From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #470 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 470 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Nonesuch [Phyliss Ward ] Re: njc sensible choice [colin ] njc pluses and minuses [vince ] RE: NJC the election ["Heather" ] Opra -stonig in NigeriaNJC ["William Chavez" ] hey bpb murphy! njc [vince ] Re: njc pluses and minuses [Deb Messling ] Re: NJC PC unbelievable sickening U.S. election results [FredNow@aol.com] Re: election's big loser (njc) (pc) [Jenny Goodspeed ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] Re: NJC PC unbelievable sickening U.S. election results [FredNow@aol.com] my question again njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Lecture-Birds & the Bees 101 NJC!!!!! over 21 only ["William Chavez" ] Re: those songs you really just HATE (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! ["Mark or Travis" ] NJC Blood, Sweat, & Working Willy NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Happy Birthday, Joni!! ["patrick leader" ] Re: Nonesuch [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: those songs you really just HATE (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: birthday card? ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: God Bless the Child njc ["Mark or Travis" ] don't get me started, was recycling: NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Nice card, Steve! NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Costa rica NJC ["William Chavez" ] S. Dan Music NJC ["William Chavez" ] water NJC ["William Chavez" ] Fw: njc choice and cooperation will lose ["kasey simpson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:41:37 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Nonesuch I have to agree here. I took advantage of the option to send the link to a couple of non-list friends. They both ordered the CD in advance from their site! Kinda cool! Phyliss, back on list and counting the days till Stormy Weather! David Marine wrote: > I think Nonesuch is doing an excellent job of promoting Joni's new release. > There's a big banner ad at the top of the Arts section of the online New > York Times, with links to listen to -- and order -- the new lp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:48:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: njc sensible choice Here in the UK a law has been passed which will allow unmarried str8 couples and gay couples to adopt. It has already been leagal for single str8's and single gays to adopt. Of course there has been loads of the usual oppsition to gay people being able to adopt. the opposers would rather see children be unloved in an institution which is the situation we see with black children who far outnumber black people who want(or can) to adopt them. The powers that be think it is far better for these black children to live in an institution than for them to be adopted by white people. it really is time that adults stopped putting themsleves and their ideology/prejudices first and put the child first. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:08:16 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc pluses and minuses It has been stated that the country is moving Republican because that party claimed governor victories in Massachusetts, Georgia, and New Jersey. Massachusetts has not elected a Democratic governor since William Weld. Georgia's Governor Barnes was a target of some interesting people because of his treatment of the confederate flag over the state capitol. New Jersey, well the Kennedy who lost, ran a lackluster campaign by all reports, and has lost NJ races before (for congress). Alabama's race is still out there, and from what I hear, the Republican did in fact defeat the Democratic incumbent and will prevail in the recount, if there is one. The surprise was that Alabama had a Democratic governor to begin with. However, the Democrats took statehouse from the Republicans in Michigan my Michigan, in my native Illinois, in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Kansas. (Democrats took Kansas!) The Dems gained a few governors. The GOP gained a few senators and representatives. The differences were slight, just highly important for their impact. But there was no trending from one party to another, just slight movement. This country was and is roughly 40% Republican, 40% Democratic, and 20% who go back and forth. There were no signs of any movement of voters. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:31:00 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: NJC the election Hey all- I'm sure our jmdlers in Massachusetts know about this ... What do you all think about the use of windmills as part of an alternative to oil? I saw some up in Alberta ... in the Rockies .. and I thought they looked really cool. I was reading about the controversy surrounding the proposal to install some windmills off the south end of Cape Cod. They say they are larger than the Statue of Liberty. I can see both sides to this issue. Some think they are an eyesore, a threat to the fishing industry, and a hazard to the airlines. Then again, they provide a clean source of energy. Next thing you know they'll want to slap windmills on cars! ;-) Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of kasey simpson Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:37 AM To: jmdl Subject: Fw: NJC the election Kakki, This is just how he feels. There is a big difference between FEELINGS and FACTS. It's easy to blame everything on the oil. If you take oil out of the picture you may have to look at other facts, and that is hard for some. You answered all this before, and very well. I especially liked the blah, blah, blah part:) Kasey Oy vey > weird postings about the republican win being not so bad, it's not about > oil, blah, blah, blah. yeah all your friends are switching to the republican > party. you know why? because basically there's only one party anyway, so why > bother calling yourself a democrat when the values and voting record of your > party are hardly distinguishable from the republicans? > > the disgusting cave in of the democrats over the tax cut and the 'war' are > proof that the democrats basically stand for NOTHING that threatens their > re-election or their future place in the corporate greed machine. > > the horror of this election is that the united states electorate is so ill > informed that they can give an attractive figurehead regular guy like GW > Bush a 67% approval rating while he and his cronies are picking their > pockets and sending their children to their deaths over , yes, oil rights > and profits. (do i hear screaming? well scream away. it won't make what is > obvious untrue) we finally have the game show host president, so charming, > and doesn't he read the teleprompter well! He's so much better at it than > last year. > > I don't see any way out of this mess, and certainly have no more faith in > Democrats to bring about change. I'm never voting for either party again. As > pointless as it may seem now, I am strictly voting third party. Somewhat > like voting 'no' in Soviet Russia or Iraq, and just about as effective. But > I have to start somewhere. Beyond that, try to fight the stranglehold that > our political system has become every day in whatever way might inch us to > change and true democracy. Or.......just throw in the towel and move to > Canada.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:31:15 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Opra -stonig in NigeriaNJC I'm sorry, this may not be the right place to put something like this but I thought the more people knew about this the better. Will >Last Friday, the Oprah show covered a story of a >>>>> > > Nigerian woman, Amina Lawal, who has been sentenced to >>>>> > > death by stoning because she had a baby out of wedlock. >>>>> > > She has tried to appeal the decision but has been >>>>> > > unsuccessful, thus far. The head of Nigeria disagrees with >>>>> > > these stonings but has so far done nothing--partly because >>>>> > > of the fear of not being re-elected. I should also note that >>>>> > > the father of the baby denied fathering the child and, >>>>> > > hence, has escaped any form of punishment. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Amina Lawal's stoning will occur as soon as she is >>>>> > > finished nursing her child. She will be buried up to her neck >>>>> > > in dirt and townsmen will throw stones at her head until >>>>> > > they kill her--which has been known to take hours. I send >>>>> > > out a plea to all the women receiving this e-mail and to all >>>>> > > the men raised by women to join me and many others to >>>>> > > help prevent this horrific and inhumane event from >>>>> > > occuring. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > All you have to do is visit the Oprah website: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/tows_2002/tows_past_20021004_b.jhtml >>>>> > > >>>>> > > click on the Amina Lawal Link and you will see >>>>> > > a pre-written letter addressed to the Nigerian >>>>> > > Ambassador. Just fill out your information on the bottom >>>>> > > of the page and send it. It's as simple as that. You can even >>>>> > > go one step further and forward this e-mail to your friends >>>>> > > so they can be part of the mission to save Amina Lawal. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > It's your chance to save one woman's life. We can >>>>> > > claim ignorance when doing nothing to stop vicious >>>>> > > atrocities that we know nothing about from occuring but >>>>> > > there is no justification if we standby and allow for these >>>>> > > events to take place when we are fully aware of them. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Thank you very much for reading this....now the ball is >>>>> > > in your court. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Gayle in sunny Sacramento, California >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Comfort thy mother and endeavor to do what is >>>>> > > conducive to the happiness of her heart. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ---'Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'm World Faith p. 361 >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Today, like every other day, we wake up empty and >>>>> > > frightened. Don't open the door to the study and begin >>>>> > > reading. Take down the dulcimer. Let the beauty we love be >>>>> > > what we do. There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss >>>>> > > the ground. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > -- Rumi >>>>> > > >>>>> > > "Bigotry has no head, and cannot think; no heart, and >>>>> > > cannot feel." -Daniel O'Connell >>>>> > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >>>>> > > $:0`0:$x,88,x$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$x,88,x$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$x,88,x$:0`0:$ >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:31:44 -0500 From: vince Subject: hey bpb murphy! njc Doing an internet search - some local right wing fundies are angry with me for being outspoken - to which I say, me? surely they jest - and I wanted to see what there might be on the internet about me and sure enough, there I show up in Joni in Fiction, the television category, especially honored to be on page one, and listed ahead of the Colonel of Covers, Bob "I can spell my name" Muller. I am so honored! We shall now see what happens when right wing Christians discover my association with Joni Mitchell. "Local pastor supports alien singer." "Local pastor a partisan of nonAmerican artists." Or we can hope, they will be blessed by encountering the SIQUOMB one. ("Local pastor associates with mysterious "SIQUOMB" idol; some say SIQUOMB is a goddess, local pastor supports paganism.") One can hope! Thanks for the honor, bpb! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:59:15 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: njc pluses and minuses Hey, watch your mouth, bud. We in New Jersey have a Democratic governor, thank you very much (McGreevey) and in our Senate race, the Democrat (Lautenberg) trounced the Republican handily. You're thinking of Maryland. At 07:08 PM 11/7/02 -0500, you wrote: >It has been stated that the country is moving Republican because that >party claimed governor victories in Massachusetts, Georgia, and New >Jersey. > >Massachusetts has not elected a Democratic governor since William Weld. >Georgia's Governor Barnes was a target of some interesting people >because of his treatment of the confederate flag over the state >capitol. New Jersey, well the Kennedy who lost, ran a lackluster >campaign by all reports, and has lost NJ races before (for congress). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:21:03 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC PC unbelievable sickening U.S. election results dsk writes: >It might be a good idea to become a Baptist now because the government >and religion are about to become intimately entwined. Prayers in schools >anyone? Faith-based giving rather government social programs? Those are >both on the conservative agenda. Let's just forget about that separation >of state and religion idea that Democrats like so much. Not just government but now the corporate world ... I saw a news report that chilled my spine about the rise in popularity of Christian rock, the fastest growing segment of the pop market and now 7% of all record sales. That's OK, I don't have a problem with that at all (and even though I'm not a subscriber, there's a Jars Of Clay song that I really dig, "Five Candles"). But now, corporations like Chevrolet/GM are taking notice and sponsoring huge Christian rock tours, complete with worship service, in order to attract customers. And it's working; fans of the sponsored bands are flocking into Chevrolet dealerships to buy cars. "One corporation, under God, with liberty and justice for none." - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:33:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: election's big loser (njc) (pc) kakki wrote: Maybe it is "all about oil" as far as the oil being an important part of the region and most of the world depends on getting access to it in the middle east, but the whole situation goes back way before the Bushes and before U.S. involvement. I can understand your frustration with people crying "Oil" in response to the Bush administration's push for a "regime change" in Iraq. It is about the oil - not because the of Bush ties to the oil industry, but because of decades of U.S. presence in the Middle East and policies to protect it's access to middle eastern oil. kakki The Bushes and Cheney have spent most of their careers in public service, not the oil business. Halliburton is a large construction company, kind of like Fluor Daniel. They are involved in projects all over the world, not just the oil sector. I think George W. actually has spent somewhat more time in the oil business then in public service. And Halliburton bills itself as "the world's largest provider of products and services to the petroleum and energy industries". But even if Bush and Cheney weren't ex-oilmen, the fact remains that the oil industry - as well as other energy industries - gave the majority of their political donations to G.W. and other Republicans in the last election. And Bush as governer of Texas and as president, with Cheney as vice-prez - clearly favor policies that help the energy industry at the expense of environmental and anti-pollution laws. And white house plans for Iraq are clearly tied to U.S. access to