From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #430 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 16 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 430 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Bali (njc) (rant alert) [dsk ] Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper (njc) ["Brenda" ] "Glass full of water" letter (njc, and looong) (6969) [BigWaltinSF@aol.co] Was Re: Joni on the music biz ...Now Nonesuch ["Brenda" ] Re: nonesuch ["Brenda" ] travelogue and other snippets (SJC) ["Yael" ] Re: NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] RE: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper (njc) ["Kate Bennet] Re: NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Nonesuch question [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... ["Sybil Skelton" ] New Orleans, here I come! NJC [Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup ] Re: New Orleans, here I come! NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] re: New Radicals - njc ["Brenda" ] Re: Teach Your Children, NJC ["Brenda" ] Re: nonesuch ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:09:28 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Bali (njc) (rant alert) jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph wrote: > > There were a lot of Al Qaeda sightings in my own country and some people > who are not in the country where I am may dismiss it right away, but the > psychological terror is with us in the Asian region, even if we go on our > lives every day. Yes, Bush's and his co-leaders' policies are dangerous to the entire world. Not everyone here supports his actions; there were lots of "no" votes regarding the resolution to use military force in Iraq. And there was enough pressure from some Congressional leaders that Bush didn't get what he wanted, which was the approval for him to use force anywhere he sees a threat. That was really scary, and at least in theory would allow Bush to see Indonesia as a bombing target now. Maybe the Philippines, too, as long as we could avoid harming the huge U.S. military base there. So, one of the small consolations about the resolution recently passed is that it's only about Iraq. (Yes, I know, big deal when the bombs start falling; anyone who manages to survive that will be finding their way posthaste to al Qaeda or some other terrorist organization.) It still blows my mind that the U.S. president thinks it's ok to go in and decide the leaders of another country, although it's not a new concept. The U.S. has often done that covertly. And some people wonder why Americans are seen as arrogant? I'd say the "we're going to have things OUR way, no matter what it takes, no matter what you want or need, no matter what the complex truth might be" makes the arrogance very clear. I doubt if a single dollar is ever given by the U.S. without lots of strings attached. The foreign aid the U.S. gives is the smallest percentage of any industrialized country. It's still a large amount since the U.S. GNP is so high, but to claim we're the most generous people in the world is inaccurate. I'm NOT saying I think violence is an appropriate way to express anti-American feeling or that there's any justification for killing hundreds, thousands of people or targeting 50,000 American workers. NONE AT ALL!!! THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT!!! I've spent a year mourning and crying about what happened in NYC, and now I'm furious about what was done here! I don't have any instant solutions. But, acting like the U.S. has never done anything wrong is just going to prolong finding solutions. And focusing on bombing the problem away is not going to solve anything either. > And yes, Debra, I also was asking the same question you asked. Why bomb a > country not known to support the US? Is this a way of sowing fear to > people caught in the crossfire of the war they didn't have a hand in > creating, or is this a relentless fight against anyone who is white. Both > scenarios disgust me. Yes, me too. When I found out most of the people on Bali are Hindus, I then wondered if it was a religious conflict. There was the recent killing of Hindus by Muslims and vice versa in India, another sickening situation, and to read that that slaughter was over the use of a religious site made it even more disgusting. I don't think there's any scenario where the murder of hundreds of people would not be disgusting. Indonesian leaders themselves were saying rather quickly that the bombing in Bali was by al Qaeda (or at least that the bombers were connected somehow) and that the bombing was meant to express anti-American, or maybe it was anti-Western, feelings. I don't know why the Indonesians seemed so certain about that, and really hope it wasn't just to stay on the good side of the U.S., as in "see? we don't like al Qaeda either, so don't bomb us". Obviously, there's more to learn about what happened there. I was glad to read that investigators from many different countries will be looking into it because if it was only American investigators their findings wouldn't be trusted by lots of people. That's the way it is for now, with no signs that will change any time soon. Debra Shea in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:41:47 