From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #423 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 13 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 423 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- roberto's birthday! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: roberto's birthday! ["kakki" ] [none] ["William Chavez" ] Happy Birthday Roberto! [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] [none] ["William Chavez" ] Re: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . [SCJ] My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . NJC [MGVal] bonne fete Roberto [Mags N Brei ] re: powering up the "electricity" thread [Susan Guzzi ] Re: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . [Je] Re: NJC Timothy White Concert/Boston [Michael Paz ] Fw: help njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: powering up the "electricity" thread -- njc [Susan Guzzi Subject: roberto's birthday! happy birthday to a very talented guy! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:55:28 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: roberto's birthday! Happy Birthday dear Roberto! I hope you celebrate all week and then some! Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 04:35:39 -0400 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] I think that STAS is an increadible way to start a musical career. I think that listening to this album you can almost expect that whatever is coming behind it is going to be great!!! I will say that I thought and still think that STAS is a better album than CLOUDS. This is one of the few times where I thought Joni took a step back. This does NOT mean that I don't like CLOUDS! I like it very much but it is my least favorite of her first four albums on Reprise. "Cactus Tree" is an increadible closing song. I can't believe she did not include it in Hits/Misses. Joni stated a few years ago(before the Hits and Misses) that she was working on a box set of really rare stuff (outtakes and demo,etc....) Did she decide against this project? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:04:45 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Happy Birthday Roberto! Yay! Happy Birthday Roberto. Hope you have a great day. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 05:06:56 -0400 From: "William Chavez" Subject: [none] I like Carly and she does have a good vocal range but I don't think her lower register always works in her favor. There have been times when she has tried odd melody lines that go from high to low really abruptly but it doesn't work in my opinion. It works fine for Joni though. Joni is one of the few that I can hear go from high to low and not cringe. It's a shame that her smoking has eroded most of her ability to do that now. Now she just explores her lower and middle register and rarely tries to go high. WorkingWilly _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:35:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . **This year, give them the gift of PazFest . . . and save them from themselves! ** LOL! Loved this line, Bob...NOW you know why we were beating Michael about the head & shoulders to put this stuff out there! Wish you would have been there when we heard it in N.O. I can already tell you that Pazfest will make MY top ten list for 2002! Bob NP: Bryan Thomas, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:17:19 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . NJC B'Smurph rather ambiguously wrote: > Just go to www.jmdl.com and check out how easy it is to order PazFest for > everyone on your gift list. > > Nice plug but did you like it? (:-^ MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: bonne fete Roberto Cher Roberto, oh kind and generous soul ... Let me join in with the chorus of October babes to wish you a most warm, loving and wondrous birthday. bonne fete a toi!!!! October's child is so special. much love from your Canadian friends in ESC (extremely southern canada) MagsnBrei xoxoxoxoxoo . LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk wrote:Yay! Happy Birthday Roberto. Hope you have a great day. Les (London) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 06:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: re: powering up the "electricity" thread >Mia wrote: > Disclaimer: The following is pure speculation on my part. > > As a child, I was forced to listen to John Denver because my father was an > obsessed fan (what's that?). I have NO idea what that means - obsessed fan?! ;-P I used to think whoever wrote "The Wedding Song" copied the melody from Denver's "Rhymes and Reasons". It wasn't until I discovered Joni Mitchell some years later that I realized "Cactus Tree" also has similar melody. "Cactus Tree" was written a year before "Rhymes and Reasons". Coincidence? Time of Man? Or did Denver think he could get away with this, thinking Joni as a woman would never make it bigtime? Shame on me for thinking this. After looking at the lyrics again, I now think he wrote this song for Joni. > > 'So you speak to me of sadness and the coming of the winter' - (Joni's early work was indeed sad and many songs were about the winter like "Urge for Going", "Winter Lady", etc..) 