From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #462 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 5 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 462 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: those songs you really just **love** (njc) ["Brenda" ] those songs you really just HATE (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC ["Heather" ] Re: those songs you really just HATE (njc) [vince ] Re: those songs you really just **love** ... Sassy (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC [David Sadowski ] Beatles!, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Marvin Gaye [David Sadowski ] Re: NJC - those songs you really just love [Susan Guzzi ] RE: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC ["patrick leader" ] Re: NJC - those songs you really just love [] Fw: Observations of life njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Fw: Observations of life njc ["kasey simpson" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #461 - Coyote [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Manilow covers River [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: NJC - those songs you really just love ["hell" ] Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC? NJC [dsk ] Alias Joni [CoyoteRick@aol.com] Joni on Alias -- Scooped [CoyoteRick@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:46:17 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** > Forever Young-Joan Bias Was this a Freudian slip? A deliberate jab at Ms. Baez? A typo? Or is there really a singer named Joan Bias? If it's just because you didn't know how to spell the name, please forgive me, Kasey, I'm not poking fun at you. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:52:08 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Most recent purchases/acquisitions NJC > Vince asked about our most recent musical acquisitions...in regards to purchases, Funny you should bring this up, Bob, because I wanted to ask about one of my recent cd purchases. I picked up a Judy Collins cd at Best Buy for the ridiculously low price of $5.99 called 'Classic Folk'. Does anybody know anything about this cd? The vocals are beautiful but the production sounds a bit like a Hallmark Christmas compilation. But for that price and that voice, I certainly don't have any regrets about buying it. I have also been filling out my collection of Bonnie Raitt's back catalogue. I recently got 'Sweet Forgiveness' and 'The Glow' from CDNow and along with the aforementioned JC cd I also picked up another bargain at Best Buy, 'Luck of the Draw' for only $9.99. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:02:20 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** ... Sassy (njc) On 4 Nov 2002 at 20:27, mack watson-bush wrote: > Brenda wrote: > > Sarah Vaughan - "You Are Too Beautiful" > > > Brenda, I have read your posts about Sarah more than once and thus > want some advice from you. I remember seeing her for the first time, > probably 15-20 years ago now, on some awards show, back when I still > watched them. I had heard of her but that was the extent of my > knowledge about her at that time. On this program, she had a > handkerchief and was wiping the sweat from her brow as she sang. I > don't remember the song but it was something deep, touching, and she > wrung the emotion from it and gave it to me through the t.v. screen. > All I could think was "damn, she is good." I then went out and bought > a couple of her albums but they weren't like the Sarah on the t.v. > The tunes she did on these albums were sweet, pretty songs. I wanted > the gritty, real songs by Sarah Vaughn. I know there must be some. > Help. LOL! Well, she was a pop singer back in the day...so I could easily see how you ended up with the sweet side. I highly recommend the following: Four of the records from the Pablo years: Duke Ellington Songbook Vol.1 Duke Ellington Songbook Vol.2 How Long Has This Been Going On and Crazy & Mixed Up ( My all-tme fave) She was a big time smoker. And by the time she did these records her voice had deepened considerably. Yet she didn't lose power. Her instrument was huge. I saw her live in Boston in 1986 and I was floored. I hadn't seen anything like it before and haven't seen anything like it since. From her earlier years, I suggest: At Mister Kelly's (1957, a live record away from the orchestras), Sarah Vaughan with Clifford Brown (It was originally released in 1954 and just called Sarah Vaughan - I think - but you'll find it now under this title) and Sarah Sings Soulfully probably the best from the Roulette years. She started off as the second pianist and vocalist for Earl Hines. She was a singer in Billy Eckstine's orchestra at the same time as Charlie Parker and Dizzy. I think her being a pianist as well shows in her singing....to me she sings like a musician plays...she sings like THOSE guys played. She is still my hero. Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:04:54 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Most recent purchases/acquisitions NJC In a message dated 11/4/2002 9:52:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I have also been filling out my collection of Bonnie Raitt's back catalogue. > I recently got 'Sweet Forgiveness' and 'The Glow' Sweet Forgiveness is one my fave Bonnies - she just touches on all the bases with that one...great cover of Del Shannon's "Runaway", and other rockers like Three Time Loser. And the ballads don't get much lovelier than Bonoff's "Home", or Jackson's "My Opening Farewell". A flawless record. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:16:06 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Re: goosebump songs A few more: C'mon, C'mon - Mary Chapin Carpenter & Shawn Colvin - on the Rare on Air compilation, soooo beautiful I Wish It Would Rain; Just My Imagination - The Temps - one of my first driving songs way back when Long, Long, Long -- Beatles -- a nice moody George one Black Peter; Stella Blue -- Grateful Dead -- Garcia could be so good at conveying sadness & regret Sweet Baby James -- 'ooh the Berkshires were so dreamlike on account of that frosting, with ten miles behind me and ten thousand more to go' Late for the Sky -- Jackson Browne And, I second the emotion for Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:23:04 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** (njc) On 4 Nov 2002 at 18:38, Mark or Travis wrote: > I felt bad that I didn't include a k. d. > song. I think she has one of the finest and most incredible voices in > the business today. > I agree. I've heard a few songs from her new record with Tony Bennett that's out tomorrow and my gut tells me you're going to love it. > > Irene Kral - "Where Is Love" > > I became interested in Irene Kral after buying the 'Bridges of Madison > County' soundtrack. I bought a couple of her cds (there aren't many > available the last time I checked) and was a little disappointed. Is > there a particular one you would recommend? > Well, my favorite and I think her best is also called "Where Is Love" and was released by a small label called Choice in the early 70's. They went out of business and the masters were bought by Koch I think. There was supposed to be a reissue but I haven't seen it. I picked it up on cassette in the 80's and just transferred it to my PC about a month ago. Send me your address and I'll be glad to send you a CD. It is just her and Alan Broadbent on piano and it is a model of understatement. Her version of "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most" on that record is very moving. > > When is Johnny Hartman going to get the recognition he deserves? Yeah, Joe Williams got all the glory!! B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:27:55 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** LOL Must have been a slip! I didn't even notice it until your post. I hope Ms. Baez doesn't think I'm making a jab at her.lol Kasey > Forever Young-Joan Bias Was this a Freudian slip? A deliberate jab at Ms. Baez? A typo? Or is there really a singer named Joan Bias? If it's just because you didn't know how to spell the name, please forgive me, Kasey, I'm not poking fun at you. Mark E in SeattleGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** I'm getting such a kick reading each list...especially the diversity! Joni lovers love all kinds of music; our one thing in common..the importance music has in our lives. ah, me. my list: For beauty: Joni: Hejira and Court and Spark...Bruce Cockburn: Feet Fall on the Road...Billy Joel: Vienna For tears: Billy Joel: Nocturne...Stephen Sondheim: Move On/Sunday...Erik Satie: Trois Gymnopedies For love/love lost: JT: There We Are...CSN: Southern Cross...Hall 'n' Oats: Wait for Me...Nanci Griffith: Love at the Five and Dime...Jethro Tull: Reason for Waiting For chills: JT: Country Road - live version...CSN: Delta...Nanci Griffith: Deadwood, SD For just plain fun: Monkees: Pleasant Valley Sunday...The Cure: Love Cats...The Smiths, Stop Me if You Think You've Heard This One Before...Jethro Tull: Living in the Past, George Harrison: Give Me Love and Here Comes the Sun Jenny HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:33:53 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** ... Sassy (njc) I would suggest her GERSHWIN LIVE album in 1982. It was a grand showcase of her deep contralto and how the orchestra (led by Tilson) was revealed to be the perfect accompnaiment for such an outsized talent and incredible voice. Her "My Man's Gone Now" from that album is potent mix of film noir, movie scoring and a dizzying spiral from top notes to the lowest notes I ever heard. Joseph in rainy Manila > On 4 Nov 2002 at 20:27, mack watson-bush wrote: > >> Brenda wrote: >> >> Sarah Vaughan - "You Are Too Beautiful" >> >> >> Brenda, I have read your posts about Sarah more than once and thus >> want some advice from you. I remember seeing her for the first time, >> probably 15-20 years ago now, on some awards show, back when I still >> watched them. I had heard of her but that was the extent of my >> knowledge about her at that time. On this program, she had a >> handkerchief and was wiping the sweat from her brow as she sang. I >> don't remember the song but it was something deep, touching, and she >> wrung the emotion from it and gave it to me through the t.v. screen. >> All I could think was "damn, she is good." I then went out and bought >> a couple of her albums but they weren't like the Sarah on the t.v. >> The tunes she did on these albums were sweet, pretty songs. I wanted >> the gritty, real songs by Sarah Vaughn. I know there must be some. >> Help. > > LOL! Well, she was a pop singer back in the day...so I could easily see > how you ended up with the sweet side. > > I highly recommend the following: > > Four of the records from the Pablo years: > > Duke Ellington Songbook Vol.1 > Duke Ellington Songbook