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper (njc) On 16 Oct 2002 at 11:19, Kate Bennett wrote: > all this is why people are migrating in droves to the smaller, > independent labels...which is a good thing... I think it is a good thing as well but I have to caution - there are plenty of independent labels which engage in the same practices. So going to an independent does not automatically equal fairness. But I think it is a good thing because it puts artist expectations in-line with reality - instead of expecting to sell 2 million records, they accept that there audience is actually 15,000. (BTW - Nonesuch is NOT an independent.) > > this is just my opinion, based on my experience not facts about > joni...but it is my guess that when joni is bitter towards the biz, it > isn't about the money, its about the unfairness of the practices in > general...& i am glad joni is speaking out & that more people are now > speaking out because as brenda says, things have not changed & there > are still so many illusions people have about they think it works as > opposed to how it actually does work... > I've got no problems with Joni speaking out - however, like Debra, I'd like to see her act out as well. She is well respected and could lend a lot of legitimacy to various artist rights campaigns and organizations. She could also attract more artists to the cause. Hell, even something as simple as giving a seminar to explain to artists why they should keep their publishing or do an admin deal instead of a co-publishing one. With all the activity that is being initiated and pushed by artists themselves as opposed to their managers or unions, it is an exciting time and I find it remarkably that she is absent from the scene. Brenda n.p.: CSPAN - UN Security Council session - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:53:44 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni's Travelogue cover art/track listing The is the kind of cover that if the average person picked up > "Travelogue" while browsing in the record store, they's say "Oh I already > have this one". Not a smart marketing move IMO. (better than a hat box > though :~) I agree...also is it just me or does the first cd seem to contain many heavy more intense songs all in a row that are maybe not as accessible as some others would have been...from a marketing perspective, it doesn't seem like the best selection and/or order...I'm just wondering what the average fan reaction will be... and I really think that the cover art cound have been a little more inspired...it doesn't seem to go with the material...or maybe that same shade of green just triggers an image of TTT which is kind of weird in itself... Victor NP: Beck "Lonesome Tears".....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:54:34 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC getting on Erica Trudelle wrote: > Wow Colin, > You really know how to make someone born in the '74 feel old(er) :) I used > to work at a whole foods grocery with a guy who was born in 1980, I would > always say to him, "I can't believe you were born in the '80's!!!!!!!" and this 1958 child can't believe you were born in 70's! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:57:57 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: "Glass full of water" letter (njc, and looong) (6969) Hi, everyone -- I'd hoped to send everyone a separate and custom-fitted letter to explain my extended absenses from internet-land, but i got such a good couple of letters from two young Spaniard friends, and wrote the following (if the language seems simplified, it's because Alberto isn't quite fluent -- Alvaro is). For those of you at the Jonifest, if i seemed a little wooden or reserved at the time, this may give some clue as to why. (Robert and I met these two kids because they'd driven away from Alamo Square, leaving behind on a bench a backpack with a digital camara and both their wallets. The cops couldn't be bothered, so we called every number we could find in the backpack, and finally found them at a B&B. We've been friends ever since. They're young -- 24 and 25 -- and wonderful, and i guess fate decided we had to meet). Finally, for those of you who think Prez Bush is swell -- my apologies if you take offense at my potshot. Can't help how you feel -- something I'm trying to learn. Love to all of you. LETTER TO ALBAVO AND ALBERTO: GLASS FULL OF WATER Hi, Alvaro (and Alberto -- copy of this letter to him, cuz I'm lazy today)! Thanks for your letters of support! In a message dated 10/14/02 2:17:07 AM, ros@enst.fr writes: << I'm not as mature as you, however I have had some experiences in that way, and I know that most of the time it's hard to explain how you feel, in a sincere way.