'Fear that is within you now that seems to never end' - (Joni's 'fear is > like a wilderland' from "I Think I Understand") > > 'And the dreams that have escaped you' - (Joni's 'my dreams with the > seagulls fly out of reach, out of cry' > 'Though the cities start to crumble and the towers fall around us' -(Joni's > 'But sand castles crumble') > WOW, Mia, not knowing Denver like you do, I can see your point! > I've noticed other similarities in Denver's early works like "Sunshine On My Shoulders" - the melody for these particular title lyrics go up and down > like Joni's 'with sun on my shoulders'. Also with Denver's "Eagle and the Hawk" 'and all who believe in me share in the freedom I feel when I fly' compared to Joni's 'share in the freedom of all flying things'. There are others, but this is just from the top of my head. > I have on occasion noticed other artists, and I have no example right here and now, who use a phrasing or alter a Joni term in their songs. Although I do see a lot of Joni in Shawn Colvin, whom I love! I do not have a problem, ethically with this. BUt pure copy or imitation attempts, turn me off! > Phoebe Snow's "Poetry Man" makes me think of Joni's "He Comes For > Conversation". > I love Phoebe and she is not mentioned here enough. I do see the influence between Conversation and Poetry Man - somewhat. And as with RLJ and Joni there appears, due to age to be about an 8 year lapse between Joni and the younger artist. I think the time is important in this analysis,becasue of ages of the artists and the era. > Fleetwood Mac's "Tell Me Lies" makes me think of Joni's "The Last Time I Saw > Richard". > Not sure about this one above however. > I've also heard similarities in Heart and Steven Tyler's work, but the songs > escape my memory right now. > > What about the reverse? Can anyone think of any songs Joni has written that might parallel an earlier song by another artist? > Hmm this will take some research and much further analysis. As far as artists period, I would think, Dylan & Cohen. But I don't have any direct examples in song. Since the singer songwriter doesn't have that long of a history, I can't think of many who came before and how they may have influenced the group that came to be in the late 60'sthrough much of the 70's. This group may truly have been spawned by the whole Greenwhich Village, Chelsea, and bohemian scene. Coming more so from the poet side than from the music. So they appear to me, to be the prototype of this genre. Thanks for the analysis Mia. I wil be thinking and listening much closer now. And no need for any disclaimer! Peace, Susan > > NP: Eva Cassidy - People Get Ready > > > > _______________ Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:49:39 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: powering up the "electricity" threadnjc I just saw a biopic of Denver. I have never liked male singers. however, I did enjoy the songs he sang on this film. It turns out John has about 6 of his albums! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:42:59 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: powering up the "electricity" thread <> <> The women in these 2 songs both love to be told "pretty"/"sweet little" "lies". Don't we all? :) Mia NP: Grovur - "perspective #4 (the things they often ask and wish for, i think)" _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:10:14 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . Bob writes: > Wish you would have been > there when we heard it in N.O. I have always regretted missing PazFest, but I have the best excuse . . . I had tickets to see Joni in Boston that weekend! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:14:14 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . NJC MG writes: > Nice plug but did you like it? (:-^ I LOVED IT. And I like it even more now that it has brought you out of lurkdom, MG! How the hell are you? - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:17:35 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: powering up the "electricity" thread -- njc Susan writes: > BUt pure copy or imitation attempts, turn me off! EVEN WHEN IT'S ETHEL??? - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:28:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . **I have always regretted missing PazFest, but I have the best excuse . . . I had tickets to see Joni in Boston that weekend!** Ah yes, I remember that now! OK, jury says good excuse! But still...you missed a helluva time! Bob NP: Tom Petty, "dreamville" (from his new 'I hate the music business' record) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:01:14 -0400 From: vince Subject: NJC MG content MGVal@aol.com wrote: > > Nice plug but did you like it? (:-^ > > MG It is far too seldom we see something MG has posted! MG, do you know that some of us have serious MG withdrawal symptoms because of your lurking? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . For some strange reason I am NOT having an easy time ordering Pazfest. The first check I sent was lost in the mail. I finally sent another one last Saturday and it was returned to me yesterday - no postmark or anything. So, I'll keep trying Paz!! Jenny Murphycopy@aol.com wrote:MY GAWD ! ! ! Ever wish you could explain your Joni obsession to friends, lovers, neighbors, and the occasional, troublesome homocide detective with a bad raincoat and haircut? Well, here's great news! MY GAWD ! ! ! This 2-CD set has nothing but Joni content. Dreams and schemes and coffee percolators and pachyderms and catapiller tractors and beautiful foolish arms. How can you resist? Fall in. Given the variety of the performers and the level of their performances, this is the Joni gift that just keeps on giving everyone on your holiday gift list more reasons to love Joni. MY GAWD . . . THERE'S MORE? What's more, every PazFest CD you buy benefits the constuction of the new Ruth Paz burns center. This means that, for the first time, children in Honduras will get the all-important 'pre-treatment' they need for their burns. Basically, what we all take for granted in other parts of the world -- quick treatment for children who have been burned -- doesn't exist in Honduras. Buy this PazFest CD and you'll help change that. But back to the PazFest CD . . . MY GAWD ! ! ! I didn't know I LIKED JONI MITCHELL THAT MUCH ! ! ! I don't want to mention any names but BRYAN THOMAS just leaked out! MY GAWD, how can a man own one of Joni's most personal and confessional songs ("Little Green") and make it his own? And you know, there's lots, lots more! MY GAWD ! ! ! I'll stop there, even though I am hearing other incredible stuff from these CDs right now. This PazFest 2-CD set is a remarkable thing for any Joni lover to own. The performances are ALL great, and it's a great way to finally clue people in to what you've been talking about all these years. MY GAWD, SANTA ! ! ! This holiday season, what are you planning to give all those people you've been trying to save from lives of quiet desperation? Socks? Lottery scratch tickets? McDonald's gift certificates? Hell, no. This year, give them the gift of PazFest . . . and save them from themselves! MY GAWD ! ! ! IT'S SO EASY ! ! ! Just go to www.jmdl.com and check out how easy it is to order PazFest for everyone on your gift list. They need it. XO, - --Bob Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:11:37 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Timothy White Concert/Boston Yo Chuckster Thanks for the great report. I would have given a bunch to see Sting and JT do that. And to hear Andy Summers play with Sting again must have been a real treat. Is this thing gonna be on the idiot box for the rest of us? BTW it is just comforting to me to find out Sting is ACTUALLY human and is capable of raw emotion like that. He is usually so calculated in his moves. Best Paz P.S. McCartney is playing tonight here in NO and I am sitting on pins and needles hoping someone can get me tickets for this show. They only have $270 seats left. Please will the gods smile on me today so I can take the family to rock out tonight??? on 10/8/02 7:14 AM, Chuck Eisenhardt at chuck@chucke.net wrote: > Fleet Center, Boston > > Well, this was one amazing concert. After all the various lineup reports > and the confusion arising over who was appearing in Boston, and who was > to appear tonight in NYC, the Boston roster turned out to be Roger Waters, > Sheryl Crow, James Taylor, Billy Joel, Don Henley, Sting, and Mellencamp. > > Buffet and Brian Wilson are also slated to appear tonight in MSG. > > The house band was Danny Kortchmar, Waddy Wachtel, Willie Weeks and > Steve Jordan (directing). They backed everyone except Henley and > Mellencamp, who brought their own bands. > > Roger Waters opened with 'Comfortably Numb' (with Henley) and 'Wish > You Were Here', and a new song 'Flickering Flame' about Native Americans. > > Sheryl Crow offered 'If It Makes You Happy', 'Soak Up the Sun' and > "Steve McQueen'. She rocked. > > JT did 'Hound Dog', 'October Road', 'Mexico' and an amazing duet with > Sting on 'You Can Close You Eyes'... > > > > I really enjoyed Sting's set. He opened with 'Roxanne' He went to > 'Fields of Gold' in which he became obviously emotional and > stumbled a bit. That was really touching to me, because when you've > done a song 9,000 times between the studio and concerts, you tend to > lose the ability to connect with the words you wrote way back when. > This event and his obvious regard for Tim White overcame him > briefly. He closed with 'Faith'. Andy Somers played guitar, > along with Kortchmar. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:56:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: My, that PazFest 2-CD set would make a lovely holiday gift . . . **So, I'll keep trying Paz!!