From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #445 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 445 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: NJC, Bentsen v. Benson ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Vince and Mark are both winners!! NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: HappY Fecking Birthday Dawg!!!! (NJC) ["kakki" ] Geezzz.....Susan (Guz) Guzzi wins too!! NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Jimmy Webb/Linda R. ["William Chavez" ] Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC ["kakki" ] Joni voice Older?? ["William Chavez" ] Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] More Jonifest Love [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC [dsk ] colin's njc trivial question [vince ] Re: colin's njc trivial question [dsk ] Re: colin's njc trivial question [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:43:36 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: NJC, Bentsen v. Benson Mark E. near Seattle wrote: "I suspect Vince pulled this information straight from his own head, Bree. I could remember 'You, sir, are no John Kennedy' but could not come up with Bentsen's name (I did know Dukakis). Therefore, I think Vince should be the winner of the contest. Travis looked up the info on the net and found Lloyd Bentsen for me." ARRGGGH. . . this is a contest I actually could have won!! Was away from my computer all day, and only got around to seeing this now, but I remember the '88 election very well, and yes, I voted for this ticket. (I have a Republican friend who, comparably, says that he is probably the only person in the U.S. who will admit to having voted for Nixon. ;-) ). Ah, well. . . missed my big chance! Will have to wait for Muller's release of Covers 925 (is that what we're up to now, Bob?) to become a big winner. Cheers to both Mark and Vince, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:14:14 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Vince and Mark are both winners!! NJC Mark since you are so honest and gracious.. you win too!! And Vince you were the first to get both of the names. (spelled correctly too) So..Both of you send me your addresses and I will send you a gift certificate from either Borders or Best Buy? Let me know which store you prefer? I was going to originally send you Travelogue but if you are like me you will want to be at the door on the day of release to get it for yourself. Thanks for the fun!! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:14:13 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Arts new thread (NJC) Mags wrote: >> I always loved Art's voice...this is so ON..I cannot believe it!!!!!!! The collaboration is stellar, moving. I'm just blown away by it! Maia Sharp is the artist who Phyliss and I saw open for Jonatha Brooke last year and we were just knocked out. And if Joni can't get Wayne Shorter on sax in the future, Maia could be a stellar substitute!Whoever said music was in the "crapper?" ;-) I was going to try to make it to the show tonight AND get the CD but had familial obligations that prevented me. (Did get to see the RISEN ANGELS win, though - what a mindblower!) Now I'm motivated to get myself to The Royal Albert Hall show in London ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:17:06 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: HappY Fecking Birthday Dawg!!!! (NJC) Happy birthday dear Julius - one of my oldest and bestest friends on the list (even older than Paz - haha). May you find everything beautiful in the coming year. I'm sorry about your Giants - I was torn a bit seeing Coach Dusty Baker so down after the loss - he was my favorite Dodger back in the day. Then again, I always liked Scoscia, too ;-) Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:33:05 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Geezzz.....Susan (Guz) Guzzi wins too!! NJC Yeah....that chick from CHIC CA GO is a winner..too!! (But only if she sings to me over the tele in her bestest Ethel) NO...I'll send her Joni's complete works if she DOES NOT. lol Give it up Guz..send me your address. Bree _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:41:51 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni's vocal range >>I wonder if Joni felt pressure to raise her range to >that of Baez and Collins so as to provide competitive product in those >years. We as music consumers are reticent to believe that such >detailed >coersion is placed upon artists, but it is not without precedent. I'm sure a lot of singers are manipulated in many ways and if a singer's vocal range allows them to sing in many different keys, then suggestions might be made to sing songs in higher keys. I will have to disagree on this with Joni in particular. The whole purpose behind David Crosby producing her first album was so nobody would alter the Joni Mitchell he fell in love with when he saw her in My home town Miami, FL. He wanted her to sing just like she did at the Gas Light in Coconut Grove. Joni has thanked David publicly during