From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #459 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 459 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Set it off njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes NJC A tax break... ["Brenda" ] NJC Most recent album purchases [vince ] NJC: Rachel Z tribute ["McKenna-Smith" ] Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** ["mack watson-bush" ] Travelogue media player ["Brenda" ] Re: those songs you really just **love** ["mack watson-bush" ] Re:Tori/Gonna Take a Miracle ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: those songs you really just **love** ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: U.S. Politics/Judy Collins NJC ["kakki" ] Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) ["Brenda" ] Re: Bob Dylan (and Bryan Thomas?), 1% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Travelogue, 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] (just) "Walk Away Renee" NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: (just) "Walk Away Renee" NJC [vince ] Re: (just) "Covers project, Left Banke" NJC [vince ] Re: those songs you really just **love** ["Mark or Travis" Subject: Set it off njc I asked this question a short while ago but no one answered. During that same two or three day period, however; had two friends tell me that they didn't get emails that I sent them on the same day so I am going to try again. I also thought that Brenda will surely know as she seems to know most of this kind of thing and always seems to have the answers. I bought the soundtrack but the tune that I want wasn't on it and I cannot read the credits after the movie. They are too fuzzy. Who is singing the tune during the scene where Cleo gets murdered? And what is the tune? Can there be a more beautiful woman than Jada Pinkett? Mack np-Bee Gees ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:46:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** In a message dated 11/3/2002 7:31:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: > Bette Midler-Do You Wanna Dance? > What a great cover...as much as I love the Bobby Freeman poppy original, Bette's take is just breathtaking - I love it when someone makes a famous song their own with this kind of unique treatment. Reminds me of when Neil Sedaka remade his own hit "Breakin' Up Is Hard To Do" as a torch. And if you're gonna get lost, you could do worse than the 70's! :~) Bob, not lost there but for sure still diggin' em! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:47 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes NJC A tax break... On 3 Nov 2002 at 17:10, dsk wrote: > A Tax Break for the Rich Who Can Keep a Secret > > Some years ago the exchange funds came to the attention of > Representative Richard E. Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat. > He introduced legislation to stop them. But the legislation > never went anywhere. > > Eaton Vance, in a report to Mr. Neal last year, said its > exchange funds "are not tax shelters" and "benefit our > markets and our society" because they provide "risk > reduction that otherwise would not be achieved." > ... > No one knows how much exchange funds cost the government in > taxes because no official study of their costs has been > made. But the Eaton Vance and Goldman Sachs exchange funds > alone represent as much as $3.6 billion of deferred capital > gains taxes at current rates. > > The Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, without any > supporting data, has written Mr. Neal to say that no > revenue would be raised by closing exchange funds because > "the class of investors engaging in swap funds" would find > other ways to avoid the tax. > > Mr. Neal said he pressed Mark A. Weinberger, who until > recently was the chief tax policy official at the Treasury > Department, about why the Bush administration would not > shut down exchange funds as loopholes, which the > administration had said it opposed on principle. > > Mr. Weinberger, the congressman said, replied that the Bush > administration "is not for or against swap funds, but we > are against taxes on capital gains in general and so we > will not take any action against the funds." > > Mr. Weinberger, who has returned to the Ernst & Young > accounting firm, and is now its vice chairman, said that he > recalled making much less-definitive remarks, but did > confirm that he said that the administration had not > developed a position on exchange funds. > > A Treasury spokeswoman, Tara Bradshaw, said the Bush > administration was not currently considering any action on > exchange funds and therefore had no policy position on > them. > ****** In all fairness, exchange funds have been around for quite some time and there were some issues regarding them which were addressed in the 1997 Taxpayer Relief Act. So my question is what was the Clinton administration position on them? Any thoughts as to why he didn't support Neal and take some action to end the loophole? Here are a couple of other bits on exchange funds: http://www.financial-planning.com/pubs/fpi/20020913100.html http://www.financial-planning.com/wwwboard8/messages/4843.html Brenda - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:50:24 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Set it off njc On 3 Nov 2002 at 18:48, mack watson-bush wrote: > I asked this question a short while ago but no one answered. During > that same two or three day period, however; had two friends tell me > that they didn't get emails that I sent them on the same day so I am > going to try again. I also thought that Brenda will surely know as > she seems to know most of this kind of thing and always seems to have > the answers. I bought the soundtrack but the tune that I want wasn't > on it and I cannot read the credits after the movie. They are too > fuzzy. Who is singing the tune during the scene where Cleo gets > murdered? And what is the tune? I'm afraid I don't know. In fact, I've been checking the listings to see when this movie is on again so I can watch for that scene and tell you the answer! I saw the film years ago and I remember the scene vividly but I was so caught up in the action that I didn't mind what the song was. Can there be a more beautiful woman > than Jada Pinkett? > Nia Long! B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:54:00 -0500 From: vince Subject: NJC Most recent album purchases We haven't done this for a while and I was just looking over my most recent cd purchases and kind of surprised myself. Vince Eminem, Eminem Show (I originally bought this last May but had to get a archive copy for when my original wears out) 8 Mile Sound track - Em's new movie, opens Friday, and I cannot wait Ludacris, Word of Mouf Xzibit, Man vs Machine ok, i saw both Ludacris and Xzibit on Em's tour, and liked them both D12, posse (back up group) for you know who Nirvana, the new one with no name, just to prove that I could buy something not rap I suppose next I will be buying some DMC stuff in memory of Jam Master. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:58:44 -0800 From: "McKenna-Smith" Subject: NJC: Rachel Z tribute Forgive me if this has already been discussed ad nauseum, but wanted to bring up Rachel Z, who is handling the keyboard duties for the Peter Gabriel tour. She's a huge Joni fan, and has done a tribute CD. She's a killer player, has done a huge amount of jazz stuff, including solo CDs. Her last one was a tribute to Wayne Shorter, and now she's released a collection of inspired jazz interpretations of Joni Mitchell tunes. Her latest is called "Moon at the Window" (Tone Center 4024), and the Wayne Shorter tribute is "On The Milky Way Express" (TC 4011). Rachel says, "Joni is an artist whose song poems have been a life guide which helped me grow up and accept the duality of life. She9s a great artist and storyteller." For Moon at the Window Rachel9s trio features Montreal-based bassist Patricia Des Lauriers and up-and-coming New York-based drummer Bobbie Rae. Rachel is in rehearsal with Peter Gabriel for a 20+ city North American tour starting in November. "Peter Gabriel is also one of my major influences and the only person for whom I would take a break from my solo career" says Z. See her on the Peter Gabriel - Growing Up Live tour. I encourage you to check out her solo stuff. Her website is http://www.rachelz.com For the CD, press materials, and interviews with Rachel Z, please contact Michael Bloom Media Relations, 310.314.6342, or musicpr@earthlink.net ~ malcolm ********************************* Malcolm Smith Progressive Rock From Metaphor malcolm@metaphor.org www.metaphor.org ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:05:22 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** Bob wrote: Reminds me of when Neil Sedaka remade his own hit "Breakin' Up Is Hard To Do" as a torch. Believe it or not Bob I was going to write this one down for I adored it, yes, loved it. Why didn't I? I got a lot of flak for liking Neil back then and figured I would get made fun of for posting it. As for love for Neil's tunes, how about "laughter in the rain?" mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:09:29 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Set it off njc Well Brenda, if you don't know then I will wait for you to find out, as you surely will. That tune is so haunting, so gorgeous, so poignant, as is the flick for that matter. Thanks for responding. Have learned my lesson about getting involved in political posts but have enjoyed yours much. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:05:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** In a message dated 11/3/2002 7:59:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: > As for love for Neil's tunes, > how about "laughter in the rain?" > Yes! Another gem!! And it holds a special place in my heart because it was one of the first songs I heard on the radio when I got my driver's license and went driving alone for the first time. Matter of fact, the FIRST song I heard when I got behind the wheel was Barry White & The Love Unlimited Orchestra, "Love's Theme" which I also hold very near & dear. Bob NPIHM, "Ooooooh, I hear laughter in the rain, walking hand in hand with the one I love..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:19:10 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** Now Bob, I don't know if it has been done before but that would make a great thread. What was the first tune you heard when you made your first foray into the driving world? My first was the tune 'how do you do?' by Mouth and McNeal. I liked it though it seems kind of silly now. I am not even sure that I got the name of the group right. One hit wonders. We were hoeing cotton, summers before and after, during that summer and my dad let me drive on the country roads. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:36:15 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** In a message dated 11/3/02 8:13:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: > What was the first tune you heard when you made your first foray > into the driving world? Mine was definitely Sugarloaf's "Green Eyed Lady". Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:57:20 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: those songs you really just **love** Ron wrote: >what about those songs you just absolutely love & adore... the ones >that sound like an old friend,, that cause that sudden rush of pleasure >when they start,, that have you cranking up the volume, and hitting the >repeat button. >the songs that feel like coming home Great thread! This may be weird, but the first song that came to mind was the theme from the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Every time I hear it, I get all warm and fuzzy inside! Here's my eclectic list: A Case of You - Since the trend has been to slow it down, whether it's Joni (on BSN), Bryan Thomas or Diana Krall, it just blows me away Fire & Rain - James Taylor Landslide - Stevie Nicks Ghost - Indigo Girls - beautifully written lyrics and melody Into the Mystic - Van Morrison Pride (In the Name of Love) - U2 All Along the Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix or Neil Young Superstar - Carpenters - Karen's voice just grabs me right from the start....."Long ago and oh so far away......" Secret Love - Doris Day (sorry