From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #433 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 18 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 433 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Cover art ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:Travelogue. ["Brenda" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re:Travelogue. ["Brenda" ] Re: Travelogue. [johnirving ] teach your children (and hello Walt!) NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni's artwork ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Travelogue...Joni & Mo ["Brenda" ] Live from LA -- Joni! [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Teach Your Children [John Low ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter NJC [dsk ] RS interview ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Live from LA -- Joni! ["Mark or Travis" ] Stay Awake NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] early early songs ["walterphil" ] Re: RS interview ["Mark or Travis" ] flower drum song opening on broadway - njc ["patrick leader" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Denknee" ] Re: flower drum song opening on broadway - njc [] Re: Live from LA -- Joni! ["kakki" ] Travelogue only $24.99 ["Marian Russell " ] Traders wanted [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:23:50 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Cover art The first thing that struck me when I saw the cover art for Travelogue is *Kilauren.* Perhaps this is not even a portrait of Joni, but rather, a metaphysical blend of the two womens' faces? Or could this be the famed portrait of the daughter we are waiting for? IMHO the portrait doesn't * feel * like Joni, nor really does it really look like her. C'mon, show us the nervy broad who's pushin' 60! xo Michaelo in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:32:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter NJC **Ruth, what is a PK?** Well, obviously I'm NOT Ruth but I can tell you that "PK" stands for "Preacher's kid". I would also guess that's why she's named Ruth. Bob, who dated a PK named Rachel for awhile... NP: Epidemic, "The Slightest Trace" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:49:50 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re:Travelogue. On 17 Oct 2002 at 17:11, johnirving wrote: > Well, well. Tongues are certainly wagging around here... > > Jim made a brilliant observation re: the Travelogue cover. Jim, you'd > make a great ad man. If you'd been around the table during the > discussion of the cover art, there'd be a new cover. It seems unlikely that it would change. As Reprise President Howie Klein said "she wears the pants in all departments when it comes to her music." I don't think it's that much of a problem, mostly because it's a double CD and the price will be much greater than any of the releases it's similar too (to me it looks more like TTT than BSN). But flipping through the rack it'll stand out as being different because of price. And I'm sure advertising will highlight songs like "Woodstock" and "Circle Game" to attract potential buyers who aren't die hard fans like us who are waiting on pins & needles for a new release. > > As to the subject of Nonesuch... I hate to be the worry wart, but > there's no new deal here. This is the old Warner deal, which > contractually demanded 2 recordings. Hence her comment saying she 'may > never sign another record deal.' The best we can hope for, at the > moment anyway, is that Travelogue will count as one record, not two. > Leaving her obligated to once more. Although, if she wanted out... and > they wanted out... "sigh." > I think it's just a matter of choosing Nonesuch to release her record as well, and that it's not necessarily a new deal. The decision was for financial and marketing purposes. (Someone I know is checking to see if there was an extension negotiated with the move, which would mean more to come, but given how quickly it happened I doubt it.) Even though there are two records left on the contract, I don't think delivery would be "demanded." If she wanted to call it quits, her lawyer could negotiate her out. I really don't think anyone would hold her feet to the fire, unless Travelogue becomes a huge success. > Quoting Brenda... > "Tom Whalley, the chairman of Warner/Reprise has been nothing but > clear since he arrived last year about rejuvenating those labels as > pop labels and increasing market share. He came from Interscope - a > big spend, big sales kind of label. Joni's new music doesn't fit that > plan." > > Much of Joni's present distaste for the Industry stems from this > little tidbit. I recall one of her interviews she was quite bitter > about the 'new guy' coming on board after promises from the 'old guy' > who retired just as the ink was drying on her Warner contract. I'm > certain she felt betrayed. -I also think the dirth of new material > rises out of this. I don't think she wants to give Warner anything > more than she has to. In a way it's