several interviews for the way he produced her. He was basically a token producer, just sat back and let her do her thing. It kept the record label from sticking a producer in the studio that would change her. It might be possible that Joni herself might have thought she needed to sing in a high somewhat thinner voice. It was what was expected of women on the folk circuit, with the exception of Odetta(what a voice!). She has stated in early interviews that she was influenced by Joan Baez singing. The same with Blue. She has stated on many occasions that the recording of Blue was done behind close doors. Nobody was allowed in unless she wanted them in. This is why the album is thought of as being sooo honest and personal. She put emotions on record that most people could only bare to think about in the privacy of their own bathroom. I don't know about anybody else, but when I'm in the bathroom, nobody else is allowed. You can conjure up the strangest things when you got that kind of privacy. Additionally, Joni is one of the few artist that has barely gotten ripped off by the music business as far as royalties and publishing rights go. That's because she has always been so savy and has not let anybody push her around. Someone with this kind of attitude is not going to let anybody tell her how to sing. Her first four albums were not big seller despite how influential they might have been on other artist. Who in the record business do you know that is on a big label, has low record sales and still manages to produce herself. This is basically unheard of. Lets face it Joni' got B____S! Probably why she's got such a huge case of "penis envy"! Wow, everybodies been picking on Joni lately(including me), it's nice to be able to stick up for her once in a while(Hee, Hee). workingwilly(Hee, Hee) P.S. Joni does sing some pretty high notes on the song "Song to a Seagull" but its not as high as the ones on "California" from Blue(eventhough her high notes on "California" are so high that she can barely control them-I think this adds to the appeal-very human). The thin, airy, girl-like voice on STAS does give the impression she is singing high throughout even when she is not. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:42:25 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC Was he a heavy guy with glasses and white hair?(not santa) I can see him but can not recall the name. Bree >when thatcher osrt her second term as PM in the early 80's, who was the >Leader of the Opposition/ >(if you are a Brit, don't answer) > >-- >bw >colin > >TANTRA LHASA APSO (reg 1982) > >colin@tantra-apso.com >http://www.tantra-apso.com _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:48:01 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC, Bentsen v. Benson I wasn't old enough to vote for Nixon...but probably would have. ;-) Like I told a few people don't fret...stay tuned for my annual Christmas trivia game. (2nd year) Bree >Ah, well. . . missed my big chance! Will have to wait for Muller's release >of >Covers 925 (is that what we're up to now, Bob?) to become a big winner. > >Cheers to both Mark and Vince, > >Mary P. _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:54:04 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Jimmy Webb/Linda R. >I think Judy Collin's rendition of "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is tops >for >me. >And Jimmy Webb's too. Jimmy's version of "Galveston" is also incredible. >I've been a fan of Linda's since the beginning and through all her >phases. >I'll always be a little partial to the Stone Poneys days Linda has always had a beautiful voice right from the get go. Her phrasing was a little different back then with the Stone Poneys. She was going for that "proper lady folk" diction. Will _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:39:24 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC I remember a thin guy with glasses and white hair but that would be John Major ;-) Kakki > Was he a heavy guy with glasses and white hair?(not santa) I can see him > but can not recall the name. > > Bree > > > >when thatcher osrt her second term as PM in the early 80's, who was the > >Leader of the Opposition/ > >(if you are a Brit, don't answer) > > > >-- > >bw > >colin > > > >TANTRA LHASA APSO (reg 1982) > > > >colin@tantra-apso.com > >http://www.tantra-apso.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:58:52 -0500 From: "William Chavez" Subject: Joni voice Older?? >I've often thought the same thing. I also think Joni's earliest >voice >(STAS and before) sounds older and more old-fashioned Old fashion-yes, but not necessarily older. Will _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:02:18 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC I must be thinking of him BEFORE he went to Weight Watchers. lol Late here Kakki in the east. Bree >I remember a thin guy with glasses and white hair but that would be John >Major ;-) > >Kakki > > > Was he a heavy guy with glasses and white hair?