "Better an instant with the angels Than a lifetime with the saints All I need is one clear moment One clear moment's all it takes" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:49:04 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: Fw: njc Middle East (world) misconceptions You are correct, of course, Buddha described the 12 path way to enlightenment. You can achieve it in one life time, but not likely. Krishna is also an incarnation of the creator, a messiah, so to speak. I was using this more as a religious (truth) ideology. Kasey Buddha is NOT one name for "the" creator or "God". In Buddhism, there is no one creator of the universe. Any human being can reach the state of Buddhahood, although you probably have to be re-born many, many times. moniGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:10:05 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Linda Thompson - a minor miracle njc Azeem writes: << Dimming of the Day, of course, which despite Bonnie Raitt's superb version (and indeed Richard T's sterling solo renditions) remains indisputably Linda's song. That was a Moment! >> As was hearing Donna sing that song at Jonifest! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 9:15:12 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Linda Thompson - a minor miracle njc > << Dimming of the Day, of course, which despite Bonnie Raitt's superb version > (and indeed Richard T's sterling solo renditions) remains indisputably > Linda's song. That was a Moment! >> > > As was hearing Donna sing that song at Jonifest! As was singing that song with Donna at Jonifest! Victor/Kakki/Buddha/Kermit - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:17:01 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Channel 13 ? Just had this question from Gene Shay [I can't keep up at the moment so sorry if this has just been discussed] >Do you know what happened to the Canadian production on Joni? Now, I >understand it will be produced by Channel 13 in New York (Public TV). > A woman called me from 13 and asked if I had any photos of Joni, I sent >her the few that I do have---shots taken backstage with me and Tom Rush at >the Tower Theater, Phila following a concert I produced in the 70s as a >benefit for The Main Point Coffee House. I also had one with Joni, Ed Sciaky >and me, on the steps of the Capitol Building in Washington, DC. That was >during a peace march on Washington---early 80s, I think. Anyone have the latest best to all Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:24:57 -0600 From: Franklin Shea Subject: njc political ranting Franklin here, David - you are an intelligent and thoughtful soul. Quite diplomatic also, I might add. Hmmmmm, now what else can I find to rant about? Got any good ideas? lol P.S. I'm glad you didn't erase your post. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:23:39 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: remembering (again) now njc I see Meri every now and then. Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" To: "Mark or Travis" Cc: "Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley" ; Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: remembering (again) now njc : > Evian asked: > > 10.) Who remembers... lol, now I can't think of her name -- she was a > > big Ferron fan... jog my memory. Mark E. (on his way perhaps to being Mark E. Mark) replied: > Susan Chaloner! There was a character if ever there was one. > > Anyone remember La Vierge de Huile? (how could you forget him?) > > You're one of my favorites, Evian. How is fatherhood these days? Great to > see you posting every now & then. Susan Chalomer and La Vierge de Huile bring back such memories! Any one have contact with these former JMDLers? And as for Evian, Mark E. speaks for everyone. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:25:56 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! - njc At 11:07 PM 11/10/02 EST, bqb wrote: >As many of you know, I work as a stripper in a gay bar on weekends. I am very >happy whenever the DJ spins a Madonna tune, and patrons are always praising >the dances I perform for her songs. I have a "Ray of Light" routine that's >spectacular, if I say so myself. My gold lame jock strap always gets stuffed >with lots of big bucks when I dance to Madonna. > > --Bob > So what night did you have THAT dream??? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:42:48 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! - njc What did Joni say about Madonna? Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Polifka" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! - njc At 11:07 PM 11/10/02 EST, bqb wrote: >As many of you know, I work as a stripper in a gay bar on weekends. I am very >happy whenever the DJ spins a Madonna tune, and patrons are always praising >the dances I perform for her songs. I have a "Ray of Light" routine that's >spectacular, if I say so myself. My gold lame jock strap always gets stuffed >with lots of big bucks when I dance to Madonna. > > --Bob > So what night did you have THAT dream??? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:49:14 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: Happy Veterans day NJC This was sent to me, and I thought I would share it. Kasey "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better persons than himself." - -- John Stuart Mill "When politicians leave this earth, their bodies lie in state, while thousands note their passing, and proclaim that they were great. The papers tell of their life stories, from the time that they were young. But the passing of a Veteran goes unnoticed and unsung. Is the greatest contribution to the welfare of this land, Some jerk who breaks his promise and cons his fellow man? Or the ordinary fellow, who in time of war and strife, Goes off to serve his country and offers up his life?" A. Lawrence Vaincourt It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag and whose coffin is draped by the flag -- and whose sacrifice now allows the protester to desecrate the flag. Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CDGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:57:05 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Evian takes us down the memory trail I'm probably late on chiming in on this thread, but anyway ... > 10.) Who remembers... lol, now I can't think of her name -- she was a > big Ferron fan... jog my memory. That would be Susan L.A. Chaloner from up Vancouver way. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:28:03 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Travelogue Kakki wrote: > It's hard for me to even describe the way it affects me. For a long > time Joni fan it will be like experiencing an exquisite and magical > reincarnation of all those first listens long ago. The orchestration > IMO is a huge part of its magic. Brilliant and original. Yes, Kakki! All of the above. I don't have the CDs yet but I've listened to a few cuts so far (and thank you again, Moni!!) and I'm IN LOVE with it already. The only way *I* can describe this album is to say that it affects me the same way "Man From Mars" does: it causes some sort of not- unpleasant heaviness in my heart, and it makes me want to cry. Maybe it's partly because I have a feeling this album IS Joni's "swan song," at least in terms of commercial releases. Which is sad and fine at the same time. As for Joni's voice, I love the smokiness. So jazzy. As for how it's gotten that way, yeah there are the ciggies to bemoan, but you know ... whatever makes Joni happy makes me happy for her. She deserves happiness. (Don't we all?) Lori NP: "Circle Game" -- OMG! How delicious!! ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:37:17 -0000 From: "William" Subject: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks I'm not sure if this should have a no Joni tag or not - I've never had reason to post a NoJoCo one before so forgive me if I should have tagged it. Just in case, this email I received from a friend reminded me of Chinese Cafe, bits of No Apologies and who knows what else. <<>> Forgive me if it's outta place here. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:33:12 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue Lori writes: << it causes some sort of not-unpleasant heaviness in my heart >> Golly, Lori, that just about sums up 90% of her music for me! Nicely put. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:45:39 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: [none] Ciao joniphiles, " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:45:55 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Recall: Dave Cuneo would like to recall the message, "". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:45:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Travelogue's "Hejira" Sorry for the brevity, but all I can really say about this cut is ... WOW. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:52:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Recall: yes I am sure we all wish we could recall messages sent in haste. too late tho! Dave Cuneo wrote: > Dave Cuneo would like to recall the message, "". - -- bw colin TANTRA LHASA APSO (reg 1982) colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:56:32 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: time Ciao joniphiles, A joniphile wrote: "I remember the first time I heard For the Roses. I didn't like it. It was a friend's copy and I didn't even buy my own copy until many years later. Now it's my second favorite CD by Joni. (Hejira being first.)" I bought "The Hissing of Summer Lawns around Xmas time 1975 and was turned off by it, like many Joni fans who could not handle Joni's "growth". It was not until around 1988 or so that I came back to it and began to appreciate it. In fact, I sought of gave up on any new Joni past FTR until fall of 1980, when one night I heard "Refuge of the Roads" on the radio in Hawaii and got pulled back in again. But even that album, Hejira, did not "come together" for me until around 1990 or so, although I thought "Refuge" was brilliant from the start. And it is only within the past 6 months that I have begun to listen to "STAS" seriously for the first time - prodded on by all the Joni chatter on the digest. I still refuse to go out and buy CDs of "DJRD" or "Mingus" though - God I hated those albums (except for "Jericho" from DJRD). And since Shadows and Light is mostly stuff from that era, I don't own that either. I came late also to WTRF and DED, but like them both now, and CMIARS, which has flashes of brilliance equal to anything Joni has done (Beat of Black Wings, Number One). Of course, I came late in life to lobster, crab, clams and mussels too! Ciao, dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:01:09 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: NJC Steely Dan Ciao joniphiles, Will wrote: "P.S.-People, please stop unnecessarily attacking me(Steely Dan, Abortion...), I'm a sensitive 90's man-I mean no harm-really!" I read someone describe Steely Dan as the "steak and lobster" of pop from the 70's (on the Steely Dan Digest, actually!). Pretty good description. Ciao, dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:34:54 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! >The boy-toy-turned-guru had the NERVE to lecture Jews and >Christians that they have it all wrong and that SHE has found "the truth" >which predates Judaism. Sorry Madonna but the Kabballa doesn't predate >Moses or even Jesus. Larry King just smiled unbelievably and I don't blame >him for not >pursuing the topic further. Larry King never follows up with pertinent questions...at least to my satisfaction. Well...at least she is trying to feed her soul instead of her..NEVER MIND. > Joni is 100% correct in her assessment of Madonna, the music >industry and David Letterman, and I'm just glad that someone of Joni's >calibre has the guts to say it like it is. I love Joni for her guts! But why name names? She can't rant and rail without making it personal? Bree > ET > NP: >http://feature.atlrec.com/buzztone/joni_mitchell/slouchingtowards.swf _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:46:12 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: remembering (again) now njc > I see Meri every now and then. > > Bill Ah HA! I knew there had to be some of the "DC contingent" who sees each other now and again! Which makes me think: why haven't we had a little fest of our own? (Or did we, and I missed it?) Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:50:34 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks thanks, like joni said, "we can't return, we can only look from behind from where we came......." boy! if we could only turn back the clock and make things right. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "William" To: "JMDL" Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:37 AM Subject: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks > I'm not sure if this should have a no Joni tag or not - I've > never had reason to post a NoJoCo one before so forgive me if I > should have tagged it. Just in case, this email I received from > a friend reminded me of Chinese Cafe, bits of No Apologies and > who knows what else. > > << > You lived as a child in the 50s or the 60s or earlier. > Looking back, it's hard to believe that we have lived as long as > we have... > As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air > bags. Riding in the back of a pickup truck on a warm day was > always a special treat. > Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint. > We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors, or > cabinets, and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets. (Not to > mention hitchhiking to town as a young kid!) > We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. > Horrors. > We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then > rode down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After > running into the bushes a few times we learned to solve the > problem. > We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as > we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to > reach us all day. > No cell phones. Unthinkable. We played dodgeball and sometimes > the ball would really hurt. We got cut and broke bones and broke > teeth and there were no law suits from these accidents. They > were accidents. No one was to blame but us. Remember accidents? > We had fights and punched each other and got black and blue and > learned to get over it. We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and > drank sugar soda but we were never overweight.....we were always > outside playing. We shared one grape soda with four friends, > from one bottle and no one died from this? > We did not have Playstations, Nintendo 64, X Boxes, video games > at all,99 channels on cable, video tape movies, surround sound, > personal cellular phones, Personal Computers, internet chat rooms > ... we had friends. We went outside and found them. We rode > bikes or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the door, or > rung the bell or just walked in and talked to them. > Imagine such a thing. Without asking a parent! By ourselves! Out > there in the cold cruel world! Without a guardian. How did we do > it? > We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms and > although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very > many eyes, nor did the worms live inside us forever. > Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those > who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment..... Some > students weren't as smart as others so they failed a grade and > were held back to repeat the same grade.....Horrors. Tests were > not adjusted for any reason. > Our actions were our own. Consequences were expected. No one to > hide behind. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke a > law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law, imagine > that! > This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and > problem solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years has been > an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, > failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal > with it all. > > Before lawyers and government began to regulate our lives, > for our own good.(?)>>> > > Forgive me if it's outta place here. > WtS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:00:08 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Evian's trip down memory lane NJC >> That Susan LA > I had forgotten that - the links to the escort service - gees the > current JMDL membership seems tame now! That was a well > designed "leather & lace" lesbian hooker escort service website, too. It wasn't a lesbian hooker escort service, and Susan's ad was specifically designed to attract goat-dancing partners. > Interesting the Bob Muller is the first and or only one to remember > the hooker links... Not the only one. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:01:36 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks NJC thanks, like joni said, "we can't return, we can only look from behind from where we came......." boy! if we could only turn back the clock and make things right. take care gene This reminded me of one of my favorite singer/song writers Joe South. His song "Don't It Make You Want To Go Home" KaseyGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:26:40 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: calling Ryan Adams fans, NJC For you Ryan Adams fans, I have a strong feeling you will love Anders Osborne 2002 release: Break The Chain (at shanachie.com). The title track alone is one of those "songs you really must love". Laurent NP: Los Lobos: Kiko ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:20:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! - njc In a message dated 11/11/2002 9:42:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, bill@friendsofanimals.org writes: > What did Joni say about Madonna? http://www.nypost.com/seven/11072002/gossip/pagesix.