all fitting when you think of it. Which old guy are you talking about, Mo Ostin? Mo did not retire. He, his son Michael and Lenny Waronker were forced out. It was a huge shock across the business. Mo is not a false promises kind of guy. Not buy a stretch. And after he left, Joni delivered new material in TTT. (In fact, there was an article where Klein talked about how Joni was "exuberant" re: working TTT.) It was 6 years between Mo leaving in 1995 and Whalley starting in 2001 (and in between were Danny Goldberg and Russ Thyret). BSN was out before there was even a hint that Whalley was going over. For me, it just doesn't add up that this is about his arrival or Mo's departure. I'm with the camp that believes that she is just more interested in painting than she is in writing music. (I also think that the level of sales for Turbulent Indigo - and all the records subsequent to it - was a disappointment, especially given all the Grammy hype that TI got.) B n.p.: Squeeze - "Is That Love" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **Ruth, what is a PK?** > > Well, obviously I'm NOT Ruth but I can tell you that > "PK" stands for > "Preacher's kid". I would also guess that's why > she's named Ruth. > > Bob, who dated a PK named Rachel for awhile... > > Son of a gun - you learn something every day. All I could think of is PFK, which is the French version of KFC (poulet frit a la Kentucky) - at least in Canadian French, I don't know about the rest of the French-speaking world! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:18:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:Travelogue. --- Brenda wrote:> > I don't think it's that much of a problem, mostly > because it's a double CD and the > price will be much greater than any of the releases > it's similar too (to me it looks > more like TTT than BSN). But flipping through the > rack it'll stand out as being > different because of price. And I'm sure > advertising will highlight songs like > "Woodstock" and "Circle Game" to attract potential > buyers who aren't die hard fans > like us who are waiting on pins & needles for a new > release. ... which reminds me that I saw in a music store yesterday Diana Krall's new CD, which had one of those yellow stickers on the front of it saying (something like) "including Joni Mitchell's hit 'A case of you'", which is interesting because lately people on the list have been discussing the fact that average people these days don't even know about Joni's existance - which makes me wonder whether they're using Joni to sell Diana, or Diana to sell Joni; or just who the sticker info is aimed at: old fogies like me who remember Joni Mitchell (y'know the folk singer?) or young fogies who might know Diana, see the name Joni Mitchell and decide to pick up a Joni CD at the same time? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:29:58 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re:Travelogue. On 17 Oct 2002 at 22:18, Catherine McKay wrote: > ... which reminds me that I saw in a music store > yesterday Diana Krall's new CD, which had one of those > yellow stickers on the front of it saying (something > like) "including Joni Mitchell's hit 'A case of you'", > which is interesting because lately people on the list > have been discussing the fact that average people > these days don't even know about Joni's existance - > which makes me wonder whether they're using Joni to > sell Diana, or Diana to sell Joni; or just who the > sticker info is aimed at: old fogies like me who > remember Joni Mitchell (y'know the folk singer?) or > young fogies who might know Diana, see the name Joni > Mitchell and decide to pick up a Joni CD at the same time? > It's definitely using Joni to sell Diana to the old fogies like you! lol! Diana's on a different label, so they won't go out of their way to sell Joni records. I'm sure it's there because she was performing the tune in concert before it turned up on a record and they want to let people know they can finally get it. B n.p.: Tony & kd - "Moonglow" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:29:07 -0500 From: johnirving Subject: Re: Travelogue. > Which old guy are you talking about, Mo Ostin? Mo did not retire. He, his son > Michael and Lenny Waronker were forced out. It was a huge shock across the > business. Mo is not a false promises kind of guy. Not buy a stretch. And after he > left, Joni delivered new material in TTT. (In fact, there was an article where Klein > talked about how Joni was "exuberant" re: working TTT.) > > It was 6 years between Mo leaving in 1995 and Whalley starting in 2001 (and in > between were Danny Goldberg and Russ Thyret). BSN was out before there was > even a hint that Whalley was going over. For me, it just doesn't add up that this is > about his arrival or Mo's departure. Thanks Brenda for the info and clarifications. Much of my commentary, and opinion, is fed from a very poor memory. My brain is a sieve. -But there IS a Joni commentary where she mentions having a handsake 'gentleman's agreement' with the head of Warner only to have it all turn into thin air when he left. (I assumed it was retirement... not forced.) Anyway, in the interview it's obvious that Joni hits a raw nerve bringing up the subject. Perhaps one or two of you Brainiacs-Of-All-Joni-Facts remembers the interview... Yes? Brenda, given that you know these time lines better than I ever could, my brain sorta remembers this happening on the cusp of her new (present) deal. So gone or not, she had to deliver new material. (TI, TTT), but as time went along, there's less and less new about the material. As my boyfriend, Rich put it when I mentioned the threat of a Dreary Christmas CD..., "It's obvious she wants out of her contract." Keep us posted on the contractual stuff... j. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:19:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: teach your children (and hello Walt!) NJC yes, i must chime in...its so good to hear from you walt! lieve wrote >>My last bit of advice: music education! Get a piano in the house, get your kids some music lessons, at least if they are in the least interested. I find it is all paying off now.<< amen, that to me is the key to the world... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:06:48 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: nonesuch I can't wait for the new album!!! > > I'm too excited!! > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > Welcome back, Jamie! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:13:11 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > Is there a significant Martha in the art world that this might have related > > to? I don't know, I'm just throwing it out in case it rings a familiar note > > with anyone. > > Martha Stewart LOL! > you know, It's a good thing.... > Or Martha Mitchell? Maybe a coupla years late for that particular topical reference. Since the next line after the one about landscapes is: 'I'm not above gossip but I'll sit on a secret where honor is at stake' I always figured Martha was somebody she knew. Either Joni or the persona she's using in the song. Gossip and secrets are usually about people we know. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:29:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni's artwork a friend who met little richard a few years back said he was wearing contacts that made his eyes look like cat eyes... bob wrote >>And is it just me, or do her eyes in this painting have a feline quality about them? Reminds me of that wacky lady that had a series of cosmetic surgeries to make her face like that of her cats. Creepy.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:15:43 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper In a message dated 10/15/2002 11:59:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > > > X-INFO: INVALID TO LINE > My randon reactions to the article - > > The first thing is that I had a good belly laugh at the Joni quotes! > > Then I thought a lot of other things. > > The royalties dispute with Geffen - we had a thread here long ago where I > recall that Geffen sued her for her mechanical (?) royalties to try to > re-coup her advance. I think it was Fred Simon and maybe some others who > said that such royalties are off-limits legally and it was therefore dirty > for Geffen to try to go after them (and he lost the legal fight, too.) > > On the other hand, do record companies fool around with the royalties owed > to artists? A number of artists over the years claim they do. Is it > deliberate, or is is just bad or sloppy (and sometimes arrogant) accounting > practices? Mostly the latter. Some artists also may see their songs or > albums for sale in foreign countries and think to themselves "the record > company never paid me for those!" not realizing that they are often > "pirated" product, over which the record company has little or no control, > especially in those countries where "pirating" is legal. > > Is Joni crotchety? Yeah! But it reminds me of what I've always heard > about > growing older. People cut to the chase, get more real and don't give a > damn > so much anymore with telling it like they think it is, regardless of > whether > it is correct or not. > > Does Joni need to get out more? Yes, I have thought so for awhile, now. > Maybe she should join in on the list - LOL > Joni may be right about this subject,but doesn't she seem to be a broken record?(pun intended)If I'm not mistaken she said the same exact thing in "Rolling Stone" a few years ago and about a trillion other times... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:29:31 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Travelogue...Joni & Mo On 17 Oct 2002 at 21:29, johnirving wrote: > Thanks Brenda for the info and clarifications. Much of my commentary, > and opinion, is fed from a very poor memory. My brain is a sieve. -But > there IS a Joni commentary where she mentions having a handsake > 'gentleman's agreement' with the head of Warner only to have it all > turn into thin air when he left. (I assumed it was retirement... not > forced.) Well, all the articles said he retired cuz that was the PR line, but that's not what happened. After leaving Warner, he started Dreamworks Records with Lenny and is still there last I heard. Anyway, in the interview it's obvious that Joni hits a raw > nerve bringing up the subject. Perhaps one or two of you > Brainiacs-Of-All-Joni-Facts remembers the interview... Yes? Brenda, > given that you know these time lines better than I ever could, my > brain sorta remembers this happening on the cusp of her new (present) > deal. So gone or not, she had to deliver new material. (TI, TTT), but > as time went along, there's less and less new about the material. As > my boyfriend, Rich put it when I mentioned the threat of a Dreary > Christmas CD..., "It's obvious she wants out of her contract." > I searched the archives and found a Vogue article that talks about Mo leaving, but she certainly doesn't seem to lay any blame at his feet...in fact she comes off as being very "devil may care" about it. Maybe there was something else? http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9504v.cfm I really think that given that Mo was her guy, if she just wanted out, they would have allowed her out after the greatest hits or certainly after TTT since it was a disappointment. Unless her lawyer really sucks, she would not have had to muster up a bunch of covers to complete delivery. As she says, she's not going to recoup, so unless the head of the company has something personally vested in keeping her, he would gladly let her go. > Keep us posted on the contractual stuff... I certainly will. B n.p.: - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:33:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Live from LA -- Joni! From an article at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021017/143/2grar.html Sheryl Crow, Norah Jones & Others To Play Stormy Weather Walden Woods Benefit Thu Oct 17, 2:57 PM ET(10/17/02, 3 p.m. ET) -- Sheryl Crow and Norah Jones have signed on for a benefit concert with a twist. They, along with Paula Cole, Deborah Cox, Stevie Nicks, Joni Mitchell, Reba McEntire, Susan Tedeschi, and Trisha Yearwood, will perform pop, jazz, and blues standards at Stormy Weather 2002, which is described as "an evening of romance, glamour, fabulous women, and beautiful music." The show is set for November 13 at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles, and tickets go on sale Sunday (October 20) at 12 noon PT via Ticketmaster. Money raised at the event will go to the Walden Woods Project and the Thoreau Institute At Walden Pond, both of which Eagles singer-drummer Don Henley founded and has been actively involved with for years. Henley was on hand at the site earlier this month as the state of Massachusetts ceded the 26.4 acre Goose Pond to the Walden Pond State Reservation, increasing the amount of protected land to nearly 360 acres. - -- Bruce Simon, New York ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John Low Subject: RE: Teach Your Children I think Joni Mitchell (particularly her early persona) can be as appealing to youngsters today as she ever was. My daughter told me that she and some of her friends are planning to tour Australia after they finish school in a couple of years. They want to buy a van and paint it with flowers etc. and their theme tune is going to be Big Yellow Taxi! This may only be a dream of hers but Clouds & LOTC seem to be permanently in the TOP 10 chart at our house! There is no past or future, just one big NOW! Back into lurkdom, John (in Sydney) Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:50:19 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > Bob wrote: > > "PK" stands for "Preacher's kid". > > Son of a gun - you learn something every day. All I > could think of is PFK, which is the French version of > KFC (poulet frit a la Kentucky) All I could come up with was Pseudo-Kristian (oops, wrong! :-) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:00:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: RS interview Ok, so I just read the RS interview thanks very much to Jim Johanson for putting a link on the home page. Here is the *only* reference to other artists (aside from Joan Baez, Judy Collins and Dylan earlier on in the piece): Throughout the years, the media have at times pitted you against some of the women you helped inspire. Have you ever regretted anything negative you said about any of your disciples? See, I've never liked copycats, not that these girls are necessarily copycats, or that it is even their fault. It's kind of like, "Get me a new Joni Mitchell." So they kept turning up -- they did it with Bob, too. Bob spawned his imitators closer to the beginning of his career. Mine, it took a while for them to kind of grow up or something. And every woman who ever came along has sold more records than I have -- you know, Carole King, my contemporaries, Carly Simon. Everybody, always. I don't know why, but I've never been a big record seller, like