From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #469 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 469 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- joni and letterman [KJHSF@aol.com] songs you really just love, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] outch! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: joni and letterman [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! [Deb Messling ] Re: NJC Question [Deb Messling ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Happy Birthday - JOAN [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= ] Travelogue in UK on 25/11 ["Raffaele Malanga" ] NJC PC Re: election's big loser (njc) (pc) [dsk ] Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] [dsk ] Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 ["jeff t." ] Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] question for canadians njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: joni and letterman ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: buzztone.com preview alternative (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Songs WE love -NJC [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= ] Re: The Listening Well [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 ["jeff t." ] Re: Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] [dsk ] Re: The Listening Well [Bob Shemkovitz ] NJC Re: Call 'em Bobs or Bpbs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: buzztone.com preview alternative (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Travelogue question [FMYFL@aol.com] Statement of the obvious? ["jeff t." ] Re: NJC Re: Call 'em Bobs or Bpbs or Birthday ruiners [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] [Christoffer Gudi Somm] birthday card? [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Statement of the obvious? [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Statement of the obvious? ["jeff t." ] Re: birthday card? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Travelogue question [FMYFL@aol.com] happy birthday [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: Statement of the obvious? ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 ["Bree Mcdonough" ] travelogue [Susan McNamara ] njc [colin ] Re: election's big loser (njc) (pc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC Question [colin ] RE: travelogue/songs that make you shiver ["Victor Johnson" ] Nonesuch [David Marine ] njc choice and cooperation will lose [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:14:25 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: joni and letterman I'm surprised! When Joni did letterman for the TI promo, he seemed very cordial and friendly for the brief moment after she got done singing. I just watched the tape again and it seems that as he puts his arm around her, she says "Oh you're so sweeeeeeet!" in a surprised tone of voice. True, he doesn't often interview musicians on his show, which is a real shame in Joni's case, because she is immensely engaging, quirky, and authentic. ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:15:17 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: songs you really just love, NJC > From: "Cynthia Vickery" > Subject: Re: NJC - those songs you really just love > > > "king's lead hat" - brian eno > "little wing" - jimi hendrix > "hit me with your rhythm stick" - ian dury & the blockheads Hi Cindy, Good choice, although I'm not familiar with that particular Eno song (do you know his work on 801?) I'm currently beating my head with a rythm stick for forgetting to list all the Ian Dury classics: Wake Up and Make Love, Sex & Drugs & R'n R & much more. At least we've got Little Wing in common. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:27:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: outch! njc can i send a kiss to your tailbone? also prayers, of course. wk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de AsharaJM@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 07 de Noviembre de 2002 09:51 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Happy Birthday, Joni!! Finally coming out of lurkdom for a minute to say.... HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JONI!!! I've been diligently negotiating with Full Moon and gnerally getting things in gear for next year's Jonifest. I should be ready to announce any minute now, so get those checkbooks out, and get ready to make a deposit soon! Had a few setbacks this week- have to get a new hard drive for my computer yesterday, and I'm still not quite up and running on my own computer yet, plus I took a nasty fall on ice (can you believe it- ICE??!!!) and I am in some pretty nasty pain. For those of you that feel so inclined, please send some prayers, healing light, whatever to my tailbone. :-) Hugs, Ashara P.S. Welcome back to the list, Stephen! It's about TIME!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:29:29 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and letterman I'm not sure why Joni doesn't get "chair time"...it may be her request. You can tell that Dave is a big admirer just by the things he says about her and the way he treats her. Could be that Dave is intimidated by her. Tom Waits usually always has a sit down with Dave when he's on the show. Bob NP: David Baerwald, "Colette" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:32:24 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: NY Post Gossip Column on Joni's birthday!! This column is apparently using excerpts from a longer interview with W magazine. I'm anxious to see the whole interview, to see how out-of-context the Post column was. At 10:31 AM 11/7/02 -0500, you wrote: >Check it out: > >http://nypost.com/gossip/gossip.htm - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:32:51 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC In a message dated 11/7/2002 1:10:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > I think what bothers me about some liberals is how > they try to put all conservatives in the same box. And of course you can switch the words "liberals" & "conservatives" and the sentence still holds true. I hate that people even get labeled! Don't call me a liberal OR a conservative, just call me Bob! And add an NJC when it ain't got no Joni content. ;~) Bob NP: David Baerwald, "In The Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:16:33 +0100 From: "laurent Fonquerne" Subject: Happy Birthday Happy Birthday Joni, You will always be in my heart. Your songs give me every fucking day so much emotions and enough strength to survive. Thanks. Please come to France. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:34:56 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: NJC Question The author Katherine Ramsland (biographer of Anne Rice, has also written about vampires, ghosts and forensic science) recently visited our local library. She says John Edward has been exposed as a fake. He uses the cold reading technique, but apparently he also plants microphones in the audience to garner material. At 11:54 AM 11/7/02 -0600, you wrote: >I thought I change subjects and ask a question. >Does any one watch, read, or interested in John >Edward? I try to watch his show every chance I >get. Any of the New Yorkers ever been to his show? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:43:58 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC Bob writes: << Don't call me a liberal OR a conservative, just call me Bob! >> That's exactly how I feel! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:20:21 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: Happy Birthday - JOAN Alles Gute zum Geburtstag - and a bottle of German wine... Helga ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:55:46 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC PC the election PAUL PETERSON wrote: > > weird postings about the republican win being not so bad, it's not about > oil, blah, blah, blah. yeah all your friends are switching to the republican > party. you know why? because basically there's only one party anyway, so why > bother calling yourself a democrat when the values and voting record of your > party are hardly distinguishable from the republicans? I'm extremely disappointed and angry at the Democrats, too, for not speaking up and making it clear WHY they've chosen to be Democrats. Their trying to get along with the conservatives and fuzz up the differences was not a good move. The Republicans, as led by conservative Bush, did so well in the elections because they acted like they're politically moderate good guys that just want to get along with everyone. Bush has been the least compromising president I've ever known. So the Republicans dumbed it down and people bought it. And the Democrats did not do anything effective to counter that. I'm not ready to give up on the Democrats, but I can understand your frustration and anger at what's happened and at the whole system. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:02:30 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 Hi guys I was browsing a monthly magazine here in London today and saw an ad for Travelogue. It's official: it'll be released in the UK on the 25 Nov. And there's more! The collector's edition has an hard back booklet plus a CD Rom with a virtual gallery of Joni's paintings. Let's hold our breath now... I just listened to Otis and Marlena on the Nonesuch website: I've always loved this song and I just love this version with what it sounds a 'contemporary' string arrangement. In a way I feel that these song previews are a bit detrimental for the anticipation - but I couldn't resist! One last thing: happy birthday Joni. Raf _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:17:43 -0500 From: dsk Subject: NJC PC Re: election's big loser (njc) (pc) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > The vote comes > up again in 2004 - how much can get done in two years? Not a lot. And then > what will happen? People will vote for change again, and there ya' go. Except that the conservative Supreme Court justices chosen and confirmed to replace Chief Justice Rehnquist and Sandra Day O'Connor will be there until they die or choose to retire. There's no voting them out, and what the Supreme Court decides effects our life every day. As obvious examples, we have Bush as president, reproductive rights, civil rights, all because of what the Supreme Court decided. Ideally, judges are completely impartial but in reality that's never the case. They're labeled conservative or liberal partly because of what party they're affiliated with, and partly by looking at their legal decisions over time. Their underlying political philosophy always comes through in their decisions; even if it's subtle, it's still there. So when a president can "pack" the court, as Bush is now able to do, that president's influence is felt for decades. And when someone as conservative as Bush is able to do that there will be serious consequences in ways we can't even imagine now. All other presidents have had to nominate somewhat moderate judges in order to get them confirmed; Bush will not have to do that. > I voted for some Repubs and some Dems...I tried to vote for the person and > not the party, I don't think this generalization stuff does anybody any good This has been expressed by many people on the list and seems to be the operating principle in politics these days, but I don't agree with it. I think the generalization stuff is why people are not involved. How can anyone decide on anything if it's all fuzzy? Then people just vote for whoever seems likable, or whoever gives the simplest and most appealing message, whether it's truthful or not, and not many people bother looking deeper. If there's no difference in