>> Au contraire, Alvaro! You are mature beyond your years! <> That has been the problem -- Robert knows I'm strong, and he often asks me to stand up for him -- but then he pulls me back when he thinks I've said or done "enough". This drives me crazy, even though I know it's perfectly within his rights. He asks me to be "supportive" (Oh! how I've grown to hate that word -- it's overused in American English -- if one does *anything at all* that frustrates or annoys or disagrees with someone, you're not being "supportive enough". Crap.) without having input -- or worse, he asks for my input or help, and whines if he doesn't like what I do -- or if he's unhappy at the outcome -- it becomes my fault. A favorite writer of mine once described his feelings during a period of crisis as being like "walking around with a glass full of water, needing not to spill a drop, and going about [his] business as if everything were as usual". That's how I've been feeling for some time -- although (fortunately) when I met you and Alberto -- has it been a year now?? I can't remember exactly when you guys were here -- I was still relatively sane. I guess I'm still sane, although only through sheer force of will, of which I have a lot. I was visiting a dear friend yesterday -- he's been through *so much* in the last 15 years -- he's also Irish-American, he's a fellow survivor of AIDS, cancer and pneumocystis, and as luck would have it, we're both having a particularly bad year. I went to see him yesterday because he called me to make sure *I* was okay. He had become suicidal while I was back East (In R.I., upstate New York, New England and Montreal, in late August and early September), probably due to his being on Interleukin-2 or -4 (you may know already, but the interleukin family of "drugs" -- I think they're steroids, possibly made by the liver (I should know this!), and they've been in experimental use for some time to try to boost the immune system). I didn't learn about Greg's becoming suicidal until I got back from our trip. Anyway, as I said, he'd called to make sure *I* was okay, and then when I asked if *he* was okay, he started crying. He was in pain, and he was out of pain medication. I took the next bus to his house (I have extra pain medication - -- I don't use all that I get) and gave him some of mine. He remarked, when he first opened the door "Oh, you have a purple shirt on -- [are you]thinking of changes?" I laughed. I'm *always* wearing green and/or purple -- I have to force myself to wear other colors. But Greg was an interior designer for many years before he got too sick (he's 51 or 52 now), and he told me that when a client wanted to paint the walls purple or, say, wanted a purple sofa, he always tried to get out of the job -- people who like purple, he said, always changed their minds a hundred times and drove him crazy. :-). But he said it was also a deeply spiritual color. Green, of course, means a link to nature -- it has other meanings, but I can't think of them right now. So, in addition to all the other things Greg and I have in common, he went nuts (crazy) about a month or so ago, and I'm there (i.e., also crazy) now. My stubborn will, and my sense of humor, keep me in control. But my glass of water is very full; and "President" Bush (I use quotation marks because he wasn't legitimately elected) is hell-bent on waging a war with Iraq at all costs, the bombing in Bali took a horrible toll on people from all over the world but particularly Australians, there is a *truly* crazy person near Washington, DC shooting people for sport -- all of these things make me feel like someone is trying to put *more* water in my glass -- but then I realize that these things I just mentioned are water in *everyone's* glasses, not just mine (an egotist always thinks of himself first :-]). And there are people with much worse woes than mine -- I'm not starving, no one I know has been blown up (yet), and although I have AIDS, I live in a place where medications are readily available (unlike most of Africa, and many parts of Asia). <> Excellent advice, Alvaro. I sometimes lose sight of the big picture. I know I've been lucky/blessed in life in many ways, but lately, as I told Greg yesterday, through tears, lately I've felt like screaming at the universe "Okay, *enough* now, I *get* it, I don't *deserve* this, it isn't ***funny*** anymore [this last part was a joke]!" Selfish as always. Greg, who could understand my rage better than perhaps anyone else i know, nodded and sensibly gave me the name of his therapist. :-). Whom I intend to call. The most surprising part of our visit was Greg's telling me that I was his role model. What??? Me??? I'm barely sane now, so it particlarly surprised me. But he said that I'd gone through all the same things that he had without ever becoming a drug addict, and without several breakdowns; and I can find the humor in even the most bleak situations. Okay, well, he's right on those counts. But the real joke is, I have always considered *him* a role model. Alvaro (and Alberto -- I'll answer your most recent letter later today, or soon), thanks for your serene and apt advice. Big bear hug from Big Walt, and love to both of you, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:00:32 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Was Re: Joni on the music biz ...Now Nonesuch On 17 Oct 2002 at 1:49, Tom Rodwell wrote: > > I really doubt if Joni is isolated from new music (her decision to go > with Nonesuch shows that - deeply cool label), and On 15 Oct 2002 at 8:25, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > < will release her new album, "Travelogue" in November. >> > > Thanks for sharing this article, Bryan...I take it as a VERY GOOD > sign, and have said that it's