Billie Holiday. You know, Doris Day outsold Billie. If you were to run into a Britney Spears or a Christina Aguilera . . . They're sweet. Would you give them any advice? No. I mean, what can you say? I mean, that's what they've chosen. God, my granddaughter is three, and she's really rhythmic. And already she's grabbing her crotch and dancing. It's really tragic what MTV has done to the world. Because it's piped all over the world. me again: This also puts the 'grabbing your crotch' bit into context. If I read this correctly she was actually giving an explanation for the sexploitation employed by Britney & Christina, not condemning them for it, but trying to rationalize it. Personally I have no problem with her comments about MTV. What I would call a 'rant' doesn't start until the last two questions and the bit about the music business being a cesspool that she's ashamed to be part of and wanting to see it go down the crapper doesn't come until the very end and is a *very* small fraction of the whole. I'd say whoever did the Reuters blurb did a nice spin (hatchet?) job on our Joan. I thought it was interesting what she had to say about Annie Ross. I met Annie very briefly a few years ago and I got the impression that she wasn't the most warm and open person in the world. At least not to people outside of her circle or milieu, as it were. I still think she's amazing talent, though, and that impression would never stop me from listening to her or buying one of her cds. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:05:17 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Live from LA -- Joni! > Sheryl Crow, Norah Jones & Others To Play Stormy Weather Walden Woods Benefit > > Thu Oct 17, 2:57 PM ET(10/17/02, 3 p.m. ET) -- Sheryl Crow and Norah Jones > have signed on for a benefit concert with a twist. They, along with Paula > Cole, Deborah Cox, Stevie Nicks, Joni Mitchell, Reba McEntire, Susan > Tedeschi, and Trisha Yearwood, will perform pop, jazz, and blues standards at > Stormy Weather 2002, which is described as "an evening of romance, glamour, > fabulous women, and beautiful music." Tres, cool Murfman! I wonder what she'll sing this year? Mark E. in Seattle running to put BSN in the cd player. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Stay Awake NJC Stay Awake is really a great album. Producer Hal Willner (the mucical director of Saturday Night Live) did a few albums like this in the '80's. My other favorite along with Stay Awake is Lost in the Stars, which is interpretations of Kurt Weill's music. It has Sting doing Mac the Knife, Lou Reed doing September Song (sans melody), Marianne Faithfull with a wonderful rendition of Ballad of the Soldier's Wife, and the uncomparable Dagmar Krause doing Surabaya Johnny, etc. An excellant record. Willner also put together a collection of interpretations of Nino Rota's music, and also one of Mingus' music. Azeem wrote: More recently, she was heard on the truly fabulous "Stay Awake", a collection of newly recorded versions of songs from Disney films, which included Suzanne Vega doing a gorgeous unaccompanied take on the title song, Los Lobos with a rollicking I Wanna Be Like You, Bonnie Raitt with a sweet Baby Mine, Tom Waits with a truly bizarre Heigh Ho, and Ringo Starr with a rendition of When You Wish Upon A Star which would bring a smile to the most jaded soul. Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:22:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "walterphil" Subject: early early songs this is my first post to this club so if you've already discussed these songs ad nauseum please bear with me. Do you think joni would ever consider releasing all those old radio shows (i think the versions i have are from a bbc show) she did in the mod 60's before her career really took off? i can't believe there aren't any studio recordings of some of these beautiful beautiful songs. One of them "urge for going" we know she recorded as the b side to the "You turn me on" single. wouldn't it be nice if she had recorded "eastern rain" somewhere/sometime? or on this new lp of hers--you think maybe she could have recorded one of these, instead of say "cherokee louise?" (shudder) to name a few eastern rain-what a beautiful melody- did you ever hear fairport conventions version? joni's coke commercial/things go better-even tho this is a joke song, i love it. I love it when she plays that strummy rock and roll guitair/riffing brandy eyes-ok, this one is a little corny, but sweet none the less mr. blue-ditto born to the highway-the only one i really dislike carnival in kennorra-pretty (and a bit bizarre)-very high trebbly singing here-i miss joni when she was this happy/innocent (sounding) winter lady-a beautiful perfect early joni song just like me-love her lower register here-great great song blue on blue-a little bland come to the sunshine-a sad and lovely one london bridge-ok this one is pretty unbearable- but the accompanyong story is funny go tell the drummer man-a bit strident and old fashioned these are on double cd (boot) i bought on ebay last year it seems pretty obvious that "song to a seagull" could have been a double, and while most of these are inferior to "seagulls" selections, i dearly love these. this cd also includes 2 versions of both sides now which i actually prefer to the "clouds" version. Do you think that slowed down version on "clouds" is a reaction to judy's hit version? (also on a side note--i just LOVE judy collins!