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:28:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Linda Thompson - a minor miracle njc Azeem writes: << Dimming of the Day, of course, which despite Bonnie Raitt's superb version (and indeed Richard T's sterling solo renditions) remains indisputably Linda's song. That was a Moment! >> and then Smurphashara said: <<>> just finished watching the YaYa Sisterhood on this gorgeous and rainy day in Jersey...and I agree...and will add that imho Donna now owns Dimming of the Day..her version is moving to the core. beautiful. Mags. np: the rain outside our LR window... You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:31:30 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: No Subject - njc > This is a very forgiving group. Just say you were doing research for > a movie role. Will is changing his name to Winona??? Lori, ever confused ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:33:33 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Speaking about bizarre links... Just stumbled upon this one, titled: Joni Mitchell: A STORMY LOVE AFFAIR WITH CHRIST A bit of a stretch of a review of BSN, believe it or not. (Good old Christians, they can even see Christ in a plate of spaghetti if they try hard enough...) Read the whole piece (if you dare) at: http://users.motion.net/debbie58/joni02.htm Bob NP: The Beatles, "Strawberry Fields Forever" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:40:29 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: Travelogue question (again) - NJC Okay, as usual after a weekend, I'm running behind the times ... > 4.) Who remembers the switch to Smoe? I do, I do! But for the life of me I can't remember what the old address was. Les??? > 3.) Who remembers buying either M'shell Ndegocello... or whatever, > Lauryn Hill, or Lucinda Williams because of the raves on the list? I bought Lauryn Hill because of the list. I think I've listened to it once. BUT -- after having heard and met Lucinda 10 years before (in a San Antonio lesbian bar where I worked; Lucinda was doing the owner a favor by performing), I did return to her music because of Sherrie Good's raving about "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road." Took me awhile to warm up to it, but it soon became (and remains) a favorite. I also learned about Jonatha Brooke because of the list! I've since seen her in concert 4 times. > 2.) Who remembers the cookbook idea? I do! I submitted "Down by the Sea(coast) Salad," and a salad dressing recipe. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:46:14 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... > Just stumbled upon this one, titled: > > Joni Mitchell: A STORMY LOVE AFFAIR WITH CHRIST > > A bit of a stretch of a review of BSN, believe it or not. Holy smokes. In fact I think I'LL take up smoking right now. I need SOMEthing to calm me down after reading THAT! Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:47:49 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... > http://users.motion.net/debbie58/joni02.htm Quote: "The great turning point of the CD is A CASE OF YOU. With Christian symbolism dripping all over the lyric, Mitchell becomes a kind of latter-day Mary Magdalene, from whom she receives wise advice: "Go to Him! Be with Him! But be prepared to bleed!" " ROTFL! moni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:3:0 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... I repeat, Oy Vasmir. > [Original Message] > From: Moni Kellermann > To: > Date: 11/11/2002 12:47:49 PM > Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... > > > http://users.motion.net/debbie58/joni02.htm > > Quote: > > "The great turning point of the CD is A CASE OF YOU. With Christian > symbolism dripping all over the lyric, Mitchell becomes a kind of latter-day > Mary Magdalene, from whom she receives wise advice: "Go to Him! Be with Him! > But be prepared to bleed!" " > > ROTFL! > > moni - --- Christopher Treacy - --- ctreacy1889@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... VictorJimfunnyboiBob wrote: Just stumbled upon this one, titled: Joni Mitchell: A STORMY LOVE AFFAIR WITH CHRIST A bit of a stretch of a review of BSN, believe it or not. (Good old Christians, they can even see Christ in a plate of spaghetti if they try hard enough...) Read the whole piece (if you dare) at: http://users.motion.net/debbie58/joni02.htm and after reading "that" all I can say is.............. OY is right!!!!!! yikes!!!!!!!! You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Linda Thompson - a minor miracle njc Yeah Sista Donna you rule that song! Sitting here at work - I am itching to hear it right now .... can't wait to get home and listen to it again! Thanks for the great rendition, my Sugarpants sistah - Tushy! As we say girl - Lovation & Peace, Susan P.S. Just wondering if Smurph was in Sugarpants what his name would be? Can't get that pictue of you in the gold lame' jock out of my headeither Smurph! - --- Mags N Brei wrote: > Azeem writes: > > << Dimming of the Day, of course, which despite Bonnie Raitt's superb version > (and indeed Richard T's sterling solo renditions) remains indisputably > Linda's song. That was a Moment! >> > > > and then Smurphashara said: > <<>> > > just finished watching the YaYa Sisterhood on this gorgeous and rainy day in Jersey...and I > agree...and will add that imho Donna now owns Dimming of the Day..her version is moving to the > core. > > beautiful. > > Mags. > > np: the rain outside our LR window... > > > > > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:39:13 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks I was not born in the 50s or 60s and am definately a Gen-Xer if you must label me, but growing up I had much of the experiences described