From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #461 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 461 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: November 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: those songs you really just **love** - NJC ["hell" ] Re: U.S. Politics/Judy Collins NJC [colin ] Re: U.S. Politics/Judy Collins NJC [colin ] RE: those songs you really just **love** [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Morvern Callar njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Fw: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) ["kasey simpson" ] Re: those songs you really just **love** (vljc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: desert island songs njc [colin ] Songs you just love (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: desert island songs njc ["Brenda" ] "Pretty Ballerina" NJC [Steve Dulson ] Songs to love, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Morvern Callar njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) [dsk ] Re: (just) "Walk Away Renee" NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Fw: Fw: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** ["kasey simpson" ] re: songs we love most [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (brief clarification) [dsk ] njc tomorrow. [vince ] (NJC)Democrat voter registration drives--- business as usual ["Bree Mcdo] Re: (NJC) Repub vote thieves- business as usual [vince ] Re: Travelogue in UK ["joe farrell" ] Desert Island discs [AzeemAK@aol.com] NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) ["Brenda" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** - NJC Ron wrote: > >what about those songs you just absolutely love & adore... the ones > >that sound like an old friend,, that cause that sudden rush of pleasure > >when they start,, that have you cranking up the volume, and hitting the > >repeat button. And Kerry replied: > Secret Love - Doris Day (sorry Hell!) ........ It's OK, I'm coming to terms with that Doris thing..... Great thread, though, even if it's VERY hard to keep the list small, and not leave out anything important! But here are a few songs that "get" me. Most of them don't have any particular association - just songs that I love (in no particular order). And I've tried to ignore those artists that I have "collected", and stuck to the one-offs! Some I bought just for that one song, anyway. Boston - More Than A Feeling Lauren Wood - Fallen Dido - Thank You Starland Vocal Band - Boulder To Birmingham Indigo Girls - Nashville (had to include this one - it ALWAYS gets repeated!) Joni - Two Grey Rooms, Night Ride Home, Song For Sharon, FTR, Hejira, HOSL, etc., etc., etc.... (ditto) Hoodoo Gurus - Bittersweet Pavlov's Dog - Julia The Bangles - Eternal Flame The Beatles - Something Robert Plant - Big Log Bette Midler - The Rose Santana - Samba Pa Ti Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time The Mutton Birds - Anchor Me I could honestly go on forever - this has only touched the surface! And as soon as I send this, I'm going to think of some vital song I've forgotten! I could honestly think of another hundred songs.... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:21:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Judy Collins NJC Yes VAT is a sales tax. It runs at 17.5%. it is 5% on utilities. And you are right-it hits the less well off. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:23:56 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Judy Collins NJC > After looking at the chart of U.S. tax rates, I see that 37% is much > higher than the highest rate here. it goes at various rates. As John earns over a certain amount, the amount he earns over that amount is taxed at 40%. He gets an allownace of about 2,500 which he pays no tax on, then he pays about %20 until he reaches the roof for that rate, and then 40% on the rest. This is not including National Insurance which is a separate tax, and paid on top of the other tax. > > > Oh, my... > > Debra Shea - -- bw colin TANTRA LHASA APSO (reg 1982) colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:04:53 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: those songs you really just **love** good monday morning fare.... hejira - joni mitchell amelia - joni mitchell kentucky avenue - tom waits (bob, you and roberto should do this next fest!) after hours - rickie lee jones young gifted and black - bob and marcia spirit in the sky - norman greenbaum the moon is a harsh mistress - pat metheny many rivers to cross - jimmy cliff and lately sweet old world - emmylou harris les (mellowed out in london in the sun after a rain sodden weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:16:17 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Morvern Callar njc PROSELYTISING ALERT! Apologies for interrupting the discussion of the iniquities of the US tax system; normal programmes will be resumed shortly. I just had to put a word in for this brilliant, extraordinary film, which opened in London on Friday. Samantha Morton's performance will secure another Oscar nomination, if there is any justice. She's like an alien gone native. The film looks like a dream, exquisitely framed and composed, but without any Peter Greenaway-esque attention seeking. Fabulous soundtrack too, highlights including a canter through a supermarket to the strains of Some Velvet Morning, and some real gallows humour in a grisly scene which is accompanied by the Velvet Underground's jaunty I'm Sticking With You. If I can persuade one person to see this film who wouldn't otherwise have seen it, I feel I will have added just a little to the sum of human happiness :-) For background about the story and the making of the film, there's a terrific feature in The Guardian, the link for which is below. http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,6737,804865,00.html OK, my work here is done... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:31:37 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) Brenda, I think you've said this right. I believe the biggest differences in the two parties is how to allocate tax dollars. I don't think I've ever voted on a candidate based on raising or lowering taxes, as my sole concern. It maybe more of an issue locally than nationally. I also don't think I've ever voted on a candidate based solely on their party affiliations. I really do listen to the platforms, read their past records, listen to the debates, and try to make the most informed choice I can. Sometimes I vote rep., sometimes I vote dem. It just depends. Kasey I don't think you've shown a pro-Democratic bias, but an anti-Republican one. And I'm not really interested in countering that with a pro-Republican bias, so much as I am striving to bring things back to the middle. I don't actually think that I have a pro-Republican bias. If you look back at most of my posts on this topic and others, I think you will find a common thread - I believe the parties are very similar on a few issues when it comes to their actions and the end result. And that the only way we, as Americans can change the result is to find the things we have in common, no matter what our party affiliation or political bent. Brenda - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:49:31 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #325 EverBody'sTalking - Nillson My Old Flame - Billlie Holliday Long Ago and Far Away - Jame Taylor Hymns to the Silence- Van Morrison Moondance- Van Morrison Down to Zero- Joan Armatrading Love Itself- Leonard Cohen I Fall To Piece - Patsy Cline Sunday Kind of Love- Etta James Life Fsat Die Young- Faron Young I'm Still In Love With YOu - Steve Earl Mattie's - Aretha Franklin Second That Emotion- Smokey Robinson Tim Finegan's Wake- Clancy Brothers Woman of Heart and Mind- Joni Years May Go By - Ricki Lee Jones Slippery People - Talking Heads ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:53:23 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** - NJC In a message dated Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:08:53 +1300, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > Hoodoo Gurus - Bittersweet Great pick, Hell...this one doesn't 'get me' so much but it's still a great song! The Gurus were one my 80's faves, when I was searching out stuff other than the radio dreck. They put out about 2 and a half great records, unfortunately they kept on going long after they ran out of ideas. A couple of years ago they were playing the "Upper SC State Fair", and I thought 'how sad'.... Bob NP: America, "Hat Trick" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:02:06 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (just) "Covers project, Left Banke" NJC In a message dated 11/4/2002 1:24:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > and who knew Rickie Lee Jones ever covered Walk Away Renee? Probably all of us that have been digging "Girl At Her Volcano" since it came out....and yes, I've surfed quite a bit at that 'covers' site and made some contributions to the database as well. All in all it's a great site. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:02:33 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** Mack, I love Bette Midler! Do you want to dance is one of my favorites. I also like Forever Young-Joan Bias Peaceful Easy Feelin'-Eagles If-Bread Ain't no Sunshine-Bill Withers Slow Dancin'-Johnny Rivers I'll Follow the Sun-Beatles You Needed Me-Anne Murry and the list goes on, and on, and on........... Kasey PS: I love Doris Day too:) Bette Midler-Do You Wanna Dance? Do ya, do ya, do ya? Maybe it is true what has been said. Lost in the 70's. lol MackGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:56:26 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:04:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk writes: > kentucky avenue - tom waits (bob, you and roberto should do > this next fest!) Hey thanks, Les...and as Tom would say "You must be reading my mail..." because we're already in intense negotiations for such a set! Bob, also in London-like weather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:04:47 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Most recent purchases/acquisitions NJC Vince asked about our most recent musical acquisitions...in regards to purchases, my most recent were "These Foolish Things" by Bryan Ferry (for a cover of "You're So Square") & "Moon At The Window" by Rachel Z. Most recent gift is a CD by Sissel. Most recent trade was Joni's show in Minneapolis 10/23/98. Looking forward to acquiring Travelogue soon! :~) Bob NP: America, "Green Monkey" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:11:53 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Travelogue in UK Bill Pearson wrote: > > > JERRY! Has your advance got Coyote on it? No. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:22:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** (vljc) Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > >The Isley Brothers - "Harvest for the World" > > Gosh YES!! Cincinnati's own.. THE Isley Brothers! "Harvest for the World" > would be in my top twenty favorite songs of ALL time! When I saw Bonnie Raitt in concert a few weeks back she said she had just played a huge outdoor festival. She said. "I had to follow the Isley Brothers. Have YOU ever had to follow the Isley Brothers?!" Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:58:47 EST From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: Joni Request Hey! I would love to hear "Conversation" from LADIES OF THE CANYON coming through my speakers! Good luck with the show! Harry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:24:04 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: desert island songs what about those songs you just absolutely love & adore... the ones that sound like an old friend,, that cause that sudden rush of pleasure when they start,, that have you cranking up the volume, and hitting the repeat button. what a fun fun question and i'll try to be honest as possible\ lets start with joni electricity: people's parties song for sharon coyote night in the city dawntreader the gallery laura: time and love save the country mercy on broadway timer judy c: early morning rain so early in the spring both sides now mr tambourine man joan b: love is just a 4 letter word the death of queen jane one too many mornings stoned soul picnic--5th dimension like to get to know you--spanky and our gang supremes: love is here and now you're gone ask any girl in and out of love 4 tops: baby i need your lovin ask the lonely martha and the vandellas: in my lonely room nowhere to run beatles: i feel fine things we said today dear prudence happiness is a warm gun strawberry fields there's a place ask me why (somebody stop me) stones: streetfighting man dandelion she's a rainbow gimmie shelter flight 505 frank sinatra: i've got you under my skin summer wind pick yourself up elvis costello: beyond belief love for tender new amsterdam roxy music: out of the blue both ends burning dance away vince guaraldi: linus and lucy oh tannenbaum aretha gentle on my mind until you come back to me angel chain of fools dionne: walk on by valley of the dolls promises promises dusty springfield: son of a preacher man all cried out petula clark: round every corner don't give up sign of the times led zepplin: friends ballad of evermore (with sandy d) i couldn't live without any of these songs (or artists) and obviously i could go on and on i didn't even touch rosemary clooney or billie holiday or bing crosby or the jam & the clash or the kinks or the who xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:05:43 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: desert island songs njc Stay With Me - Midler Touched By The Sun - Carly Song For Sharon -Joni Amelia - Joni Slouching-Joni It Was So Easy - Carly Bridge Over Troubled Water-by almost anybody How Great Thou Art-anyone Amazing Grace Manic Monday and Eternal Flame -Bangles You've Got a Friend-Carole King Carmina Burana Conquest of Paradise -Vangelis Can I Hold You-Tracy Chapman the confedence song my Julie Andrews from TSOM. Can't Get You Out Of My Head - Kylie Honey-Bobby Goldsboro First Time Ever I Saw Your Face - Flack? Something - Bassey and there's more.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:07:58 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Songs you just love (NJC) Bob wrote: >The Left Banke - Walk Away Renee: A perfect bittersweet pop song, even when I >was a wee lad listening to the radio this song moved me in inexplicable ways. And don't forget them doing "Pretty Ballerina". Another gorgeous bittersweet song...it came out when I was about 17...don't know if it had anything to do with me dating a lot of dancers, and eventually marrying one. :) More faves, off the top of my head: Euryhmics: Here Comes The Rain Again Pete Nelson: Summer of Love Elvis Costello: Watching The Detectives June Tabor: Eric Bogle's The Band Played Waltzing Matilda Jack Hardy: Things I Oughta Know "Were the grapes of wrath union-picked by Victor Jara's hands?" Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer: Gentle Arms of Eden Bob Franke: Thanksgiving Eve Steve Goodman: Michael Smith's The Dutchman Gosh, there are so many... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:20:18 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: desert island songs njc On 4 Nov 2002 at 16:05, colin wrote: > First Time Ever I Saw Your Face - Flack? Yeah, Roberta Flack. Her duet with Donny Hathaway, "Where Is The Love" is another one I would add to my list. B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:43:50 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: "Pretty Ballerina" NJC Ah Vince, now I see you beat me to it...thanks for the lyrics...there were a couple of lines I never really understood...sigh... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:55:57 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Songs to love, NJC In no particular order: Santana: Black Magic Woman (timeless Peter Green song) Chicago: If You Leave Me Now (one of my first "slows") Yardbirds: Heartful of Soul (guitar or sitar version) John Hiatt: Stood Up (my motto) Ry Cooder: The Very Thing (that makes her rich will make you poor, if you get the drift) Chuck Berry: Johnny B Goode (with Johnny Johnson: such a delicate touch in a brutal world) Billy Stewart: Standing in the Park (with yoooooou, sha la la la la) Hendrix: Little Wing (butterflies and zebras, yah man I'll take some) Crosby: Guinnevere (she had green eyes baby like you) Joni: Woodstock (S&L version or even CSN&Y version on Dija Vu) James Williams (Art Blakey sideman): ETA Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:08:04 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Morvern Callar njc Azeem writes: << If I can persuade one person to see this film who wouldn't otherwise have seen it, I feel I will have added just a little to the sum of human happiness :-) >> Thanks for the heads-up and the link, Azeem. Another lister turned me on to the novel a few months ago and I thought it could be a terrific movie with the right director and lead actress. Looks like it's got both! Movern was such a music slut, the soundtrack must be great. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:24:41 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) Brenda wrote: > > I apologize if you think or anyone else thinks I have misconstrued what you originally > said. I was simply trying to take things one step further in light of the overall > discussion. Oh, I see. Thanks for being so clear about it. I was so focused on the "point", which I felt was not being heard, that I didn't pick up on the invitation to continue on. > It's not that I think you said that the Republicans are solely responsible for the > current tax system. I wasn't pointing to those things in order to refute that as some > kind of "construed" point, but to say that although "lower taxes" is a part of the > Republican platform (words) both parties use taxes to their benefit in terms of licking > the hands that feed them (action). Yes, but surely you'd agree that they use taxation in different ways. The goals are the same -- raise enough revenue and while doing it offend as few of the citizens as possible -- but it's not by accident that Republicans usually want less capital gains tax and Democrats usually want less tax on the lower and middle income groups. It's a reflection of each party's underlying philosophy. If it wasn't, then why the constant partisan tussle over taxes? > It's the reason why I believe you won't see a serious Democratic effort to remove any > significant bit of the tax code that gives people the tax breaks you're referring to That doesn't bother me. There are probably things in the tax code that a conservative would not be happy about... the death tax for example. > I don't actually think that I have a pro-Republican bias. If you look back at most of > my posts on this topic and others, I think you will find a common thread - I believe > the parties are very similar on a few issues when it comes to their actions and the > end result. And that the only way we, as Americans can change the result is to find > the things we have in common, no matter what our party affiliation or political bent. Yes, I recall you mentioning that many times. The concern I have is that, in trying to get to that common ground, real differences may be covered over rather than understood. To me, it's better to recognize differences between people, try to understand, accept, and appreciate them, or at least mutually agree to respect those differences, and go from there. Since the Republican Party became controlled by the conservatives, I see major differences between the political parties. I don't get the impression you completely ignore differences because if you did, this conversation wouldn't have continued. So I'm curious now about what you see as the similarities people can focus on in order to come together and make some changes. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:38:23 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (short/medium?) Brenda wrote: > > I meant to ask this before....where do you live? New York City > I'm in southern California and I've heard no mention of the estate tax in races out > here. A conservative political group sent fliers to voters in Minnesota with a picture of a tombstone on it and the message that Paul Wellstone not only wants to tax you to death now, he wants to tax you in the hereafter. They were sent before Paul Wellstone died, so it wasn't deliberately ghoulish on their part, but even if he hadn't died, it bugs me the way conservatives try to scare people with that "Democrats want big government, they'll tax you to death" idea. The government quadrupled under Reagan, and it's growing again under Bush, and at some point higher taxes are going to pay for that. Why are people still falling for such untrue garbage from the Republicans? Then a few days ago, my clock radio alarm woke me up and the first thing I heard was a political ad talking about the death tax and how the big bad Democrats don't want to repeal it. Obviously those big bad Democrats want to tax everyone to death. Those weren't the exact words but that's how it sounded. This is such a liberal place I was very surprised that was used in anyone's campaign, and I was so annoyed I don't even know who the candidate was. Bush has mentioned the death tax often and it's part of the party's agenda so it's hard to believe it's not being used by all Republican campaigners, especially in the places where Bush is making appearances, although it's probably not a main issue for all of them. In Bush's state of the union addresses, and even in the formal party platform for 2000 it's referred to as the "death tax", never the estate tax, probably because some voters might realize they don't have an estate and so the tax just might not apply to them. But death is going to get us all, so there ya go, it becomes the death tax. It's just one little issue, but it's so dishonest it makes me angrily crabby or crabbily angry... whatever it's called, it's not very pleasant. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:57:21 -0500 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love**njc No one really knows me on this list so maybe this might help everyone get an idea of who I am.... In no special order: Reminiscing: The Little River Band Listen to the Lion: Van Morrison Indian Summer: The Doors Thunder Road: Bruuuuuce Springsteen (the live acoustic version ROCKS!) America: Simon and Garfunkel Old Laughing Lady: Neil Young Summer Breeze: Seals & Crofts Mountains of the Moon: The Grateful Dead Naima: Coltrane Sullivan Street: The Counting Crows Martha: Tom Waits Hey 19: Steely Dan Whatugot: Groove Collective Shelter from the Storm: Dylan Unbroken Chain: The Grateful Dead April in Paris: Billie Holiday Natural Beauty: Neil Young Secret World: Peter Gabriel Babylon Sister: Steely Dan Someone Saved My Life Tonight: Elton John Diamonds and Rust: Joan Biaz Romeo and Juliet: Dire Straits Turn Your Light Down Low: Bob Marley Grapefruit Moon: Tom Waits Bumbo Klaat: Peter Tosh Flemenco Sketches: Miles Davis(If I was a song this is the song I would be) Sweetbird, The Song About the Midway, DITS, Urge for Going, LOTC:JONI!! Ok, I could go on :)) This is a great thread, it's so fun reading everyone's favorite!!! Erica _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:58:14 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Fw: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** >Ain't no Sunshine-Bill Withers Kasey, have you heard Eva Cassidy's version of *Ain't no Sunshine? It will blow you away! Get it...you will not be disappointed!! Bree >I'll Follow the Sun-Beatles >You Needed Me-Anne Murry >and the list goes on, and on, and on........... >Kasey >PS: I love Doris Day too:) > >Bette Midler-Do You Wanna Dance? > Do ya, do ya, do ya? > > >Maybe it is true what has been said. Lost in the 70's. lol > >MackGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:21:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** this isn't really about those songs i love but about songs i associate with driving... last year before the joni love fest at full moon, jeff i & went on a nostagic driving tour of all my childhood places in suburban/rural new jersey...i clearly remember some of the songs playing during that summer when i had my license & would drive my sis & bro to & from the the club we hung out at all summer... red rubber ball (cyrkle) & cherish (association) were the two that just started playing in my head as i drove past those familiar sites...that small window of time of transition from childhood to adulthood when i had lots of freedom & little responsibility...fond memories... & for some so called political content to tie it all together--for all you california voters, here's a great irony (based on what you know of my political views)...bill simon was one of the kids i used to hang out with back then at the club...i tell you it is weird to see his name & face plastered all over the place...well in my mind's eye he's still a teenager i played tennis with... >>Now Bob, I don't know if it has been done before but that would make a great thread. What was the first tune you heard when you made your first foray into the driving world?<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:17:13 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: alias/joni hello eagerly awaiting " travelouge " joniphiles !!! just wanted to pop on and post that last night on the television series " alias " they used " river ", in its entirety, as the background of a crucial scene. i hope all you folks are doing super fabulously well !!! i've been extremely busy of late and have not had any spare time to read or write posts. i miss you guys and hope to get a breather soon... jonily yours, warren keith p.s. sydney bristow rules !!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:26:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Judy Collins NJC "If I bought a property,I could save some in Federal taxes, but a lot of what I saved would be taken in property taxes and related assessments." that is the way to go alright...if you could manage it because you would saving in taxes & be able to invest that money in your property which as an investment would hopefully, (most likely) appreciate...getting the funds to afford the downpayment, aye there is the rub... npimh- its in the land scarlett... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:37:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: (just) "Walk Away Renee" NJC love love love that song * ditoo for pretty ballerina, in fact i could probably add those to some of my nostagic driving songs... have you heard rickie lee jones do walk away renee?...i love her version as well... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:48:16 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: Fw: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** Bree, I have heard it, I still like Bill Withers better. I think it has more to do with memories than talent though. I've thought of a few dozen more but I'll only list a few. Father and Son-Cat Stevens Peace Train-Cat Stevens Your Song-Elton John Ballad of Georgie-Rod Stewart Shape of the Heart-Jackson Brown American Pie-Don McLean Cherokee People-Paul Revere and the Raiders and on, and on.......... >Ain't no Sunshine-Bill Withers Kasey, have you heard Eva Cassidy's version of *Ain't no Sunshine? It will blow you away! Get it...you will not be disappointed!! Bree >I'll Follow the Sun-Beatles >You Needed Me-Anne Murry >and the list goes on, and on, and on........... >Kasey >PS: I love Doris Day too:) > >Bette