Hell!) Kerry NP - Willy Porter - Dandelion on the Minefield ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:57:42 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Travelogue media player So I hear that the player is supposed to be live on Tuesday. It should be on the Nonesuch site. I also hear that the player will be a track a day, BUT only for that day and then it will be gone the next day (go figure!). More as I get it tomorrow... Brenda n.p.: Broun Fellinis - "Black Grapes" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:18:57 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** Kerry wrote: the theme from > the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Every time I hear it, I get all warm and fuzzy > inside! Me too. Mary, the all american girl. who wouldn't want to be mary's friend? Superstar - Carpenters - Karen's voice just grabs me right from the > start....."Long ago and oh so far away......" Oh yes Kerry. Karen, karen, karen. Secret Love - Doris Day (sorry Hell!) I love this tune too. Doris can do it baby. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:34:31 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (long) Brenda wrote: > > I think you should take a look at the methodology as it may address these issues to > an extent you might find useful. I did look at the methodology and still say that they're talking about the group, and what individuals do may vary from those general numbers. > Being done more by whom and where did you read it? It seems like people at all > income levels find ways to avoid reporting income. It's just the amounts that they > hide (and the way that they hide it) may be different. By people in businesses, especially private practices, that bring in a lot of cash. I first read of it in a NYTimes article, which mentioned that the scheme is especially appealing to lawyers and doctors. I did not get the impression that ONLY lawyers and doctors were involved. After that I heard about it elsewhere, although I can't recall exactly where since I wasn't shocked anymore by the idea. There is also some talk about having Committee hearings about it in Congress because the practice is becoming so widespread (and I probably read that in the NYTimes also). At this point, there's nothing illegal about it, just as there was nothing illegal about any of the other things I mentioned. Whether it's ethical is another question. And, yes, people at all income levels try to avoid reporting income. However, when taxes from a worker's paycheck are sent directly to the government, and that work is the only money coming in for that person (which is often the case for middle-class workers), it's harder to hide any income. The wealthy have much more flexibility, and perhaps lower-income earners do, too, if they deal mostly with cash. > Here's a question - are all of these things attributable to law that was enacted by a > Republican administration or a majority Republican Congress? I'd imagine it would > take someone who knows the tax code and it's evolution to answer that, but I have a > suspicion the answer wouldn't be so simple. No, it's not that simple. Did I say those tax breaks were all Republican initiatives? I don't think so. All I have said with any certainty is that the death tax is not what it's being touted as in order to get votes. > ... anyone, no matter how much money > they have, can buy tax-free bonds, setup a trust, give to charity and invest in failing > businesses. Yes, although it's highly unlikely that anyone living paycheck to paycheck will be taking advantage of those. It's also unlikely they will be taking advantage of the repeal of the death tax, no matter what the Republicans are saying. > If you don't mind my asking - what do you base this belief on? I'm not asking that > you know the exact percentage, but your original statement was a fairly broad claim: > that it is a "much smaller percentage." Which makes me wonder - is this just your > gut or did you somewhere along the way read something that had a verifiable basis > for the claim? And if you won't believe the CBO, what will you believe? I believe that the CBO bases their analyses on what people let them know, and as far as that goes, they're accurate. Just the two schemes I know of that the very wealthy can take advantage of is enough to give me the impression that the number the CBO comes up with is probably not the whole story. Since both those schemes were a surprise to me, there are probably many other schemes for hiding money that I can't even begin to imagine. So, it's a gut thing, and one I wouldn't even be arguing about if the death tax and the way it's being used in campaigns had not come up. I never said that only Republicans come up with tax-saving schemes or that only Republicans can and do take advantage of them. > BTW - I'm not interested in any bashing of either side; I just don't think that it's so > easy to say that one side is responsible when both sides have actively participated in > creating the system with which we live. I don't believe I've said that the Republicans are solely responsible for the current tax system, although it's apparently the way my posts have across to you, and perhaps my pro-Democratic bias is showing itself more clearly than I realize. At this point, my head is spinning about all this stuff. Since you keep misconstruing (from my point of view) what I originally said, your pro-Republican bias seems pretty healthy, too. I'm not complaining about that and think it's good always to try to see another view. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:36:59 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re:Tori/Gonna Take a Miracle I just need to say that I just bought, "Gonna Take a Miracle" by Larua Nyro and Labelle and have to say that it is fantastic. The music is uplifting and it caresses and entices the listener. I got the new remastered version with the extra live tracks, "Up on the Roof" being one of them (I had said a few weeks earlier that her version of this song was a new favorite). So, I can imagine this album will be on repeat for a long while as well as NEw York Tendaberry. Also about Roberta Flack, her second album, "Chapter Two" was my soul mate two years ago. I need to buy that on cd, for i have only the record and that album would be on my record player EVER night at bedtime, it was like a drug, I couldn't get enough of it. "Do what You gotta DO" has to be the best track on the album or maybe that is tied with the cover of Buffy Sainte Marie's "Until it's time for you to go". I was thinking about getting The new Tori. I had her first four albums.. LOVED* the Third one most of all and i had borrowed the live/studio ablum. The live album was great but I found the studio album to be really poor in comparison to really good Tori songs/work of the past. So, who knows.. I downloaded, one of the new songs to see if it is worth a purchase. ANy Suggestions? Blair "I met him on a Sunday Morning" -Laura Nyro and Labelle _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:44:07 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** Songs that I could play over and over: "Up on the Roof"--Laura Nyro "DO what you gotta Do"-Roberta Flack "O-O-H Child" Nina Simone "Young Gifted, and Black"-NIna Simone "Oh Me oh MY"-Aretha Franklin "SaD Jane"--Frank Zappa "YOu are the Everyting"--R.E.M. "Cotton Avenue"--JONI "Last Year's Man"--Leonard Cohen "Freddie Freeloader"-Miles Davis "Welcome"-JOhn Coltrane I could go on for ever, but i am sure all of you could too. Blair _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:46:22 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes NJC A tax break... Brenda wrote: > > In all fairness, exchange funds have been around for quite some time and there > were some issues regarding them which were addressed in the 1997 Taxpayer > Relief Act. So my question is what was the Clinton administration position on them? > Any thoughts as to why he didn't support Neal and take some action to end the > loophole? Again, my post was not to argue that only the Republicans give tax breaks to the wealthy. As far as the exchange funds go, the amount of wealth needed in order to take advantage of them was raised in 1997 along with other changes, and yes they have been around a long time. From my point of view it seems unfair that so few people have such an advantage. And Clinton was very pro-business. Only he knows how much of what was enacted reflected his beliefs and how much was the pressure of the Republican majority in Congress. For whatever reason, he caved. Why do you think so many Democrats were so disappointed in him? It wasn't just because of the sex stuff. So if you think I'm going to say that Clinton was an old fashioned, liberal thinking, anti-business Democrat, you're mistaken. My only purpose in all that I wrote was to point out that the general and always used Republican promise to lower taxes for everyone is not always what happens, and definitely not where the death tax is concerned, even though they're still using that myth in order to get votes. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:38:02 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Judy Collins NJC On a roughly comparable dollar to pound ratio, I pay about the same approximate 40% percentage out of my paycheck directly for Federal, State, SS and other taxes. That's before the additional 10% sales tax I pay on nearly everything, the 40% sin taxes on some items and on gasoline, the taxes and fees on my phone, cable and utility bills, etc. There are no tax breaks or write-offs I can take to reduce my taxes. If I bought a property, I could save some in Federal taxes, but a lot of what I saved would be taken in property taxes and related assessments. Kakki > re tax: i was working out our finances the other day(john's salary mainly!) > and worked out he pays 20,000 pounds per year in taxes! Out of 54,000 > salary. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:56:30 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (getting shorter) On 3 Nov 2002 at 21:34, dsk wrote: > > I don't believe I've said that the Republicans are solely responsible > for the current tax system, although it's apparently the way my posts > have across to you, and perhaps my pro-Democratic bias is showing > itself more clearly than I realize. At this point, my head is spinning > about all this stuff. Since you keep misconstruing (from my point of > view) what I originally said, your pro-Republican bias seems pretty > healthy, too. I'm not complaining about that and think it's good > always to try to see another view. > I apologize if you think or anyone else thinks I have misconstrued what you originally said. I was simply trying to take things one step further in light of the overall discussion. It's not that I think you said that the Republicans are solely responsible for the current tax system. I wasn't pointing to those things in order to refute that as some kind of "construed" point, but to say that although "lower taxes" is a part of the Republican platform (words) both parties use taxes to their benefit in terms of licking the hands that feed them (action). It's the reason why I believe you won't see a serious Democratic effort to remove any significant bit of the tax code that gives people the tax breaks you're referring to (again, the exchange funds are another matter). I don't think you've shown a pro-Democratic bias, but an anti-Republican one. And I'm not really interested in countering that with a pro-Republican bias, so much as I am striving to bring things back to the middle. I don't actually think that I have a pro-Republican bias. If you look back at most of my posts on this topic and others, I think you will find a common thread - I believe the parties are very similar on a few issues when it comes to their actions and the end result. And that the only way we, as Americans can change the result is to find the things we have in common, no matter what our party affiliation or political bent. Brenda - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:00:49 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: U.S. Politics/Taxes... NJC (very short) On 3 Nov 2002 at 21:34, dsk wrote: > > So, it's a gut thing, and one I wouldn't even be arguing about if the > death tax and the way it's being used in campaigns had not come up. I meant to ask this before....where do you live? I'm in southern California and I've heard no mention of the estate tax in races out here. Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:20:36 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: environmental issues njc Vince asked: > Are the problems which you are seeing in environmental law the problems of > those who desire the protection of the environment period, or, the often > unhelpful nightmare of regulations and compliance documents that arise in many > places in the bureaucracies, or other factors? Concern for the environment has always been a top issue for me. The problem is, like most anything else that may start out with good intentions, it has often descended into the ridiculous, is often only about money (cottage industries and foundations who benefit the most), results in redundancy of multiple agencies at Federal, State and local levels, which results in bureaucratic gridlock. What poses for concern for the environment is quite often more about "not in my back yard"/"don't do anything that will make my property values go down" which results in "let's keep spending millions on multiple EIR reports until we can find an endangered species so we can block construction/development" or "let's get the state to buy off the developer's property so we can keep our open spaces preserved" or "let's support more and more stringent environmental laws because my law firm, environmental consultant company, etc. will make a fortune off them the rest of our lives." You wouldn't believe the situations I have witnessed personally. You cannot conceive the waste of tax dollars as a result. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:16:28 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Bob Dylan (and Bryan Thomas?), 1% JC Bobby doing covers????? What the hell? LOL! This is pretty surprising to me. I guess the ol' boy has a few tricks up his sleeves yet. Okay, Merk, you've convinced me to seek him out. I am one of 27 people on the planet who thought that the "Slow Train Comin" disc had tons of good ideas on it so it's good to hear he's revisiting that collection. To me, Bobby is the only lyricist of my generation in Joni's league (and vice versa). This is good news. Lama np: Bryan Thomas'es song, "Now". Check out this sample: " 3 AM no sirens scream just blue and red lights like 3-D glasses cellophane and no police sirens scream just the sound of little boy heart-beat and beating " I have no idea what this means to Bryan but, man, do I ever get a movies in my own head. He puts just enough paint on the canvas to get you started then stands back...... Merk said, >>>>>His set list is pretty much top drawer from start to finish, and covers the gambit from a strikingly beautiful acoustic version of Masters of War, to a rambunctious cover of Brown Sugar. His version of Niel Young's Old Man was a revelation, and coming from someone of Bob's age, it put a new twist on the song - instead of plea to the Old Man to recall what he was like in his youth, it had the air of a confessional, that even though he couldn't relate to his Old Man while growing up, now that he is there himself, he isn't all that different. "Old Man take a look at my life, I'm a lot like you". Definite goose bump material. As a man in upper 40's who never got along with his father, this definitely hit home.>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:20:10 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Everybody I love, njc] Thanks David. I *knew* I heard that somwhere before..... Like half-remembered nights in Nawlins that everyone recalls differently. :| (Sly, sad, half-grin.) Lama now playing: "Ones And Zeros" by that kid from Scennectady. After loaning it out, it's now back home again. David Sadowski said, >Everybody I Love you is on Deja Vu by CSNY. Lama said, >>I was thinking it was Stephen Stills voice doing counterpoint on top of Neil Young song. (the Stills-Young Band?) Kakki will know. Marcel would know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:36:11 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Ones And Zeros", njc I forgot. As self-appointed cheerleader for the Bryan Thomas Band, I have neglected my duty. The disc of which I spoke, "Ones and Zeros" is available at www.cdbaby.com . The artist is "Bryan Thomas". Lama "You're like my *mother* or something." Bryan Thomas at JoniFest 2002. Another sample lyric: " they say ya ain't black enough they say ya ain't white enough they don't know jennifer how do thomas jefferson want his black girls? how do uncle tom want his black girls? what do they know? thomas j, uncle sam, jagger ain't got the jam what do they know? you think you're too big for schenectady? you ain't big enough You think you're too big for schenectady. You think you're too big for schenectady. " Okay, so I changed a couple of words. It rocks. It stomps. It spins and stops....... It's slightly kinky but please don't call it "funk" or I'll snap a ruler down on your knuckles. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:39:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Travelogue, 100% JC Thanks, Gerald. It's cool to get the advance word. Shout it from the rooftops. Let's push some digits. Jerry Notaro said, in entirety: "------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 14:04:17 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Travelogue Merk54@aol.com wrote: > Jerry, > > Can you give us a little more details? Is it entirely like BSN, or does she > get a little more experimental with the orchestra? Any stand out cuts from > your perspective? > > While I like BSN, I will be a little disappointed if she didn't kick it up a > notch with this one. No notch has been kicked up. In fact, there is a sameness to all the tracks. The orchestra boxes her in, too confining, it does not free her. When Joni is in control of her accompanying music, there is magic between her two instruments. But that is just my opinion. On the plus side, there is Joni singing her songs, and the recording is engineered beyond perfection. Audiophiles, take note. There is a sure Grammy nomination for the recording. Hits: You Dream Flat Tires Judgement of the Moon and