-don't you? especially her early alto folk stuff.) There's also an ok version of neil youngs "sugar mountain." Neil sings a song here himself called "sweet joni". it is truly awful. there is an extra verse in "morning morgantown." "chelsea morning" sounds as fresh as the day it was written. one more thing-boy did she talk a lot back then-giggly and non-stop. (kind of like this email). I also have an old vinyl bootleg which has a studio version of a song called "good samaritan" which to me sounds like an eary version of "this flight tonight." Also on this lp is a great live version of "get together"-such strong singing/yodling. why the heck did joni quit yodling? joni joni joni-i just love her when i listen top this early stuff on another note-i just bought the rolling stone interview. those bitter comments quoted here recently certainly seem much milder in their proper context. I never get tired of reading any joni interview. of course she will continue to record! i just wish she would start writing songs again instead of the dreary orchestral monstrosities she's doing. that's all for now xxx walt ps. my fondest joni moment - riding in a car in pgh, while it was stating to snow, hearing "barangrill" on the radio for the first time. (pgh college station). That song always takes me right there. was there ever an album by anyone, that could equal "for the roses?" (ok, maybe "new york tendaberry") The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:24:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: RS interview Here is the *only* reference to other > artists (aside from Joan Baez, Judy Collins and Dylan earlier on in the > piece): Ok, before anybody calls me on this, she does mention Grace Slick and Janis Joplin. How could I have forgotten those two??? Mark E in Seattle lover of both Grace and Janis. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:58:53 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: flower drum song opening on broadway - njc i had an only in new york experience this evening, and not even that often in new york. i've lived here nearly 17 years and this was my first. a friend of mine works for the rogers and hammerstein organization and at 3:15 she was asked if she wanted to come to the opening night and the opening night cast party of 'flower drum song'. the show opened on broadway tonight, the first time since the original run in the early '60s with a brand new book by david henry hwang (m. butterfly). and my first opening night of a show, and my first (and probably my last) opening night party. so much fun. the show is a sentimental favorite of mine. about san francisco, near where i grew up, for one thing. also, when i was young, my mom used to buy broadway songbooks and we'd learn the songs around the piano. always loved the movie too. great score, with '100 million miracles', 'i enjoy being a girl', 'grant avenue', 'chop suey', 'love look away', and on and on. this was a fantastic production, especially musically. new arrangements, with traditional chinese sounding instruments spicing up the tremendous rodgers and hammerstein melodies (i see in the orchestra credits, bamboo flutes, erhu and pipa). fantastic singers, i mean fantastic. i'd heard of lea salonga forever, but had never seen her on stage. she is just wonderful, a fragile, sweet presence on stage with an amazing voice from the bottom to the top of a huge range. in 'love look away' the song was pitched low and a lot of it was in her chest voice, and it was just amazing what strength and truth she has in that range. the male ingenue was jose llano, who i've seen and heard before (on the town) but who, i think, will be a breakout for this role. what a gorgeous voice! linda low, the 'i enjoy being...' role was played by sandra allen, a former 'miss international' whatever that is, and a fantastic piece of work with a great, ballsy blues voice. madame liang, the best comic role, was played to the hilt by a woman named jodi long. really, everyone was fantastic. the new book puts the show all in a san francisco nightclub, so songs that are not production numbers in the movie are club numbers in this show, including chop suey, which has the chorus girls in chinese take-out containers that light up. brilliant and campy. then going to the party was a gas. people dressed to the nines, including many men in black tie and looking so fine. (thank god my hugo boss suit is still semi-cool) late in the night, crazy dancing on the floor, so that i headed home soaked. just a fun, special night for me. patrick np - toby twining - chrysalid requiem [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:13:03 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper Relayer wrote: > Joni may be right about this subject,but doesn't she seem to be a broken > record?