Vol.2 > How Long Has This Been Going On and > Crazy & Mixed Up ( My all-tme fave) > > She was a big time smoker. And by the time she did these records her > voice had deepened considerably. Yet she didn't lose power. Her > instrument was huge. I saw her live in Boston in 1986 and I was > floored. I hadn't seen anything like it before and haven't seen > anything like it since. > > From her earlier years, I suggest: > > At Mister Kelly's (1957, a live record away from the orchestras), Sarah > Vaughan with Clifford Brown (It was originally released in 1954 and > just called Sarah Vaughan - I think - but you'll find it now under this > title) and Sarah Sings Soulfully probably the best from the Roulette > years. > > She started off as the second pianist and vocalist for Earl Hines. She > was a singer in Billy Eckstine's orchestra at the same time as Charlie > Parker and Dizzy. I think her being a pianist as well shows in her > singing....to me she sings like a musician plays...she sings like THOSE > guys played. > > She is still my hero. > > Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:43:33 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: NJC VOTE Dear Executive Committee Against Uppity People, Not a chance. We will be out in droves, and we will vote. But I'm sure many of your members will be out with Bill, and Terry tonight. Be sure to take your duracells with you. Sincerely, Life time member of the working poor.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:55:37 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: those songs you really just HATE (njc) I have enjoyed this discussion of most-loved songs and I have agreed with many of your choices. But the contrarian in me thought it might be fun to start a thread about songs we hate. Then a very strange thing happened: I could only think of one song I really, really hate. Maybe I am actually maturing nicely. Maybe I have finally learned to "let it go." Maybe I am just not digging deeply enough to remember the songs I hate . . . But my Number One (and only) song I hate is . . . (DRUMROLL) "I Will Always Love You" by Whitney Houston. Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:58:14 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC there was a song (Motown I believe) with the refrain line in it ...."makes me want to holler, throw up both my hands". anyone remember this? heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Brenda Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:33 PM To: FMYFL@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC On 4 Nov 2002 at 21:27, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/4/02 9:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > music@soulstreet.net writes: > > > If that exposition should move to the PC list, someone holler. > > > > > > HOLLER!!!! Respect. My future posts on the subject will move to that list. B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:22:19 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Hollerin' NJC "Inner City Blues" by Marvin Gaye. Was singing it out with a bunch of friends around 3 in the morning last Sat. night ;-) Kakki > there was a song (Motown I believe) with the refrain line in it ...."makes > me want to holler, throw up both my hands". anyone remember this? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:05:14 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: those songs you really just HATE (njc) Seasons of the Sun, Terry Jacks Mac Arthur Park, Richard Harris Chevy Van, Sammy Johns Name, Goo Goo Dolls ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:23:29 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** ... Sassy (njc) Brenda wrote: > LOL! Well, she was a pop singer back in the day...so I could easily see how you > ended up with the sweet side. MarkE in Seattle sent me a wonderful compilation of her early sweet side long ago and didn't stop playing it for weeks - it is something rare. > Her instrument was huge. I saw her live in Boston in 1986 and I was floored. I first saw her on some TV show singing about 30 years ago and was totally floored, too. Eventually saw her live in a small club in around 1981 - gawd. > I hadn't seen anything like it before and haven't seen anything like it since. Me, neither. > I think her being a pianist as well shows in her singing....to me she sings like a musician > plays...she sings like THOSE guys played. I always find it so hard to explain what is so special about her - yes, that is it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:07:32 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC Heather wrote: > there was a song (Motown I believe) with the refrain line in it ...."makes > me want to holler, throw up both my hands". anyone remember this? > > Inner City Blues, Marvin Gaye http://www.codehot.co.uk/lyrics/mnop/marvingaye/innercity.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:11:06 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC What's Goin On by Marvin Gaye... Heather wrote: >there was a song (Motown I believe) with the refrain line in it ...."makes >me want to holler, throw up both my hands". anyone remember this? > >heather > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >Brenda >Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:33 PM >To: FMYFL@aol.