Stars For the Roses Sex Kills Refuge of the Roads Borderline Circle Game Dawntreader The Last Time I Saw Richard Near Hits: Love Sire of Sorrow Trouble Child Hejira Chinese Cafe/ Unchained Melody Misses: Otis and Marlena God Must Be a Boogie Man Be Cool Just Like This Train Cherokee Louise Borderline Big Misses: Amelia Woodstock Slouching Towards Bethlehem Again, I am only giving my opinion in comparison to Joni's original recordings and subsequent performances of these songs. - ------------------------------" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:56:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: (just) "Walk Away Renee" NJC Oh, my. I remembered how I liked that song and thought it was beautiful and sad when it was on the radio back in the day. About 2 years ago, when I was in a 45rpm specialty shop, I searched it out, bought it, put it on the big stereo, turned it up, and sat in the sweet spot. I was sobbing within 2 minutes. Two weeks later, I tried it again. Same thing. Perfect for a funeral I guess but it's too powerful for normal use. Don't put it on in front of co-workers. If anyone wants to "try it to see what it's like", be sure to lock up the handguns, the razor blades, and the Jack Daniels first. Not for amateurs. It's a 'mainline to his blues' as the Canuck once put it. I'm not going *there* tonight, that's for sure. Lama Bob (SCJoniGuy) Muller said, The Left Banke - Walk Away Renee: A perfect bittersweet pop song, even when I was a wee lad listening to the radio this song moved me in inexplicable ways. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:13:10 -0500 From: vince Subject: (just) "Pretty Ballerina" NJC Walk away renee has that much effect on you? Some songs do that. Of the great Left Banke oeuvre, it would be Pretty Ballerina for me. No idea why, but I can still remember every word of the lyrics. Thanks to the internet, you can't hear me sing along... Vince THE LEFT BANKE Pretty Ballerina (Brown) I had a date with a pretty ballerina Her hair so brilliant that it hurt my eyes I asked her for this dance and then she obliged me Was I surprised, yeah Was I surprised, no not at all I called her yesterday, it should have been tomorrow I could not keep the joy that was inside I begged for her to tell me if she really loved me Somewhere a mountain is moving Afraid it's moving without me I had a date with a pretty ballerina Her hair so brilliant that it hurt my eyes I asked her for this dance and then she obliged me Was I surprised, yeah Was I surprised, no not at all And when I wake on a dreary Sunday morning I opened up my eyes to find there's rain And something strange within said, "go ahead and find her Just close your eyes, yeah Just close your eyes and she'll be there" She'll be there... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:17:45 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: (just) "Walk Away Renee" NJC looked up the words to Walk Away Renee which I do not remember word for word and found this: http://www.tsimon.com/renee.htm Violinist Harry Lookofsky owned a small storefront recording studio in New York City that he called World United Studios. In 1965, he gave a set of keys to his 16-year-old son, Mike Brown [real name: Mike Lookofsky], who helped out by cleaning up and occasionally sitting in as a session pianist. Mike began bringing in his teenage friends who tinkered with drums, guitars, amplifiers, the Steinway piano, and anything else they might find. Except for Mike, who had a background in classical piano, none of them were top musicians. But they could sing, especially one guy named Steve Martin. By 1966 they started to call themselves the Left Banke. In addition to Mike and Steve, they included Rick Brand on lead guitar, Tom Finn on bass, and drummer George Cameron. Finn brought his girlfriend to the studio one day when the group had assembled for a practice session. She was a 5' 6" teenager with platinum blond hair. Mike Brown was infatuated with her the instant he saw her. Her name was Renee Fladen. The group had begun recording songs, and Harry was particularly impressed with Steve Martin's voice. Mike wrote a song about Renee. Although there was never anything between the two, Mike was fascinated by her and pictured himself standing at the corner of Hampton and Falmouth Avenues in Brooklyn with Renee, beneath the "One Way" sign. In his fantasy, he was telling her to walk away. Harry played all the string parts on the Left Banke record Walk Away Renee. With Mike on the harpsichord and Steve Martin's strong vocal performance, the song was a good one with a different type of sound to it. It came to be known as baroque rock, a style of music that included songs such as the Yardbirds' For Your Love. Harry took the song to ten different record companies before Smash Records picked it up. It entered the pop charts in the Fall of 1966 and remained there for ten weeks, peaking at number five. Early the next year the Left Banke followed up with another song written by Mike Brown called Pretty Ballerina, and it reached number fifteen. They tried some other recordings without much success and Mike left the group a short time later. He stayed in the music business for a number of years. The Left Banke tried to carry on but didn't last long without its principal songwriter; they did, however, re-group for one more song in 1980. Brown is regarded by some as overrated and unpredictable, and by others as a musical genius. His reputation is based primarily on the tremendous success of Walk Away Renee, a song he wrote as a teenager. The Four Tops successfully covered Walk Away Renee in 1968 and had a number fourteen hit with it. As for Renee, she moved to Boston with her family shortly after the Left Banke recorded Walk Away Renee, and no one in the group ever saw her again. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:24:34 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: (just) "Covers project, Left Banke" NJC damn, Bob, they do covers projects for the Left Banke too! and vote on them! and who knew Rickie Lee Jones ever covered Walk Away Renee? (there will probably) be 15 posts telling me it was on their favorite RLJ album, sorry I didn't knew!) http://covers.wiw.org/artist.php/1772 Songs by this artist that have been covered: Desiree covered by Tahiti 80 [vote] Pretty Ballerina covered by Bluetones [vote] 1 agree, 0 don't. Pretty Ballerina covered by Dickies [vote] Pretty Ballerina covered by Dickies [vote] Pretty Ballerina ? covered by Scarlet Letter [vote] Pretty Ballerina covered by Jason Falkner [vote] 2 agree, 0 don't. Pretty Ballerina ? covered by john mellancamp [vote] 1 agree, 0 don't. Pretty Ballerina ? covered by John Mellencamp [vote] She May Call You Up Tonight covered by Richard Thompson [vote] 1 agree, 0 don't. She May Call You Up Tonight ? covered by Richard Thompson [vote] Walk Away Rene covered by Southside Johnny [vote] 2 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Rene covered by Tommy Elskes [vote] Walk Away Renee ? covered by O Positive [vote] Walk Away Renee ? covered by Elliott Smith [vote] 2 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Renee ? covered by Four Tops [vote] 5 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Renee ? covered by Rickie Lee Jones [vote] 1 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Renee ? covered by Ida [vote] 2 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Renee covered by Vonda Shepard [vote] 1 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Renee covered by Terry Reid [vote] 1 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Renee ? covered by Billy Bragg [vote] Walk Away Renee covered by Marshall Crenshaw [vote] 1 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Renee covered by Cowsills, The [vote] 1 agree, 0 don't. Walk Away Renee covered by Kerry Getz [vote] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:45:53 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** (vljc) On 3 Nov 2002 at 19:57, kerry wrote: > This may be weird, but the first song that came to mind was the theme > from the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Every time I hear it, I get all warm > and fuzzy inside! > I have a TV song on my list as well - Jose Feliciano's "Chico and the Man" and the rest in no particular order: Hall & Oates - "She's Gone" k.d. lang - "My Old Addiction" Radiohead - "Just" Cream - "Sunshine of Your Love Zero 7 - "Destiny" De La Soul - "Me, Myself and I" Sarah Vaughan - "You Are Too Beautiful" Irene Kral - "Where Is Love" Todd Rundgren - "Fade Away" Wynonna - "Only Love" The Isley Brothers - "Harvest for the World" Lalah Hathaway - "I'm Coming Back" Stevie Wonder - "Golden Lady" Kenny Loggins - "Will It Last" John Coltrane - "Everytime We Say Goodbye" John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman - "My One and Only Love" The Black Crowes - "Thorn In My Pride" Joni - "Hejira" ... This is a great question....I could go on and on. Music sure is grand. Brenda - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:48:11 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love** >Phoebe Snow-Poetry Man So sweet, so 70's. Wistful > longings at the time for that poetry man. Nice choices hon! Oh...I can get teary eyed when I hear Aja..Steely Dan. Little Green... because I feel for Joni so much. Diana Krall...I've got you under my skin. Yesterday...THE BEATLES... Wicked Games...Chris Isakk (sp?) OH.....All By Myself...Eric Carmen..(Loved his looks... such a cutie) Bree >Bette Midler-Do You Wanna Dance? > Do ya, do ya, do ya? >Maybe it is true what has been said. Lost in the 70's. lol > >Mack _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 02:01:16 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: (just) "Walk Away Renee" NJC As Kasey Kasem used to say..... "There's a FAS-cinating story behind that song. And we'll get to it... ...................... in just a minute." Lama (Thanks, Vince) By 1966 they started to call themselves the Left Banke. In addition to > Mike and Steve, they included Rick Brand on lead guitar, Tom Finn on > bass, and drummer George Cameron. Finn brought his girlfriend to the > studio one day when the group had assembled for a practice session. She > was a 5' 6" teenager with platinum blond hair. Mike Brown was infatuated > with her the instant he saw her. Her name was Renee Fladen. ....... > Harry took the song to ten different record companies before Smash > Records picked it up. It entered the pop charts in the Fall of 1966 and > remained there for ten weeks, peaking at number five. Early the next > year the Left Banke followed up with another song written by Mike Brown > called Pretty Ballerina, and it reached number fifteen. ............. > As for Renee, she moved to Boston with her family shortly after the Left > Banke recorded Walk Away Renee, and no one in the group ever saw her > again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:02:15 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: NJC Re: those songs you really just **love**...Aretha On 3 Nov 2002 at 18:37, mack watson-bush wrote: > Aretha-Until You Come Back To Me Right Bob. > aaaaaah!!!!!!! For me, it's a toss between "Do Right Woman, Do Right Man" and "Moody's Mood." Or "Something He Can Feel" from Sparkle....classic. B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:04:24 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: (just) "Walk Away Renee" NJC Hmm, me, too Don't touch that dial, Lama. You just gave me the idea for a perfect gift for you. Watch the mail in a couple of weeks ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:06:22 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: those songs you really just **love** > what about those songs you just absolutely love & adore... the ones > that sound like an old friend,, that cause that sudden rush of pleasure > when they start,, that have you cranking up the volume, and hitting the > repeat button. > > the songs that feel like coming home The second side of 'Miles of Aisles' in its entirety: Cactus Tree Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Woman of Heart and Mind A Case of You Blue To me these performances of these five songs are the heart and soul of Joni's work up to that point in time. She reveals her deepest feelings here and it's goose bump stuff. You're So Vain - Carly Simon Always crank it up and sing along - real loud! There's