oil. Definitely moreso then keeping us safe from state-sponsored terrorism. But their regime-change rhetoric has shifted away from the dangers of al quaeda to Saddam developing WMDs. And now they've softened their stance it even more - saying war is not imminent, while military movement seems to suggest otherwise. Remember the Gulf War - how the white house at first said we needed to send troops to keep Saudi Arabia from being attacked, and then it shifted to we must stop aggression in a post-cold war world and restore a Kuwait's legitimate (feudal monarchy goverment), and then it shifted to we have to stop Saddam from developing nuclear weapons and finally public support was won. Am I remembering this correctly? No mention of oil. I think that is what I resent the most - when white house administrations develop PR campaigns to drum up support for military action and are not up front about what is really at stake and what they are trying to accomplish. Jenny U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:35:52 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >>Vince asked about our most recent musical acquisitions...in regards >>to >>purchases, Funny you should bring this up, Bob, because I wanted >>to ask >>about one of my recent cd purchases. I picked up a Judy >>Collins cd at >>Best Buy for the ridiculously low price of $5.99 >>called 'Classic Folk'. >>Does anybody know anything about this cd? >>The vocals are beautiful but >>the production sounds a bit like a >>Hallmark Christmas compilation. But >>for that price and that voice, I >>certainly don't have any regrets about >>buying it. >It is the Canadian repackaging of Both Sides Now in which she re->recorded >some of her favorite songs. A steal at 5.99. As a big, long >time fan I >would have to agree that her recent albums and live >concerts do have that >Hallmark look and feel to them. A long way from >hearing her anger of the >60's and 70's. The most notable cut on this is the classic folk song "Barbara Allen". She has always wanted to record this but could never fit it in to any of her early (CLASSIC if I may add) folk albums. She will frequently sing this one during interviews or at her book signing lectures. This is one thing about Judy that really pisses me off. The flood of compilation albums with no rhyme or reason. The anthology "Forever" was necessary because this was a good compilation of her Elektra years(over 20 years on that label until she got dropped like a hot potato). A more formal box set would have probably been more appropriate but I understand that this would be an expensive venture for someone with fading popularity. So whats up with the bizillion other compilations she has put out? If she puts out another version of "Amazing Grace"... I just don't know that I'll be able to sustain my high level of respect for her and her music. I think Judy is a very good songwriter but if she is having a dry-spell then why not do what you do best. Interpreting the music of others. There are jazz interpreters, pop interpreters, etc... but lets face it, when it comes to finding an interpreter for the singersongwriter/folk rock music you are hard pressed to find someone better than Judy. Even she once stated despite her songwriting that she was an interpretive singer first. Despite what Joni Mitchell may have said in a recent interview about current musical standards, there is TONS of great NEW and old material out there suitable for Judy. Give us a real album again and stop the compilation, baby stories and X-mas CDs. I just saw this woman a year ago with Richie Havens, Janis Ian and Roger McGuin. She sounds better than ever, so Judy,"Stop the crap!" Workingwilly _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:52:21 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] >I DO know that BST does my favorite version of "God Bless The Child", >and >that's saying a lot given that it's Billie's song. >Bob I've never heard of there version. Interesting!!! I hope you are not comparing their version to Billie's version on Decca records. This version is high on the "sappy-angelic" factor because her typical producer for those sessions was not in that day (The rest of those sessions-BRAVO!!!). She has very good versions of this song, studio and live. I think they are on Verve. Also, Diana Ross (yes, i know she's a _itch but...)version of this song on 'Lady Sing the Blues' is a rock solid Pop/Jazz Version. The BST version, is it jazzy or are they sticking to their typical formula? Strangely enough, I don't have any of their albums, not even a Greatest Hits. Am I missing out??? Will _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:04:19 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC PC unbelievable sickening U.S. election results "kasey simpson" writes: >You are right, there are some differences, and the American >people chose which way they wanted to go. That stampede >you hear is the majority of the people voting for changes. Nowhere near a majority, not even close ... only 39% of potential voters voted, a little more than half of these for Republicans. So this alleged "majority" is only a bit over 20% of all potential voters. And this doesn't begin to take into account that