** Jenny, it might help to write "Michael Paz - Lord of Masculinity" on the envelope so the mailman doesn't get it confused with all the other Michael Paz's in N'awlins! :~) Mikey, good karma on those McCartney tix - hope it pans out! Bob NP: Tom Petty, "you and me" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:25:04 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc - Reagan/Bush dude on why war Interesting that the Bush administration is going after control of the oil. Not about terrorism or anything else. the oilmen are going after the oil. Note the quote: "Getting control of that oil," and thereby gaining sway with neighboring Saudi Arabia's oil production, "will make a vast difference (to the economy) in all sorts of things, but particularly the price of oil." This from a Reagan-Bush man briefed by this administration. http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news-4/1034417706248870.xml Seidman 'bullish' on war Saturday, October 12, 2002 By Joe Snapper The Grand Rapids Press Hours after Congress authorized President Bush to use force in Iraq, an economic adviser under four U.S. presidents told Grand Rapids business leaders Friday that going to war "is probably the most bullish thing I can think of." Former FDIC chairman Bill Seidman, who served during the Nixon, Ford, Reagan and the senior Bush administrations, said defeating Saddam Hussein and controlling Iraqi oil is "at least as important as eliminating weapons of mass destruction." Seidman, a chief commentator for CNBC, said the prevailing view that a war would prolong and even deepen a bear market is the "most misleading to the market today." "Oil prices fluctuating is a very large drag on the economy -- ours and the world's," said Seidman, 81. "If we are in Iraq, nobody can use oil as a weapon." Speaking to a crowd of 35 at the Peninsular Club, Seidman had just arrived from a State Department briefing in which the Bush administration outlined for the first time a post-Saddam power structure in Iraq. "I think probably the most bullish thing I can think of today is winning the war. We are planning to set up a MacArthur-like" government, said Seidman, referring to U.S. General Douglas MacArthur's temporary rule over Japan after its surrender in World War II. "Getting control of that oil," and thereby gaining sway with neighboring Saudi Arabia's oil production, "will make a vast difference (to the economy) in all sorts of things, but particularly the price of oil." "Having the two major oil producers not part of any radical Muslim or any other unfriendly government," he said after the speech, would be "a huge additional factor in the world's economy." Seidman said he was befuddled by popular warnings of a further economic slide in the event of war with Iraq. But he's not surprised the Bush administration isn't the one heralding a return to profitability by way of war. "I deny it, specifically, on behalf of the government," Seidman said, joking. Many who heard his comments said they weren't surprised. Bob Rector, a retired orthodontist from Muskegon, however, is wary of war. "We have young families. We think about that," he said. Louis Canfield, a research analyst in Grand Rapids, said the early days of an attack may be decisive for the economy. "Over the short run, you have the potential to have some instability," said Canfield, 24. "Now, how long that instability lasts depends on execution. During the first two weeks, if things look good for us on the ground, I think things will be just fine." In Seidman's speech -- sponsored by Grand Rapids-based RWB Capital Management, where he is a consultant -- the outspoken East Grand Rapids native also touched on corporate scandal, the accounting profession and investing. He labeled Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan "politically a devout coward" for pulling back from comments that might have exposed the stock market bubble sooner. But he blamed CPAs --"my own profession" -- for letting Enron and others go unchallenged for so long. Seidman, who lives in Florida, from 1989 to 1991 headed up the Resolution Trust Company, the federal entity that mopped up the savings and loan scandal of the 1980s. He oversaw the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation from 1985 to 1991. He has also been an executive in a Fortune 500 company; publishes Bank Director magazine; helped elevate what is now BDO Seidman to its national status; and is a director of Fiserv and U.S. Order, Inc. Seidman said he plans to stop at his New Mexico ranch before traveling to Japan next week. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:55:48 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Fw: help njc Hello everyone. Hope you all are well. Just a question and where better to ask it than here. In the flick "Set It Off" who is the artist singing when Cleo is gunned down by the cops? I love the sound and the tune. I bought a tape of it but it wasn't included. Thanks. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:37:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: powering up the "electricity" thread -- njc - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Susan writes: > > BUt pure copy or imitation attempts, turn me off! > > EVEN WHEN IT'S ETHEL??? > > --Bob Well no of course not Bob! And the simple truth is, well Ethel really turns me on!! There I said it and I am not ashamed. LOL! Imitating Ethel, is more of a tribute to the grand dame anyway. 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