(not santa) I can see >him > > but can not recall the name. > > > > Bree > > > > > > >when thatcher osrt her second term as PM in the early 80's, who was the > > >Leader of the Opposition/ > > >(if you are a Brit, don't answer) > > > > > >-- > > >bw > > >colin > > > > > >TANTRA LHASA APSO (reg 1982) > > > > > >colin@tantra-apso.com > > >http://www.tantra-apso.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:53:13 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC LOL - well, colin is asking about Maggie's opposition in the early 80s and I think Major was one of her proteges. I have no idea who the opposition was - tried to look it up but couldn't find it. Was amazed that she served 11 years. Can you imagine a US president serving that long? (Post FDR and the imposition of term limits). Know a number of people here who enjoy watching the doings in the House of Commons on CSPAN. Kakki > I must be thinking of him BEFORE he went to Weight Watchers. lol Late here > Kakki in the east. > > Bree > > > >I remember a thin guy with glasses and white hair but that would be John > >Major ;-) > > > >Kakki > > > > > Was he a heavy guy with glasses and white hair?(not santa) I can see > >him > > > but can not recall the name. > > > > > > Bree > > > > > > > > > >when thatcher osrt her second term as PM in the early 80's, who was the > > > >Leader of the Opposition/ > > > >(if you are a Brit, don't answer) > > > > > > > >-- > > > >bw > > > >colin > > > > > > > >TANTRA LHASA APSO (reg 1982) > > > > > > > >colin@tantra-apso.com > > > >http://www.tantra-apso.com > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:25:45 EST From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: More Jonifest Love Yes Even Though I picked up B Marsalis new CD "Footsteps of Four Fathers" Which sounds A+ I have been spinning all 8 JF disc's while designing a 10' x 14" addition to a friends house today. I think I would give the Siquomb statue for best Male performance too Bob Muller's version of "Talk to Me "the way he adds JMDL list verses to the song is so loose,hey Bob blame it on the Tequila !. And the Best Female performance goes to Claudia San Soucie's "Give yourself Love" the warmth of this performance made me feel in a second hand way the love I missed out on . The voice I can not get out of my mind is Yael, only two songs ! The most Professional performance Gregg Cagno sound like a child prodigy born with a steady rhythm in his head, a songbird in his throat, and the evereadybunny battery in his heart. The best 8 songs in a row go to Jeff Bisch and Kate Bennett, Jeff tells a story in these songs Like Ramblin Jack Elliot does. I know I cannot mention everybody. But most important Thank you Ashara Sugarpants ! NP Channeling Ethel 2003 JF needs a DVD. A PS goes out to Jeff B I bought two $4.50 Horner Harmonica's for Amelia and I this weekend ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:34:01 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: trivia question NO PRIZE NJC How about Michael Foot? Don't know what he looks like though. Debra Shea colin wrote: > > when thatcher osrt her second term as PM in the early 80's, who was the > Leader of the Opposition/ > (if you are a Brit, don't answer) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:39:38 -0500 From: vince Subject: colin's njc trivial question dsk wrote: > How about Michael Foot? Don't know what he looks like though. > I was thinking either Neil Kinnock who succeeded Foot in 1983 or John Smith who succeeded Kinnock in 1992, I am leaning towards Kinnock. for my answer Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:48:04 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: colin's njc trivial question vince wrote: > > dsk wrote: > > > How about Michael Foot? Don't know what he looks like though. > > I was thinking either Neil Kinnock who succeeded Foot in 1983 or John > Smith > who succeeded Kinnock in 1992, I am leaning towards Kinnock. for my > answer > Vince Good luck, Vince :-) I think Neil Kinnock got the leadership of the Labor Party because the party as led by Michael Foot lost so badly in 1983, but I may be wrong about that. This quiz is a real strain on the brain. I wonder if all the Brits know the answer. (Yes, probably.) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:54:04 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: colin's njc trivial question > > dsk offered: > > > > > How about Michael Foot? Don't know what he looks like though. > > > I opined: > > I was thinking either Neil Kinnock who succeeded Foot in 1983 or John > > Smith > > who succeeded Kinnock in 1992, I am leaning towards Kinnock. for my > > answer > > Vince > > dsk's historically accurate reply: > > > I think Neil Kinnock got the leadership of the Labor Party because the > party as led by Michael Foot lost so badly in 1983, but I may be wrong > about that. > No, you wouldn't be wrong on that! And Smith succeeded Kinnock for Kinnock's losing the the 1992 election so badly. and the circle, it goes round and round Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #445 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)