the underlying philosophy of each party, why do you think there ARE separate parties? It's not by accident that, for example, it's always a Democratic representative who wants to extend unemployment benefits or raise the minimum wage, or that the Homeland Security bill is held up because the Democrats want some benefits for the workers, or that Bush's nominees for judges, who when questioned say they'll overturn Roe v. Wade the first chance they get, are not confirmed by the Democrats. It astounds me that people do not see any difference between the parties, especially these days when the Republicans are ruled by such right-wingers. Didn't anyone but me see the platforms at the conventions? That list from each one showed what each PARTY is aiming for and there was a huge difference between the two in 2000. It doesn't mean either party will neatly achieve those goals, of course, but with the president and Congress both of the same party it is much more likely that they will. It takes a huge amount of money to run a campaign and that effects everything, and there's a lot of compromise in politics (or there was anyway before this new configuration) so such give-and-take always confuses things, but for people to say there's no difference in the parties just shows that people are not looking very closely. It would take an extremely unusual Republican for me to vote for that person, and I've not ever come across such a person. Even if the candidate is a moderate, there is a reason she or he has chosen to identify with the Republicans. For me, it comes down to this: I don't agree with the basic philosophy of the Republican party, which is that "rights inhere in the individual". I think the responsibility to the community is much more important, and so does the Democratic Party. And again, it never plays out so neatly, or ideally, but those are the starting points. Sorry for the teaching rant. Obviously, what I see as a superficial understanding of the political system bugs me. My comments are not aimed specifically at you, Bob, even though your message is what finally got me to writing this stuff down, for whatever it's worth. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:26:50 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Bob writes: > > << Don't call me a liberal OR a conservative, just call me Bob! >> > > That's exactly how I feel! > > --Bob It's so nice to see that the Bobs have made up. And are as one, it seems. Thank god, that cover-Bob fiction-Bob confusion was wearing me down. :-) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:29:45 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Happy Birthday Joni! Thanks for nurturing my soul and spirit for (gulp) over 32 years - of course I was only 5 back then! I don't know what I would have done or where WE would all be without your creative genius. And special thanks, though it may not have been part of your plan, for giving all of us to eachother here on the JMDL! The best to you Joni and I hope you get "All you want" ... including a creative explosion that results in a new "O-R-I-G-I-N-A-L" album! Love & Peace, Susan U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:32:36 -0800 From: "jeff t." Subject: Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 >In a way I feel that these song previews are a bit detrimental for the >anticipation - but I couldn't resist! Jesus I thought I was the only one. Ever since Moni's post this morning I keep heading back to the master list for one more peek. I want desperately to hold that new CD in my hands, let it float out of my stereo speakers late at night with the lights down low ... but I can't. I just can't. I sit here at work (sure, it's home, but it's still work) like a priest with a pornographic watch, looking and longing on the sly. Both naive and unscrupulous, I'm a man without will. Bo ho. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:41:30 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 In a message dated 11/7/2002 2:32:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, wyeth99@hotmail.com writes: > Both naive and > unscrupulous, I'm a man without will. Bo ho. Doing a Bo.Ho. dance, are ye, Jeff? Well, I'll take the opposing view...I think these samples are WAY cool!! Reminds me of Thanksgiving day, wandering into the kitchen to get a nibble of something in process, awaiting the sit-down feast that it seems T will be! :~) Bob NP: Ray Bailey, "Back To The Movies" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:43:47 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] In a message dated 11/7/2002 2:26:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > And are as one, it seems. Eeeeew...there's a truly nasty visual for ya'! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:42:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: question for canadians njc my dear canadians, do you have a different vowel sound when you say HOUSE and when you say HOUSES? CLOUT AND CLOUD? i seem to hear a different sound. i'm teaching a phonetics workshop tomorrow and i was wondering if you could give me some feedback. wallyK and his earthshaking questions ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:47:11 -0500 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: joni and letterman Cyndi Lauper also usually gets quite of bit of face time in the chair afterwards, too. I do think, though, that musicians in general get shafted on Letterman because of their last in line placing. Anything the runs overtime during the other segments takes its extra directly from the musician. I doubt its Dave's fault, though. It may be that he's intimated by certain people, and rushes through things a bit - I just found tape that I'd made in high school that had a Letterman interview with Bette Davis, and he's so nervous that he just stammers through most of it. Very funny! Reuben >>> 11/07/02 01:29PM >>> I'm not sure why Joni doesn't get "chair time"...it may be her request. You can tell that Dave is a big admirer just by the things he says about her and the way he treats her. Could be that Dave is intimidated by her. Tom Waits usually always has a sit down with Dave when he's on the show. Bob NP: David Baerwald, "Colette" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:46:40 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: buzztone.com preview alternative (njc) Okay, that does it. I need new glasses! When I first saw the subject, I thought it said "buttzone.com" Sheesh! ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:46:54 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Joni's coments on Letterman Well, Joan...that's not really fair, if you're basing it on what went down on your last appearance there. Don't forget, the Letterman show is taped in REAL TIME. The producers fully expect to put the show on air exactly as it plays with a minimum of deletion edits. I was there at that taping. Joni's last visit brought with her some 70 odd musicians to perform "At Last." If anyone still has that performance on tape, you'll notice that the commercial break that preceeds her introduction is interminably long. The setup for all the seats and microphones and placement of the orchestra actually was handled smoothly and very quickly given the amount of work they needed to do. The "Rosie" show actually removed their set and configured the whole stage to accomodate the orchestra. They needed only to come in and sit down. Perhaps if Joni had a smaller entourage, there might have been some time for chit chat with Letterman prior to her taking her place at the mic. There was some perfunctory conversation afterwards but David was warm and effusive in his compliments. I would have preferred his producers pulled the plug on the deer tick thing and gave more time to Joni, but then again, I'm biased. Maybe we'll have a chance to see if Leno or Letterman can accomodate the orchestra AND get up close and personal with the artist if Travelogue gets promotion opportunity. I'll stay up. CC "They sit up late and watch the Johnny Carson show."-- JM _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:18:17 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: Songs WE love -NJC YES, Mark, JA - I always liked this one too: Nature's way - Spirit. And I'll add a few more of my favourite ones (and doesn`t it put a big smile on your face "discovering" some of your's among those of the Joni-people - with the good taste?) - - and in no particular order - Love and affection - Joan A. Landslide - Fleetwood Mac JONI - Amelia/Hejira Hain't it funny - K.D. Lang Dieses Kribbeln im Bauch (German - Deutsch - yes - JA!) - P. Werner Before the Deluge - J. Brown Northern Sky - Nick Drake Gimme Shelter - R. Stones JONI - SOS Caravan/Cypress Ave. - Van the Man The concert with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra and the Da Camera Singers - Procol Harum - Live in Concert - ALL OF IT - Night Train - Ricky L. J. JONI - MOA - the lot - because: it was a rainy night - then Starless and Bible black - King Krimson AND: the M. and the P.'s: Caaaaaaaaallifornia D..., and S.Mc.K: Let's go..., and the Beatles - of course - ,and way back then..., BUT wasn't there A LIMIT?! - - Anyway - And songs we (really) do hate: ME: Minny Ripperton (?): ...Loving you... (was that the title?, don't know, but I do HATE that one, I really do!) But - who cares, Helga ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:50:32 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: The Listening Well Bob Shemkovitz writes: >on Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:28:10 EST, Fred wrote: > >> In my college days, way back in the early 30s, I wrote a piece for several >> horns and rhythm section, and the horn players stood around the piano playing >> right into it while I held the damper pedal down (which releases the dampers >> allowing the strings to vibrate freely in response to the stimulus of the >> horns). It was called "The Listening Well." It's kind of like the reverb of a >> huge cathedral or concert hall (or studio reverb) only it has more overtones >> and harmonics ... I call it "pitched reverb." A good example is Paul Horn's >> classic album "Inside," flute recorded in the Taj Mahal. In conjunction with >> the thick clouds of reverb, the usually monophonic flute becomes a chordal >> instrument. (By the way, Horn later recorded "Blue" and a couple of other >> Joni songs.) > >Fred, one of my favorite styles of music is late 20s-early 30s small band >jazz. Is this the style in which you wrote The Listening Well? From the >sound of the instrumentation you mention, that's the impression I get. >Did you record it, and if so, has it been put out on CD? I for one would enjoy >hearing it. Well, it's not on CD, but if you have a wax cylinder player ... You know, I may as well put a stop to this here and now; I guess in cyberspace no one can see you smile. It's a joke, I'm just funnin' ya ... not about the music but about when -- it was actually in the early 70s. And the music was kind of modal late-Coltrane style. Sorry for any misunderstanding. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:53:32 -0800 From: "jeff t." Subject: Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 >Doing a Bo.Ho. dance, are ye, Jeff? Well, I'll take the opposing view...I >think these samples are WAY cool!! Reminds me of Thanksgiving day, >wandering into the kitchen to get a nibble of something in process, >awaiting the sit-down feast that it seems T will be! :~) > >Bob Ok, your unflagging optimism and eternal enthusiasm must just the drive the missus bonkers. But I defer to your older and wiser opinion, for I too cannot stop the nibbling. In fact, I have downed the whole enchilada. You guys love the food analogies. And as I wolf, I am struck by the low notes. Her voice drops a bit, then a bit more, and if I weren't seated, I'd surely fall. I am a lucky man to watch fall out my window, sip freshly brewed espresso, and listen to these strains of Joni. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:00:59 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/7/2002 2:26:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > > > And are as one, it seems. > > Eeeeew...there's a truly nasty visual for ya'! :~) Jeez, leave it to a guy to not only get VISUAL but LITERAL! :-) I meant, you know, the hearts joining, the philosophies entwined, the minds melding, all arguments ceasing, joy unbounded... Apparently, there's still some mind-boggling confusion regarding Bobness and exactly what it means. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:18:10 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] Debra writes: << It's so nice to see that the Bobs have made up. >> Made up? That's not gonna happen. And the only thing Muller has ever made up is that sickeningly sweet nice-guy act. --Bpb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:18:44 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 In a message dated 11/7/2002 2:53:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, wyeth99@hotmail.com writes: > I am struck by the low notes. > Her voice drops a bit, then a bit more, and if I weren't > seated, I'd surely > fall. I was most impressed by the little 'tweaks' she does with the melodic line at times, inserting some bends & blue notes throughout. The only thing that disturbs me somewhat is feeling that while she has superb clarity & pitch, her vocal strength seems greatly diminished, and her ability to sustain a note seems very difficult. But that doesn't stop me from loving loving loving it - at least the one track I've devoured thus far... Bob NP: Ray Bailey, "Love Her With A Feeling" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:19:38 -0500 From: "Humble tiger" Subject: Bon Anniversarie a' Joni Happy happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!! I blasted DJRD this morning, feeling very thankful to have such beautiful music fill my life. Here's to many more trips around the sun!! "Without music, life would be a mistake"-Nietzsche Erica in NH _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:22:34 -0500 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: The Listening Well on 11/7/02 2:50 PM, FredNow@aol.com at FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > Well, it's not on CD, but if you have a wax cylinder player ... > > You know, I may as well put a stop to this here and now; I guess in > cyberspace no one can see you smile. It's a joke, I'm just funnin' ya ... not > about the music but about when -- it was actually in the early 70s. And the > music was kind of modal late-Coltrane style. Sorry for any misunderstanding. > > -Fred Yeah, as soon as I clicked Send, I figured there was something wrong timewise, unless you really are in your early 90's - LOL! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:23:45 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Call 'em Bobs or Bpbs In a message dated 11/7/2002 3:18:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > --Bpb At least I know how to spell my own first name! LOL! B-O-B NP: The Band, "Up On Cripple Creek" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:25:20 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: buzztone.com preview alternative (njc) In a message dated 11/7/02 2:48:12 PM, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: << I thought it said "buttzone.com" >> I checked it out, Lori, and it *is* a site -- an adult site! I didn't click to enter, though, so I don't know what the content is. (Although I can guess . . .) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:26:58 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Travelogue question Since "Travelogue" isn't released until 11/19, does this mean that Joni can't be nominated for a Grammy until 2003? I know there's a cut off date, but don't know when it is. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:27:56 -0800 From: "jeff t." Subject: Statement of the obvious? >But that doesn't stop me from loving loving loving it - at least the one >track I've devoured thus far... > >Bob I too. But just to make sure ... you (all) do know that the entire 14 songs from nonesuch are available, right? (and note to Mr. Muller - thanks.) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:28:46 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Call 'em Bobs or Bpbs or Birthday ruiners Spellcheck Muller writes: << At least I know how to spell my own first name! LOL! >> You son of a bitch, Muller. You're ruining Joni's birthday for me and my admirers. --B - O - B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:33:07 +0100 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: Re: Call 'em Bobs [was JMDL Digest V2002 #466 NJC] > Made up? That's not gonna happen. And the only thing Muller has ever made up > > is that sickeningly sweet nice-guy act. > --Bpb > Bpb?! I was just wondering...did you try to change your identity out of frustration from being confused with someone who IS actually a nice guy? Christina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:38:49 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: birthday card? Hey, I'm trying to access the birthday card and can't find where it is on JoniMitchell.com. Can anyone help direct me toward the right place? thanks ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:43:21 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Statement of the obvious? Jeff, Are you referring to the SWF files from the Buzztone website as documented by the wonderful Moni K, or are they available in another format elsewhere? Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:50:34 -0800 From: "jeff t." Subject: Re: Statement of the obvious? >Jeff, > >Are you referring to the SWF files from the Buzztone website as documented >by the wonderful Moni K, or are they available in another format elsewhere? > >Jack Those are the ones. I thought that the earlier, wonderful, post of Moni K might have been missed by some. No way, huh... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:54:33 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: birthday card? http://www.jonimitchell.com/JoniCard2002.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:56:39 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue question OOPS, I mistakenly wrote: > Since "Travelogue" isn't released until 11/19, does this mean that Joni > can't > be nominated for a Grammy until 2003? I know there's a cut off date, but > don't know when it is. > I meant 2004 !!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 17:01:52 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: happy birthday From one Scorpio to another, Happy Birthday Joni. Your vinyl's in my basement. Your CD's in my car. Your songs are in my soul so deep, I breathe, and there they are. Here's to many, many more! (Birthdays and songs.) Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:04:14 -0500 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Statement of the obvious? I, too, am loving these snips! My first reaction is that I like this album so much more upon first listen than BSN...I don't know why. BNS is a great record, but I just don't respond to it, or even to the JM versions of songs that I love in other forms. The orchestra is so much less obnoxious on Travelogue! The stretching of the original songs with the stretching of the orchestra to meet the original compositions is wonderful. (And I never thought I'd say it, but YDFTires sounds absolutely fantastic! I admit, I was skeptical...) Reuben Reuben Bell, III Events & PR Coordinator Glencairn Museum 1001 Cathedral Road Bryn Athyn, PA 19009-0757 www.glencairnmuseum.org >>> "jeff t." 11/07/02 03:50PM >>> >Jeff, > >Are you referring to the SWF files from the Buzztone website as documented >by the wonderful Moni K, or are they available in another format elsewhere? > >Jack Those are the ones. I thought that the earlier, wonderful, post of Moni K might have been missed by some. No way, huh... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:08:18 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Travelogue in UK on 25/11 >The only thing that disturbs me somewhat is feeling that while she has >superb clarity & pitch, her vocal strength seems greatly diminished, and >her ability to sustain a note seems very difficult. But that doesn't stop >me from loving loving loving it - at least the one track I've devoured thus >far... She could sing "Seasons in the Sun" that Jack song and I would love it. Cigarette smoking really does funny things to your breathing...thus the difficulty in sustaining a note. I listened to a few seconds of o&m but I had to stop. I will wait...it's difficult..but I'm waitin! Bree >Bob > >NP: Ray Bailey, "Love Her With A Feeling" _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:14:36 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: some favorite songs Ciao joniphiles, some of my more mellow favorites: Roberta Flack: Making Love. Tony Bennett: It Was You Supertramp: Even in the Quietest Moments, Downstream. James Taylor: Copperline Sade: Maureen, Is it a Crime? Carly Simon: The Right Thing to Do. Joni: Hissing of Summer Lawns, Love or Money. Ciao, dave. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:13:31 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: travelogue I listened to Otis and Marlena today and could have sworn I heard a guitar at the beginning. So Joni is playing guitar on this album? I hope! It sounds great. sue - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:58:40 +0000 From: colin Subject: njc http://www.smilepop.com/index.cfm?action=viewcard&content_id=456&page_id=456 - -- bw colin TANTRA LHASA APSO (reg 1982) colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:07:18 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: election's big loser (njc) (pc) Bob wrote: > The vote comes up again in 2004 - how much can get done in two years? > Not a lot. And then what will happen? People will vote for change > again, and there ya' go. Kakki responded: > I think it's about more than the economy but generally agree with the > rest of what you say. That's why I think people on the losing side > shouldn't get so worked up about it. I can speak only for myself, but the reason *I* am so worked up about the election results is because now there will be little to stop the kings-to-be from starting the REAL "mother of all battles," the one that could truly be the beginning of the end. I don't like sounding so fatalistic, but I've believed since childhood that I would be alive to see The End, and now it feels very close indeed. Secondly, as has already been pointed out, the Administration can now pack the U.S. Supreme Court with conservatives to its heartless content. So even if we don't blow ourselves up, what frightening changes lie ahead? For me, it's not about the economy (which has always bounced back eventually), and -- foolishly or not -- I've never been too afraid of terrorists, other than the ones that have been recently voted into office. However, THEY scare the hell out of me. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:07:03 +0100 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: WOW!!! Just listened to the three Jonisongs on WFUV...absolutely beautiful!! I especially liked TLTISR with the change of phrasings. Nice arrangements on all three songs (didn't know the first one). I definitely like these arrangements better than those of BSN. I have to agree with Bob though, about her weathered voice. I miss the vitalilty in it which used to make her sustain long notes and pretty vibrations. Christina, glad to be here, since in DK I probably would've had to order it especially from UK - causing a considerable delay. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:26:25 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Question > She says John Edward has been exposed as a fake. He uses the > cold reading technique, but apparently he also plants microphones in the > audience to garner material. > I know you are just passing this on Deb, so this is not aimed at you. I am rather tired of hearing this sort of crap said about poeple who have a genuine ability and use it. I have a strong interest in this subject(as does my partner). we have seen many excellent demonstrations of mediumship that were by no means fake at all. The people who slander these people are so arrogant, they think eveyrone is stupid and being taken in. There are bad and fake mediums. Yes the word is medium, not psychic. A psychic is something different and Mr Edwards is a medium. I have seen his show. Now becaue it is television, it is of course possible to fake it. however, what he does cannot be said to be cold reading. Cold reading is nothing compared to real meduimship. Either Mr Edwards is genuine or he is a liar and faking his messages, pre planend etc with plants in the audience. however, what he is shown doing is NOT cold reading. Cold reading is a favourite saying of pyshologists and magicians and who wouldn;'t know the genuine article if it was right under their nose. What THEY do is cold reading and crap. Anyone with a bit of knowledge can tell a fake or cold reader. There are people who set themselves up as psychics or mediums who do exactly that. however, thare are many genuine mediums. They are easily found and watched and listened to. The fact that people don't bother to research this properly and don't go and see them demonstrate tells me they are more than biased against it in the first place. IF you want to go for a reading: DO NOT pay a load of money. Up to $30 maybe. Do go on recommendation if you can. If you can, go to a Spriritualist service and see a medium working. Not always good, but the good ones are there.(and usually free) These services are not disimiliar to an ordinary church srvice with prayers and hymns but with a medium as the speaker/demonstrator. NEVER say anything to the medium other than yes, no or I don't uderstand. Don't fill in deatils. Make them work and TELL YOU!!!! If they are genuine they will give you information about deceased loved ones. Job, nature of death, physical characteristics, temperament, family details etc. The info will differ but the importnat thing is it will not be vague and will be meaningful to you, the recipient. If it isn't, then it has failed. You do not need to say anything. IF the person cannot provide this, then they are either fake or they are a psychic. Now a psychic is someone who can accurately give you details about yourself and your past and possibly your future, but will not be able to give the spirit evidence as above. All sittings with a medium are an experiment. If the medium is conscientious, they will tell you that the sitting is not working when they do not get a communiator. They will not bullshit you or fluff their way thru it. No one can contact the dead. the dead contact us. so you cannot go and say 'i want to speak with Elvis'!!! Just like with anything in the field of metaphysics(just look at those tv evangelists), there are deliberate abusers and fakes, there are the well meaning but uselss and or dangerous, and there are also the well meaning and gifted. It is up to us to use our brains and our OPEN minds to sort the wheat from the chaff. The only unforgiveable sin is a closed mind. A closed mind cannot be changed. A closed mind locks out forgiveness. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:29:23 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: travelogue/songs that make you shiver > I have to agree with Bob though, about her weathered voice. I miss the > vitality in it which used to make her sustain long notes and pretty > vibrations. I miss that as well. It kind of makes for a bittersweet listening. Adds a kind of richness to the songs, knowing how they sounded back when they were fresh and hearing her sing them now...kind of sad and beautiful feeling mixed together, like when the elves are resigned to leaving Rivendell and Lothlorien and returning to the havens. not diminished in their beauty but weary and tired knowing that an age is coming to an end. It makes me think of one of my favorite songs of all time, "Losing It" by Rush, especially the last stanza... Victor NP: Beck-Sea Change PS: THIS JUST IN! Hooked up with an amazing singer from a nationally known group who will be singing on one or two tracks on Parsonage Lane...can't divulge any details at this time but am very excited! Losing It (Lee/Lifeson/Peart) The dancer slows her frantic pace In pain and desperation, Her aching limbs and downcast face Aglow with perspiration Stiff as wire, her lungs on fire, With just the briefest pause The flooding through her memory, The echoes of old applause. She limps across the floor And closes her bedroom door... The writer stare with glassy eyes Defies the empty page His beard is white, his face is lined And streaked with tears of rage. Thirty years ago, how the words would flow With passion and precision, But now his mind is dark and dulled By sickness and indecision And he stares out the kitchen door Where the sun will rise no more... Some are born to move the world To live their fantasies But most of us just dream about The things we'd like to be Sadder still to watch it die Than never to have known it For you, the blind who once could see The bell tolls for thee... - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:39:32 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: meanie The snippets regarding Joni's W magazine interview are