below and had parents who held me accountable for my actions....don't count us out yet! There are plenty of risk takers, innovators, and problem solvers out there but you no longer hear about them because news is about what is wrong with this society we live in, not what is right, and and don't pretend that the government and lawyers didn't regulate your life back then, maybe now you are just more aware of it..... >From: "William" >Reply-To: "William" >To: "JMDL" >Subject: Tire Skids and Teeth Marks >Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:37:17 -0000 > >I'm not sure if this should have a no Joni tag or not - I've >never had reason to post a NoJoCo one before so forgive me if I >should have tagged it. Just in case, this email I received from >a friend reminded me of Chinese Cafe, bits of No Apologies and >who knows what else. > ><<> >You lived as a child in the 50s or the 60s or earlier. >Looking back, it's hard to believe that we have lived as long as >we have... >As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air >bags. Riding in the back of a pickup truck on a warm day was >always a special treat. >Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint. >We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors, or >cabinets, and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets. (Not to >mention hitchhiking to town as a young kid!) >We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. >Horrors. >We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then >rode down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After >running into the bushes a few times we learned to solve the >problem. >We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as >we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to >reach us all day. >No cell phones. Unthinkable. We played dodgeball and sometimes >the ball would really hurt. We got cut and broke bones and broke >teeth and there were no law suits from these accidents. They >were accidents. No one was to blame but us. Remember accidents? >We had fights and punched each other and got black and blue and >learned to get over it. We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and >drank sugar soda but we were never overweight.....we were always >outside playing. We shared one grape soda with four friends, >from one bottle and no one died from this? >We did not have Playstations, Nintendo 64, X Boxes, video games >at all,99 channels on cable, video tape movies, surround sound, >personal cellular phones, Personal Computers, internet chat rooms >... we had friends. We went outside and found them. We rode >bikes or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the door, or >rung the bell or just walked in and talked to them. >Imagine such a thing. Without asking a parent! By ourselves! Out >there in the cold cruel world! Without a guardian. How did we do >it? >We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms and >although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very >many eyes, nor did the worms live inside us forever. >Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those >who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment..... Some >students weren't as smart as others so they failed a grade and >were held back to repeat the same grade.....Horrors. Tests were >not adjusted for any reason. >Our actions were our own. Consequences were expected. No one to >hide behind. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke a >law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law, imagine >that! >This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and >problem solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years has been >an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, >failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal >with it all. > >Before lawyers and government began to regulate our lives, >for our own good.(?)>>> > >Forgive me if it's outta place here. >WtS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:50:14 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Travelogue question (again), NJC > Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:48:44 -0600 > From: Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley > Subject: RE: Travelogue question (again) > > Ok, so Jimmy jogged the memory -- let's make a list to see who can > remember what: > 3.) Who remembers buying either M'shell Ndegocello... or whatever, > Lauryn Hill, or Lucinda Williams because of the raves on the list? > > P.S. -- we really SHOULD do a list of favorites again -- those are > always fun and always changing. > > Evian . I did buy a bunch of new artists because of raves on the list: among others M'shell Ndegeocello's Bitter (and will be attending her concert here in Paris in 2 weeks) and Patricia barber (thanks Les)'s Cafe Blue, Annie di Franco (thanks Bob)... Notice all 3 are female singers. Still looking for more tattooed rock'n rollers on this list. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:52:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Speaking about bizarre links... In a message dated 11/11/2002 1:20:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > OY is right!!!!!! yikes!!!!!!!! Well, don't be TOO rash, Mags...word on the street has it that Joni's already back in the studio doing her next project, orchestrating the following songs with added lyrical twists: 1. I Had a King of Kings 2. Tin Angel of the Lord 3. My Old Man - Jesus! 4. You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio that only plays bland Christian music 5. Free Man in Jerusalem 6. In France They Pass the Offering Plate 7. Otis & Mary Magdalena 8. Sex Kills, Jesus Saves 9. Urge For Going to Church 10. The Last Time I Saw Jesus I for one can't wait - I'm already tired of listening to this Travelogue thing! ;~) Bob NP: The Beatles, "Three Cool Cats" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #481 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)