something that Joni should have done a > long time ago. Here's hoping that her marketing strategies change for > the better! Also encouraged that it sounds like there's much more to > come from her...dare I say it? New songs! There - I said it! ;~) > and On 15 Oct 2002 at 3:23, BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Interesting that a new deal with the new label was signed, apparently, > at the last minute, just before the new CD release. I guess the artist > decided this will not be the swan song and wanted to sign on for > multiple releases (my hunch is a total of three on the new contract) > and that the powers-that-be at Warner/AOL nudged (or forced) her over > to the more boutiquish, less commercial Nonesuch label (which has an > impressive lineup of artists but is decidedly less mainstream than > Reprise). I suppose the facts around all this will come to light soon > enough (if it matters; I am curious at least). > This is just my opinion (I'm working on getting the background story), but I don't think Joni's move to Nonesuch is so much an artistic choice as it is a financial and marketing one. First of all, it's not an independent - it's owned by Warner Music. And that means that her new record will be in the same hands as her catalog - WEA Distribution. That is where everyone involved gets the big bang - using new releases to promote the catalog. If Nonesuch was not a WEA distributed label, I don't think she would be there. Tom Whalley, the chairman of Warner/Reprise has been nothing but clear since he arrived last year about rejuvenating those labels as pop labels and increasing market share. He came from Interscope - a big spend, big sales kind of label. Joni's new music doesn't fit that plan. Nonesuch works mostly because the marketing spend will be lower, a smaller staff will be used to get the record out and costs will be appropriate for the level of sales. Brenda n.p.: Sly & the Family Stone- "Fun" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:18:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper (njc) brenda >>But I think it is a good thing because it puts artist expectations in-line with reality instead of expecting to sell 2 million records, they accept that there audience is actually 15,000.<<< yes, a very good thing...for diversity, creativity, etc...in my mind this will help to put the music back into the music biz rather than the need to market a 'personality' that is about music in some way maybe sorta kinda a little...;~) brenda >>With all the activity that is being initiated and pushed by artists themselves as opposed to their managers or unions, it is an exciting time and I find it remarkably that she is absent from the scene.<< good points from both you & debra, i wonder if she has been asked to participate in any activities ... heck just championing music education in the schools would be a good place to start... putting instruments in the hands of kids might make them less likely to be doing the mtv crotch dance...lol... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:08:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper (njc) <> That would be cool...after all the championing she's done for Mr. Kratzman and the impact he had on her, imagine all the budding writers SHE could impact! Of course, she wouldn't be able to smoke in the schools so no deal. ;~) Bob NP: Kim Richey, "The Circus Song (Can't Let Go)" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:10:46 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... >I'm loving that Ben Folds CD. I'm waiting patiently by the mailbox for mine to arrive. After hitting the local Best Buy, and they didn't have any, I just ordered it online. Ben is one of very few contemporary artists that I have just fallen in love with - my son turned me onto him, and he thinks I ordered the CD for him. Ha! I might let him listen to it. >his cover of "Tiny Dancer" is superb. Lots of similarities between him & >Sir Elton anyway. I have heard this comparison made before, and I just don't get it. The first person that popped into my head upon hearing Ben Folds Five was Randy Newman. That sardonic smart ass wit combined with heart rending poignancy - nothing like Sir Elton, except that he plays the piano. >the Tom Petty really blows. Well, different strokes I guess. I got the Petty CD, and I kinda like it, although I've never been a big fan. I'm even gonna spring for concert tickets - of course, that's really because Jackson Browne is the opening act- but I'm looking forward to the show. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:16:44 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: RE: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper (njc) (My posts have been riddled with typos...please forgive me!!) On 16 Oct 2002 at 14:18, Kate Bennett wrote: > brenda >>But I think it is a good thing because it puts artist > expectations in-line with reality instead of expecting to sell 2 > million records, they accept that there audience is actually > 15,000.