Midler-Do You Wanna Dance? > Do ya, do ya, do ya? > > >Maybe it is true what has been said. Lost in the 70's. lol > >MackGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.aspGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:55:53 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** (vljc) What a great thread! It feels so refreshing amidst the election-tomorrow tension. I'm thoroughly enjoying reading the lists, and thinking oh yeah I really like that one, and hearing a bit of the music playing in my head. Ahhh! These are the songs I love to the point that not only can I do nothing other than listen when they're on, but know that if I put them on, I'll have to listen 5, 6 or more times in a row. Makes other people nuts (headphones are a great invention). Simon & Garfunkel - "Sounds of Silence" Blondie - "Heart of Glass" Lou Reed - "Walk on the Wild Side" Patti Smith - "Because the Night" Joni - "Amelia", "Stay in Touch" Lucinda - "Blue" Emmy Lou - "Michaelangelo" Richard Thompsons - "Shoot out the Lights", "Dimming of the Day/Dargai", "A Heart Needs a Home" Dave Matthews Band - "Seek Up" (the Luther College version) John Cale - his version of "Hallelujah" PJ Harvey - "This Mess We're In", "Good Fortune", "The Garden" Christine Collister - her version of "Full of Grace" Sloan Wainwright - "Unseen Guide" Nick Cave - "As I sat sadly by her side", "Into My Arms" Innocence Mission - "The Lakes of Canada" Patty Griffin - "Rain" Caroline Trettine - "Name of Life" Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter - live version of "Shotgun down the Avalanche" Dylan - "If you see her, say hello" Wonderful stuff... Debra Shea NP: Nick Cave's cd, No More Shall We Part ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:00:04 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Fw: those songs you really just **love** njc Debra, I agree. Every time I read someone's list, I think of more. Music, the universal party:) Kasey What a great thread! It feels so refreshing amidst the election-tomorrow tension. I'm thoroughly enjoying reading the lists, and thinking oh yeah I really like that one, and hearing a bit of the music playing in my head. Ahhh! Wonderful stuff... Debra Shea NP: Nick Cave's cd, No More Shall We PartGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:08:24 -0000 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: Travelogue in UK Good news, probably UK release date is November 25 but it is rather expensive and I doubt many places will be selling for under #20. Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:15:56 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: re: songs we love most This is a great thread. These are all 'goosebump' songs for me. (The best kind.) - - Amelia - Joni - especially the version on SAL, morphing through Pat's solo into Hejira _ If You See Her Say Hello - BD - One of the most seering vocal performances he's ever done - - Drive All Night - Bruce - On 'The River'. Epitomizes a dark night of the soul. - - God Only Knows - Beach Boys - Nuff said - - Heroes - Bowie - The version on the Bridge School Concert CD - - Powderfinger; Helpless; Country Girl; Cortez the Killer - Neil Young - - Landslide - Fleetwood Mac - Version on the live 'The Dance' CD - - The Lonely 1 - Wilco - Tweedy has a great knack to go straight to the heart sometimes - - Unfaithful Servant; It Makes No Difference - The Band - So moving - - Sweet Old World; Which Will - Lucinda Williams - Nick Drake wrote 'Which Will' -- just lovely - - Why - Annie Lennox - spookily intense - - Moonlight Mile - Rolling Stones - also spookily intense in a drugged-out way Enough for now. This is fun. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:28:05 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (brief clarification) dsk wrote: > > Brenda wrote: > > > > I apologize if you think or anyone else thinks I have misconstrued what you originally > > said. I was simply trying to take things one step further in light of the overall > > discussion. > > Oh, I see. Thanks for being so clear about it. I was so focused on the > "point", which I felt was not being heard, that I didn't pick up on the > invitation to continue on. Odd to correct one's own message, but looking at this I imagine the phrase "thanks for being so clear about it" could be seen as a sarcastic complaint referring to earlier messages. That's not what I had in mind, and a more precise way to get across what I was thinking is to say "Thanks for clearing that up." Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:48:14 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Joni music on Alias Am I the only TV junkie? Does anyone else watch that show "Alias"? (oh sorry, American TV I mean). Last night just before the end I heard the oh so familiar piano strains of Jingle Bells, and yes it was Joni's own lovely voice singing "River". They pretty much played the entire song, mostly underneath the dialogue, but the opening and close of the song in the foreground. It also reminded me of the "baby" discussion recently that Mags began. In the context of the dramatic action of the show, it was a father and daughter conflict (with a Christmas connection of course) - and the daughter (baby?) was the one in tears at the end. Life can be very strange, ya know? Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:11:54 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc tomorrow. Dear friend, On behalf of Shell, Mobil, and Exxon; Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, and GE; all the Enrons, Halliburtons, and Harkens; President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the other CEOs of the Cabinet; and thousands of us who are working for a better life for the wealthiest Americans, we have one simple request: Could you please just stay home tomorrow? See, we have things to do. Nations to invade. Wetlands to destroy. Oil to drill. Courts to pack. Corporate taxes to cut. What's frustrating for us is that we're coming up against some pretty stiff resistance. We've spent hundreds of millions of dollars to secure the Senate, but it looks like we just may lose it. Heck, we may even lose the House. We don't quite get what it is about our agenda that you people don't like, but it's clear that this time, you may be upset enough to actually do something about it. That's why we're writing this message to you today. Please don't vote. Ask your friends not to vote. What could the harm be in sitting this round out? If you could just stay home on Election Day, we can get back to the important business of running the nation for you, and we won't have to bother you again. Thank you, The Executive Committee Against Uppity Citizens ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:22:37 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: (NJC)Democrat voter registration drives--- business as usual read in your own scathingly brilliant style... Two democrat "get out the vote" operatives (let's call them Bill and Terry) are hard at work in the wee hours at the cemetary. Bill says "you go over there and check out those headstones and I'll get some names off of these over here." Some time later Terry calls back "Hey, this last one's a little hard to make out." Bill replies "Well, brush the dust off of it and give it another try." Minutes later Terry returns only to say he still can't decipher the name. "here take my flashlight and try again--it's a little brighter than yours," says Bill. Again Terry returns with the news that he just can't read that last name. Bill, a little angry now lays down the law. "Look, YOU GET BACK OVER THERE AND YOU GET THAT NAME!" THAT GUY HAS AS MUCH RIGHT TO VOTE AS ANYONE ELSE IN THIS CEMETARY!!" HAPPY VOTING EVERYONE!! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:31:44 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: (NJC) Repub vote thieves- business as usual Bree Mcdonough wrote: > read in your own scathingly brilliant style... > > Two democrat "get out the vote" operatives That reminds me of the thieving repub steal the vote operatives named George and Jeb... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:56:03 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc howling dogs, Left Banke, 8 Mile As probably no one of you all know, I have two Samoyed, dogs from northern Siberia, had Sams for 32 years now, and and Tommy and Tenoch like all Sams don't bark so much as they do howl. All this Walk Away Renee and Pretty Ballerina posting had me singing Left Banke songs in my best falsetto which no one but the dogs ever get to hear. And they love it! Every time I hit the high notes on "somewhere a mountain is moving..." they just howl away! We are having great fun! When we are not singing and howling, we have been listening to the 8 Mile soundtrack album - and wow, it is great! The third song on the cd, Eminem's title track for 8 Mile, is about as authentic Detroit longing as you can get. My sons were conceived and born in Detroit, my oldest is the same age as Em, the younger is a real Em fan, and that song resonates with the yearnings that I have heard a lot... it also has some wickedly funny lyrics. The Macy Gray track is also great, Boomkat (Taryn Manning) is a star that will emerge because of the soundtrack, Gangstarr's Battle is also quintessential Detroit, and the entire soundtrack cd is really a great piece of music, except for the opening track, which is Em's current single, Lose Yourself, which IMHO is one of Em's weaker efforts. But he more than makes up for it with Love Me, Rabbit Run (another great escape Detroit song) and 8 Mile. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:53:46 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: Re: Travelogue in UK Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. So 21 days to go and counting. Play.com sounds like a good buy from what you say here. Thanks again, Regards, Joe. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Pearson To: 'joe farrell' ; Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: RE: Travelogue in UK Good news, probably UK release date is November 25 but it is rather expensive and I doubt many places will be selling for under #20. Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:47:08 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Desert Island discs OK, I'm a bloke, how can I resist this game?? I'll just have one from each artiste, otherwise I'll be here all night. In no particular order: Fairport Convention - Who knows where the time goes? Nick Drake - Northern Sky Jeff Buckley - Grace Jackie Leven - Snow In Central Park Annabel Lamb - Ain't No Going Back Joni - Hejira Bowie - Stay Richard Thompson - Woods of Darney Crowded House - Catherine Wheels Laura Nyro - Poverty Train Til Tuesday - Coming Up Close Joy Askew - Cool Water Jimi Hendrix - All Along The Watchtower Robert Cray - The Last Time (I Get Burned Like This) Shawn Colvin - The Facts About Jimmy Carmel - If You Don't Come Back Jane Siberry - Oh My My Christine Collister - Quiet Nick Cave - Into My Arms David Baerwald - Hello Mary Kate Bush - The Sensual World (now playing - sheer orgasmic perfection) Sally Barker - Chains Pooka - This River PJ Harvey - We Float Patti Smith - Dancing Barefoot U2 - One SOMEBODY STOP ME!!! Azeem in London NP: Kate Bush (still) "MMMH Yes! And his spark took life in my hand. MMMH Yes, I said" - wonder what that's about, then... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:45:21 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** Dunno if it was my *first driving song but the one that still evokes early driving memories is Marvin Gaye's "What's Goin' On" from 1932. I heard it on the crystal set as I was cranking over my very first Model A. "Brother, braaa-ther. We don't need to..... es-ca-late. War is not the an- saa-ah. For only laaa-ve can con-ka hai-te. Ah-hAAAA You know we've got ta find a way..... to bring some [lovin'] (unda-standin') [here today.] (hee-ah ta-day, ohhh.)" I will never forget the way they sang two sets of words right there. I knew it was a 'mistake' but to me it was electrifying. Lama In a message dated 11/3/02 8:13:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: > What was the first tune you heard when you made your first foray > into the driving world? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:18:40 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) On 4 Nov 2002 at 13:24, dsk wrote: > > Yes, but surely you'd agree that they use taxation in different ways. > The goals are the same -- raise enough revenue and while doing it > offend as few of the citizens as possible -- but it's not by accident > that Republicans usually want less capital gains tax and Democrats > usually want less tax on the lower and middle income groups. This is where you lose me. I don't see any evidence that the there has ever been appreciably lower taxes for all but the lowest income group. Looking back at the those CBO numbers the tax rate, most of the lower and middle income groups have remained nearly flat. So I don't buy into the Democrats' commitment to less tax on those groups. However we can agree that Democrats want the highest group to pay a higher percentage than everyone else. The numbers certainly reflect that when you look at who was in office and what the rates were during those years > So I'm curious now about what > you see as the similarities people can focus on in order to come > together and make some changes. > Well, this will call for quite an exposition. Off the top of my head, I will start with * Concern for quality education of U.S. children * Affordable health care * Retirement security * Confidence in our safety and security as we go about our daily lives I've got a busy week so give me a few of days to expound. : ) If that exposition should move to the PC list, someone holler. B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:27:40 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** (njc Brenda wrote: Sarah Vaughan - "You Are Too Beautiful" Brenda, I have read your posts about Sarah more than once and thus want some advice from you. I remember seeing her for the first time, probably 15-20 years ago now, on some awards show, back when I still watched them. I had heard of her but that was the extent of my knowledge about her at that time. On this program, she had a handkerchief and was wiping the sweat from her brow as she sang. I don't remember the song but it was something deep, touching, and she wrung the emotion from it and gave it to me through the t.v. screen. All I could think was "damn, she is good." I then went out and bought a couple of her albums but they weren't like the Sarah on the t.v. The tunes she did on these albums were sweet, pretty songs. I wanted the gritty, real songs by Sarah Vaughn. I know there must be some. Help. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:27:04 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) In a message dated 11/4/02 9:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, music@soulstreet.net writes: > If that exposition should move to the PC list, someone holler. > > HOLLER!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:32:58 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes...moving to PC NJC On 4 Nov 2002 at 21:27, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/4/02 9:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > music@soulstreet.net writes: > > > If that exposition should move to the PC list, someone holler. > > > > > > HOLLER!!!! Respect. My future posts on the subject will move to that list. B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:38:34 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** (vljc) > k.d. lang - "My Old Addiction" I almost put that one on my list but decided I should stop before people fell asleep at their keyboards. What an incredible song and what an incredible cover! I felt bad that I didn't include a k. d. song. I think she has one of the finest and most incredible voices in the business today. > Irene Kral - "Where Is Love" I became interested in Irene Kral after buying the 'Bridges of Madison County' soundtrack. I bought a couple of her cds (there aren't many available the last time I checked) and was a little disappointed. Is there a particular one you would recommend? > John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman - "My One and Only Love" When is Johnny Hartman going to get the recognition he deserves? What a gorgeous, deep, velvety, resonous voice that man had! And that record with Coltrane is a classic! Really nice choice. Another 'BOMC' soundtrack discovery for me. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #461 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)