something totally liberating about it. Your Love is Lifting Me Higher - Bette Midler Another crank it up and let the intensity flow through you song. Orgasmic. When the Sun Comes Out - Barbra Streisand Another goose-bump, orgasmic torcher sung as only the young Streisand could. I'll Be Seeing You - Billie Holiday Quiet, heart-rending, longing. Melancholy, exquisite, elegant, soulful. Day Is Done - Peter Paul and Mary Makes me cry everytime. Peter Yarrow's voice is sweetly soulful and so is the song. Somebody to Love - Jefferson Airplane Grace Slick's powerful voice rhythmically chanting over a pulsating beat. Sixties flower-power distilled into a 3 or so minute song. Sara - Fleetwood Mac My favorite Stevie Nicks song. Another one that used to make me cry but has less power over me now. Still a beautiful melody, haunting production and lyrics that evoke regret and a sweet melancholy. If I Loved You - Barbra Streisand Barbra's covers on the first Broadway Album were about as close to perfection as you can get. I've always loved this Rogers and Hammerstein song from one of my favorite musicals, 'Carousel'. Barbra doesn't oversing it but still manages to bring it to an intense emotional climax with exquisite control and just enough power. It's Too Late - Carole King The first Carole King single I bought back in high school. Fell in love with her. A simple, to the point song about a relationship that is ending. A great song by one of the great pop song writers. Rickie Lee Jones - Stewart's Coat The first RLJ song that I learned all the lyrics too and still my favorite. A sweet song about falling in love and learning how healing it can be. The story of my life. The Sound of Music - Julie Andrews After a montage of breathtaking aerial shots of the Austrian Alps, the camera finds Julie walking across an Alpine meadow. As the shot zooms in on her she spreads her arms in a gesture of absolute joy, turns around once, taking in the surrounding splendor and in her miraculously clear-as-a-bell soprano voice, comes out with 'The hills are alive with the sound of music.' Oh God! I saw it 7 times when I was a kid and I'm *waiting* for a restored re-release. The dvd is great but there's nothing like seeing it on the big screen. Cabaret - Liza Minelli Say what you like about Liza, when this movie came out in 1972 it was one of the most incredible movie musicals I'd ever seen and she was bursting at the seams with charm, energy and talent. She threw everything she had into the role of Sally Bowles and she was brilliant. Her rendition of the title song at the end of the film followed by the reflections of the audience with the swastikas scattered on uniforms throughout the crowd is both show-stopping and chilling. Laura Nyro - Christmas in My Soul To me this is the pinnacle of Laura's output. I know many disagree but this song takes me to places and moves me in too many ways to count. Some of it's dated, sure, but the sentiments she expressed are still relevant today. Soul stirring as only Laura can do it. This Street That Man This Life - Cowboy Junkies One of the most chilling and heart-breaking songs I've ever heard. Lyrics like 'that man wears his skin/like a dancer's wears a veil/that man stalks his victims/like a cancer stalks a cell/that man's soul has left him/his hearts as deadly as a rusty nail/that man wears his skin/like a veil' re-enforce my belief that Michael Timmons is a lyricist on a par that approaches Joni & Bob. And then there's Margo. The voice that interprets his melancholy words with exquisite perfection. Hour of Gold - Emmylou Harris Emmylou is a great songwriter. Just listen to 'Red Dirt Girl' if you don't believe me and this song in particular: 'But the world will be my witness/when they excavate my heart/and find the image of your face/imprinted there like some Shroud of Turin/that neither time nor tundra could erase.' The breaking of her voice breaks my heart with words like that. She amazes me time and again. Linda Ronstadt - Prisoner in Disguise Great J D Souther song sung as only Linda can. I think Linda has one of the great voices of our time. With the right song, she is unbeatable. Patsy Cline - Sweet Dreams Speaking of great voices, this was one of the all-time greats. She may have been classified as a country singer but Patsy stands up there with any of the great singers in pop music. This was recorded in the last sessions she did before that damn plane crash took her away from us. She was in top form and this is one of the all time great heartbreakers. Dusty Springfield - The Walls Are Much Too Thin Started with 'The Look of Love' and changed my mind. I love this song. Dusty was one of a kind. To me she defines the term 'Blue-Eyed Soul.' This song about a girl who hears talk about the boy she loves through the thin walls of her apartment building is sung with such soul and heartbreak, it just gets to me. I didn't really listen to Dusty until a couple of years ago when I picked up the cd of 'Dusty in Memphis' and became completely smitten with her. Can't get enough of her now. Another one of the greats. Dionne Warwick - Are You There With Another Girl Dionne had a unique, sophisticated sound and style that was none-the-less soulful. This song is supposed to be about a girl suspecting that her boyfriend is cheating on her but it is so campy that is just plain fun to sing along to. I love it. Dionne was one of the first artists I started collecting when I was a teenager and I still love her early stuff. Judy Garland - Over the Rainbow No matter how many times I see 'The Wizard of Oz' or hear that rendition of 'Rainbow' I am still enchanted by it everytime. One of the few moments in those MGM musicals that Judy made in the 30s when she wasn't belting a song out in that show-stopping voice. She becomes the simple Kansas farm girl pouring her heart out to her dog and the sunbeams bursting through the gray clouds. Quiet, gentle, longing and heartfelt with a voice that was smoother and softer than velvet. Sigh. Ok, that's enough for now. As usual, I've written way too much. Pardon my self-indulgence. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #459 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)