most people are woefully undereducated and/or mis-educated (like Terry Nichols' brother, who, when asked by Michael Moore, "Why not emulate Gandhi? He overthrew the British empire without firing a shot" responded, "I'm not familiar with that") ... they get their information from mass market media owned by large corporations in bed with the government. (Dis)information which is ultimately orchestrated by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, & Rice (not exactly CSN&Y, huh?) in their sleight-of-hand dog and pony show. Which reminds me of a great cartoon I saw recently. It was an opinion poll, expressed in a successive series of pie-charts, the first asking: would you support an invasion of Iraq? -- and 90% of the American public responds "yes," the next asking: would you support the invasion even if it meant significant American casualties? -- and 65% respond "yes," then: would you support an invasion even if our allies oppose us? -- 35% say "yes," then: would you support an invasion even if it destabilizes the entire Mideast region? -- 25% now say "yes," and, finally, would you support an invasion even if it meant dangerous nation-building requiring years of military presence and billions of our tax dollars? -- and there is a tiny sliver of the pie left representing those still responding "yes," which turns out to be only 4 people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, & Rice. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:19:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: my question again njc i think i worded my question very poorly. what i meant was: do canadians pronounce the vowel in 44clout44 differently from the vowel in 44cloud44. ditto 44house44 and 44houses44. will any canadian apart from magsulah reply please? wally k, about to play kids in the hall tapes to an audience of blue-haired high-school english teachers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:28:02 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Lecture-Birds & the Bees 101 NJC!!!!! over 21 only >c) Think that they're "traumatizing" the animal by denying it sexual > >pleasure, not realizing that animals don't behave like people and are > >triggered only by biology. >We always adopt from the SCPA and they automatically spay/neuter. >Bob Bob, as a veterinarian, I must differ. All mammals have almost identical neural pathways. The brain(central), parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system works in an identical manner. Sexual stimulation is not only triggered by the need to reproduce, It feels good to them as well as you(or us). This is why you see "solo" sexual activity in higher mammalian forms just as this practice is common in humans. I think the common word for it starts with an "M". Still, I agree that all pets should be altered, as should a large portion of our human population. Anybody on welfare who doesn't know how to put on a condom or has gotten pregnant more than once is a good candidate. As far as abortion goes, you can make the mistake of getting pregnant once and get it aborted (if you must). Make the mistake twice and that person needs to get SNIPPED. Workingwilly(don't let the name fool ya, I'm on the repro-unemployment line for the moment-Hee, Hee ) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:41:05 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Bush NJC If the Republicans control the house and the senate in addition to the presidency this country will be heading towards DISASTER.we will be one step towards a repressive dictatorship.Bush's evil,heartless,distructive policies will be unchecked I agree, there must always be a balance. We need two extremes and a healthy middle! One last thing, Bush really isn't anymore heartless than any other president, he just has the _alls to let you you who he really is. He definitely doesn't take the "wolf in lambs clothing" technique of our past presidents. They've all been a bunch of snakes! workingwilly One last thing, I apologize to the fact that I frequently forget to put something under subject. I know some of you consider this very important, especially with the "NJC". _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:49:32 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: those songs you really just HATE (njc) > aaahhhhhhh Mark, it's all about the grooooooove in that song, it makes me > dance everytime, don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating lechery and > substance abse by any means, it's just that when I hear that opening riff a > joy comes over me :)) > > Erica in NH > I knew somebody had listed that song as one of their favorites. I wasn't slamming you or your taste, Erica. I understand about the grooooove in some songs. I was just having some fun taking potshots at some songs (and artists) I don't care for. I have never really 'gotten' Steely Dan. And besides, Bob Muller would be disappointed if I didn't get on here & slag Steely Dan every once in awhile. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:50:01 -0500 From: "Humble tiger" Subject: Re: njc pluses and minuses Vince wrote: It has been stated that the country is moving Republican because that party claimed governor victories in Massachusetts, Georgia, and New Jersey NH has also gone 'publican!!! But there was no big surprise there. Erica in NH _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:52:36 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! > Check it out: > > http://nypost.com/gossip/gossip.htm > > You know you are respected when you can bad mouth anyone and they > don't have the nerve or the amount of PR clout to even say "sticks > and stones..." Joni rules! ROTFLMAO! You GO, Joni! I agree with her 100%! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:55:00 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: For lama NJC >Gees, I *MUST* have been vulnerable 'cause it sure doesn't scan as a >great >line. If a songwriter starts out with that title, the >above line >tumbles out, really. >Lama You know its just like that Joni Mitchell interview. Unless you hear it come out of her mouth you really don't know what the meaning and intent was behind what was said. You need the whole picture. You are right it does NOT scan as a great line but he could have sung it in a way that it conjured up the world to you. I think this is why we all like Joni. She has a quality in her writing that makes you understand what she is saying by merely reading it. Few are this descriptive and visual in writing. (Then she puts on the vocals and music and WOW!) Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:00:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Blood, Sweat, & Working Willy NJC In a message dated 11/7/2002 8:52:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, willchavez@hotmail.com writes: > The BST version, is it jazzy or are they sticking to their typical formula? I think it's a pretty original treatment, yes, some jazz synchopation going on, and I LOVE David Clayton-Thomas' voice. And of course nothing against Billie's take on it which is also to die for. Such a great song...Stevie Wonder did a pretty version of it too on one of his early 60's Motowners. > Strangely enough, I don't have any of their albums, not even a Greatest > Hits. Am I missing out??? Well, I don't recommend 'Greatest Hits' collections, because typically they have mostly songs you're tired of hearing! The record this comes off of has enough hits on it to keep you anchored, and enough new stuff to keep you coming back for more. Bob NP: The birthday girl, "Refuge Of The Road" from Travelogue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:55:35 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday, Joni!! me sending prayers, healing light, whatever to ashara's ass, ahem, tailbone. i love you sweetie. and i'm very excited that you're figuring out next year's jonifest already. i intend to be an early committer, which anyone who knows me will realize is earthshaking... patrick np - the man who cried soundtrack ps. happy b-day to the joanqueen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:11:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nonesuch In a message dated 11/7/2002 5:52:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, davidmarine@mindspring.com writes: > I've been waiting for the release date to comment at length, but I urge > those who had problems with BSN to give the new release a chance. > > I'll second that!! This is a whole different animal. I don't have the liner notes (and I WILL be shelling out $$ come 11/19) but I am enjoying the sonics and the arrangements, which are fascinating. It's like discovering new layers to these compositions, to these songs we all know by HEART. Of course, the songs she's working with here are far superior to the tired things she wrestled with on BSN! ;~) Bob NP: Just Like This Train ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:13:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: those songs you really just HATE (njc) In a message dated 11/7/2002 9:49:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > Bob Muller would be disappointed if I didn't get on here &slag > Steely Dan every once in awhile. > LOL! I was gonna respond "Lechery AND substance abuse...what's not to like? " Thanks for not disappointing me Mark! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:49:24 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: birthday card? > http://www.jonimitchell.com/JoniCard2002.html > Mr. Polifka, the card is FABulous! Joni, There isn't much more I can add to what's already been said. Your work moves me in a way that very few artists do. I thank the powers that be for your presence on this earth and I thank you for sharing your amazing gifts with all of us. Happy Birthday, Joni! With Much Love, Mark Scott (Mark E in Seattle) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:19:00 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: God Bless the Child njc She has > very good versions of this song, studio and live. I think they are on Verve. Personally I prefer Billie's first recording of 'God Bless the Child' sometime around 1941, I think. It was on Vocalion or Brunswick or Columbia - one of those early labels that she started out recording for. I agree that the Decca version with the small choir singing backup was not a stellar version of this wonderful song. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:43:57 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: don't get me started, was recycling: NJC Good one. I once counseled a friend who "rescued" a dog that was walking along the highway. She stuffed him into her car, held him in her house full of cats then found a "good home" for him. I suggested that the well-fed dog was, perhaps, headed home for supper when she stuffed him into her car. She didn't like the sound of that. Earlier this year, some people at the restaraunt told me that they had "rescued" a raccoon who was 'trapped' in the empty dumpster. They had called the animal shelter which trapped the animal and released it far, far away. "You don't know much about animals, right?" I asked. "Well, no. Why?" "Wow. First off, where there's one raccoon, there's bound to be a family of raccoons. Secondly, the babies probably don't hunt. Third, raccoon's are scavengers. As the dumpster filled up with food-garbage from the pizzaria, the animal was going to become well-fed. When the dumpster became 3/4 full, the animal would probably take as much food as she could, hop out and feed her entire family of babies. It's possible that you starved the babies to death when you 'rescued' the mother from an empty dumpster." I guess not everyone took bio, eh? Lama Bree said, >>This reminds me of recycling: How much water does it take to rinse out that catsup bottle you recycle? (Don't we all make sure are recyclables are all nice and clean before we throw them in the bin) Now multiply that by millions of people rinsing their catsup bottles. How much water is being wasted doing this? So is it better to just throw that bottle in the garbage or recycle it using a gallon or so to make it clean?>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:54:40 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Happy B-Day HAPPY B-DAY JONI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Willy _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:01:21 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Nice card, Steve! NJC Hey Steve, That's a unique and clever card. It says something about her and something about us. Nice going. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:31:56 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Costa rica NJC "We will compete without destroying Nature because, beyond the events of the moment, our rich bio-diversity will always be a great wealth and we will preserve it. Before becoming an oil enclave, before becoming a land of open pit mining, I plan to initiate a sustained effort to transform Costa Rica into an ecological power. The true fuel and the true gold of the future will be water and oxygen; they will be our aquifers and our forests. Before we declare peace among ourselves and we declare peace among all nations; now we should declare a peace with Nature." WOW!!!! I liked this one! Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:47:39 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: S. Dan Music NJC Hey 19 - Steely Dan (lechery and substance abuse - somebody's idea of a good time) Gaucho - Steely Dan [what's it all about, Stee-ly? (and why should we care?)] Mark, I'm with you here. Other than "Deacon Blues" I just never saw what all the commotion was about. I find the people who like this music also are into Allen Parsons type stuff. Not for me. Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 01:07:52 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: water NJC Oh, come on! The water goes down the drain and back into the water supply, doesn't it? Or am I missing something here? It's not like you're pouring toxic waste into it or urinating in it before it goes down the drain. It's not like you used it to scrub your toilet or rinse out the cat box. So there's a little ketchup in it? Is that gonna hurt anybody? Since when did a little ketchup ever hurt anybody? Well, maybe on scrambled eggs, but just a little watered down ketchup going down the drain? Come on! Mark E. in Seattle (trying to sound like Murphy Brown, in my head anyway) You know I was about to type in the same thing but thought you guys already viewed me as some kind of Joni List non-conformist. Even if you did piss in it, so what?!?!. Anybody really thinks they've never swallowed water that was part of a piss puddle at some point?? People need to stop being ridiculous. Next time anybody goes camping and takes a drink out of that beautiful, flowing stream, don't look around, you might find a raccoon turd right by the waters edge. Our bodies are part of the earths recycling mechanism. As long as it is not some kind of toxic chemical, your okay. Wash your hands before you eat and forget about the rest. Will _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:56:14 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: njc choice and cooperation will lose What was troubling about last weekend and the election on Tuesday was that these issues were not discussed. Bush succeeded in making those Senate races about terrorism. Think about that. Bush attacked and defeated centrist Democrats who had supported him! Now, does anyone think that will engender cooperation in Washington? Other than Wellstone, Bush did not go after