<<< > > yes, a very good thing...for diversity, creativity, etc...in my mind > this will help to put the music back into the music biz rather than > the need to market a 'personality' that is about music in some way > maybe sorta kinda a little...;~) > Well, but this isn't going away any time soon....today's Justin Timberlake was yesterday's Fabian. Popular music, generally is and has been more about personality than it is about music. The vast majority of the 24 million+ music buyers here in the U.S. are not serious music listeners or collectors. They are like our friends and family who wonder how we could possibly want to spend so much time thinking, reading or writing about Joni! Personally, I think there is a lot of diversity and creativity right now but you have to be willing to look for it. Most people just aren't that interested. > > good points from both you & debra, i wonder if she has been asked to > participate in any activities ... heck just championing music > education in the schools would be a good place to start... putting > instruments in the hands of kids might make them less likely to be > doing the mtv crotch dance...lol... LOL is right!! Good one! B Sly - "Hot Fun in the Summertime" - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:33:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: nonesuch http://www.nonesuch.com i can't find joni anywhere on this site..i did a search...nonesuch person is there! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:18:53 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: nonesuch On 16 Oct 2002 at 14:33, Kate Bennett wrote: > http://www.nonesuch.com > > i can't find joni anywhere on this site..i did a search...nonesuch > person is there! > From the home page, click on Popular Music. She's the first title listed. B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:21:06 -0400 From: "Yael" Subject: travelogue and other snippets (SJC) hi all- i went and looked at nonesuch's website... and i don't mind the cover, but it does seem like treading some old ground. did anyone else notice that "for the roses" clocks in at 7:28!? i mean, i know orchestral versions tend to be long and drawn out, but i can't imagine a tight little piece like 'for the roses' almost doubled... i'm looking forward to hearing this album... but, and i know lots of people agree and lots of others disagree, i don't have high hopes for liking it. i'm keeping an open mind though! in other upcoming-release-land, is anyone besides myself excited about the new tori album coming out in 2 weeks?! i have heard snippets from all the songs and a few sound like they're going to be GREAT. and how cool is it that bob and brenda were both listening to aimee mann! i love her. (i especially love the song 'i should've known', brenda). how sad am i that she isn't playing detroit. but i'd be more sad if she were because i'll be in LA while she's in the midwest. ah the irony. speaking of, aimee was listed to play in the Vanity Fair benefit at the Wiltern in LA on nov 5 along with neil finn and lucinda williams, etc. does anyone know if aimee is still playing that show? she doesn't appear to be listed there anymore... (and is anyone going? can anyone score tickets?! anyone want to pick me up from calabasas and drop me off again after the concert? i didn't think so...) hugs, yael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:21:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... <> I'll buy the Newman comparison, I guess I'm just thinking about the energy level that he pours into his performances. Randy just doesn't pound those rhythms out like Ben & Elton. Plus...listen to Folds' "Zak & Sara" & then listen to Elton's "Teacher I Need You" and you'll see my point. Ultimately, Ben's his own thing which is what makes him so cool. And to hear him "conduct" the audience to become the human horn section for "Army" is one of the musical highlights of the year for me. It's GOT to be very rewarding to know that your songs have been so fully absorbed by the audience... <> And I'll bet it rocks! Petty's band is rock solid, and he has so much back catalogue that it's guaranteed to be great, and to see Jackson as well is icing on the cake! Bob, who's seeing Victor perform tonight in G-ville! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:41:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni on the music biz and it going in the crapper (njc) brenda >>Personally, I think there is a lot of diversity and creativity right now but you have to be willing to look for it. Most people just aren't that interested.<< i agree & attribute much of this to the rise of indie musicians & smaller labels...but you are right, there isn't the huge marketing budget so folks have to go looking...i love this list for that...so many great recommendations i never would have know about otherwise... bob>>after all the championing she's done for Mr. Kratzman and the impact he had on her, imagine all the budding writers SHE could impact! Of course, she wouldn't be able to smoke in the schools so no deal. ;~)<< lol bob, forgot about that one little hitch... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:31:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... Ooh, I'm gonna have to get this CD. Rockin' the Suburbs is one of the best things I've heard in years. Another obvious comparison - to me Zak and Sara brings to mind Scenes from an Italian Restaurant. And Ben's rare gift for melody also reminds me of Billy Joel. And throughout Rockin' the Suburbs he references musical styles from the 70s and 80s - music I loved and grew up on. I just love this disc. And the song Rockin' the Suburbs - talk about dissing popular music. So hilarious. Jenny Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote:> I'll buy the Newman comparison, I guess I'm just thinking about the energy level that he pours into his performances. Randy just doesn't pound those rhythms out like Ben & Elton. Plus...listen to Folds' "Zak & Sara" & then listen to Elton's "Teacher I Need You" and you'll see my point. Ultimately, Ben's his own thing which is what makes him so cool. And to hear him "conduct" the audience to become the human horn section for "Army" is one of the musical highlights of the year for me. It's GOT to be very rewarding to know that your songs have been so fully absorbed by the audience... > And I'll bet it rocks! Petty's band is rock solid, and he has so much back catalogue that it's guaranteed to be great, and to see Jackson as well is icing on the cake! Bob, who's seeing Victor perform tonight in G-ville! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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It > contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, > lyrics and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at > http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, > archives, and much more. > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Today's Library Links: October 16 > [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Release Dates: COURT And Spark, MILES Of > Aisles [simon@icu.com] > Pop Idle/American Ideal/ Canadian idyl > [Gordon Mackie RE: hold the phone! NJC > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > NJC > [colin ] > A Night w/ Bruce Springsteen NJC > [RoseMJoy@aol.com] > Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper ["Tom Rodwell" NJC Re: joni mention in usa today > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Nonesuch question > [Engwall57@aol.com] > Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #424 - Joni at > supermarket [Engwall57@aol.com] > Re: Nonesuch question ["Reuben > Bell" ] > Re: Nonesuch question [Jerry Notaro > ] > Re: Nonesuch question > [Les Irvin ] > Re: Nonesuch question > ["Brenda" ] > Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #428 - "Getting Out > More" NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] > Joni's Travelogue cover art [Steve Polifka > ] > We're My Thrill ["J.David > Sapp" ] > NJC getting on > [colin ] > Re: We're My Thrill - njc > [Murphycopy@aol.com] > Bali, NJC ["Laurent > Olszer" ] > Teach Your Children, NJC ["Laurent > Olszer" ] > Re: We're My Thrill > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: Joni's Travelogue cover art > [Murphycopy@aol.com] > Please help me get off this list ["Paul > Read" Re: We're My Thrill ["J.David > Sapp" ] > Re: Bali, NJC ["Lavieri, Vince > [185776]" ] > Re: NJC getting on ["Erica > Trudelle" ] > Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper/britney rant ["blon] > Mother Hips ["Erica > Trudelle" ] > Re: Bali, NJC ["Laurent > Olszer" ] > Mother Hips (NJC) ["Erica > Trudelle" ] > Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper (njc) ["Kate Bennet] > Re: Teach Your Children, NJC (and let your > children teach you!) [Bob.Mull] > Re: Reuters message boards reactions ["Mark > or Travis" Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper [dsk NJC Re: Please help me get off this list > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Ryan Adams [David > Sadowski ] > RE: Please help me get off this list > ["Christopher Treacy" Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper ["blonde in the ble] > Re: Reuters message boards reactions > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: Reuters message boards reactions ["Mark > or Travis" NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... > [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Re: Joni on the music biz and it going in the > crapper [dsk Re: Joni's Travelogue cover art > [FMYFL@aol.com] > Re: NJC Re: Please help me get off this list > [Mags N Brei > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:06:42 -0400 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today's Library Links: October 16 > > On October 16 the following items were > published: > > 1985: "Joni Mitchell Takes Up Topicality" - New > York Times > (Review - Album) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/851016nyt.cfm > > 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Patriot Ledger > (Review - Album) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981016pl.cfm > > 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Dayton Daily News > (Review - Album) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981016ddn.cfm > > 2001: "Mitchell, Atwood will see stars " - > Toronto Sun > (News Item) > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/011016ts.cfm > > > - -------- > Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:17:09 -0400 > From: simon@icu.com > Subject: Release Dates: COURT And Spark, MILES > Of Aisles > > Chihuahua50@aol.com writes > > ----- > > For some reason I have this idea that I > gave someone a copy of > > Miles of Aisles as a Christmas present > before Court and Spark > > was released. But according to > jonimitchell.com Miles of Aisles > > as released after Court and Spark. The date > on both cds is 1974. > > Does anyone know the months they were > released. > > ----- > > > > COURT AND SPARK was released in January 1974 > and debuted on Billboard's > Popular Albums charts on February 9, 1974. The > album peaked at #2, > spent 64 weeks on the charts and eventually > went double platinum. > > BTW: there was an earlier little taste when > Asylum records released > the 'No Sax' version of "Raised On > Robbery" on a Promo LP sent > to radio broadcasters "Elektra/Asylum > Fall 1973 Releases" > (EK-Promo-22). > > > > MILES OF AISLES was released in November 1974 > and debuted on Billboard's > Popular Album charts on December 14, 1974. > This album also peaked at #2, > and spent 22 weeks on the charts; not too > shabby for a Live LP. > MOA is a certified gold album. > > > > > for now ~ take care, > - ------- > simon > === message truncated === Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:44:28 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Nonesuch question In a message dated 16/10/2002 17:15:01 GMT Daylight Time, Engwall57@aol.com writes: << What other musicians record, or have recorded, on the Nonesuch label? In addition to those already mentioned, let's not forget the wonderful Robin Holcomb - and Bill Frisell, one of my favourite guitarists. Azeem in London NP: Beth Orton (with Ryan Adams) - Concrete Sky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:50:41 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: NJC NP: New Ben Folds Live CD.... Bob opines: >I'll buy the Newman comparison.... Randy just doesn't pound those rhythms >out like Ben & Elton. This brought a smile to my face - I saw Randy Newman probably 10-15 years ago - solo show, small intimate type theater. And you are absolutely correct - one of the most laid back performers I've ever seen. Absolutely hilarious and delightful and thoroughly professional, but he definitely doesn't expend any unnecessary energy. Of course, I'm a big fan, so whatever he chose to do was fine with me. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re:JMDL Digest V2002 #424 - Joni at supermarket Ruth wrote: I have heard a lot of C&S - Just Like This Train, Twisted, maybe even Trouble Child. Lately I can't leave my supermarket without hearing Joni - when did Jewel Foods get soo hip!? They play Car On a Hill, Raised on Robbery and all that you mentioned above... and I might add I sing right along. I am officially one of those nuts who sings outloud on the street & in stores. And I toss in snapping fingers for good measure. Nobody ever bothers me! Ahh - Joni has given me such freedom! Peace, Susan Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:09:11 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Teach Your Children, NJC I would agree with Bob's advice. Be open to what they're listening to as well. My 18 year old son has turned me on to a lot of what he lisens to because I'm receptive, and I actually like some of it. Conversely he is more open to listening to what I like - consequently, he thinks Neil Young is THE MAN, and I have to keep retrieving my Joni CDs from his room! I even found a Cat Stevens album on the turntable one day - good heavens, the apocalypse may be near. As for the younger ones, I have a 12 year old daughter and she went through the boy band phase - so did I at that age, it's just that the boy band back then was the Beatles. I remember how crazed I was, so I tried to not belittle her taste too much - I even bought her the CDs and listened to them with her. Fortunately, she is over that now, and is moving on to rap metal . But, the point is that I see a growing sophistication and I'm sure her older brother is no small influence there - and hopefully I can influence her a little as well. She still groans loudly and rolls her eyes whenever I play Joni, but she admitted to me one day that the song "A Case of You" is not so bad and she "kinda" likes it. Well, there's my free advice - worth just what it costs. Sybil NPIMH: Complicated....Avril Lavigne,my daughter's latest infatuation, irresistably catchy tune- oh, the things we parents go through _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:07:28 +0200 From: Christoffer Gudi Sommer-Gleerup Subject: New Orleans, here I come! NJC Hi everybody! So I think it's about time that I tell you about the latest HUGE thing that's happened in my life! Which I didn't realize till last night really... I've actually hooked up with THE Michael Paz and THE Jack Neilson in New Orleans where I'll be working with them and others musicians to eventually do a demo to present to a record company. And of course I'm planning on having the time of my life here! I promise you, these guys are just crazy (many of you probably already know that)! Last night they picked me up in Jack's limo (didn't do that since graduating from high school), we went to "House of Blues" where a local band was playing (people were out kicking and dancing on the floor) and we went to this "opium room" with Buddah himself watching us! We met up with a musician called Beth Patterson and her manager to talk about a gig we might do this friday warming up for "The Dudes". Jack says, they're awesome, don't know them myself. I guess, there's also a slight chance of me performing at Michael Jordan's private party! I'm in a state of inreality right now...or maybe this is just Paz' life? I'm amazed at how many connections he has. With a snap of his fingers he got me this super cool room in the most incredible house for a ridiculously cheap rent. Anyway, this experience forces me to abstract from the Danish unwritten law called the "Jantelov" which tells you that you shouldn't think you're anything special. Michael and Jack do make me feel pretty spay-shul... Christina, feeling even more grateful for having gone to the Jonifest... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:15:18 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: re: New Radicals - njc Bob wrote: "she commented that she enjoyed the New Radicals CD, which I thought was cool as I had just discovered it around the same time." I think it's really good too. Really just one guy, Greg Alexander. Anyone know what happened to him since? And for Ryan Adams, IMHO I've thought his work with Whiskeytown was better than his solo stuff. Though I sorta enjoyed Heartbreaker -- better than Gold. Gold just seemed so generic 70s-rock-derivative to me. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:24:38 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: New Orleans, here I come! NJC In a message dated 10/16/02 7:08:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christi@dsr.kvl.dk writes: > we went to "House of Blues" where a local band > was playing (people were out kicking and dancing on the floor) and we went > to > this "opium room" with Buddah himself watching us! We met up with a > musician > called Beth Patterson and her manager Congratulations Christina!!!! Oh the "House of Blues" and the opium room brings back some great memories from PazFest..................and Beth Patterson is FANTASTIC!!! Yes this is Paz's life, so enjoy the ride with him and Jack. I'm sure you'll do great............you have so much talent. Please keep us posted on how the gig goes. Oh and get Michael Jordan's autograph on your sneakers. You can sell it on ebay and make a fortune :~) Good Luck, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:26:49 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: re: New Radicals - njc On 16 Oct 2002 at 19:15, Bruce Kimerer wrote: > Bob wrote: > "she commented that she enjoyed the New Radicals CD, which I > thought was cool as I had just discovered it around the same time." > > I think it's really good too. Really just one guy, Greg Alexander. > Anyone know what happened to him since? > He has been producing - Geri Haliwell, Abra Moore, Carly Hennessey (of the famed WSJ story on hype), and the like. B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:31:18 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Teach Your Children, NJC On 16 Oct 2002 at 17:09, Sybil Skelton wrote: > As for the younger ones, I have a 12 year old daughter and she went > through the boy band phase - so did I at that age, it's just that the > boy band back then was the Beatles. I remember how crazed I was, so I > tried to not belittle her taste too much - I even bought her the CDs > and listened to them with her. Fortunately, she is over that now, and > is moving on to rap metal . Linkin Park's Reanimation is pretty good and far more interesting than their debut, Hybrid Theory. B - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:37:39 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: nonesuch > On 16 Oct 2002 at 14:33, Kate Bennett wrote: > > > http://www.nonesuch.com > > > > i can't find joni anywhere on this site..i did a search...nonesuch > > person is there! > > > > From the home page, click on Popular Music. She's the first title listed. > > B I found her by going to 'New Releases' on the bar on the left and from there clicking on 'Upcoming Releases' in the upper right corner of that layout. As far as the cover goes, I like what I can see of it. It's really hard to tell what the entire package is going to be like until we get it in our hot little hands, now isn't it? But from what I can see, this portrait looks to me like she's looking out of a window - maybe the window of a ferry or a car or a pontoon plane or a taxi or a train. I love the fact that half or the face is in shadow. I suppose if that is cigarette smoke we can rule out the pontoon plane, though. ;-) It also makes me think of Edward Hopper as others of Joni's paintings have. At any rate, there seems to be a marvelous rendering of depth and dimension that some have complained about there being a lack of in Joni's painting. She looks like she could open her mouth and speak to you at any moment. The shadow also gives the portrait a mysterious quality. And maybe this is a portrayal of her duality, shadows and light, both sides now, yin and yang what with the face being partially in shadow and partially in the light, eh? Or maybe it's emerging from the shadow? Mark E in Seattle not an art critic but 'I know what I like' (and it just might go with that sofa too - I said get down off of there!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #430 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)