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC > > >On 4 Nov 2002 at 21:27, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > >>In a message dated 11/4/02 9:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>music@soulstreet.net writes: >> >> >> >>>If that exposition should move to the PC list, someone holler. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>HOLLER!!!! >> >> > >Respect. > >My future posts on the subject will move to that list. > >B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:14:01 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC I don't remember that line in What's Goin' on. I was thinking Shout, and I think it was Sam Cook. But I'm not sure. What's Goin On by Marvin Gaye... Heather wrote: >there was a song (Motown I believe) with the refrain line in it ...."makes >me want to holler, throw up both my hands". anyone remember this? > >heather > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >Brenda >Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:33 PM >To: FMYFL@aol.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC > > >On 4 Nov 2002 at 21:27, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > >>In a message dated 11/4/02 9:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>music@soulstreet.net writes: >> >> >> >>>If that exposition should move to the PC list, someone holler. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>HOLLER!!!! >> >> > >Respect. > >My future posts on the subject will move to that list. > >BGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:19:26 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Fw: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC I was wrong, here it is: Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler) Written by: Marvin Gaye/James Nyx Performed by: Marvin Gaye - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dah, dah, dah, dah dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah Dah, dah, dah, dah Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah Dah, dah, dah Rockets, moon shots Spend it on the have nots Money, we make it Fore we see it you take it Oh, make you wanna holler The way they do my life Make me wanna holler The way they do my life This ain't livin', This ain't livin' No, no baby, this ain't livin' No, no, no Inflation no chance To increase finance Bills pile up sky high Send that boy off to die Make me wanna holler The way they do my life Make me wanna holler The way they do my life Dah, dah, dah Dah, dah, dah Hang ups, let downs Bad breaks, set backs Natural fact is I can't pay my taxes Oh, make me wanna holler And throw up both my hands Yea, it makes me wanna holler And throw up both my hands Crime is increasing Trigger happy policing Panic is spreading God know where we're heading Oh, make me wanna holler They don't understand Dah, dah, dah Dah, dah, dah Dah, dah, dah Mother, mother Everybody thinks we're wrong Who are they to judge us Simply cause we wear our hair long ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:37:58 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC It's Inner City Blues - prelude to What's Goin On. And some apropos lyrics vis a vis the tax thread: http://www.sdf.se/~simon/marvin/songs/inner_city_blues_make_me_wanna_holler. html Rockets, moon shots Spend it on the have nots Money, we make it Fore we see it you take it Oh, make you wanna holler The way they do my life Make me wanna holler The way they do my life This ain't livin', This ain't livin' No, no baby, this ain't livin' No, no, no Inflation no chance To increase finance Bills pile up sky high Send that boy off to die Make me wanna holler The way they do my life Make me wanna holler The way they do my life ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:28:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Beatles!, njc I noticed lots of people are mentioning the Beatles. If anyone's interested in taking their interest to the next level, consider "The Beatles: Anthology". There are 3 volumes, each containing 2 CDs and tons of text and pictures. My own favorite is Volume 2. It was around '65 when John Lennon noticed that they were making lots of 'royalty pennies' as that wonderful Canuck says. Legend has it that he turned to Paul McCartney and said, "Right! Let's write a *swimming pool* then!" Sure, they knew how to write fun songs. So did Herman's Hermits. By 1965, these guys had the skiffle sound buttoned down entirely. Most bands would have hammered it to death, then been abandoned for "lack of growth". To me, the skiffle sound is not what makes the Beatles. It's about change. It's about texture. After they wrote tons of albums, they started adding new ingredients. John wrote "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" as a freakin' waltz. If you listen to the early albums in sequence, there's no precident either for "Yesterday". It completely came out of left field. (The Anthology Video interview about "Yesterday" fleshes this out quite a bit.) Like Joni's "Harlem In Havana", it sprang up by immaculate conception on its own, fully realized. If you marvel at "Strawberry Fields, Forever", you need to buy Anthology, Volume 2. You *need* it. George Martin did something (ha!) really amazing when he revealed for us, the demo, then successive layers, adding to our appreciation of the track without ever "deconstructing" it too far. While it's forever associated with 1967, the summer of love, Strawberry Fields was recorded (according to the liner notes of "The Beatles: Anthology, Volume 2") in November of 1966. It's a long way, and lots of musical growth, from "Chains" to "Strawberry Fields". Thank you, boys. You rock. Lama Standing firmly committed, on this election eve, to conventional wisdom :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:29:28 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Marvin Gaye Inner City Blues and What's Goin' On have similar lyrics... easy to get the two confused. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:38:31 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: NJC - those songs you really just love Fun thread ... almost as much as the one on TAXES! LOL! Okay, I have to stop now and submit these! Tomorrow it could be 20 others or at least ten could be different. Within this list are pretty much my personal top ten. Also, others that are just ice breakers, when you're on a long car trip or in a bar and they pull out the dusties to get everyone going. And a couple that I personally can't resist singing. No Joni here case I just couldn't ... also only one Beatles song - although Kasey I almost put down "I'll Follow the Sun" - hmm common ground!? Suite Judy Blue Eyes - CSN Moondance - Van the Man Ventura Highway - America You Send Me - Sam Cook You've Made me so Very Happy - Blood, Sweat & Tears Everybody's Talking - Nilson I Got A Line On You - Spirit I Should Have Known Better - Beatles Since You Been Gone - Aretha Do It Again - Steely Dan Different Drum - Lnda Ronstadt Somebody To Love - Jefferson Airplane Stoney End - Laura, Babs or Linda! Your Song - Elton John Build Me Up Buttercup - ? - help Come On Down To My Boat Baby - ? - help Fallen - Lauren Wood (Thanks Hell) Love Me or Leave Me - Nina Simone Nobody's Business - Billie Holiday Sexual Healing - Marvin Gaye Okay enough - Isabella is purring right in my face so loudly - I can't think anymore! As those who have gone before have said - STOP ME! DAMN - I just thought of 2 or 3 more ... I'm outta here. Peace, Susan NP: Shawn Colvin/Mary Chapin Carpenter - One Cool Remove (possible entry) HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:37:37 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: Beatles!, njc I have them, along with the greatest hits, red and blue. I love the Beatles, and I love the individual members. I noticed lots of people are mentioning the Beatles. If anyone's interested in taking their interest to the next level, consider "The Beatles: Anthology". There are 3 volumes, each containing 2 CDs and tons of text and pictures. My own favorite is Volume 2. It was around '65 when John Lennon noticed that they were making lots of 'royalty pennies' as that wonderful Canuck says. Legend has it that he turned to Paul McCartney and said, "Right! Let's write a *swimming pool* then!" Sure, they knew how to write fun songs. So did Herman's Hermits. By 1965, these guys had the skiffle sound buttoned down entirely. Most bands would have hammered it to death, then been abandoned for "lack of growth". To me, the skiffle sound is not what makes the Beatles. It's about change. It's about texture. After they wrote tons of albums, they started adding new ingredients. John wrote "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" as a freakin' waltz. If you listen to the early albums in sequence, there's no precident either for "Yesterday". It completely came out of left field. (The Anthology Video interview about "Yesterday" fleshes this out quite a bit.) Like Joni's "Harlem In Havana", it sprang up by immaculate conception on its own, fully realized. If you marvel at "Strawberry Fields, Forever", you need to buy Anthology, Volume 2. You *need* it. George Martin did something (ha!) really amazing when he revealed for us, the demo, then successive layers, adding to our appreciation of the track without ever "deconstructing" it too far. While it's forever associated with 1967, the summer of love, Strawberry Fields was recorded (according to the liner notes of "The Beatles: Anthology, Volume 2") in November of 1966. It's a long way, and lots of musical growth, from "Chains" to "Strawberry Fields". Thank you, boys. You rock. Lama Standing firmly committed, on this election eve, to conventional wisdom :)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:39:13 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC ok, call me stupid, but i thought that the so-called pc list was just an idea that was floated and died. i'm not participating but i'm really valuing this conversation, which is not joni but is correctly labelled. is it suddenly going to disappear? what is the pc list? how fragmented is the njc list going to get? do we really need anything more than jc and njc? please advise me oh solons of the list. patrick np - dusty springfield - let me down easy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:49:52 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: News from Rickie Lee Jones njc I thought some of you RLJ fans might be interested in this. Rickie Lee has new material and is working on an album! Anybody in the Bay Area manage to make it to the concert she talks about? Mark E.