(pun intended)If I'm not mistaken she said the same exact thing in > "Rolling Stone" a few years ago and about a trillion other times... Because Rolling Stone keeps asking her the same question over and over a trillion times to keep it stirred up. I was thinking about her latest comments today and again just started laughing out loud. I almost have a feeling Joni is having fun with it all at this point like "you want to hear my opinion on the music business AGAIN? O.K, let me give you yet another pithy quote!" ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:20:23 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: vocal range JC figures that ever-cool azeem would remember the yma sumac contribution to stay awake. a very fine piece of work that collection. martha is almost certainly martha graham. modern dance is spiralling downward toward insignificance these days in america, and certainly on this list, but in joni's early formative years, martha graham mattered so deeply. and her dogged independence as a female artist would have inspired joni as well, as much as georgia o'keeffe's. and martha, joni, and georgia had identical cheekbones... patrick np - toby twining - chrysalid requiem More recently, she >was heard >on the truly fabulous "Stay Awake", a collection of newly recorded >versions >of songs from Disney films, which included Suzanne Vega doing a gorgeous >unaccompanied take on the title song, Los Lobos with a rollicking >I Wanna Be >Like You, Bonnie Raitt with a sweet Baby Mine, Tom Waits with a >truly bizarre >Heigh Ho, and Ringo Starr with a rendition of When You Wish Upon A >Star which >would bring a smile to the most jaded soul. > >Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:25:53 -0400 From: "Denknee" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Concerning Martha in "Talk To Me"... Martha Mitchell was in the news alot around the time of the release of 'DJRD'. I just naturally thought it was M.M. that Joni was referring to. A thought. I'll now return to lurking mode, thank you. - -denknee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:15:14 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: flower drum song opening on broadway - njc fantastic singers, i mean > fantastic. i'd heard of lea salonga forever, but had never seen her on > stage. she is just wonderful, a fragile, sweet presence on stage with > an amazing voice from the bottom to the top of a huge range. in 'love > look away' the song was pitched low and a lot of it was in her chest > voice, and it was just amazing what strength and truth she has in that > range. > Thanks, Patrick for the glowing reviews. The Philippines is very proud of Lea Salonga and her immense talent. And in her solo concerts in Manila, she always surpassed peoples' expectations, or maybe we are easy to please as a race. And her choice of songs, from Broadway staples to Kevyn Lettau songs. > the male ingenue was jose llano, who i've seen and heard before (on the > town) but who, i think, will be a breakout for this role. Jose Llana is also a great singer/actor but quite underappreciated here in the Philippines. Hopefully his role in FDS will make him in the league of the big stars. Jerry Notaro privately emailed me about FDS' Broadway run, and I hope that it gets to come here in Manila as well with all the Filipino talents in the New York musical. Joseph np: Lou Levy "By Myself" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:20:57 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Live from LA -- Joni! Ooooo - thank you Murphy for this wonderful news!! This is a great surprise and so cool they are doing it again. The show in '98 featured more artists and the theme was performing the old standards. Less may be more here and they are doing pop, jazz and the blues this time around! Wowee. And Norah Jones, too! But why do they keep doing it on a Wednesday night? - arrrr. I'll be there anyway, of course. Kakki > From an article at: > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021017/143/2grar.html > > Sheryl Crow, Norah Jones & Others To Play Stormy Weather Walden Woods Benefit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:54:36 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: Travelogue only $24.99 at www.amazon.com and also at www.borders.com Seems like Borders has teamed up with amazon. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:33:36 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Traders wanted Joniphiles - I am looking for a few people interested in trading (as in Joni's music) to help me with a test - especially people who have something to trade. Please contact me off-list if interested. Thanks, Les, a real PK NP: Glenn Gould, Bach Goldberg Variations ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #433 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)