floating all over the internet today. I had to laugh out loud when I saw the following headline on my "Netscape- The Inside Scoop" window: *Meanie! Joni Mitchell talks trash* Joni, you crack me up! Hope you are having a wonderful birthday, you brilliant, clever, talented big meanie, you! :) Mia _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:51:20 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Nonesuch Greetings List -- Happy Birthday Joni! I think Nonesuch is doing an excellent job of promoting Joni's new release. There's a big banner ad at the top of the Arts section of the online New York Times, with links to listen to -- and order -- the new lp. The notes on the site are extremely well written and informative, and the tie-ins with the PBS show and the documentary should give the lp a sustained momentum (I hope). I have been listening to Travelogue for a few weeks. In the liner notes, Klein pleads for an open ear, and with good reason. At first listen it's easy to reject some of the orchestration as cloying, or overly embellished. But the lp only grows better as one settles into it and starts to accept these new versions on their own terms. Some gems like "The Dawntreader" are nothing short of spectacular. Perhaps many people who still identify Joni with songs like BYT will finally discover the post-C&S Joni. Let's hope! I've been waiting for the release date to comment at length, but I urge those who had problems with BSN to give the new release a chance. Best, David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:11:37 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc choice and cooperation will lose Justice John Paul Stevens is old and has to retire or die one day, a vote for choice. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor is quoted as saying she wants to resign, a vote for choice. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has had cancer; she is recovered, but she her health could adversely affect her tenure on the court. A vote for choice. That leaves Justice David Souter and Justice Stephen Breyer as our sole votes for choice. Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas, and Justice Kennedy - and whoever may replace Rehnquist, who has been rumored to want to retire - are anti choice, as would be their replacements. We lose Stevens, O'Connor, or Ginsburg - or Souter or Breyer, no one lives forever - and the votes to override Roe v Wade are there. Let us not be naive about who G W Bush will appoint. Choice was at stake on Tuesday. And please let us be spared any comments that Roe v wade cannot be over ridden. The court can over ride anything it wants, and has done so from its beginning. An easy example, Brown vs Topeka Bd of Ed. was a direct override of Plessy vs Ferguson. Of course, there are a lot of issues besides choice. Bush has stated over and over and over that he wants to appoint justices like Scalia and Thomas. These gentlemen are not freedom loving libertarians who are so-called strict constuctionialists, they are judicial activists with an agenda of "undoing" decades of court decisions. There is nothing wrong with that per se. Everyone is entitled to their agendas. What was troubling about last weekend and the election on Tuesday was that these issues were not discussed. Bush succeeded in making those Senate races about terrorism. And even that was bullshit. Senator Max Cleland of Georgia, who was defeated, is a triple amputee because of his Vietnam service with a long history in veteran affairs. The Republicans ran ads against Cleland with 3 pictures: Cleland, bin laden, and Hussein. The ads said that Cleland was opposed to fighting terrorism and was against the president in fighting terrorism. That of course is bullshit. Cleland supported over and over the proposed dept. of homeland security but was opposed to eliminating civil service protection for federal employees - and for that stand, he was pilloried as supporting bin Laden and Sadaam Hussein. (And yes, I saw those ads, I do watch CSPAN now and again...) And note that in the election, none, not one, of the liberal Senators lost. Levin of Michigan, Durbin of Illinois, Kerry of Massachusetts, some of our best and most liberal senators cruised to re-election. Most of the senators who were the targets for the White House - Carnahan, Cleland, Johnson - were senators who had supported Bush on Iraq, Ashcroft, the tax cuts, etc. (Wellstone, also a target, was moving way ahead in the polls at the time of his death. It is most likely that Wellstone would have won had he lived. ) Think about that. Bush attacked and defeated centrist Democrats who had supported him! Now, does anyone think that will engender cooperation in Washington? Other than Wellstone, Bush did not go after any Democrats who had consistently voted against him - Bush went after senators who had supported him! Whatever bipartisan ship there was, Bush destroyed himself by going after those Democratic senators who had voted with him. With bipartisan ship, fragile as it was, shattered, what it means is that nothing will be able to block judicial nominees - and Supreme Court appointees - from reaching the floor. Pro choice Senator Leahy will no longer chair the Senate's Judiciary Committee. So your anti-choice nominees will get on the bench. Your anti-gay and lesbian rights appointees will get on the bench. The Pickering and Owens nominations will reach the floor. Go and celebrate. And for anyone who says there is no difference in the parties, dream on. It is so cool to be above the fray and to be above all that. So, name me the pro-choice Republicans in the Senate, name me the Senate Republicans who voted for the Democratic bill which would have included sexual orientation amongst those things that employers could not discriminate against. Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #469 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)