('s still in love with Rickie Lee) in Seattle > The following message is an announcement from the Rickie Lee Jones Web Site. > > First, I must apologize for neglecting to post my San > Francisco show (as part of the New Yorker magazine > festival) on our web site. I assumed the publicity was > covered -- but we could have packed it with fans if I > would have known. It was full, but I sensed we could > have had people standing if we wanted. > > The show was a discussion and music hosted by New Yorker > staff writer Hilton Als. It went on just over 90 minutes, > with Hilton and I doing Q & A and then opening the floor > to people after just ten or fifteen minutes. > > I performed new songs exclusively, or at least parts of > them. I left out bridges, partly because I did not want > to risk new unreleased work finding it's way to the > Internet. But the audience enjoyed it anyway I think. > And it was very good for me to play new songs for people. > I have not done that in many years -- played songs in > public before I recorded them. > > The discussion seemed to center on the idea of success, > as well as my playing songs and pointing out some > influences, or correlating lyrics and ideas from previous > works. > > I am working on a new record. Co-producers are Steve > Berlin (Los Lobos, Radiohead) and David Kalish, with whom > I wrote 'woody and Dutch' many years ago. David is a Phily > guitar player, and he said to me recently that I was one > of the great white R&B singers. That reminded me that I > like to write songs for singers to sing, you know, as well > as wound scapes and so on. So we began working on a R&B tune. > David asked Ben Harper to come sing on it, and he obliged, > and he sounds really great on this particular song. I love > hearing someone sing my song. I wish more people would > record my music. > > Then we wrote another beautiful song called Bayless Street. > Now we are well on the way through. Exciting. The shape of > this record thus far is a bit soul, a bit Irish ballad. > Good songs, as opposed to Ghostyhead, which was more > impressionistic. Actually, though, Ghostyhead had a number > of 'songs' as well. > > I don't know, I'm just excited to be working. The > atmosphere is good. Also in the works is the Ghostyhead > re-release with a DVD! Ghostyhead was lost in the storm > of paperwork when I moved from Warners to Mercury, so that > it actually has been unavailable in the USA for five years, > only on the market for six months. I will be glad to see it > in peoples hands....it is still quite a unique piece, maybe > the times have caught up with it a bit. > > What was such a dismal beginning to the decade is shaping up > to be quite a nice millennium. I love being here in LA, in > the warm sunshine and the cars and the people. Tacoma just > was too darned cold. > > We are trying to sell our house up there in Olympia. It's on > the waterfront, three acres, extraordinary beauty and it's > cheap! The Nisqually Delta, where we have lived for so many > years, is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen. > I hope someone buys it soon and is happy there. I am ready to > let it go. > > You can check out Windemere realty if you are in the market. > > OK, that's it. > Bye. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > How to use this mailing list: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > You received this e-mail newsletter because you signed up for it at the Rickie Lee Jones Web Site. To remove yourself from this list, please visit http://www.rickieleejones.com and follow the instructions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:58:56 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: NJC - those songs you really just love More common ground, Build me up Butter Cup was a B side to the Beach Boys 'Wouldn't it be Nice' but I don't think they are the ones that made it popular. I love America! My two favorites are Tin Man, and Sandman. Also big fan of Sam Cook You Send Me. I also like Blood, Sweat, and Tears 'Momma Told Me not to Come' Now Marvin Gayes' Sexual Healin' brings back memories of my first true love. In a tiny trailer (that I almost blew up trying to light a gas oven) I slow danced with the love of my life, and it would have bee for life if I had died awhile back! lol. No bad memories, first real love is always good in memories. Kasey also only one Beatles song - although Kasey I almost put down "I'll Follow the Sun" - hmm common ground!? Suite Judy Blue Eyes - CSN Moondance - Van the Man Ventura Highway - America You Send Me - Sam Cook You've Made me so Very Happy - Blood, Sweat & Tears Everybody's Talking - Nilson I Got A Line On You - Spirit I Should Have Known Better - Beatles Since You Been Gone - Aretha Do It Again - Steely Dan Different Drum - Lnda Ronstadt Somebody To Love - Jefferson Airplane Stoney End - Laura, Babs or Linda! Your Song - Elton John Build Me Up Buttercup - ? - help Come On Down To My Boat Baby - ? - help Fallen - Lauren Wood (Thanks Hell) Love Me or Leave Me - Nina Simone Nobody's Business - Billie Holiday Sexual Healing - Marvin Gaye Okay enough - Isabella is purring right in my face so loudly - I can't think anymore! As those who have gone before have said - STOP ME! DAMN - I just thought of 2 or 3 more ... I'm outta here. Peace, Susan NP: Shawn Colvin/Mary Chapin Carpenter - One Cool Remove (possible entry) HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:09:21 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: goosebump songs Stephane Grappelli - "Lonely Street" Andrea Marcovicci - "Someone To Love" Rickie Lee Jones - "The Moon is made of Gold" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:11:43 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: NJC - those songs you really just love Birdland - Manhattan Transfer The Waiting Game - Swing Out Sister Cross My Heart - Everything But the Girl My Ever Changing Moods - The Style Council Tiger in the Rain - Michael Franks Lonely Teardrops - Michael McDonald Old Friend - Michael Feinstein Invisible War - Julia Fordham Joseph in Manila (who likes Joe Williams) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:14:02 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: Observations of life njc Message Subject: observations of life 1.. Men are like Slinkies...not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. 