any Democrats who had consistently voted against him - Bush went after senators who had supported him! Whatever bipartisan ship there was, Bush destroyed himself by going after those Democratic senators who had voted with him. Vince Bush was not running for office. Bush campaigned for his party. If he took focus off the issues the opposing party should have redirected. Bottom line, voters voted, they made the choices. Kasey Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:10:19 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: NJC PC Re: election's big loser (njc) (pc) > I voted for some Repubs and some Dems...I tried to vote for the person and > not the party, I don't think this generalization stuff does anybody any good D.S. This has been expressed by many people on the list and seems to be the operating principle in politics these days, but I don't agree with it. I think the generalization stuff is why people are not involved. How can anyone decide on anything if it's all fuzzy? Then people just vote for whoever seems likable, or whoever gives the simplest and most appealing message, whether it's truthful or not, and not many people bother looking deeper. Kasey: There are dems., that do express some of my ideology. I think you have to look deeper than a party to vote. D.S. If there's no difference in the underlying philosophy of each party, why do you think there ARE separate parties? Kasey: Well for me, you have to have something to pin a tail to:) D.S. For me, it comes down to this: I don't agree with the basic philosophy of the Republican party, which is that "rights inhere in the individual". I think the responsibility to the community is much more important, and so does the Democratic Party. And again, it never plays out so neatly, or ideally, but those are the starting points. Kasey: This I agree with, it is the BASIC philosophy of the party that draws my support. However, it is the individual candidates views that gets my vote. Debra SheaGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 02:25:50 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC PC choice and cooperation will lose vince wrote: > > Whatever bipartisan ship there was, Bush destroyed himself by going > after those Democratic senators who had voted with him. It's sickening to hear him keep saying he'll work with both sides of the aisle. Sure he will, as long as both sides see things his way. > With bipartisan ship, fragile as it was, shattered, what it means is > that nothing will be able to block judicial nominees - and Supreme Court > appointees - from reaching the floor. Pro choice Senator Leahy will no > longer chair the Senate's Judiciary Committee. So your anti-choice > nominees will get on the bench. Your anti-gay and lesbian rights > appointees will get on the bench. The Pickering and Owens nominations > will reach the floor. Go and celebrate. Bush will be nominating judges for the lower courts, too, which is important because not only will they be affecting the people who appear in the courtroom before them, but also because Supreme Court judges are chosen from among them. When Clinton was in office, the Republicans approved very few of his nominees, so there are now a lot of openings just waiting to be filled by conservatives... From today's NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/07/politics/campaigns/07JUDG.html?ex=1037709012&ei=1&en=36e241aafa13f883 Stalled Nominations to the Bench Suddenly Get a New Life November 7, 2002 By NEIL A. LEWIS For President Bush and Senate Republicans, the most concrete satisfaction in winning control of the Senate may come in early confirmation of several candidates for the federal bench whose nominations were blocked or defeated by Democrats who said they were too conservative. ... Senator Trent Lott, the Mississippi Republican who will again become majority leader, said the Republican gains should be seen in part as an endorsement of Bush nominees, whom Mr. Lott described as "strong on law and order." In the short term, Republican Senate aides said, the party's victories mean that the handful of appeals court nominees whose confirmation has been held up in the Judiciary Committee will receive swift consideration and approval. They include Miguel Estrada, a Washington lawyer nominated to the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, and Michael C. McConnell, a University of Utah law professor nominated to the 10th Circuit court, in Denver. Both are staunch conservatives whose hearings in the Democratic-controlled Judiciary Committee were contentious. Other appeals court nominees will now receive swift hearings of their own, and votes, early next year, Republicans said. In a more defiant spirit, White House and Senate aides said they even expected Mr. Bush to renominate two candidates whom the committee defeated outright: Charles W. Pickering Sr. of Mississippi and Priscilla R. Owen of Texas, both rejected as nominees to appeals courts. "I don't see why not," a senior Republican aide said. "We didn't have the votes before. We do now." ********** Chilling. I feel a cold wind blowing... Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #470 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)