2.. I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think, "Well, that's not going to happen." 3.. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing 4.. The other night I ate at a really nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going. 5.. Have you noticed since everyone has a camcorder in the car these days, no one talks about seeing UFOs like they used to? 6.. All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism. 7.. Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you $0.30? 8.. In the 60s, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world IS weird, and people take Prozac to make it seem normal. 9.. Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. 10.. How is it that one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire? 11.. Doctors can be frustrating. You wait a month-and-a-half for an appointment, and he says, "I wish you'd have come to me sooner." 12.. You read about all these terrorists-most of them came here legally, but they hung around on these expired visas, some for as long as 10-15 years. Now, compare that to Blockbuster: you are two days late with a video, and those people are all over you. Let's put Blockbuster in charge of immigration. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:16:59 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: Observations of life njc LOL LOL LOL. You know of course I have to send this to every one I know. Kasey Message Subject: observations of life 1.. Men are like Slinkies...not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. 2.. I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think, "Well, that's not going to happen." 3.. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing 4.. The other night I ate at a really nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going. 5.. Have you noticed since everyone has a camcorder in the car these days, no one talks about seeing UFOs like they used to? 6.. All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism. 7.. Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you $0.30? 8.. In the 60s, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world IS weird, and people take Prozac to make it seem normal. 9.. Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. 10.. How is it that one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire? 11.. Doctors can be frustrating. You wait a month-and-a-half for an appointment, and he says, "I wish you'd have come to me sooner." 12.. You read about all these terrorists-most of them came here legally, but they hung around on these expired visas, some for as long as 10-15 years. Now, compare that to Blockbuster: you are two days late with a video, and those people are all over you. Let's put Blockbuster in charge of immigration.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:47:40 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #461 - Coyote In a message dated 11/4/02 6:41:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > JERRY! Has your advance got Coyote on it? > No. > Jerry > Travelogue, as listed on amazon.com, includes Coyote. Have no idea if that's what we'll see on 11/19. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:52:37 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Manilow covers River Sorry if this is a repeat -- Barry Manilow has covered River on his new holiday CD. He is quoted in a news release as saying "I hope she approves." Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:13:25 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: NJC - those songs you really just love Susan wrote: > Build Me Up Buttercup - ? - help The Foundations Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 01:55:21 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC? NJC patrick leader wrote: > > is it suddenly going to disappear? > > what is the pc list? how fragmented is the njc list going to get? do we > really need anything more than jc and njc? please advise me oh solons of > the list. I have the same questions. And, where is that list again? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:37:24 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Alias Joni Hey Gang: I was at dinner tonight and a friend (Kelly, for those of you who know her) told me that in last night's episode of Alias, Joni was featured singing "River" at a critical scene. I didn't see the show, but wonder if anyone else did? Kelly was a tad light on details, but was certain it was Joni and it was River. I am so damn proud of her for being on the watch. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:41:08 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Joni on Alias -- Scooped Never mind -- I just read some recent posts and saw that some of you already heard -- I should have known. You have to be on your toes with this group!! Thanks, Warren and Sybil. I am glad we have folks on the watch. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #462 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)